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I have been absolutely loving the Moto X for the last month. The battery longevity, ergonomics (size and shape), active notifications / unlock from screen, Moto assist, and Motorola Connect are my top reasons for keeping this phone. I know the Nexus 5 just released today and I am wondering if any of you guys are going to switch over to it. I don't think I will, but want to see what all you others think. Please provide reasoning and add your vote to the poll. Thanks.
I ordered my 32gb black N5 the very second it went live. I have no intention of ditching the Moto X for it, but want to have it to tinker with. The Moto X is pretty much perfect in every way (for now) so I can't really see myself liking the Nexus 5 any more. But, the bigger screen and 4.4 have me wanting it so I bought it. I'll probably use my Moto X as a weekday/work phone and the Nexus 5 as my weekend/play phone.
I think my decision depends on how quickly they get Kitkat out on the Moto X. Punit Soni hinted it was coming soon so I'll bide my time.
I'll be staying with the X. The n5 looks nice but after getting used to the perfect size of the x, I'm not interested in going back to a bigger device.
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capathy21 said:
I'll be staying with the X. The n5 looks nice but after getting used to the perfect size of the x, I'm not interested in going back to a bigger device.
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In other words, you are trying to be the supply issue
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In other words, you are trying to be the supply issue
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I don't follow?
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mentose457 said:
Do you have a problem with me purchasing the N5 just to sell?
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I'd think you were scum if you were profiteering from flood victims, but it is just a phone. Anyone stupid enough to buy from you deserves what they get.
Anyhow, not interested in the N5 as I want a one-handed friendly form factor, and active display is a killer feature for me.
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I'd think you were scum if you were profiteering from flood victims, but it is just a phone. Anyone stupid enough to buy from you deserves what they get.
Anyhow, not interested in the N5 as I want a one-handed friendly form factor, and active display is a killer feature for me.
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That's usually how i feel about those people too. My plan is to sell it if people are dumb enough to buy it for an exaggerated price. If not, I love phones and ill keep it.
mentose457 said:
That's usually how i feel about those people too. My plan is to sell it if people are dumb enough to buy it for an exaggerated price. If not, I love phones and ill keep it.
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There is nothing wrong with this, I dont do it myself, but it happens in every market that is dictated by s&d... Whether it's phones, concert tickets, consoles etc... It's part of how Capitalism works. If someone us stupid enough to buy something for more than its market value, then more power to the seller. Look at the iPhone! Every year people buy tens of thousands just to resell at higher prices. I think it's stupid and foolish! But from the buyers perspective, not the sellers.
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I use to want to flash my phone all the time, get a new ROM here and there. It originally started with wiping the phone every new flash. It started becoming a lengthy process to restore my apps and data that I use daily and things for work. So I started doing dirty flashes, then the ROMs would sometimes require a fresh flash due to instability.
With the MotoX that has all went away. I got 4.2.2 (I didn't see alot to 4.3 for my daily use) and still have root and system right access after the camera update. My phone is completely stable, and I get all the features I mainly use from ROMs using things like Xposed. (I still cant get the volume track control working, which I really use alot) and the phone is rock stable and doesn't require me to mess with kernels or tweak it with each new rom and build to get it right.
Now that I see 4.4 is coming and PwnMyMoto2 may be coming (no idea what it will do) I am sure I will stay with my Moto X. The Nexus 5 is great but I would be so tempted to ROM it and loosing Active Display would suck.
So for my playing needs I have my recently purchased Nexus 7 (2013) which I get to mess with all the time and no worries if it crashes or isn't stable.
TLDR: The Moto X is a solid performer and stable as hell for me and has cured my crack flashing cravings and shown me how a simple reliable phone can be perfect!
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I use to want to flash my phone all the time, get a new ROM here and there. It originally started with wiping the phone every new flash. It started becoming a lengthy process to restore my apps and data that I use daily and things for work. So I started doing dirty flashes, then the ROMs would sometimes require a fresh flash due to instability.
With the MotoX that has all went away. I got 4.2.2 (I didn't see alot to 4.3 for my daily use) and still have root and system right access after the camera update. My phone is completely stable, and I get all the features I mainly use from ROMs using things like Xposed. (I still cant get the volume track control working, which I really use alot) and the phone is rock stable and doesn't require me to mess with kernels or tweak it with each new rom and build to get it right.
Now that I see 4.4 is coming and PwnMyMoto2 may be coming (no idea what it will do) I am sure I will stay with my Moto X. The Nexus 5 is great but I would be so tempted to ROM it and loosing Active Display would suck.
So for my playing needs I have my recently purchased Nexus 7 (2013) which I get to mess with all the time and no worries if it crashes or isn't stable.
TLDR: The Moto X is a solid performer and stable as hell for me and has cured my crack flashing cravings and shown me how a simple reliable phone can be perfect!
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My only worry is the longevity of the dual-core processor. It's great now, but what about after a couple of OS updates? The N5 will certainly hold up better than the Moto X in terms of longevity -- but I'm finding it hard to justify ditching the great form factor and convenience of Active Display/Touchless Control for better specs. I'm loving my Moto X and will not be ditching it for the way-too-big N5!
Also, it sounds like Kitkat will be coming out for the Moto X in a reasonable time. Motorola has already announced the phones that will be getting it and it seems a few insides on XDA are saying it'll be out soon. Here's to hoping service providers don't hold up that process too much.
