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Just me venting about CM

Cyanogenmod, my what a terrible, terrible direction you have gone. Talk about fragmentation, most devices are lagging behind stock updates? What happened to latest and greatest before the official updates?
Im so butthurt

I think they have just bit off more than they can chew. By constantly adding devices, it seems the quality is going down dramatically and it is harder to keep all the devices up to date.

You think you have it bad? Just imagine how the people that wasted $600 dollars on the cyanogenmod version of the Oppo N1 feel. $600 for a phone that was suppose to be supported by cm and receive updates in a timely fashion, which is still stuck on 10.2 jellybean for its last stable release. And these guys claim they're going to be able to update the one plus one for two years? Ha, we'll see.

If any of you actually read the cm blog you'd know the reason.
http://www.cyanogenmod.org/blog/cyanogenmod-11-0-m6-release
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dethrat said:
If any of you actually read the cm blog you'd know the reason.
http://www.cyanogenmod.org/blog/cyanogenmod-11-0-m6-release
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That doesn't explain what's been stated here. Right or wrong, people here are saying dev is slow and buggy, and sometimes it doesn't exist. That's the case of Moto G CM11. Never saw a CM build so buggy after 6 months of developement.
Is Cyanogen obliged to provide us with fast, stable and beautiful builds? Of course not.
Is it true that when Cyanogen was "mod" and not "Inc" things where much better for the open source community, since they are now too busy keeping up with their first phone (retailing of the OnePlus One has been delayed twice and wasn't about hardware, thought)? I think the answer is yes.
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fermasia said:
That doesn't explain what's been stated here. Right or wrong, people here are saying dev is slow and buggy, and sometimes it doesn't exist. That's the case of Moto G CM11. Never saw a CM build so buggy after 6 months of developement.
Is Cyanogen obliged to provide us with fast, stable and beautiful builds? Of course not.
Is it true that when Cyanogen was "mod" and not "Inc" things where much better for the open source community, since they are now too busy keeping up with their first phone (retailing of the OnePlus One has been delayed twice and wasn't about hardware, thought)? I think the answer is yes.
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I'm not disagreeing with you. The People who are expecting builds labeled as stable are gonna be waiting for a long time.
A lot of the opens source community dispersed, moved to omnirom and/or other projects.
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dethrat said:
I'm not disagreeing with you. The People who are expecting builds labeled as stable are gonna be waiting for a long time.
A lot of the opens source community dispersed, moved to omnirom and/or other projects.
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Omnirom guys began as they moved away from the project when it became a profit company, that's true. But that's not the problem, actually, some guys from other pojects left open source and joined Cyanogen Inc. The problem is much more simple: things work differently when your goal is to make money. It's not a felony, course, but it's a "sin" in terms of opensource spirit, and now we are seen it's tangible results.
CM has lost it's soul, it's original purpose, so now things are being rushed and pushed, and the guys working on it's non-profitable branches, even when they are doing their best (and I do thank them for sharing they work with us in exchange of nothing... except for the private information that now CM collects from every user), it's not the same as it was before. Put the label you want on their builds... stable, M1, XGKT512, it doesn't matter, the result is slow, buggy and unstable, if you compare to what CM was until it's 10.2 version.

Maybe it would be great do have info about known issues updated: http://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/w/Known_Issues_page_for_falcon?setlang=en-gb. And less disappointment would arise.

You do realize that updates depend on the device maintainer, and if there isn't any then we won't get updates?

fermasia said:
Omnirom guys began as they moved away from the project when it became a profit company, that's true. But that's not the problem, actually, some guys from other pojects left open source and joined Cyanogen Inc. The problem is much more simple: things work differently when your goal is to make money. It's not a felony, course, but it's a "sin" in terms of opensource spirit, and now we are seen it's tangible results.
CM has lost it's soul, it's original purpose, so now things are being rushed and pushed, and the guys working on it's non-profitable branches, even when they are doing their best (and I do thank them for sharing they work with us in exchange of nothing... except for the private information that now CM collects from every user), it's not the same as it was before. Put the label you want on their builds... stable, M1, XGKT512, it doesn't matter, the result is slow, buggy and unstable, if you compare to what CM was until it's 10.2 version.
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That's the reason why when I got my current XT1033, I don't bothered to root and install custom roms! With Motorola still timely updating their software, that's no reason for custom roms. My previous phone Sony X8, I rooted and install various CM based roms, In my opinion, new functions/features were introduced for the sake of adding a long list of features in that roms without considering the stability and functionality issue, while at the same time more and more bugs were introduced. Many times the phone just don't worked when its matter most! Real frustrated but you can't complain because all are worked on their own freewill basis.

