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Is the Moto X still worth it?

I have my upgrade this week on Verizon, I've been taking a very serious look at the moto X. Motomaker is one of the coolest things on the scene, as well as some of the moto specific features such as active display. The specs just worry me a tad bit when I put it up against something like a G2 which is in the same price range. Many say the specs on this phone are not a indicator of performance, and I actually like the feeling of the Moto X compared to all the other phones I've tried. So should I just throw my spec worry to the wind?

This phone can easily do anything you want it to do. Hardware specs are not a key decision factor here. It is powerful enough.
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Don't focus on the specs! I just left a Note 3 and switched to the Moto X ... Don't regret it one bit!
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I just did. Came from the HTC One about a week ago and no regrets! No difference in performance on daily tasks and Active Display is the best new feature I've seen in a long time. I did go with the Developer Edition though.

Maybe read the 20 other similar threads....lots of opinions there that I'm sure many aren't going to repeat again.
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To use stock its perfect. If you are a flashaholic look elsewhere.
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Got mine a few days ago. The phone is fantastic. It may have modest hardware, but the stock ROM runs great on it.

Best phone I have owned!
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I would stay its still worth it because the price has done down too. Its a great phone and runs fast and smooth but its also a good deal at almost half the price of the other flagships of its generation..

This has been the best device I have purchased in my four years on android phones. I've had the GS4 and HTC one and this phone IMHO performs just as good if not better.
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Don't focus on the spec's. Focus on how it performs. My X performs great. Despite having a Samsung Galaxy S4 in my drawer for work that I could stick my personal SIM in and use, I PURCHASED a Moto X Developer Edition for Verizon in early November (two days before the first price drop, when there was no other option to get 32gig X on VZW).
Also keep in mind, if you plan to root, the Moto Maker and retail Verizon Moto X have a locked bootloader which can not be unlocked. While SlapMyMoto 1.0 works to root phones on 4.4, It has a few steps, including flashing older roms first, etc. In reading this thread -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2538896&page=69 there are reports that root can survive the 4.4.2 update, but it appears the "write protection disable" provided by MotoWpNoMo doesn't survive. Therefore the Developer Edition Moto X for Verizon, which can have its bootloader unlocked and is quicker/easier to root, might be worth looking at.

I have always been about the latest and greatest smart phone and wanted the best specs. When I got the X, I was skeptical. I am now a true believer in that the greatest specs are not needed. Go for the X.

Mine is arriving tomorrow con UK!!, I'm ****ing excited!!. I bought even know in Lenovo bought Motblablabla!!, I don't care I have MotoG and happy to have it so I don't wanna think tomorrow when I'll get MotoX between my hands on!!
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Agree with all previous comments - I'm coming from a HTC ONE X, X+, ONE, and even a Sony Xperia ZL in regards to recent phones and the Moto X for some reason just makes me
The HTC ONE was really good in terms of Android phones and the build quality is still impressive. However, in terms of every day use, snappiness, battery life, integration of core services - the Moto X is nearly perfect (in regards to today's phones). Things can be always improved on any phone (screen if you need text to be razor sharp / camera if you are a vampire that only takes pics at night), but considering all the promos and the decent support from Motorola to keep their customers happy - it's worth taking the risk and seeing if you like it (not to mention you can always return it)!
There is paranoia from people regarding the Lenovo deal - who cares. I'm in the tech industry and will probably have a new phone next year anyways. If the Moto X2 is awesome I'll buy it even if it's owned by Lenovo. If something else is better, then they'll get my business. Who cares - just enjoy what we have now that is awesome...and that awesomeness is the Moto X.
Note: I was not paid by Moto to reply LOL

Buy the Moto X
I bought two Moto X's and can say unequivocally that they are the best phones I've ever had - and I've had cell phones from the very beginning. Don't focus on the specs - focus on the user experience. The size, performance, battery life and feature makes the X a first-rate product.
Plus, building it on MotoMaker is really cool.

I say do it unless you can hold out til the end of Summer for the "X2" lol. I left the N5 for this when I got in on a promo for it over the holidays. This is my favorite Android phone so far and I've had a lot! Nexus S, Galaxy S2, Galaxy Nexus, Galaxy S3, HTC One, Nexus 5, and probably others I am forgetting lol. The extra features like Active Display, Touchless Controls, and "Drive Mode" are super cool. This phone performs just fine given the "midrange" specs and the fact I customized the colors to my liking makes me like it even more.

I love my moto x and believe that it's worth the money to purchase outright without a contract. With a family of 5, I've had a LOT of "flagship" phones. After receiving my Moto X, I'm thinking about giving my S4 to my 14yr. old son and buying another Moto X for my business line.

I'm debating the moto x too...I might need a new phone cause mine is bricked but i cant help and think a new generation of phones are coming out soon

Best phone I have owned. Very snappy. Love all the extras, like twist to open camera - no more tapping away to get a picture.
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Moto makes me say goodbye to Moto G LTE