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My only worry is the longevity of the dual-core processor. It's great now, but what about after a couple of OS updates? The N5 will certainly hold up better than the Moto X in terms of longevity -- but I'm finding it hard to justify ditching the great form factor and convenience of Active Display/Touchless Control for better specs. I'm loving my Moto X and will not be ditching it for the way-too-big N5!
Also, it sounds like Kitkat will be coming out for the Moto X in a reasonable time. Motorola has already announced the phones that will be getting it and it seems a few insides on XDA are saying it'll be out soon. Here's to hoping service providers don't hold up that process too much.
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The dual core CPU on this phone is technically quick because it is able to perform its duties at higher efficiency. There was an article from Anandtech talking about why Apple iPhone 5s is still a Dualcore.
I always thought the transition from 2 to 4 cores happened quicker in mobile than I had expected. Thankfully there are some well threaded apps that have been able to take advantage of more than two cores and power gating keeps the negative impact of the additional cores down to a minimum. As we saw in our Moto X review however, two faster cores are still better for most uses than four cores running at lower frequencies. NVIDIA forced everyone’s hand in moving to 4 cores earlier than they would’ve liked, and now you pretty much can’t get away with shipping anything less than that in an Android handset. Even Motorola felt necessary to obfuscate core count with its X8 mobile computing system. Markets like China seem to also demand more cores over better ones, which is why we see such a proliferation of quad-core Cortex A5/A7 designs. Apple has traditionally been sensible in this regard, even dating back to core count decisions in its Macs. I remembering reviewing an old iMac and pitting it against a Dell XPS One at the time. This was in the pre-power gating/turbo days. Dell went the route of more cores, while Apple chose for fewer, faster ones. It also put the CPU savings into a better GPU. You can guess which system ended out ahead.
In such a thermally constrained environment, going quad-core only makes sense if you can properly power gate/turbo up when some cores are idle. I have yet to see any mobile SoC vendor (with the exception of Intel with Bay Trail) do this properly, so until we hit that point the optimal target is likely two cores. You only need to look back at the evolution of the PC to come to the same conclusion. Before the arrival of Nehalem and Lynnfield, you always had to make a tradeoff between fewer faster cores and more of them. Gaming systems (and most users) tended to opt for the former, while those doing heavy multitasking went with the latter. Once we got architectures with good turbo, the 2 vs 4 discussion became one of cost and nothing more. I expect we’ll follow the same path in mobile.
Then there’s the frequency discussion. Brian and I have long been hinting at the sort of ridiculous frequency/voltage combinations mobile SoC vendors have been shipping at for nothing more than marketing purposes. I remember ARM telling me the ideal target for a Cortex A15 core in a smartphone was 1.2GHz. Samsung’s Exynos 5410 stuck four Cortex A15s in a phone with a max clock of 1.6GHz. The 5420 increases that to 1.7GHz. The problem with frequency scaling alone is that it typically comes at the price of higher voltage. There’s a quadratic relationship between voltage and power consumption, so it’s quite possibly one of the worst ways to get more performance. Brian even tweeted an image showing the frequency/voltage curve for a high-end mobile SoC. Note the huge increase in voltage required to deliver what amounts to another 100MHz in frequency.
The combination of both of these things gives us a basis for why Apple settled on two Swift cores running at 1.3GHz in the A6, and it’s also why the A7 comes with two cores running at the same max frequency. Interestingly enough, this is the same max non-turbo frequency Intel settled at for Bay Trail. Given a faster process (and turbo), I would expect to see Apple push higher frequencies but without those things, remaining conservative makes sense. I verified frequency through a combination of reporting tools and benchmarks. While it’s possible that I’m wrong, everything I’ve run on the device (both public and not) points to a 1.3GHz max frequency.
Verifying core count is a bit easier. Many benchmarks report core count, I also have some internal tools that do the same - all agreed on the same 2 cores/2 threads conclusion. Geekbench 3 breaks out both single and multithreaded performance results. I checked with the developer to ensure that the number of threads isn’t hard coded. The benchmark queries the max number of logical CPUs before spawning that number of threads. Looking at the ratio of single to multithreaded performance on the iPhone 5s, it’s safe to say that we’re dealing with a dual-core part.
Quoted from: http://www.anandtech.com/show/7335/the-iphone-5s-review/2
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I quoted due to the way it is worded. We saw these same issues with Desktops when we started moving to Quadcores. In most usage scenarios it was better to have fast dual core CPUs than to have quad core CPUs. It took some time for things to catch up and get to the point where the move made sense.
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My only worry is the longevity of the dual-core processor. It's great now, but what about after a couple of OS updates? The N5 will certainly hold up better than the Moto X in terms of longevity -- but I'm finding it hard to justify ditching the great form factor and convenience of Active Display/Touchless Control for better specs. I'm loving my Moto X and will not be ditching it for the way-too-big N5!
Also, it sounds like Kitkat will be coming out for the Moto X in a reasonable time. Motorola has already announced the phones that will be getting it and it seems a few insides on XDA are saying it'll be out soon. Here's to hoping service providers don't hold up that process too much.
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Keep in mind they made some big advances in memory management and efficiency within Android 4.4, ensuring that Kit Kat can run even on devices with 512 MB of RAM. My guess is, that may have actually lowered the load placed on our dual-core Snapdragon 600 (it is that, right?).
In addition, you can bet Motorola will do whatever it needs to in terms of optimizing code in order to ensure that Kit Kat runs chocolately smooth on our devices.