I have installed CM 10.2.1 on two Nooks because the Nook software, based on 4.0.4, is crap, IMO. I also have a 2013 Nexus 7 and my wife has a Moto X. I wouldn't dream of putting CM on either of those devices. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. YMMV.
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Lack of development

I have noticed there isn't a lot of development for our phone. Is the reason for this there is not a lot of devs interested in this phone, or are they all just waiting for MM to come out?
Don't get me wrong, I am thankful for the devs we do have, I guess I am just used to a larger selection of roms/kernels/apps.

I can't really say there is a lack of development per se. But then again I am coming from a g920a and the xda forums for that device are like a bad joke. But seriously we have Marshmallow already thanks to hackers; also a CM development thread and a debloated stock rom. We have a few kernels and I think development will hopefully heat up even further when stock marshmallow becomes official and also official CM support comes around, seeing as the majority of custom roms have at least some part of CM in them these days. I for one really hope a version of AOSPA gets released for this device eventually but then that will probably take a while as they haven't even started to work on MM yet it looks like. But really this phone is already amazing. I am running Marshmallow and doze along with amplify has dramatically improved the only problem I was having; the battery. I left my phone over night for a bit over 10 hours last night and it only lost 1%! And that was with WIFI bluetooth and location still running. I freaking love this phone, and I am confident that the development activity is still young and just getting started.

I'd imagine it'll pick up a decent amount more once we get MM. I doubt you'd see anything new before then...not really much of a point to spend a lot of time on anything just to start over in a week or two.

kclive said:
I have noticed there isn't a lot of development for our phone. Is the reason for this there is not a lot of devs interested in this phone, or are they all just waiting for MM to come out?
Don't get me wrong, I am thankful for the devs we do have, I guess I am just used to a larger selection of roms/kernels/apps.
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I agree with your concern, however, I know once mm comes it will pick up. The 6p being released didn't help things I'm sure. This is a great bootloader unlockable phone and I am along for the ride whatever it entails. That 6p isn't enough to make me jump yet. Still I keep checking stock in case I change my mind. Lol

I agree about this phone being amazing. I guess I am used to seeing my roms and kernels since I am coming from a nexus 6. I have no doubt there will be more development once MM drops.

Coming from one plus one, development is super slow with MXP. Pretty much all phones I've owned had decent development. All the Samsung devices has more development than MXP. I'm optimistic something great will come out in the future. Just surprised we don't have more developer's on this device.
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I agree, I thought there would be a little more dev, but I am happy with the phone and with the devs we do have. They all do great work.

Well. I already have working versions of CM-based ROMs such as LiquidSmooth. But, MM is what I am waiting for to release them. Plus, the AOSP source tree does not support building for MSM8992 platforms by default i.e. without additional patching for LP. But with MM that is fixed. Once, the blobs for MM are out (for XT1575), development should pick up pace with respect to AOSP-based ROMs as well.

PA (paranoid Android) for the X?

I saw on Android authority a few days ago that the PA team have finally released their own unique new source built MM ROM. Just curious if anyone is planning to or already working on it. I don't know how to dev, but I'm certainly a willing guinea pig if needed!
PA has been very innovative and unique in the past, and it'd be nice to see something else that's not just CM based with added features finally since the Kit Kat days.
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Check aicp thread

lafester said:
Check aicp thread
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For what? AICP is full of extras, unnecessary.
PA have a different approach, and a better one, is like stock android, but more refined.
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"Paranoid Android 2016 launch we are supporting popular Nexus devices (6P, 5X, 6, 5, 4, 7 2013, 9) and the OnePlus family (One, 2, X) along with some Sony devices. "
Sadly no plus for motoX

rresenden said:
For what? AICP is full of extras, unnecessary.
PA have a different approach, and a better one, is like stock android, but more refined.
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"Paranoid Android 2016 launch we are supporting popular Nexus devices (6P, 5X, 6, 5, 4, 7 2013, 9) and the OnePlus family (One, 2, X) along with some Sony devices. "
Sadly no plus for motoX
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Well, if you would have looked in the AICP thread like @lafester said, you would have seen this post. He was giving you your answer but you didn't even bother checking. Since you love paranoid android so much, maybe you should build it and share it with the community.