I am bummed. I needed a replacement/repair on my XT1045. Mic developed issues and also has had the USB charging issue (cable has to be in just the right position to actually charge (suspect USB port breaking loose from MB) so I opened an Advanced Exchange ticket with Motorola. No problem...then a week went by and no new phone (should have gone out in 24hrs overnight according to the email I received).
Key here is nobody at Motorola even tried to contact me about sending a different let alone downgraded phone.
Contacted via online chat and was told I could not be helped and had to call live people during business hours, I work nights and at least 6-days/week -- days are problematic. Not a huge deal but I was disappointed.
While waiting for time to call, phone sort of still works but not well, about 14-days after original ticket opened I get email indicating my phone was shipped. I was happy it was going to arrive the next day, my day off by 10:30AM. FedEx driver decided because I sleep days to not "bother me" in before noon so he changed the delivery time to about 12N. At least they guy was trying but overnight AM is used for a reason, right, not a biggie.
Phone arrives, I put it aside for and when I open it later that day I find it's kinda big, in fact huge. I grab my XT1045 and guess what? It's a Moto G 2014 (XT1064)....sigh....no LTE. OK I am willing to play along, that is until I find it refuses to connect to my carrier when SIM from XT1045 is inserted. SIM is LTE so no issues with backward compatibility, in theory....anyway for two days I try and nothing fixes it.
I email Motorola to the help address they put in the package with the XT1064. In less than 24hrs I get a phone call from Motorola to tell me they are sending me a new Moto X 2014, well a code to let me build my own. I was dead asleep and just said "....ummmm, OK that is nice of you..." I normally would have asked what about the lack of a SD card slot? Now I have to still buy find and buy new case and I LOVED my XT1045 in it's MPERO Mint/Orange case because I can find it wherever I set it down at work. Plus the way I use my phone for work is to handle up to 100-150 calls on busy days. On those days I get a solid 18-30hrs battery life which helps if I forget to charge it the night before or before work. Under non-work days I am solid at 35-48 hrs.
See I don't use my phone for other than calls and brief web searching and I have a number of services turned off unless I need them. It's a trade off.
OK, having made short story long I am being sent, gawds knows when, a new Moto X which while an amazing phone, might not be the phone for ME. I really NEED my SD card slot as I use my phone to also upload photos to backup storage when on a shoot (in the field so to speak other wise away from a desktop). So now I'm not able to do that...in fact the SD card slot was a primary reason for the XT1045, along with the great voice quality on the other end.
I suspect I might be whinging over nothing as the Moto X is a dandy phone but it's targeted at a different sort of user. I'm more utilitarian, I use mine as a tool more than anything else and am not sold the X-2014 (sorry can't find the model number)
And last the case I've grown to love is not yet to be had for the new phone and with my luck, it never will be...but my MPERO by Empire Case had been a fantastic case on par or better than the Otterbox Commute. Plus the colors have gotten me a ton of complements from perfect strangers. That helps in my business.
I applaud Motorola for making the effort to make a bad decision and situation right by me. Yet I am already thinking how much this will cost me in the end.
I guess the real thing I am passing along is there seem to not be any replacement XT1045's to send out as replacements under warranty. Odd they still list them for sale but I have to wonder if there is a reason they are not sending them out. Of course it could be related to my phone being only a couple months old.
I suppose worst case I can sell the Moto X, could only get a 16gb version for my carrier it seems. But I dunno....I just already miss a great phone that I had hoped to use for many years. sniff...sniff...

I have a almost new XT1045..What model Moto X do you have..I have (2) 1045's and would trade (one) for the right Moto X (2nd Gen.)
Find out what model # Moto X you have..get back to me, IF a trade sounds good to you..
If the boot loader can be unlocked..I would be interested..
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NWKENT said:
I have a almost new XT1045..What model Moto X do you have..I have (2) 1045's and would trade (one) for the right Moto X (2nd Gen.)
Find out what model # Moto X you have..get back to me, IF a trade sounds good to you..
If the boot loader can be unlocked..I would be interested..
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Ummm, no thanks, that was not the intent of my post. And were I to get rid of the Moto X 2014 it would sold for the $500 it's worth right now not traded for a phone I can buy new for $200. Good try though....
We'll see how the Moto X work for me, that pesky SD card slot is a big deal for my use...of course I can use my old LG Metro (it has an SD card slot) tethered to the X via wifi or BT and then send the RAW photos upstream. Complicated but doable I suppose.
All I know is my XT1045 was ideal. I guess I should be willing to try a new thing... ???

you sound like a huge baby, you obviously know you got a better and more expensive phone where you can easily sell it, buy a new moto g lte, and make an extra 200$+ and yet you continue to complain?
boohoo, you sure sound like you got the short end of the stick here

anonxlg said:
you sound like a huge baby, you obviously know you got a better and more expensive phone where you can easily sell it, buy a new moto g lte, and make an extra 200$+ and yet you continue to complain?
boohoo, you sure sound like you got the short end of the stick here
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You kids crack me up...you don't see a phone as a business tool for specific uses not a toy. The Moto X (XT1095) is a dandy phone BUT I would never have purchased it due to the fact it lacks one feature I require for my workflow and is lacking in another area compared to my Moto G LTE which is battery life.
Of course I am going to try the Moto X and see if I can find something workable but it will be a tedious deal to juggle getting photos in the field from the camera's SD card to an intermediary device then to the XT1095 and ultimately to my online backup. With my XT1045 it's simply a matter of inserting the SD card and letting Box and Dropbox backup the files automagically, no fuss no muss.
And no an SD card with WIFI is not an option as it puts a camera body down for the time it takes to transfer the 8gb-16gb+ of RAW images.
All solutions mean I have to spend more money to find a solution after a WARRANTY repair. That is what is so ironically funny-sad here and I LOVE the XT1045 as it gave me all i need but just failed after less than 3-months use.
Motorola was GREAT in their service, they offered the best solution they could, am not unhappy with them it is the disruption with a workflow I have crafted and rely upon to earn a living.
Sell the phone just adds another layer of complexity I don't care to make time for but will likely have to. I was one of the original eBay Power Sellers and kept that for over a decade, I have sold enough crap on eBay that I'm done selling, hehehe, burnt out was a better description.
SO it's NOT whinging-whining; it's frustration with a simple exchange gone sideways. Plus do not lose sight of the fact they sent a Moto G 2014 first rather than contact me about not having any access to the XT1045 replacements. And the Moto G 2014 was indeed a downgrade or at best a sideways change due to no LTE. And it turned out to have issues right out of the box.
Get it now?

brecklundin said:
Ummm, no thanks, that was not the intent of my post. And were I to get rid of the Moto X 2014 it would sold for the $500 it's worth right now not traded for a phone I can buy new for $200. Good try though....
We'll see how the Moto X work for me, that pesky SD card slot is a big deal for my use...of course I can use my old LG Metro (it has an SD card slot) tethered to the X via wifi or BT and then send the RAW photos upstream. Complicated but doable I suppose.
All I know is my XT1045 was ideal. I guess I should be willing to try a new thing... ???
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Moto X doesn't have OTG support? You could use a pendrive or an external card reader instead of your sd-card...

