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Hopefully this is an ok location for this topic. I know previously there were rumors about the possibility of multiple nexus smartphones. Following the 10/29 announcement of the 5, 7, and 10, is this all we should expect? Or is a HTC Nexus 5 based on the Butterfly still something that coudl happen
No. If there was going to be a Nexus 5, it would have been announced with the other devices.
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Hopefully this is an ok location for this topic. I know previously there were rumors about the possibility of multiple nexus smartphones. Following the 10/29 announcement of the 5, 7, and 10, is this all we should expect? Or is a HTC Nexus 5 based on the Butterfly still something that coudl happen
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I think you are dreaming mate!
I think we will have the 4, 7 & 10 until next October when they announce the next Nexus?
I wouldn't bet on it
StuMcBill said:
I think you are dreaming mate!
I think we will have the 4, 7 & 10 until next October when they announce the next Nexus?
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Thanks, I guess it was wishful thinking on my part. Nexus 4 here we go!
I'd put all my money on there not being multiple Nexii. Rumors are rumors.
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I'd put all my money on there not being multiple Nexii. Rumors are rumors.
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Actually there were "multiple Nexus devices" this year made by many different manufacturers. It was never assumed that they would all be phones.
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Actually there were "multiple Nexus devices" this year made by many different manufacturers. It was never assumed that they would all be phones.
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I guess that got cleared out. Samsung, LG, Asus: 3 new Nexus devices.
I wouldn't expect any new nexus devices until android 5.0....Google never releases a new device without a new software release to power it.
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Actually there were "multiple Nexus devices" this year made by many different manufacturers. It was never assumed that they would all be phones.
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D'oh, you're right.
I herped a derp there. Disregard, I have two cats.
gideonMorrison said:
I guess that got cleared out. Samsung, LG, Asus: 3 new Nexus devices.
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Dont forget the ever popular Nexus Q.
Somehow.. launching Android 5 with a Nexus 5.. kinda makes sense
forsakened said:
Somehow.. launching Android 5 with a Nexus 5.. kinda makes sense
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with a 5" display
Red Wolf said:
with a 5" display
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Most definitely. Google's official Phablet
Red Wolf said:
with a 5" display
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And an 5 Core Processor + 5G RAM + 5MPx Cam ( fail?) and iPhone 5 Killer
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They typically release a new Nexus phone every 9-12 months.
10" tablet by samsung
7" tablet by asus
4.7" smartphone by LG
apparently there are supposed to be 5 nexus devices this year.. one of them being HTC based on the butterfly a 5-5.5inch 'phablet' ... and another device by motorola i think
i doubt the last 2 are gonna make an appearance this year
In that Verge video, they did say other manufacturers also tried out to be the company making the Nexus 4, so maybe those prototypes that other companies sent in might have been considered potentially released along with the LG one, but Google decided to only go with one of them.
My gut says if you want a 5" phone, you'll have to snag a Note II and put a custom ROM on it.
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IIRC the rumors of 5 Nexii or so came before IO 2012. So:
1. Nexus 7
2. Nexus 4
3 Nexus 10
4. Nexus Q (even though it wasn't released for long, the rumors said 5 before it didn't do well I believe)
5. 3G Nexus 7? Who knows-- maybe a fifth was cut or the rumors were just rumors.
There's been a lot of speculation about just how Nexus-like the Galaxy S4 and HTC One Google Play edition phones will be, particularly from a technical / software update standpoint. Now, we have some relatively concrete information that sheds light on these issues.
First and foremost, Google will not directly handle software updates for Google Play edition devices. This has been reported as true, false, and generally disputed quite a lot in the lead-up to the launch. We know for a fact now (thanks to Anandtech) that while Google will supply the necessary Android builds to OEMs, the OEMs will be responsible for maintenance of kernels and all the various drivers and firmware pieces necessary for their specific device. The result is that Google gives the OEMs the Android build, and it's then up to the OEMs to make that build work on their Google Play edition device and perform the act of actually updating the phone. Google has issued an official statement that works very hard to not expressly deny that they won't be handling the updates (Droid-life):
What's this mean for you? It means that at the end of the day, the onus to update these phones will still be on Samsung and HTC. They will be able to circumvent the carrier certification runaround, and will in theory have much less work to do in maintaining these devices, but the responsibility still falls to them, not Google. This could mean any number of things. It could mean these phones will get updates within days of their Nexus counterparts. But more likely weeks, and possibly even months depending how much attention these phones are actually given by HTC and Samsung. I wouldn't say months is what we should expect, but I'm also saying such a gap is entirely within the realm of possibility. You have to remember, these phones will sell in miniscule quantities compared to their skinned brethren, and that means they aren't as high up on the value chain for software update attention. While it's certainly worth being optimistic about the update process, there's still plenty of reason to temper those expectations until we see these devices receive their first major Android release update.