Lol

Mix developer support abandonment

I've got this feeling, after the sad goodbye of dear @pappschumpfl, that development support for this beloved and wonderful device is weaning and slowly but surely disappearing. Checking the development section for other xiaomi devices like redmi note 4 or mi6 you can see a lot more movement, discussion and activity.
Anyway, just makes me sad this feeling and I believe it is not only a feeling... With the coming of Mix 2 it will probably get worse. Or maybe with the Mix getting cheaper it will change for the better in the future? What are your thoughts on this people?
There is of course AICP and those guys work is fantastic! But they are mostly alone right now...

Im pretty sure he meant that its his final Nougat rom, as everyone building roms for any device has now moved on to Oreo, so Im guessing we will see more updates once the Oreo roms have been figured out...
As you can see there are a fair amount of roms for the Mi Mix.......
https://www.androidfilehost.com/?w=developers&did=2231

Ultraman666 said:
Im pretty sure he meant that its his final Nougat rom, as everyone building roms for any device has now moved on to Oreo, so Im guessing we will see more updates once the Oreo roms have been figured out...
As you can see there are a fair amount of roms for the Mi Mix.......
https://www.androidfilehost.com/?w=developers&did=2231
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Well none of them are maintaining their builds except for BitO, who's given us Multirom and a fantastic Kernel :victory:
As for Papps he got a Note 8 and I have no idea if he's gona be building an Oreo rom for lithium. He doesn't have to of course.
Anyway, maybe you are right

albertoduqe said:
Well none of them are maintaining their builds except for BitO, who's given us Multirom and a fantastic Kernel :victory:
As for Papps he got a Note 8 and I have no idea if he's gona be building an Oreo rom for lithium. He doesn't have to of course.
Anyway, maybe you are right
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I wouldn't say none of them are maintaining as I'm sure most are working on Oreo
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I think this was inevitable with the Mix being a niche device.
I hope we get Oreo eventually, but at least we have some ROMs that are stable.
Final RR is pretty damn good.

Mix was a high end device, high priced device and now it's an outdated device... basically a standard life for a chinese phone on XDA like this one... exemple is based on large sell device, redmi/mi5/mi6... not the same as ur Mix...
Sadly, i think like u... device will go to trash silently...

Also, around the forums we've seen various devs state that we'll see O
IMO, it would be OK just seeing security patches for what we already have.
I have a Nexus 6P and whilst us enthusiasts want the latest and greatest, honestly there isn't anything worth getting too excited about.

I think it will be maintained for awhile, the sort of people who bought the mix are the ones who like to mess and build ROMs (hoping), only time will tell. Let's face it there is nothing worth buying over this at the moment.

but of course, you can also learn how to build roms, etc.

shoeprano27 said:
but of course, you can also learn how to build roms, etc.
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This is a very good point.
For beginners, here is a step by step for LOS: https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/lithium/build

Its not out dated and won't be for a while yet - it is odd and requires an interest in making roms. I am sure there will be development for the roms, people are so down these days.

Nicolfa said:
Its not out dated and won't be for a while yet - it is odd and requires an interest in making roms. I am sure there will be development for the roms, people are so down these days.
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Couldn't agree more
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Ultraman666 said:
Couldn't agree more
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And like already mentioned, no point building anymore nougat ROMs and no Oreo build's

Oreo will come in time - people really need to learn to be more patient. It has some very good nougat roms already.

Every 15 days aprox you have a new updated build here https://download.lineageos.org/lithium
Lineage OS oficial is running for lithium.
I don't understand the tittle of the post.

Worst comes to worst Lineage will be released for our Mixs. If it comes down to it, I'll start developing a Rom.

VerucaSalt said:
This is a very good point.
For beginners, here is a step by step for LOS: https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/lithium/build
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Doesn't work using the cm-15 branch so far... Or I couldn't make it work anyway. Problem is in Mix sources though, not LOS source...

I think Paps might come back. I went to Note 8 but will be back on a new Mix tomorrow. Missing that beautiful 3 side non existent bezel.

I wrote this OP over two months ago and in this time, luckily Papps hasn't abandoned us completely (thanks!) and BitObsession has been providing awesome work and support, several builds, Multitom and a fantastic kernel (thanks!!!). Also AOSiP came and is being maintained I think, so good enough maybe. The guys behind AICP keep also their work (thanks too!).
What seems still so far away that it seems to me we might not see it is Oreo... Anybody with info on wether the good guys at Lineage are working on Oreo for Lithium??
It's of course ok if dev support stays as it is, and developers do what they want with their devices, but it would surely be nice to see our Mix being upgraded to the latest Android as the flagship it is.
Thanks everybody.