Let me get this right. Motorola sent you a brand new 2014 X for a Motorola g lte version Wow I would be well chuffed. Get it on eBay and use the money to get the phone you need with money left over, How the hell someone can be downbeat at this, Why the hell doesn't things happen to me like this. I'd be well chuffed.

Rhyn said:
Moto X doesn't have OTG support? You could use a pendrive or an external card reader instead of your sd-card...
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hey that works! never thought of that. I've got a USB 3.0 SDHC card reader already....solve the xfer need totally! Thanks!
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maccboy2010 said:
Let me get this right. Motorola sent you a brand new 2014 X for a Motorola g lte version Wow I would be well chuffed. Get it on eBay and use the money to get the phone you need with money left over, How the hell someone can be downbeat at this, Why the hell doesn't things happen to me like this. I'd be well chuffed.
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oh, I love the idea of what Motorola did for me. They showed they value our business. It was I have a specific need and picked the XT1045 because it fit my needs perfectly even with just 8GB.
The thing for me is time involved. I grew to really appreciate the XT1045 and also had the perfect case. If I keep the xt1095 all accessories have to be repurchased as well and at a new-release premium.
it's all about trade offs and if the new.phone delivers I'm thrilled but if not it will be almost 2-months into the process of a.simple exchange.
I was really posting to show Moto tries where so many companies just blow us off. But also to show warranty returns might be at issue for people with fairly new G LET phones due to appropriate replacement phones. I suspect it's part of the Lenovo purchase that's pending.
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Oh I get what you mean now, Motorola are pretty good. Sorry for confusion ?

brecklundin said:
You kids crack me up...you don't see a phone as a business tool for specific uses not a toy. The Moto X (XT1095) is a dandy phone BUT I would never have purchased it due to the fact it lacks one feature I require for my workflow and is lacking in another area compared to my Moto G LTE which is battery life.
Of course I am going to try the Moto X and see if I can find something workable but it will be a tedious deal to juggle getting photos in the field from the camera's SD card to an intermediary device then to the XT1095 and ultimately to my online backup. With my XT1045 it's simply a matter of inserting the SD card and letting Box and Dropbox backup the files automagically, no fuss no muss.
And no an SD card with WIFI is not an option as it puts a camera body down for the time it takes to transfer the 8gb-16gb+ of RAW images.
All solutions mean I have to spend more money to find a solution after a WARRANTY repair. That is what is so ironically funny-sad here and I LOVE the XT1045 as it gave me all i need but just failed after less than 3-months use.
Motorola was GREAT in their service, they offered the best solution they could, am not unhappy with them it is the disruption with a workflow I have crafted and rely upon to earn a living.
Sell the phone just adds another layer of complexity I don't care to make time for but will likely have to. I was one of the original eBay Power Sellers and kept that for over a decade, I have sold enough crap on eBay that I'm done selling, hehehe, burnt out was a better description.
SO it's NOT whinging-whining; it's frustration with a simple exchange gone sideways. Plus do not lose sight of the fact they sent a Moto G 2014 first rather than contact me about not having any access to the XT1045 replacements. And the Moto G 2014 was indeed a downgrade or at best a sideways change due to no LTE. And it turned out to have issues right out of the box.
Get it now?
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umm the new moto g (2014) has an SD card slot. look here
http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_moto_g_(2014)-6647.php
this thread looks like nothing but complaining.

Gen2 lists for $140 on Amazon for a few more hours
FYI
The "global" one - best for ATT's network bands - is still available as the "deal of the day" on Amazon for $139.99
The "US" version - best for T-Mobile's 3G bands - sold out.
Note 2nd Gen has no LTE version yet, but yes support the SD card - apparently can get some 64GB to work, not just 32 as spec'd.

You are being a huge ungrateful baby. The moto x is a huge upgrade, and there are always other ways of doing things that oftentimes end up working better. Or, sell it and buy a new g 4g and pocket the cash. Either way, you win thanks to what sounds like some pretty awesome customer service. Too bad it was wasted on you.

There is literally not a single reason for the existence of this thread.

aeonlinux said:
There literally not a single reason for the existence of this thread.
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^ Truth.
It is rather standard for companies to replace old out of stock models with new ones. In the case of phones, they have short manufacturing runs and when a new model is out you can bet that the manufacturer has dumped all their old stock onto carriers and shops already. ie. even if you bought it today from a 3rd party, you should not expect Motorola to have it for replacement. In the future keep that in mind and ask from the start if you can get the exact same model as replacement or what your options are.

Wow....Early Christmas Gift from Motorola!

I had a nice unexpected surprise this week.
I've using an unlocked Moto G (16 gig) on AT&T for awhile. Started to have problems with the earpiece. Did an advance exchange for another Moto G. Received the Moto G, but come to find out the replacement was not unlocked.
After 2-3 different calls to try to figure out the situation, I received a call from another person in advance exchange. This is a true story, but he said because of the hassle and amount of calls I had to go through, they were shipping me the 2013 32 gig developer edition. I never asked, requested, or even got upset trying to initial just to get them to ship the correct Moto G. Showed up today brand new sealed in the box.
Anyway, pleasantly surprised and now need to snoop around the forums on case recommendations. They sent the white background/black front.

Congrats. The dev version only come in one color, black front and white back as you state.
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While I don't mean to sound harsh, this is the Moto X subforum so, why are you posting about the Moto G here? I read that post thinking that because of the hassles you had with Motorola customer service they sent you the 32GB Dev Edition of the Moto X, but... now I don't have any clue whatsoever exactly what you got.

I don't think there exists a 32GB Moto G Developer Edition.

br0adband said:
While I don't mean to sound harsh, this is the Moto X subforum so, why are you posting about the Moto G here? I read that post thinking that because of the hassles you had with Motorola customer service they sent you the 32GB Dev Edition of the Moto X, but... now I don't have any clue whatsoever exactly what you got.
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They sent a Moto X developer edition.
Mods: please close the thread as it appears this should not have been posted here.