he second thing we've learned is that Google will not host factory OS images for Google Play edition devices (see JBQ's post on this topic here). This will be up to Samsung and HTC, if they choose to do so. Google will also not be hosting any proprietary binaries (essentially, drivers) for these phones (again, see JBQ). Release of any binaries is, once again, up to Samsung and HTC. Taken together, all this information - as you may already have guessed long ago - means there is very little chance we'll ever see these phones supported in AOSP. It's not impossible, but it is extremely unlikely.
So there you have it: that's basically the nuts and bolts of what doesn't make the Google Play edition HTC One and Galaxy S4 Nexuses. Does this put a damper on the situation, or is it immaterial? Let us know in the comments.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...play-edition-one-or-s4-oems-will-handle-otas/
welp this sucks !
I am not flashing this until first update comes out to see how fast they actually are, ridiculous decision.
H-Streety said:
I am not flashing this until first update comes out to see how fast they actually are, ridiculous decision.
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Since we will probably be on 4.2.2 for a while you're going to be waiting.
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Possibly, but I am not losing my IR blaster and camera app for half-supported stock Android. If HTC will push out the update within a week or two after it comes out for Nexus devices, then I will definitely flash it, if not then I don't see the point of it. I would rather do S-OFF + Super Cid and still enjoy all these things than losing too many good things for basically just stock Android.
Nexus Experience Device not Nexus Device
That's really unfortunate.
Pretty ridiculous actually.
-Sent from Marino's One-
Did you really expect more? Google never said they would be Nexus devices or supported by AOSP. They are Nexus "Experience" devices... hence they offer the same feel without being the same.
Sorry to burst your bubble.... that said I think there will be dedication on the part of HTC and Samsung to get updates.. there isn't any excuse and you know if the device is on Google Play then el'Goog will be pressuring them to not delay
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It states in Google play that both devices will get automatic updates of the latest android version.
I believe that more that others guessing about it.
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It states in Google play that both devices will get automatic updates of the latest android version.
I believe that more that others guessing about it.
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Zero timeline given. It will get it. The second it's released? No. A month after? Maybe.
Yep, OP...sure this is stock AOSP, but if anyone thinks the S4 and One will be updated the instant the Nexus line is, they are smoking some serious ****.
Samsung and HTC still have a role in this, ala Verizon (CDMA) Galaxy Nexus. It will slow things down. It's on HTC and Samsung to instantly update their proprietary apps to play well with AOSP. We've all seen that movie before, now have we?
Sigh. Can of worms. I called it. Once you integrate manufacturer specific features into AOSP (Beats, Zoe, etc) it WILL slow down the instant (expected) release of AOSP to "OMG PURE GOOGLE) phones. Psst: they aren't Nexi.
Just deal with it. I cringe for the blasting posts from those who got the One/S4 AOSP editions once the newest Android OS is pushed out...to the Nexus line first.
I see it now:
"THE NEXUS 4 JUST GOT 5.0. WHERE IS MY KLP ON MY ONE/S4 GOOGLE!??? PETITION STARTED!!!!1111"
And so on. Grabs popcorn.
Edit: thought I'd paste in a quote I just read that summarizes this situation quite well:
I don't see the point of these devices anymore. You lose out on the few customization that OEMs provided that weren't useless (fully functional Beats, camera software, improved text messaging and browser apps, etc.) for a vanilla experience that is nearly indistinguishable from the OEM version running a custom launcher. And no guarantee of fast updates.
You'd have to be a dummy to buy these phones from the Play store.
Thankfully I have an unlocked T-Mobile One. I'll just use it or flash whatever, whenever. Paid $450 for it and am very happy with my gamble.
So the question still remains, could someone possibly take whatever HTC releases for the GE version and put that on a carrier locked or Dev edition phone? Sorry for my lack of understanding here, but I'm just trying to figure out which phone to buy at this point.
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It states in Google play that both devices will get automatic updates of the latest android version. I believe that more that others guessing about it.
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Automatic = sent directly to the phone.
Updates = it'll be updated.
Latest Android version = it'll get newer versions of Android.