Community development strength

You're a power user. Can the Xiaomi Mi A2 Lite keep up? Rate this thread to express how "healthy" the development scene is for the Xiaomi Mi A2 Lite. A higher rating indicates available root methods, kernels, and custom ROMs.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

Just hoping for the TWRP to come up soon. And for LineageOS-like ROMs to show, too. Eager to try them out and unleash all the phone's potential.
Looking good, though

The phone is keeping up very good actually this is my first budget phone after a long time of using the galaxy series,note series and nexus 6p it is a tad slower at opening closing apps and the gpu is also weaker but it is surprisingly good at keeping them open in the background. The battery life is by far the best so far i ever had, around 8 hours of screen time of actively using the phone. I really hope the development for this phone starts up looking forward to testing roms and helping out in the future.

No custom roms or kernels for now but the Kernel Source is already here and there's already some guides about different tasks, so the developpement community promises to be active, in addition to Android One and the GSI roms!

TWRP official is coming. phh-treble will be updated for rounded corners soon. we'll be selling mi a2 lite with boot loader unlocked (which you can do yourself ofc) and a 2yr warranty that won't be void when you flash roms. we're working on sponsoring opengapps twrp and phh-treble and providing dev support / bug bounties.
let me know if you want anything else...like lineageos official, etc.

hope to see development for the phone in the near future

Official TWRP is on the way, hope to see lineageos taking the same way as twrp.
It's a very nice phone, relatively compact, big battery, volte, easy to unlock, A/B partition...

An official Lineage would be pretty nice to have.

Ordered the Xiaomi Mi A2 Lite 4gb/64gb last week. Anxious to see it delivered. My old Nexus 4 is still going strong, almost 5 years later, but it is having glitches and severe battery issues when I run GPS and maps. The other day, it reset itself and wiped all my user photos. Most were already backed-up, but still. It runs Android 7.1.2, otherwise. So, time to move on with a new phone.

bmoke said:
Ordered the Xiaomi Mi A2 Lite 4gb/64gb last week. Anxious to see it delivered. My old Nexus 4 is still going strong, almost 5 years later, but it is having glitches and severe battery issues when I run GPS and maps. The other day, it reset itself and wiped all my user photos. Most were already backed-up, but still. It runs Android 7.1.2, otherwise. So, time to move on with a new phone.
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Official TWRP is here, working on LOS.

nice! Thanks!

d1ngh said:
Official TWRP is here, working on LOS.
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Woohoo

d1ngh said:
Official TWRP is here, working on LOS.
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15.1 or 16 If I may ask?

Is the notch well supported by custom roms like lineage os?

khoavn said:
Is the notch well supported by custom roms like lineage os?
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Not in every custom rom. Tried a few, GSI Pixel Experience P Rom does support it.
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I expected a fully working build by now but still looks like nothing coming up to 6 months old this phone as well

mortmaru said:
I expected a fully working build by now but still looks like nothing coming up to 6 months old this phone as well
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Agreed but still a great phone, now pie is (un) officially here so it's all good.. what do you really want? It is a banger of a budget.. how many devices have you owned that couldn't even be rooted comfortably? There are quite a few. I suspect things will pick up in the coming months as people keep hearing about this phone..

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Agreed but still a great phone, now pie is (un) officially here so it's all good.. what do you really want? It is a banger of a budget.. how many devices have you owned that couldn't even be rooted comfortably? There are quite a few. I suspect things will pick up in the coming months as people keep hearing about this phone..
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I have never owned a phone which can't be rooted starting with the likes of htc desire upwards then switched to chinese brands starting with redmi note 2 all have supported custom roms/roots.
This is the only one that has had very poor support.
I don't agree regarding budget cheapest 4gb/64gb version i saw for was about £145 for that price Redmi note 6 Pro is better value.
I don't expect much from this 6 months past and not even stable recovery/root and you would think some one would of done even a basic miui port (even original firmware has lots of issues still with slow updates compared to other android one phones)

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mortmaru said:
I have never owned a phone which can't be rooted starting with the likes of htc desire upwards then switched to chinese brands starting with redmi note 2 all have supported custom roms/roots.
This is the only one that has had very poor support.
I don't agree regarding budget cheapest 4gb/64gb version i saw for was about £145 for that price Redmi note 6 Pro is better value.
I don't expect much from this 6 months past and not even stable recovery/root and you would think some one would of done even a basic miui port (even original firmware has lots of issues still with slow updates compared to other android one phones)
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for root you can use magisk, I have installed it on mine. this phone is for those who don't like big phones as this can be operated using one hand only