Same thing happened to us!
I bought a brand new Moto G ( previous edition) for my dad and after a few days the sim card slot somehow got messed up and wasn't reading the card. So we called, it was covered under warranty and we gave our info for advanced exchange. When we received the package in the mail it turned out to be a Moto X Dev edition.. I was shocked and called them to make sure it wasn't a mistake. ( I didn't want them to charge me extra for it) . Turns out it wasn't a mistake but they just decided to be nice? Not sure why exactly.. Maybe they have extra DEs sitting around or something, or they want to clear inventory. Anyways my dad and I are both happy campers and their excellent customer service has made us customers for life!

Moto has great support. They really take care of people.

Seems like a fitting place to me.
I just purchased this same dev edition model and I am eagerly waiting for it to arrive!

My custom moto x had a ring around the front camera get loose. I was eventually told (after I sent Motorola the phone) that they were unable to make me the same phone and upgraded me to the pure edition 2nd gen.

Moto has the best customer service from what I experienced. ( I have own samsung. lg, htc , etc, all went through RMA before).
Last time my Droid Razr Maxx broke and could not read sim (UICC card). they just gave me an MOTO X developer Edition. ( back in April). I call and offer to paid more to get customization. They just offer me a custom moto x unlock/t-mobile for not extra cost at all!
I could not be more happier. And I convinced my friends and family to try Moto X.
HTC is very quick in RMA but since moto offer me an free moto x, I could only vote for them

Moto is a great company. But I'm afraid what the future holds now that lenovo has bought them. I think lenovo already closed the US plant where they made custom motomaker phones and outsourced those jobs overseas.

Not to downplay moto's kindness.... But watching ebay it seems people have been clearing warehouses of dev editions lately.
I would imagine that it being a dev edition, at this point they are just trying to figure out what to do with the remaining units... Regular moto x carriers will take and give out for free/pennies until remaining stock is gone... But I bet demand for the developer units has dried up SIGNIFICANTLY now that its an old model of what was already a nich phone to begin with.
Nice unexpected upgrade though. Nice to see companies taking care of customers rather then just performing the minimum expectations..

iFalcon said:
I had a nice unexpected surprise this week.
I've using an unlocked Moto G (16 gig) on AT&T for awhile. Started to have problems with the earpiece. Did an advance exchange for another Moto G. Received the Moto G, but come to find out the replacement was not unlocked.
After 2-3 different calls to try to figure out the situation, I received a call from another person in advance exchange. This is a true story, but he said because of the hassle and amount of calls I had to go through, they were shipping me the 2013 32 gig developer edition. I never asked, requested, or even got upset trying to initial just to get them to ship the correct Moto G. Showed up today brand new sealed in the box.
Anyway, pleasantly surprised and now need to snoop around the forums on case recommendations. They sent the white background/black front.
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Why trade a Moto X for a Moto G?

jellybean411 said:
Why trade a Moto X for a Moto G?
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I'm guessing they still have a lot of stock of Moto X 2013.

laofan said:
Moto has the best customer service from what I experienced. ( I have own samsung. lg, htc , etc, all went through RMA before).
Last time my Droid Razr Maxx broke and could not read sim (UICC card). they just gave me an MOTO X developer Edition. ( back in April). I call and offer to paid more to get customization. They just offer me a custom moto x unlock/t-mobile for not extra cost at all!
I could not be more happier. And I convinced my friends and family to try Moto X.
HTC is very quick in RMA but since moto offer me an free moto x, I could only vote for them
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May I ask why did you have to RMA all of your previous phones?
I've never had to RMA any of my phones, and I've had several

soopervoo said:
May I ask why did you have to RMA all of your previous phones?
I've never had to RMA any of my phones, and I've had several
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I owned a lot of phones before ( yes , I am a phone-junk). Some are good, some have issues. It just happens. For those which have issues and still under warranty, I would have them RMA.
That is why I have experienced RMA from Samsung, HTC, LG , and moto.
Not all my phones went through RMA, only a few. But I do know all major phone maker RMA procedures

This is why I won't be able to switch to another brand in the foreseeable future, Motorola tries to show they care. My first Android device was an Xperia X10, which was damaged not a month after I bought it (a known device issue) but Sony wouldn't hold up their warranty and left me scorned forever at them. Never again Sony. And now, Motorola has restored my faith in any company, I just love my Moto X.

new XT1250 for sale (unlock-able Droid Turbo clone)

For those interested, I found one.
It's listed as an XT1225, but only has 32GB memory. (XT1225 only comes with 64GB memory) I pointed this out to the seller and he admitted it's a U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brand-New-B...D-/291551551851?ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:US:1123
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SAME FCC ID as the Droid Turbo XT1254, same CDMA/GSM/HSPA/LTE bands. Will run on Verizon with Verizon SIM card. Bootloader can be unlocked and phone FULLY ROOTED.
From: chazzmatt
To: premium_wireless
Subject: Details about item: chazzmatt sent a message about Brand New BLACK Motorola MOTO MAXX XT1225 32GB ( MOTO MAXX ) GSM UNLOCKED #291551551851
Sent Date: Sep-01-15 12:43:59 PDT
Dear premium_wireless,
You sure this isn't a Droid Turbo XT1254 or U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250?
Because the XT1225 (sold in Latin America countries) ONLY comes in 64GB. I own two, so I know. XT1225 does NOT come in 32GB. Whereas the U.S. XT1250 and Verizon XT1254 both come in 32GB variants.
- chazzmatt
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From: premium_wireless
To: chazzmatt
Subject: Re: Details about item: chazzmatt sent a message about Brand New BLACK Motorola MOTO MAXX XT1225 32GB ( MOTO MAXX ) GSM UNLOCKED #291551551851
Sent Date: Sep-01-15 12:47:44 PDT
Dear chazzmatt,
I am sorry, this is the 1250
- premium_wireless
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I have no connection to this person, but so many people have contacted me looking for an XT1250. I have pointed people to the various regional carriers who sell it. But here's one very available on eBay...