The key words that are missing are "when" and “from whom.” I guess people can read in to that statement what they want but nothing in it makes what OP posted untrue. With so many phones orphaned on old versions of Android that statement could be as benign as "your phone will keep up with Android releases."
BarryH_GEG said:
Automatic = sent directly to the phone.
Updates = it'll be updated.
Latest Android version = it'll get newer versions of Android.
The key words that are missing are "when" and “from whom.” I guess people can read in to that statement what they want but nothing in it makes what OP posted untrue. With so many phones orphaned on old versions of Android that statement could be as benign as "your phone will keep up with Android releases."
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google is the only one who can update aosp devices..nobody else
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...play-edition-one-or-s4-oems-will-handle-otas/
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http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...play-edition-one-or-s4-oems-will-handle-otas/
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you are a thick one aren't you lol
hello00 said:
google is the only one who can update aosp devices..nobody else
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The first post says it isn't an AOSP device, Google isn't managing the proprietary drivers, they aren't posting the s/w images, and they aren't responsible for pushing out updates. So your statement is true; for Nexus devices. "Play Edition's" aren't Nexus devices.
The fact that it doesn't say the below which Google says about their devices probably means what OP posted is true.
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Argenist said:
So the question still remains, could someone possibly take whatever HTC releases for the GE version and put that on a carrier locked or Dev edition phone? Sorry for my lack of understanding here, but I'm just trying to figure out which phone to buy at this point.
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You can flash whatever you want. Nothing new here.
I say get the phone with the most bands for resale and every day use. Hint. It isn't the Google or Dev one.
Unlock it for $7 and never look back.
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You can flash whatever you want. Nothing new here.
I say get the phone with the most bands. Hint. It isn't the Google or Dev one.
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Understood, but would matter then to get the GE version over the Dev?
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Understood, but would matter then to get the GE version over the Dev?
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They don't ship until July 9 so no one knows.
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hello00 said:
google is the only one who can update aosp devices..nobody else
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Not true..
This situation has been done before. The OG Droid (Sholes) was not a Nexus but ran vanilla software. Updates came but abit later. They came from Motorola.
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Is it out yet ?
My Nexus 10 got an update 2 days ago, but still nothing for google edition
Google edition ≠ Nexus :silly: so the update made by manufacturers
yahyoh said:
Google edition ≠ Nexus :silly: so the update made by manufacturers
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where is the source of your information ?
Google explicitly mentioned that GE update will follow Nexus line.
jodvova said:
where is the source of your information ?
Google explicitly mentioned that GE update will follow Nexus line.
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This is axiom, not need to proove it really
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Google explicitly mentioned that GE update will follow Nexus line.
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This is somewhat correct and incorrect. While the GE version is based on Google's image, it's not released by Google. Samsung is adding its own proprietary code, namely support for the flip and clock covers as well as its other proprietary accessories, so the code is compiled and distributed by Samsung. You're not gaining the Nexus "zero day" release cycle with the GE, you're just losing TouchWiz (which is a good thing, imho).
As above.
I´m quite interrested to get an answer on that question. :laugh:
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-Notarmaso
You obviously don't understand the reason of buying a Nexus device. You buy a Nexus device not because of specs but because it runs pure Android and gets updated and supported straight from Google for years to come.
It is one of the sole reasons for owning a Nexus. If Kit-Kat were not to come to the N4 it would ruin everything that the Nexus line stood for.
Notarmaso said:
As above.
I´m quite interrested to get an answer on that question. :laugh:
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Yes, GOOGLE NEXUS 4 will be the first device to get the kitkat 4.4 update, provided it is not released with/in Nexus 5.
Press thanks if I helped you. :good:
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You obviously don't understand the reason of buying a Nexus device. You buy a Nexus device not because of specs but because it runs pure Android and gets updated and supported straight from Google for years to come.
It is one of the sole reasons for owning a Nexus. If Kit-Kat were not to come to the N4 it would ruin everything that the Nexus line stood for.
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I have been a proud owner of my nexus 4 in many month, I know that the nexus would get all updates, but I read 10 Places that it onl y would be released for nexus 5 in october, and that's why I asked in here. Thanks!
No, only for Nexus S.
Logic says that KitKat will be first seen on Nexus 5 on release date, and after that we, nexus 4 owners, will receive it too.
Google would definitely want to show off KK on its new device first. Thats my guess.
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I have been a proud owner of my nexus 4 in many month, I know that the nexus would get all updates, but I read 10 Places that it onl y would be released for nexus 5 in october, and that's why I asked in here. Thanks!