Samurai Drac said:
Keep in mind they made some big advances in memory management and efficiency within Android 4.4, ensuring that Kit Kat can run even on devices with 512 MB of RAM. My guess is, that may have actually lowered the load placed on our dual-core Snapdragon 600 (it is that, right?).
In addition, you can bet Motorola will do whatever it needs to in terms of optimizing code in order to ensure that Kit Kat runs chocolately smooth on our devices.
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Hey, I am using an old Defy+ and its time for me to change my phone. I'm having REALLY hard time picking between the X and the N5. When looking superficially on the specs, I get this image in my head that the X is slow compared to N5 due to processor. Can I get more info about this that will help me pick a phone?
BrokenWall said:
I use to want to flash my phone all the time, get a new ROM here and there. It originally started with wiping the phone every new flash. It started becoming a lengthy process to restore my apps and data that I use daily and things for work. So I started doing dirty flashes, then the ROMs would sometimes require a fresh flash due to instability.
With the MotoX that has all went away. I got 4.2.2 (I didn't see alot to 4.3 for my daily use) and still have root and system right access after the camera update. My phone is completely stable, and I get all the features I mainly use from ROMs using things like Xposed. (I still cant get the volume track control working, which I really use alot) and the phone is rock stable and doesn't require me to mess with kernels or tweak it with each new rom and build to get it right.
Now that I see 4.4 is coming and PwnMyMoto2 may be coming (no idea what it will do) I am sure I will stay with my Moto X. The Nexus 5 is great but I would be so tempted to ROM it and loosing Active Display would suck.
So for my playing needs I have my recently purchased Nexus 7 (2013) which I get to mess with all the time and no worries if it crashes or isn't stable.
TLDR: The Moto X is a solid performer and stable as hell for me and has cured my crack flashing cravings and shown me how a simple reliable phone can be perfect!
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I was just informed that the N5, as well as other devices, will be getting touchless controls too through the Kitkat update. This brings me back to square one! On one hand, the Moto X has great functionality in a nice package while the N5 has crazy specs in an too-big-to-properly-handle package.
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I was just informed that the N5, as well as other devices, will be getting touchless controls too through the Kitkat update. This brings me back to square one! One one hand, the Moto X has great functionality in a nice package while the N5 has crazy specs in an too-big-to-properly-handle package.
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The Nexus 5 is not getting complete Touchless controls. The phone is unable to wake from sleep to the sound of your command. While the phone is on it will respond to "OK, google" which is fine for most people. But the Moto X still has the edge since the co-processor is able to do more listening while the phone is completely asleep.
The Snapdragon 800 is suppose to have a low power cpu to handle these duties but it hasn't been put to the test by anyone to confirm if it will be able to do the same jobs as the extra cpus in the X8 Silicon.
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Hey, I am using an old Defy+ and its time for me to change my phone. I'm having REALLY hard time picking between the X and the N5. When looking superficially on the specs, I get this image in my head that the X is slow compared to N5 due to processor. Can I get more info about this that will help me pick a phone?
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While technically the processor is 'slower' than the Nexus 5, and the Nexus 5 has two additional cores, that doesn't mean that the Moto X doesn't have the processing power to run Android smoothly. It just means that the Nexus 5 has more power available to it should an application demand it.
Think of it this way... The Moto X is a four cylinder, 200 horsepower engine. Plenty to smoothly sail on the highway at 60 or 70 miles per hour. If you want to, you might even be able to fly by at 120 miles per hour. The Nexus 5 is a six cylinder, 400 horsepower engine. You can go up to 200 miles per hour. Either way though, most of your Android usage in a non gaming situation is going to be highway speed at 60 or 70 mph. Only when you turn on some serious mobile games or graphics intensive applications, or heavy number crunching benchmarks or pi-calculating apps, will you notice the difference in the engine horsepower between the two.
The N5 looks super sweet, but I spent more time ogling 4.4 than the N5. I mean, it's absolutely awesome (if you're not on Verizon) to get an off-contract phone for so cheap, and I'd imagine that you could buy a carrier-subsidized one for even cheaper. But 4.4's features are an even bigger selling point to me. It feels like they're adding more than they did in the past few JB updates, and all the features improve the quality of experience.
But, I'm sticking with the Moto X. Why? I just got it 48 hours ago. And I'm on Verizon. But aside from all of that, I've found that bigger phones just get easier for me to drop, and the X's combination of touchless controls and active notifications are way too good to pass up on.
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The Nexus 5 is not getting complete Touchless controls. The phone is unable to wake from sleep to the sound of your command. While the phone is on it will respond to "OK, google" which is fine for most people. But the Moto X still has the edge since the co-processor is able to do more listening while the phone is completely asleep.
The Snapdragon 800 is suppose to have a low power cpu to handle these duties but it hasn't been put to the test by anyone to confirm if it will be able to do the same jobs as the extra cpus in the X8 Silicon.
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Is that right? It won't recognize the voice commands when sleeping? I've decided to keep the Moto X but if what you say is true then that only makes me feel even better about my decision.
I have a Nexus 7 and see no reason to get a N5 to replace my Moto X.....or in general for that matter. I use my phone as a phone (yup), GPS, email, texting, pics of the kids every now and then, and minor web stuff. I found I don't need an Android update every two weeks, a quad core monster processor, or a 55 million PPI screen for anything.