Nice find and nice phone but still 619 $ is pricey considering its 1 year old.
edit : not to misunderstood for price given by seller, should add sellers' price 619$ is good deal comparing other sellers.

Semseddin said:
Nice find and nice phone but still 619 $ is pricey considering its 1 year old.
edit : not to misunderstood for price given by seller, should add sellers' price 619$ is good deal comparing other sellers.
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for a new "dev edition" of Droid Turbo, it's a great price. ;
Unlock-able bootloader, can be fully rooted.
With dev help, you could also install custom 5.1 ROMs built for other Quarks.
Runs on Verizon with Verizon SIM.

I mean in two months time maximum, we will be offered the droid turbo 2 and moto maxx 2, it is possible to be that ugly motorola bounce or in a droid style case model hopefully. It won't be more expensive than 600$.

Semseddin said:
I mean in two months time maximum, we will be offered the droid turbo 2 and moto maxx 2, it is possible to be that ugly motorola bounce or in a droid style case model hopefully. It won't be more expensive than 600$.
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I don't think replacement model will be on two months...
I think the Motorola Bounce IS the Droid Turbo 2/Moto Maxx 2/Moto Turbo.
Except it will be Droid Turbo 2 (Verizon)/Moto Force (for the rest of the world). Just my guess. I may be wrong. But others are speculating the same thing.
5.4" 1440p display instead of the TOO LARGE 5.7" of the Moto X Play. And upgraded specs (Snapdragon 810, Qi wireless, shatterproof).
Waiting until December so it can have Marshmallow at launch. Not sure if that's ANNOUNCED in December or RELEASED in December. Media reporters confuse that all the time.
and it will probably be about $600 (if it has Qi wireless, etc,). "Shatter proof" and 64B raises the price.
Curious whether the 21MP camera will have OIS and whether either of those bottom holes are a 2nd speaker (for stereo front facing speakers).
http://www.gsmarena.com/moto_x_force_will_be_the_official_name_of_the_leaked_bounce-news-13819.php
Moto X Force will be the official name of the leaked Bounce
, 02 September, 2015
Just a short couple of days ago we brought you word of a new smartphone in development at Motorola. Up until today this was known by its codename - Bounce.
It will however be sold as the Moto X Force when it eventually launches. Along with the official name, we have a new leaked render of the device for your viewing pleasure.
It keeps the trademark Motorola design, so you're not definitely not going to confuse this with an offering from a different manufacturer. Since we've so far heard that there's a Droid Turbo 2 in the making for Verizon, it now seems likely that would be based on the Moto X Force, since Big Red's other Moto launch, the Droid Maxx 2, is basically just a rebranded Moto X Play. Then again, the carrier could have gone with the Moto X Style for its next-gen Turbo, we'll see.
The Moto X Force will apparently be "shatterproof", which suggests a military MIL-STD rating of some sort. This could be paired with water and dust resistance through an IP factor.
Inside the Moto X Force we'll find the Snapdragon 810 chip from Qualcomm, 3GB of RAM, 32 or 64GB of storage, as well as a 3,760 mAh battery -- which, amazingly, is even bigger than that of the Moto X Play.
The screen will be a 5.43-inch QHD affair, while the main camera will be the 21 MP unit seen in both of the other Moto X-branded devices launched this year, paired once again with a 5 MP selfie snapper.
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Over on Disqus and even Reddit, I find it funny people still believe that the Droid Turbo was "exclusive" to Verizon. That was a marketing lie.
They seem to know nothing about the the U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250 -- which is IDENTICAL device to the Droid Turbo XT12154 -- even the same FCC ID -- and runs on Verizon with a Verizon SIM card. Also has unlock-able bootloader... the U.S. Moto Maxx is basically the "dev" version of the locked down Droid Turbo. Of course, Verizon is not going to tell you about it! And Motorola isn't going to announce it widely because of their relationship to Verizon. But it's there if you know how to research.
Many people have bought it and used it on Verizon. You can root, install TWRP, etc.
Now the Quarks forums have been separated, but if they had not been together for the past year, would the lucky Verizon customers who bought the XT1250 U.S. Moto Maxx because I told them about it have even found out about it?
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The U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250 is not to be confused with the International Moto Maxx XT1225 and Moto Turbo XT1225 (see even the Turbo name is not exclusive), which are also Moto Quark phones but do not have CDMA bands enabled, and have a slightly different mix of LTE bands. All the XT1225 models are the same device, in spite of having two model names (Moto Turbo and Moto Maxx). Same FCC ID across all regions, same SKU.
See, there were basically two Motorola Quark phones -- with two different FCC IDs -- released under THREE model names:
FCC ID IHDT56PK1:
XT1254 U.S. Droid Turbo/XT1250 U.S. Moto Maxx (identical device, CMDA/GSM/HSPA/LTE bands -- except for model name). The XT1250 will run on Verizon, with a Verizon SIM card. This device has LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 7, 13 enabled.
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FCC ID IHDT56PK2:
XT1225 "international" Moto Turbo/XT1225 "international" Moto Maxx (identical device, GSM/HPSA/LTE bands, except for model names). No CMDA. This LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 17 enabled.
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Of the two Quark models -- released under three models names (Moto Maxx, Moto Turbo, Droid Turbo) -- only the one with the model name "Droid Turbo" has locked down bootloader.
The XT1250 U.S. Moto Maxx is basically the "dev" version of the XT1254 "Droid Turbo" if you can get your hands on it. (unlock-able bootloader, can be easily rooted, TWRP installed, etc.)