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Well that can be correct. No one knows what month it will be released in for the N4. I am sure it will be released first with the N5 and then to the N4 shortly after.
Heck, nothing has even been officially announced yet so no one knows what month anything is being released yet.
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Yes, GOOGLE NEXUS 4 will be the first device to get the kitkat 4.4 update, provided it is not released with/in Nexus 5.
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Well I misunderstood something then, I read many different Places that NEXUS 5 would be the first device with Kitkat 4.4
I voted :good:
They won't discontinue the nexus 4 and gnex at the same time
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Notarmaso said:
I have been a proud owner of my nexus 4 in many month, I know that the nexus would get all updates, but I read 10 Places that it onl y would be released for nexus 5 in october, and that's why I asked in here. Thanks!
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What was the reasoning for those statements by those 10 places? Bring a few examples, I want to see how they came up with that. I have heard the opposite, that kitkat will be built so that older and weaker devices could run it also, which is based on one sentence "It's our goal with Android KitKat to make an amazing Android experience available for everybody." - doesnt sound like "its our goal to make it exclusive for the next nexus".
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What was the reasoning for those statements by those 10 places? Bring a few examples, I want to see how they came up with that. I have heard the opposite, that kitkat will be built so that older and weaker devices could run it also, which is based on one sentence "It's our goal with Android KitKat to make an amazing Android experience available for everybody." - doesnt sound like "its our goal to make it exclusive for the next nexus".
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Youtube - Techrader etc.
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Youtube - Techrader etc.
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Be concrete. Saying my source is youtube is like saying my source is google.
The Nexus 4 isn't even a year old yet...
kitkat will be released to all nexus 4 besides for yours. yes, goigle is watching you specifically :silly:
http://www.techtimes.com/articles/7...xus-7-is-reportedly-not-getting-android-m.htm
Just saw this, not sure if this news is reliable but that would kind of suck..
Far from credible. Honestly if it doesn't come from Google or Android Police don't beleve it. Actually don't even trust Google just AP.
Someone sent us a tip saying “goodbye Nexus 7, no Android M for you”, and they also said they are close to the Android M development...
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Thats the source lol.
I can see maybe the 2012 nexus 7 being dropped from M update.
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Would be bad if Google dropped support for a 1 1/2 yr old device (not looking at release date) . More fragmentation and might give Apple fanboys more to brag about .
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The nexus 7 2012 is fine but if google stops updating the 2013 version I'm gonna bust their asses my Xperia Z1 from 2013 even has a chance of getting M...
atm android 5.1.1 still sucks on my N7 so I hoped that M would fix my issues!
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vkk178 said:
Would be bad if Google dropped support for a 1 1/2 yr old device (not looking at release date) . More fragmentation and might give Apple fanboys more to brag about .
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They promised at least 18 months of updates after they stopped selling a device in the play store, iirc
Edit: here's the ap article, it looks like we might not get M
http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/0...e-with-an-update-guarantee-for-nexus-devices/
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They promised at least 18 months of updates after they stopped selling a device in the play store, iirc
Edit: here's the ap article, it looks like we might not get M
http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/0...e-with-an-update-guarantee-for-nexus-devices/
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Hmm ... Not sure if Andoid M classifes as a update or as patch . IMHO its both ,since 5.1 is sluggish and tad buggy .
No updates would be bad and it sucks . One might think why invest in a expensive Nexus device when updates are so short lived . Apple fanboys might have some thing to brag about .
I'm not very concerned. Even if Google doesn't give us the update, it probably won't be very long before CyanogenMod comes out with it. I'm willing to bet that this tablet continues to get community support for another couple of years.
Without a CM Flo or deb device maintainer I doubt CM based on Android M would appear officially for us. Maybe other ROMs that have flo maintainers/devs will bring Android M to our devices after making 5.1.1 Lollipop binaries and stuff compatible with M
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Hmm ... Not sure if Andoid M classifes as a update or as patch . IMHO its both ,since 5.1 is sluggish and tad buggy .
No updates would be bad and it sucks . One might think why invest in a expensive Nexus device when updates are so short lived . Apple fanboys might have some thing to brag about .
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The only thing keeping me on Android is the ability to root, secure my devices, and retain full control of the file system - you know, administer the device. This is slowly being taken away, and when it does, I will probably jump ship. Apple makes quality hardware, and iOS isn't awful. It just doesn't give you any easy methods to truly administer the device without jumping through hoops.