I've always been an Android fan, I had the T-Mo G1 when it first came out - several Samsungs, Moto Atrix 4g and more. About 3 years ago I started working for the Jobs Mob (Apple) supporting iOS and decided to finally pick up an iPhone 6 to see what the hype is about. Part of it was, I've been supporting iOS for some years however never used an iPhone before - the irony. Oh, and when customers asked if I loved my new iPhone, I said - "Well, I have a Nexus 4 but I'm very happy for you and your new awesome iPhone"!
LG G4 vs iPhone 6:
iPhone: I've used iOS with Jailbreak running noslowanimations, wicked fast between apps and always ready to go in an instant
G4: Some noticeable lag, sometimes annoying to enraging between switching apps - even when closing all apps and starting fresh. Once/if root, will be removing all bloat and possibly overclocking if still laggy. Maybe Android M will be better or maybe I need to force GPU rendering?
iPhone: Root access via Jailbreak - hosts file blocker and other tweaks. Many devs to work on single jailbreak for all models (per iOS version)
G4: Ditto but possibly soon, fragmented per device efforts. One may argue when open bootloader and Root, more advanced modifications are available. I'm really hating current carrier+vendor efforts to lock down devices.. Yes, from a customer service standpoint - I wouldn't want to support (or tell them they are SOL) if the device is customized, but the no downgrade, permalocked bootloader garbage is getting old (don't get me started and forced OTAs - iOS doesn't even have that). At least offer "developer" models through carriers (in b4 "just get a nexus").
iPhone: Awesome camera, slowmo and burst mode. Seems to handle motion very well
G4: Also awesome camera. Seems to be a bit motion sensitive and more care is required to prevent blurry photos. No slowmo. Cool friggin lazer tech, need to shoot more photos to realize full potential and PHOTO SPHERE!
iPhone: SiRi virtual assistant. Somewhat mediocre - crappy maps (even currently). No way to choose default apps to handle requests
G4: Google Now wipes the floor with SiRi, default app selection - more relevant results, awesome maps and email integration. With Android M, going to be even better! Questionable privacy practices, night vs day between philosophy as Google = Ads revenue vs Apple = hardware revenue.
iPhone: Default-stock software is decent for what it is. Easy to pick up any iOS device and get started straight away. Yet again, no carrier bloat (although Stocks, Newsstand and the Apple Watch app can qualify as bloat)
G4: Android carrier+vendor ROMs are always a mixed bag with each one being different with various quality of apps. CARRIER BLOATWARE.
iPhone: Available Apps are mostly slick, polished and work well - some may argue that some apps are dumbed down. Lots of paid apps, devs want money, restrictive app approval process
Android: More advanced apps, more are unpolished but free. More open approval process. I love aCar, Torque and others not available on iOS
Overall: I was an Android fanboy but after using iOS for a good year - I believe each have their own place. I used to say, get iOS if you just want something that works out of the box, get Android if you want to customize. But with the trend of locking down devices - not too sure anymore. TBH, I should've just gotten a Nexus 6 (but then I would of regretted no SD expansion)... Regardless, I'm happy the iPhone is on eBay but honestly - it wasn't an absolutely necessary purchase as I thought going in. Let's see how Android M polishes things up this fall.
The camera has slow mo feature. It's sorta hidden but it's there
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If you don't like the animations (if they make things feel slow) you can disable them entirely in developer options
Is funny how every android phone review says with next android version will get better but here we are with android L and nothing has changed.
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Seems about right and is a fairly good comparison to Android vs iOS overall. This is the first Android phone that I've had that really has the chops in the camera department.
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Is funny how every android phone review says with next android version will get better but here we are with android L and nothing has changed.
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lollipop on the nexus 5 is by far the smoothest mobile OS i have ever used. there is no lag, anywhere, and its a 2yr old device. it holds its own in UI smoothness even compared to an iphone 6. that's the result of google optimizing the **** out of it! if the 2015 nexus 5 is even decent, i am switching right back. there is no contender when you want a smooth phone other than the nexus line. however, after i disabled every single LG and AT&T app, my H810 has gotten pretty damn smooth. i'd say almost as smooth as my nexus 5. there's some minor lag when scrolling still, and switching between apps. but otherwise, it got a lot faster then out of the box new
Honestly I am starting to think something is wonky. I have the G4 (SD808) and the LG X8.3 (SD615) and both stutter around. My SnapDragon 400 LG GPad 7 on CM 12.1 runs fluid and so does my 2013 Nexus 7. Even my G2 seemed to run better/par.
I know the newer chips are great chips, so either LG has something boinked up with the latest builds or they have an app that just is killing resources. Whatever it is, I hope they fix it soon.
The locked down nature is just like you're on an iPhone. I'm starting to regret the purchase.
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lollipop on the nexus 5 is by far the smoothest mobile OS i have ever used. there is no lag, anywhere, and its a 2yr old device. it holds its own in UI smoothness even compared to an iphone 6. that's the result of google optimizing the **** out of it! if the 2015 nexus 5 is even decent, i am switching right back. there is no contender when you want a smooth phone other than the nexus line. however, after i disabled every single LG and AT&T app, my H810 has gotten pretty damn smooth. i'd say almost as smooth as my nexus 5. there's some minor lag when scrolling still, and switching between apps. but otherwise, it got a lot faster then out of the box new
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Hahaha right?! My rooted nexus 5 was like a hummingbird on coke
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Hahaha right?! My rooted nexus 5 was like a hummingbird on coke
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As was my M8 on Sense based Viper rom. It made Nexus 5 feel laggy. Lg has something wrong with it as for example battery life is either great or worst that I have seen sense SGS2. One example is the random location icon appearkng with no idea what app uses it. And thst was with all the Google location based stuff disabled. I got rid of it disabling Lg apps and my battery life got much better.