Great summary. Thank you. I'm getting ready to move to Verizon because after relocating my AT&T coverage is terrible. Verizon rules in my new area. The Bounce seems like the best alternative to my One M9 which I'm using now because there is a way to unlock and root. I've been spoiled by the ease in which you can convert carrier branded HTC flagships to unbranded Dev editions. Sounds like December will be when I'll be able to switch.

it seems on twitter, the running theory is announcement for the Turbo 2 will be in the middle of October and release at the end of the month. I am secretly hoping they release a Developer Edition because the skip every other year pattern matches up *and* there isn't a Nexus 6 to compete with anymore within Moto's catalog. If so, I am totally prepared to drop $$ on it. Mind you, I realize it is unlikely anyone at Motorola will give a crap about us tweakers considering Android Pay being dev-hostile. I am perfectly ok with choosing between root or Android Pay. I am almost tempted to buy a Moto X Pure and roll the dice on battery life and the 808. My Turbo may never see Bootloader Unlock. who knows at this point.

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it seems on twitter, the running theory is announcement for the Turbo 2 will be in the middle of October and release at the end of the month. I am secretly hoping they release a Developer Edition because the skip every other year pattern matches up *and* there isn't a Nexus 6 to compete with anymore within Moto's catalog. If so, I am totally prepared to drop $$ on it. Mind you, I realize it is unlikely anyone at Motorola will give a crap about us tweakers considering Android Pay being dev-hostile. I am perfectly ok with choosing between root or Android Pay. I am almost tempted to buy a Moto X Pure and roll the dice on battery life and the 808. My Turbo may never see Bootloader Unlock. who knows at this point.
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Winner, winner. Give the man a prize.
http://www.theverge.com/2015/10/27/...-droid-turbo-2-announced-pricing-release-date
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015...turbo-2-and-its-plastic-shatterproof-display/
Anyone going to jump? How long should we wait to see if Motorola releases an unbranded version similar to what ChazzMatt discussed about the original Driod Turbo?

http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/new-prod...ase-date-price-specification-rumours-3628221/
i definately dont need a prize, lol. if you figure out, as i did, that most leaks start on twitter There definately is a variant that will be released. Just a matter of bands, shipping, and importing.

Droid Turbo 2 is coming tomorrow.

Hey so just a quick update re the Moto Maxx XT1250, they're now approx $340 on eBay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Motorol...ed-GSM-4G-LTE-21MP-Camera-Phone-/351564947009
When I found out about the new Driod Turbo / Moto X Force being over $600 I had sticker shock so I went ahead and bought the XT1250 instead. I also have a Nexus 5X coming. I'm stocking up on phones because I have four, or possibly three, family members that are all switching to Verizon and need to try and not break the bank on hardware. No-one in my family wants a phablet-sized device so the XT1250 seems like a good fit. It'll be interesting to see who latches onto it.

I have been searching around and can't seem to find the answer to this question, so I thought this thread would be good to ask it in. Does the XT1250 support VoLTE? I actually need simultaneous voice and data.

good question!! honestly, if I get my hands on one, I plan to bl unlock, then flash turbo firmware. well, at least radios. same fcc id = same hardware. doesn't answer your question I know, but I'm pretty sure the theory is sound

I have an XT1250 and unlocked it when I got it and flashed the verizon firmware on it and it works fine including VOLTE.

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I have an XT1250 and unlocked it when I got it and flashed the verizon firmware on it and it works fine including VOLTE.
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Agreed. It worked fine for me too. In fact, flashing VZW's firmware is one of your few options if you want Lollipop. Hell it gets Verizon OTAs too.
I've been following the CM12.1 thread and it sounds like right now the XT1250 can't play. There must be a significant-enough difference in the firmware (vs XT1225) to keep it from working.

Just in case anyone is still following this thread, they are selling the xt1250 on jet.com for $260, and if you create a new account your get $30 off! So it comes to $230 with no tax for a new phone.
I assume it's new, but I'll know for sure by the end of next week

Thanks for the info, also purchase one red set. $230
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DougMG said:
I have an XT1250 and unlocked it when I got it and flashed the verizon firmware on it and it works fine including VOLTE.
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Agreed. It worked fine for me too. In fact, flashing VZW's firmware is one of your few options if you want Lollipop. Hell it gets Verizon OTAs too.
I've been following the CM12.1 thread and it sounds like right now the XT1250 can't play. There must be a significant-enough difference in the firmware (vs XT1225) to keep it from working.
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Since someone replied to this thread and brought it back to the top, XT1250 does work with CM12.1 and CM13. The post above was from months ago.
Also works with Resurrection Remix and Mokee (and I think also Xperia ROM) over in the other Quark forum.
The XT1254 Droid Turbo and XT1250 U.S. Moto Maxx are exactly the same device, even the same FCC ID.

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Since someone replied to this thread and brought it back to the top, XT1250 does work with CM12.1 and CM13. The post above was from months ago.
Also works with Resurrection Remix and Mokee (and I think also Xperia ROM) over in the other Quark forum.
The XT1254 Droid Turbo and XT1250 U.S. Moto Maxx are exactly the same device, even the same FCC ID.
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Do you have links to the pages where we can find the mods? I tried searching but haven't had any luck so far

Moto Maxx receiving Marshmallow update

At least thats what they say....
http://motorola-blog.blogspot.mx/2015/10/marshmallow-and-smore.html
What do you think? Would we be able to run Marshmallow before end of year? Maybe early next year? Or would we be the new Atrix HD?

Very good!
I will not hold my breath for this year though.

I'd like it sooner rather then later but am willing to wait until they work the bugs out.