In a world where you are a guest on your own device regardless of OS, Apple will come out the winner.
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The only thing keeping me on Android is the ability to root, secure my devices, and retain full control of the file system - you know, administer the device. This is slowly being taken away, and when it does, I will probably jump ship. Apple makes quality hardware, and iOS isn't awful. It just doesn't give you any easy methods to truly administer the device without jumping through hoops.
In a world where you are a guest on your own device regardless of OS, Apple will come out the winner.
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Besides the point you mentioned , Android does have other benefits ... But I was talking more in terms of Nexus devices . If high end devices & Nexus devices (from the google stable) dont get updates for longer , it would be crappy .No point investing in an expensive Nexus device..
If they stopped selling the N7 2013 in October 2014, 18 months of updates would end April 2016 I think.
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2 years after release date
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Despite rumors circulating about the chance of official M for flo, I doubt that it will be left out. After all, Google recently announced monthly updates for a list of nexus devices that includes flo. Even if those updates came only in the form of patches for L, I'm sure unofficial support will be there. Even my old galaxy nexus has unofficially made it to the latest revision of lollipop...
I believe we will get it. It just turned 2 and its only like 3 month's older than the nexus 5. It'll be the last major update but it'll still get it. The 2 year guarantee is just that, a guarantee it doesn't mean they'll necessarily cut off devices at that point
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I believe we will get it. It just turned 2 and its only like 3 month's older than the nexus 5. It'll be the last major update but it'll still get it. The 2 year guarantee is just that, a guarantee it doesn't mean they'll necessarily cut off devices at that point
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Totally agree, 5.1.1 runs smooth on my N7 so I see no reason from a hardware perspective that the N7 shouldn't get M. I think it will be last release so lets hope its a good one.
When I bought my wife's 2013 Nexus 7, it was mid-2014 and I thought for sure it was my only chance of owning a Nexus device, living in the US. I bought it for me, but then I discovered I don't like tablets very much. Fortunately, my wife loves it, so I wiped it and made it hers.
From 4.2 to 4.3, 4.4, 5.0, and now 5.1, it's had four major updates. That's more than any Android phone I've owned has gotten. First got one, second got none, third one got three, fourth one got one so far. Samsung, Motorola, and Samsung again on US Cellular, and HTC on Verizon. All flagships but the first one. It seems to me that I really care about updates on my phones, but on the tablet, it doesn't matter. The tablet doesn't feel like a mission-critical device. It feels like a media device. Had the price gap not been so wide, I wonder if I shouldn't have just gotten an iPad. Not that the Nexus 7 is bad. I just found that a tablet didn't do anything for me. It's just a bigger screen.
If Google is going to cut Nexus updates off after just two years, that's better than a lot of OEM phones get. Though, I do wonder, why did the Nexus 4, released in 2012, get the M preview, but not flo, released in 2013? Or am I mistaken? Was the Nexus 4 abandoned as well?
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When I bought my wife's 2013 Nexus 7, it was mid-2014 and I thought for sure it was my only chance of owning a Nexus device, living in the US. I bought it for me, but then I discovered I don't like tablets very much. Fortunately, my wife loves it, so I wiped it and made it hers.
From 4.2 to 4.3, 4.4, 5.0, and now 5.1, it's had four major updates. That's more than any Android phone I've owned has gotten. First got one, second got none, third one got three, fourth one got one so far. Samsung, Motorola, and Samsung again on US Cellular, and HTC on Verizon. All flagships but the first one. It seems to me that I really care about updates on my phones, but on the tablet, it doesn't matter. The tablet doesn't feel like a mission-critical device. It feels like a media device. Had the price gap not been so wide, I wonder if I shouldn't have just gotten an iPad. Not that the Nexus 7 is bad. I just found that a tablet didn't do anything for me. It's just a bigger screen.
If Google is going to cut Nexus updates off after just two years, that's better than a lot of OEM phones get. Though, I do wonder, why did the Nexus 4, released in 2012, get the M preview, but not flo, released in 2013? Or am I mistaken? Was the Nexus 4 abandoned as well?
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M developer preview was available for the nexus 5,6 and 9, unfortunately the nexus 4 didn't make the cut, as you quite rightly said, it was released in 2012, which is a bit more than the two year update garuntee
I want marshmallow, any custom rom for flo?
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I want marshmallow, any custom rom for flo?
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Marshmallow hasn't been released so there is no AOSP Source made public from Google. ROMs will appear once Android 6.0 and it's Source Code is released (rumored by the end of this month)
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