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I am considering moving from Note 4 to one of these. I think one of my bites into performance (particulary multitasking performance) is the 3GB of RAM.
Of course, this won't have all the bloatware as the Note, but then I have a lot of it 'disabled' anyway.
I'm assuming a lot here are Moto experienced, so thought I'd ask. Do you think 3GB would be enough? I have ~ 150 apps on my phone. Don't use for gaming. But on the road, I might have a car mode app running, GPS Navigation; Music streaming all simultaneously.
It'll be more than enough.
The Note 4 also has 3GB of Ram, so as far as memory goes, the Moto X should be "faster" since it also has less bloatware and a newer/better processor. Whether or not this will be true in reality is unknown, but all the evidence is pointing toward the Moto X Style thus far.
Wish it had 24 gigs @3600 Hz. With 1,000,000 mah ion battery. And 4k 3840 x 2160p full-array LED backlight. 24x camera zoom. Also SSD of 1 TB. Night vision aperture. And face and hand reader. Only be the size of 4.2" and weigh lighter than a piece of paper. So no 3 gigs is not enough.
It's all depends on how much the startup steals, i just read that the Note 5 is using over 2 GB just to get TW up and running.
So, in Motorolas case, its all good but not in Sammys
I think 3G should enough if you don't run any Samsung apps on it.
Yeah Samsung and their touchwiz is crap. One of the main reasons I am leaving Samsung and buying a Moto X.
3GB of RAM is plenty if you ask me. Its all about how well Motorola optimise it and I'm sure they will manage nicely.
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I'm sure 3gb will be enough for the moto x, it shouldn't have any bloat on it. My verizon S5 has a bunch of carrier bloat on it and only 2gb of ram and I can make it stall pretty hard just using the browser and streaming pandora.
5.1.1 fixes several of memory leaks that have been plaguing the android phones since kitkat (or even before) and early 5.0. So, Note4 is suffering from those bugs as well.
So, with 3GB of memory on X you should get an experience which is similar to 6GB on Note4 (if it had 6GB) which I presume does not run 5.1 yet. Accounting for the bloat that Samsung apps introduce.
I am running CM12.1 with 5.1.1 on Moto G (2014) and its much better than kitkat or 5.0 lollipop experience I had. It feels a whole different phone altogether.
Why wouldn't it be enough?
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Why wouldn't it be enough?
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Can't believe I'm agreein with an iPhone user [emoji6] ... Just kidding lol.
As an example you've only got 1GB on your iPhone 6 ... it goes to show its all about the software and not always about hardware.
RAM is over rated if you ask me. Crap software will be crap regardless of how much RAM a phone has or hasnt got. And hopefully Moto X doesnt dissapoint us like Samdung ... who have loads of RAM but their phones still lag like crazy.
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Why wouldn't it be enough?
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For the reason I stated in the quesiton...running lots of apps.
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Can't believe I'm agreein with an iPhone user [emoji6] ... Just kidding lol.
As an example you've only got 1GB on your iPhone 6 ... it goes to show its all about the software and not always about hardware.
RAM is over rated if you ask me. Crap software will be crap regardless of how much RAM a phone has or hasnt got. And hopefully Moto X doesnt dissapoint us like Samdung ... who have loads of RAM but their phones still lag like crazy.
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Actually, if I were able to root (I'm on AT&T, and unfortunately cannot), I could run an app that determines what loads when. But without that, it loads all kinds of apps even though I'm not using them. (Maybe I'm the only one, but I consider that a poor design/implementation of software management by Android). Add all those to the bloat, it does get laggy...especially if multitasking.
Generally using, it performs great. But just as one example of multitasking where I notice it very laggy: Going for a walk, tracking with MyTracks; playing music via BT headset; receive message...opening message very slow.
Having been a Samsung addict for a long time, I haven't experienced non-Samsung. So, wasn't sure about others. I always read users disparage of Samsung and it's software, but as noted I've always been able to get past that due to rooting, etc. But not any more.
So, I"m ready to move away from Samsung...but then feel I should get the most I can get. Don't want to move away to then be disappointed.
I"m pretty much convinced that 3GB will be fine...for now. But as time goes on, more and more useful apps will be coming out. I feel that 4GB will give me a certain amount of longer time to be able to stick with the phone, whichever one I get.
iPhones only need 1GB of ram to run smoothly without any lag
Android users complain 3GB is not enough............*sigh* -_-
@ewingr that doesn't make sense though. Until the Zenfone 2 all we knew was 3GB of ram and it has always been plenty especially for phone s that were running stock android, only phones that were "struggling" we're Samsung phone with the heavy touch wiz. The M8 with 2GB of ram had plenty of ram to spare. Now that 4GB is available all of a sudden 3GB becomes a concern.... I don't get it but ok.
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@ewingr that doesn't make sense though. Until the Zenfone 2 all we knew was 3GB of ram and it has always been plenty especially for phone s that were running stock android, only phones that were "struggling" we're Samsung phone with the heavy touch wiz. The M8 with 2GB of ram had plenty of ram to spare. Now that 4GB is available all of a sudden 3GB becomes a concern.... I don't get it but ok.