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At least thats what they say....
http://motorola-blog.blogspot.mx/2015/10/marshmallow-and-smore.html
What do you think? Would we be able to run Marshmallow before end of year? Maybe early next year? Or would we be the new Atrix HD?
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At least Motorola put it in writing on official website. So, it's no longer "rumor" or Moto Support chat screenshot.
Marshmallow upgrade are listed for BOTH The XT1225 Moto Turbo is listed for India as well as the XT1225 Moto Maxx for Latin America. Yes, they are the same device, with the same FCC ID -- but Motorola gave the same phone two different model names, depending on the market where being sold. So, nice they confirmed Marshmallow for this phone for BOTH model names.
https://motorola-mobility-en-in.custhelp.com/app/software-upgrade-news/g_id/2014
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However with XT1225 (which was first released as the "international" Moto Maxx with Kitkat 4.4.4) they also promised to bring Lollipop, but turned out to only be 5.0.2 which had lot of bugs and was laggy. (To refresh your memory, India Moto Turbo XT1225 launched with 5.0.2. Moto Maxx XT1225 soon received that same version as an upgrade from 4.4.4.) Motorola gave this premium priced device only an early version of Lollipop. They never gave us 5.1.1 which was lots better -- or even 5.1 which they gave to one of the other Quarks -- the Verizon Droid Turbo XT1254. Nor have they yet released the 5.1 kernel source for the July 2015 Quark (Droid Turbo) XT1254 update, which would help CM ( @Skrilax_CZ) give us an even better 5.1.1 custom ROM...
All the current 5.1.1 custom ROMs for the XT1225 are still using 5.0.2 Quark kernel source. Besides CM12.1, the other ROMs (like Mokee, Resurrection Remix, Nexus Experience) use 5.0.2 kernel code from CM for their Quark versions, so without CM's @Skrilax_CZ (who bought an XT1225) we wouldn't have any custom ROMs for our XT1225! We can never thank him enough!
@baybutcher27 has done outstanding work -- giving us an updated OFFICIAL TWRP recovery (taking over from @respider, who had his XT1225 stolen from him), and also giving us a custom kernel. But even he built on the kernel foundation laid from CM's @Skrilax_CZ.
So, if Motorola does eventually give us Marshmallow, I hope it's at least a couple of versions of 6.0 over the next year -- and I hope they release kernel sources.

@Skrilax_CZ is really great, Motorola told him they will release a new version of quark kernel in the next few weeks.
Hope they really released it.
And that 6.0 for quark does not take 6+ months more than all other Motorola devices...
After this news it seems that Motorola will skip the 5.1.1 for MAXX and go straight to 6.0

I don't like this atitude. I work with IT myself and for god sake all those sources are on git.. look the CM system they do *automatic* builds of their roms, why? Because thats pretty much obvius, if you commit changes to the core you want all sources to be recompiled and tested. All vendors could do that. What about the fact Android IS open sourced. Whats about AOSP? This is a disrespect. You know, they could at least give you the subsequent lastest source for you to compil for you phone, like you cant have the lastest android, but I give you the abilitie to put a custom rom in you phone if you like. I not even talking about to Open de Device Drivers, wich I know they will NEVER do, but I don't mind to use a blob here and there. I have been using the nvidia driver blob on linux for years, and I can say the thing got pretty much very stable.

i like how they say we are getting it but i'll believe it when i see it

It seems that media is start to pushing Motorola:
http://www.droid-life.com/2015/10/15/motorola-what-the-hell-is-going-on-with-you/
http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/10/08/an-open-letter-to-motorola-start-promising-a-concrete-period-of-update-support-to-your-customers-or-start-losing-them/
http://www.computerworld.com/article/2923622/android/android-upgrade-report-card-lollipop.html?page=2#moto

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It seems that media is start to pushing Motorola:
http://www.droid-life.com/2015/10/15/motorola-what-the-hell-is-going-on-with-you/
http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/10/08/an-open-letter-to-motorola-start-promising-a-concrete-period-of-update-support-to-your-customers-or-start-losing-them/
http://www.computerworld.com/article/2923622/android/android-upgrade-report-card-lollipop.html?page=2#moto
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If only Motorola could be more like LG:
Android Marshmallow: LG is the first non-Nexus device to get the latest Google update
http://www.express.co.uk/life-style...Android-6-0-Marshmallow-LG-G4-UK-Release-Date
2015 LG G4 will be the first to get Marshmallow after the Nexus phones, but the 2014 phones won't be far behind. LG works closely with Google because they made/make Nexus phones also -- just like Motorola made last year's Moto Nexus 6.
Our Quark phones are 95% the same as the Moto Nexus 6... so, there's no excuse. The Moto Nexus 6 has Marshmallow, and so should our phones. If LG can do it so quickly, so could Motorola -- specifically for the non-carrier models where the updates come straight from Motorola.

Such a shame - the Motorola model of just adding to stock android really is the model more companies should adopt. They needed to stick it out a little longer though, it takes years to build up a brand. I have no doubt this is simply down to budget and employee cuts. They also likely screwed themselves by offering custom versions of firmware for so many different providers for each phone they make. Updating so many versions gets way out of hand quickly.
oh well, they had a good run and Lenovo could likely really make money long term but not if they don't really back the concept.

Altough Moto Maxx is a expensive top model it's being trated consecutively by Lenovo/Motorola worse then many of their mid range models.
I expect it to get Marshmallow after all their other models have it.

Erowind said:
Altough Moto Maxx is a expensive top model it's being trated consecutively by Lenovo/Motorola worse then many of their mid range models.
I expect it to get Marshmallow after all their other models have it.
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Yeah, it's like Motorola/Lenovo (or someone important in the company) hates their own Quark phone because it made all their other models look pathetic. So, they ignore this phone so they can make more money on all their mediocre mid-tier and lower-tier phones with higher margins. Moto G? HA!
Their top tier 2014/2015 phone (Moto Turbo XT1225 was launched in March 2015, in India) should have been the FIRST phone after maybe the Kinzie (Droid Turbo 2/Moto X Play) to get Marshmallow. Instead it will be the LAST.

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Yeah, it's like Motorola/Lenovo (or someone important in the company) hates their own Quark phone because it made all their other models look pathetic. So, they ignore this phone so they can make more money on all their mediocre mid-tier and lower-tier phones with higher margins. Moto G? HA!
Their top tier 2014/2015 phone (Moto Turbo XT1225 was launched in March 2015, in India) should have been the FIRST phone after maybe the Kinzie (Droid Turbo 2/Moto Play) to get Marshmallow. Instead it will be the LAST.
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I'm wondering if they are still planning to even release Marshmallow for the Maxx.