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All I can tell you is that is what I"m experiencing. Again...it may in fact be the TouchWiz as people complain about. (I use a different launcher...I really don't know how that plays into it).
But, ... The fact is in the end, I get short on RAM. When I flush it all, it operates faster. Given that, I don';t see how it can't make sense that 4GB over 3 GB would be better, and possibly necessary if running a lot of apps.
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iPhones only need 1GB of ram to run smoothly without any lag
Android users complain 3GB is not enough............*sigh* -_-
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Ram is about multitasking. Not sbout smoothness.
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All I can tell you is that is what I"m experiencing. Again...it may in fact be the TouchWiz as people complain about. (I use a different launcher...I really don't know how that plays into it).
But, ... The fact is in the end, I get short on RAM. When I flush it all, it operates faster. Given that, I don';t see how it can't make sense that 4GB over 3 GB would be better, and possibly necessary if running a lot of apps.
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Don't be afraid, man. When my nexus 4 was still alive I could throw anything at it, and it would never lag or eat up more than 1.3 GBs of RAM. And that was a 2012 phone.
Samsung just can't keep up with its own software, so they sell you their top of the line hardware, at high prices, to compensate for their inability to optimise. Moto and nexus are just a completely different world
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Ram is about multitasking. Not sbout smoothness.
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to a degree. it is about running multi applications at once but that also has an effect on smoothness. if the phone struggles to run multiple things it will not be smooth, that is simple. and the iphone has much much better code/software then android. 3 gb should be enough. my note 4 does not have any smoothness issues still running kitkat too i might add!
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to a degree. it is about running multi applications at once but that also has an effect on smoothness. if the phone struggles to run multiple things it will not be smooth, that is simple. and the iphone has much much better code/software then android. 3 gb should be enough. my note 4 does not have any smoothness issues still running kitkat too i might add!
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Don't really agree that iOS has better code than android. A lot of apps now have moved over to using something like apache cordova / nativescript and write one app (in JavaScriptl) which is then able to run on each platform. However, Apple has a better vetting process so in general, I've seen apps that have memory leak issues or are just plain bad when it comes to memory be not allowed to the store. Google's vetting process isn't as strict AFAIK - could be wrong - so there's that element to it.
So my status now is that I ordered T-Mobile Note 4 that I can root and rom. I'll try a less bloated ROM and see how it goes. That'll give time to get the new Moto Pure in, and Nexus phones in , and see how the reviews go. Maybe I'll be happy with the rooted Note 4.
Really, really disappointed from day 1, worst battery life, insufficient ram, laggy here and there, memory leaks and redraws, black smudges on white screen while scrolling, this is my second replacement, and Android 6.0 which I had I hopes for fixing the nexus 9 is even worse, I just moved back to lollipop the new build lmy48t.
I'm selling my nexus 9, I love nexus and their products, I own a nexus 5 and nexus 7, they both get more battery than the nexus 9, they are faster than the nexus 9, nor have I had a bad experiences with them, they both have 2gb ram and can open crazy tons of apps without redraws or any lock ups, $610 AU dollars in the trash, buying either a new nexus 7 2013 or a Samsung tab s2. Don't say oh factory reset, bro I've tried all ROMs, ive done 1000s of factory resets and this crap ain't working with me, the only thing the nexus 9 hasn't let me down is gaming that's IT!!!, BESIDES ITS A BLOODY HEATER, 80 DEGRESS Celsius, I'll probably use this as a heater in winter.
Totally agree, can't wait till the pixel c is out!
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Totally agree, can't wait till the pixel c is out!
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True due to 3gb ram, however I can't trust nvidia mobile processes anymore, htc one x, the nexus 7 2012 and the nexus 9, have both very bad heating problems as well as performance issues thanks to thermal throttling and memory leaks.
this time around, I'll wait for many solid reviews.
I was too excited when I ditched my ipad 2 (2011).
Did you try DU?
Also did you try an custom kernel?
Was excited to purchase but very disappointed due to the lag, seriously laggy and poor performance. Fortunately bought this on reduced price so didn't hurt so much, had I paid original price would have been very annoyed. Also can return within 14 days so will take the opportunity to do that.
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Did you try DU?
Also did you try an custom kernel?
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Brother, I love ur work and effort on ur kernels and mods, I've tried DU, cm, aicp, mokee from, vanir exodus, pa, etc....
And all kernels , and still the same, I just went on Bros nexus 7 2013, opens 10 apps and no memory leak nor redraws and still has so much ram left, did the same thing on nexus 9, redraws for every app, ????, its RUBBISH, 1 year of tolerating this is so dam annoying,
Actually, I just tried experimenting with the elemental x kernel. So far it's smoother. We'll see after a month.
All problem because google want to use the Tegra K1 chipset. Terrible battery drink, lag and hot enough to cook some egg. Really disappointed about what a 6.700 mah battery can do. If the nexus 9 is running snap 800, 801 or 805 i think it will perfect device. But i still happy with my Nexus cause i'm a big fan of HTC and waiting their tablet for along time.
This sh*t is getting so old.
I bet if you go to any device's forum on xda you'll find complaints about it being "laggy". Every one. So you better just deal with it because you'll be complaining about it with whatever you buy next too.
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This sh*t is getting so old.
I bet if you go to any device's forum on xda you'll find complaints about it being "laggy". Every one. So you better just deal with it because you'll be complaining about it with whatever you buy next too.
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he said since Day 1.. so why not return it!!
I've owned dozens of tablets of various makes and models. The forum complaints are pretty universal for every one I have owned. Laggy performance, poor customer service, taking for eeeevvverr to get updates. Along with the typical threat of "i will never buy xyz tablet again!".
Personally am liking my nexus 9. It is kind of a unique device. 4:3 ratio, front facing speakers front of the line privileges for Android updates. Mine is a 32gb lte model and I got it on craigslist for 200 bucks, so, what's not to like?
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I've owned dozens of tablets of various makes and models. The forum complaints are pretty universal for every one I have owned. Laggy performance, poor customer service, taking for eeeevvverr to get updates. Along with the typical threat of "i will never buy xyz tablet again!".
Personally am liking my nexus 9. It is kind of a unique device. 4:3 ratio, front facing speakers front of the line privileges for Android updates. Mine is a 32gb lte model and I got it on craigslist for 200 bucks, so, what's not to like?
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I love all the features but the software part is killing the tablet
I guess I am a pretty light user. I mean I am on the thing constantly but I don't play games or do anything that would really tax the system. YouTube, news feeds, Facebook, forums E-mail. Everything I do works just dandy. My two daily drivers are this nexus 9 and a Samsung Galaxy tab pro 8.4. The screen is definitely better on the Samsung. The Samsung does get hot if too many apps are open. The nexus has gotten hot a few times but I just close all recent apps and it cools right down. I like the 4:3 ratio on the nexus but it is definitely much heavier than the Samsung. Speakers are unbeatable on the nexus but they are pretty darn good on the tab pro as well. Both tablets are on the night stand but I tend to grab the nexus most of the time.
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I love all the features but the software part is killing the tablet
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I have to agree. I love the hardware but there is something wrong with the software. I'm coming from the Nexus 7 2013 and that can handle multiple chrome tabs open without having to constantly refresh them.
It concerns me that Google/Nvidia don't seem to be sorting these issues out.
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I have to agree. I love the hardware but there is something wrong with the software.
It concerns me that Google/Nvidia don't seem to be sorting these issues out.
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IMHO,
the problem is the 64bit Android running on only 2GB RAM => bad combination of software and hardware.
And it's actually only 1.8 GB available RAM. Of this Android OS alone is using 680MB on this device.
Compare that with the 32bit N5 where AndroidOS uses half of that. Other apps show similar numbers when you compare them running on 32bit vs. 64bit. This adds up quickly. Then the only thing the OS can do is kill apps in order to run another one etc.
Nothing Google or Nvidia could do about this, apart from sending out hardware upgrade kits with 4GB (actually this would be cool)
Now, despite this, I like the N9, I like the 4:3 screen for reading! And when mostly reading (Newsreader, Firefox, PlayBook, Kindle) I can get 10 hours usage. Pro-Tip, no root required:
Code:
adb wait-for-device shell wm density 266
Of course the situation changes when I fire up a game that keeps GPU/CPU at max frequency the whole time - then I'm lucky to get 3 hours, without burning my left hand from handling the pretty hot left edge.
This is the sad situation that forces me to root again now that the N9 is running "M": just to be able to down-clock that CPU/GPU monster.
I never experienced lag until I upgraded to Marshmallow. Now that I'm back on Lollipop all is good again. I admit it does run hot when running games, but as for battery life I've never had a device that performed better. I'm very happy with it, but sorry to hear you think it's the worst tablet in the world.
I guess I'm lucky. I initially swapped my first unit because of lightbleed, but I don't have severe lag, redraw, or memory-leak issues. Not any more than on any other Android device I've owned. If anything, things look better, sound better. My only complaint is also my own fault: 16gb, instead of 32gb. I can't do mass-updates from the Play Store, because there just isn't enough space. I blame Hearthstone, but that's another conversation entirely
Hey taronas,what exactly will that code do if I enter it via adb?
Cheers pal.
taronas said:
IMHO,
the problem is the 64bit Android running on only 2GB RAM => bad combination of software and hardware.
And it's actually only 1.8 GB available RAM. Of this Android OS alone is using 680MB on this device.
Compare that with the 32bit N5 where AndroidOS uses half of that. Other apps show similar numbers when you compare them running on 32bit vs. 64bit. This adds up quickly. Then the only thing the OS can do is kill apps in order to run another one etc.
Nothing Google or Nvidia could do about this, apart from sending out hardware upgrade kits with 4GB (actually this would be cool)
Now, despite this, I like the N9, I like the 4:3 screen for reading! And when mostly reading (Newsreader, Firefox, PlayBook, Kindle) I can get 10 hours usage. Pro-Tip, no root required:
Code:
adb wait-for-device shell wm density 266
Of course the situation changes when I fire up a game that keeps GPU/CPU at max frequency the whole time - then I'm lucky to get 3 hours, without burning my left hand from handling the pretty hot left edge.
This is the sad situation that forces me to root again now that the N9 is running "M": just to be able to down-clock that CPU/GPU monster.
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What adb wait for device ...improve? @taronas?
Envoyé de mon Nexus 9 en utilisant Tapatalk
http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/0...oogle-store-in-a-puff-of-underwhelming-smoke/
Its so sad to see Google our lord and savior pull the plug on our Nexus 9 :crying:
So guys did the Nexus 9 deserve all the hate it got?