ChazzMatt said:
Their top tier 2014/2015 phone (Moto Turbo XT1225 was launched in March 2015, in India) should have been the FIRST phone after maybe the Kinzie (Droid Turbo 2/Moto Play) to get Marshmallow. Instead it will be the LAST.
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I hear what you're saying, and agree...but from a business perspective, it also makes sense to first get it to your larger (largest?) customer base, which may not be the XT1225 (just as the HTC M8 got it before the M9).

Too much conspiracy. For solid facts and news instead of rumors and speculation, go to Motorola's update page to see status on upcoming updates for each Motorola device.
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Too much conspiracy. For solid facts and news instead of rumors and speculation, go to Motorola's update page to see status on upcoming updates for each Motorola device.
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Which doesn't tell us anything we don't already know. We know they've PROMISED us Marshmallow. That's the problem. They still have not delivered it to us.
Motorola will not anywhere tell us WHEN we are getting Marshmallow. Yet they are rolling it out to other lower tier models.
The first post of this thread from beginning of October 2015 is about Motorola/Lenovo PROMISING us in writing the Quark will get Marshmallow. So, your remark adds nothing to the discuss we don't already know.
That official Motorola blog post was made October 2, 2015. We are now at end of January 2016. Keep counting the months...
What we are discussing is the delay and even broken promises implicit in buying the highest spec, most expensive phone Motorola makes.

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Which doesn't tell you anything we don't already know.
They've been promising since October in writing (see first post of this thread) to give us Marshmallow, yet have not yet. Keep counting the months...
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It's still pending carrier support as per Moto site. The purpose of the site is to provide updates to eliminate what's going on in this thread.
Still, the most reliable source is that page. I'm not sure what else they can say to provide updates to the population. Also note that they don't have ETAs on that site so we could expect Marshmallow at any date, but the fact of the matter is that we WILL get the update.
It may sound repetitive to you, but it beats having OEMs that leave customers in the dark in these situations.
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It's still pending carrier support as per Moto site. The purpose of the site is to provide updates to eliminate what's going on in this thread.
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Most of the Quarks do NOT need carrier support. The Brazil, Mexico and India OEM XT1225 were sold directly from the factory. Updates come straight from Motorola. Try again.
My Mexico Moto Maxx XT1225 came straight from China factory to Mexico, where it was re-shipped by an XDA member to my U.S. address. Not sold by any carrier. I received tracking updates all the way.
The India Moto Turbo XT1225 is totally factory, with no carrier affiliation.
This is why India, Brazil factory, Mexico factory Quarks received Lollipop (April 2015) before the other Quarks that were tied to carriers. Verizon Droid Turbo was the last Quark to receive Lollipop in July 2015.
I own three XT225, running two of them as daily phones on AT&T (and one is a backup still in the box). LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 17. Motorola could give me Marshmallow today by releasing it for the non-carrier phones.

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Most of the Quarks do NOT need carrier support. The Brazil, Mexico and India XT1225 were sold directly from the factory. Updates come straight from Motorola. Try again. I own three XT225, running two of them as daily phones on AT&T.
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And does Motorola provide information about those variants? I was solely talking about the Droid Turbo(VZW). Perhaps if you go on their site and look it up, you'll get your answers for your phones. Patience...
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And does Motorola provide information about those variants? I was solely talking about the Droid Turbo(VZW). Perhaps if you go on their site and look it up, you'll get your answers for your phones. Patience...
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To answer that question, look at my post IN THIS SAME THREAD from October 3, 2015:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=63114883&postcount=4
I even included screenshots of the Motorola Update website. Nothing has changed since then.
https://motorola-mobility-en-in.custhelp.com/app/software-upgrade-news/g_id/2014
https://motorola-global-es-latam.custhelp.com/app/software-upgrade-news/g_id/1984
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That site is almost useless, I keep telling you. All Motorola will say is YES, the international Moto Maxx/Moto Turbo/U.S. Droid Turbo (most of of the Quark models) will receive Marshmallow. The same thing they said in the official blog back on October 2, 2015 -- mentioned in the first post of this thread. They've been saying that since beginning of October 2015.
WHEN they do actually roll it out -- going by past history -- the Brazil/Mexico/India OEM models will receive it first, followed by carrier-affiliated variants like Puerto Rico/Claro XT1225 and U.S. Verizon Droid Turbo XT1254.
Let me correct/clarify something I said earlier. I said the Verizon Droid Turbo XT1254 was the last to receive Lollipop. While that's true, one Quark NEVER officially received Lollipop -- the U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250, sold by U.S. regional CDMA/LTE carriers. It has identical FCC ID as the Droid Turbo -- it's a U.S.-sold non-Verizon "Droid Turbo", just released under a different model name. (The "Droid Turbo" is not exclusive to Verizon, in the U.S.) Sold in the U.S., has the exact same LTE bands as the Droid Turbo, with fully unlock-able bootloader (FREE) via Motorola website. Lots of people bought it, rooted it, ran it on Verizon long before the Sunshine bootloader unlock method became available for the Droid Turbo. It's basically the "dev" version of the Droid Turbo, but you can't buy it from Verizon. But Motorola left the XT1250 on Kitkat 4.4.4. Of course, rooting it and installing a 5.1.1 custom ROM trumps that.
But the fact that Motorola completely abandoned one Quark -- the highest spec phone they sold -- proves my point that they cannot be trusted. That Quark, the XT1250 was called the Moto Maxx, is not even included in the Marshmallow promise. It's not listed under the U.S. phone section.
Yes, my "international" XT1225 phones (3 of them!) will EVENTUALLY get Marshmallow. But WHEN? Motorola is delaying it as much as possible, it seems. We're just complaining about that, and wondering WHY. I paid average of $700 each for my first two Quarks, when first released. I recently bought a 3rd XT1225 for much less, but of course it's now a year later. Just have it as a backup -- as I'm not impressed by the Kinzie successor (Droid Turbo 2/Moto X Play). This phone was the best phone when released in 2014 and is still the best for me. I have an LG G4 I got for free, still in the box as this phone meets my needs so much better.