Edit: this does not mean support for it has been dropped it just means you can't buy it at google anymore.
The stock experience of Nexus 9 is not great (quite bad actually). But with good custom rom and kernel i very much enjoy it.
For me, it deserved a lot of it. Mine is still working but just had to do one of the required, every-other-month wipes to prevent issues (lag, reboots). The screen size (and quality) is still perfect for me which is why I moved from n7 2013. Altering dpi settings helped with some lag, esp. Chrome. I can't help but wonder if one more GB of ram wouldn't have totally changed how this device works. For the $, it should have been there. It seems HTC did a particularly poor job with policy/warranty repairs.
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18 month support?
So Google have always said that they support their Nexus devices with official firmware for 18 months but does that mean from device release date or from when they stop manufacture and the device and cannot be purchased anymore?
It wouldn't be fair for someone to have bought the device last week only to find the official firmware would soon stop...
I know that the N9 will get Android 'N' but would that be it?
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So Google have always said that they support their Nexus devices with official firmware for 18 months but does that mean from device release date or from when they stop manufacture and the device and cannot be purchased anymore?
It wouldn't be fair for someone to have bought the device last week only to find the official firmware would soon stop...
I know that the N9 will get Android 'N' but would that be it?
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At this point I would consider it to be possible for the N9 to get O, but ultimately we'll have to wait and see
I don't think the device on its own is that bad, (apart from the lightbleed.) All the hate should be directed at Google for not sorting out the issues and not asking HTC for a 3GB device from day 1. :crying:
My N9 has been OK. A bit of light bleed but not an issue. Run custom Rom from new and it does everything goes I want it to do smoothly.
I love the device but for a tablet, I feel they kinda skimped on the specs a little... to a degree that its pretty noticeable especially with many of the latest changes to android requiring more processing power and the fact that a tablet ought to be able to easily handle multi-tasking. It almost seems like their design is more proof of concept based rather than user satisfaction. Either that or they are doing too much and drop the ball on some stuff.
I regret paying so much and getting so little. I will never buy a new device, only after 6 months!
^ Yes, what he said. At $250, this is a great tablet, but for $400 this tablet is a total disappointment.
You don't pay for a BMW, and expect to get a Toyota.
Sure, 3 GB of RAM would have gone a long way to improving this device, but the shoddy construction of the first batch of N9's is simply inexcusable.
Not to mention, the poor quality of the motherboards, which are now failing, leaving many users with a device that crashes when battery gets below 40%.
The reason I'm not buying a pixel c, is because of my experience with the N9.
If 6 months from now, the pixel c still proves to be a quality product, then I'll look at picking one up (once they're on sale, of course)
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^ Yes, what he said. At $250, this is a great tablet, but for $400 this tablet is a total disappointment.
You don't pay for a BMW, and expect to get a Toyota.
Sure, 3 GB of RAM would have gone a long way to improving this device, but the shoddy construction of the first batch of N9's is simply inexcusable.
Not to mention, the poor quality of the motherboards, which are now failing, leaving many users with a device that crashes when battery gets below 40%.
The reason I'm not buying a pixel c, is because of my experience with the N9.
If 6 months from now, the pixel c still proves to be a quality product, then I'll look at picking one up (once they're on sale, of course)
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I enjoy mine, and I like large tablets. With the rumored new Nexus 7, I'll probably grab a pixel c around Christmas if there's no new large Nexus. 7" just doesn't make sense to me with the size of phones.
no, I got two and they are great devices..
No. Though the stock firmware has a bad experience, we still have lots of custom roms and they're great.
If I would have paid $400 for mine I would definitely hate it, but I got it for around $250 directly from HTC in one of those flash sales and I've been pretty happy.
Even if it hurts to say it, as an android fan, for $400 I would rather save a little bit more and grab an Ipad. I had an Ipad 2 for like 3 years and that damn thing never quit, still lasted like 11hrs Sot and even months sleeping (for real). Finally gave it to my GF and her 5yo niece uses and abuses it and that thing still works flawlessly, it's incredible.
Whilst owning the N9 and running CM13, I also picked up a LG v500 for only £70. I put CM13 on the v500 and the performance shows up the N9 for smoothness, consistency and multitasking. This goes against all the benchmarks where the N9 is significantly faster.
With nothing running, the N9 is smoother. Load up a ton of things in the Ram, and it all comes crashing down for the N9 whereas the v500 is still as smooth and speedy as when little is in Ram.
As the N9 was gathering dust, I got rid. R.I.P. Nexus 9.
seems like disabling certain content providers and their corresponding services/receivers for the google play services app has made more than a significant improvement for me. I usually try not to mess with that stuff since it could really screw stuff up too. also, do not deny permissions for anything google. use xposed AppOps to control those. completetely different experience. sad that Google's objective is far more important than user experience.
I paid full price on release day. I hate my decision. This is life. Learn by mistakes.
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I paid full price on release day. I hate my decision. This is life. Learn by mistakes.
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So did I and I love mine!
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So did I and I love mine!
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Just curious, can you tell me what rom are you using in your nexus 9 ? Don't tell me the kernel also, I know that already.
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Just curious, can you tell me what rom are you using in your nexus 9 ? Don't tell me the kernel also, I know that already.
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I was using Pure Nexus
But I built myself AOSP so I'm using that at the moment
Kernel what how lol