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reading through a recent post in phone arena, it looks like the rear cover on the phone is polycarbonate, and not plastic. it is glossy rather than matte, so that is the only difference with the HOX.
no more arguing about the quality of product that samsung is putting out there then, right?
Google what poly carbonate is.
Then close this thread.
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Polycarbonate is a durable plastic used for aeroplane windows, bullit proof glass and power tools. It is highly impact resistant but not very scratch resistant. It looks and feels like most other kinds of solid plastic.
And it is used for CDs and DVDs and everything else needed a bit more resistance against scratches bur bulletproof smartphone sounds better than - cd-plastic smartphone xD
(i'm not a samsung hater xD will buy s3 when it is released , just wondering why all are using this examples for polycarbonate xD)
And y - Polycarbonate is plastic, same material like the back of htc one x, they just used a different finisch to give it a more resistant feeling, but all at all it was clear that it will polycarbonate, but HTC knows most users are stupid and will think that its something very special to the htc one series that the back is "SO STRONG" xD....
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And it is used for CDs and DVDs and everything else needed a bit more resistance against scratches
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No, the polycarbonate is not there because of scratch resistance. It has two layers to protect it from scratches.
Polycarbonate is a very durable material. Although it has high impact-resistance, it has low scratch-resistance
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Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polycarbonate#Properties_and_processing
This is probably also a reason why Samsung has coated it on the S3 apart from making it more shiny..
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The purpose of this thread is to clarify the TYPE of plastic used, and to confront those people who keep on repeating that its made out of plastic to downgrade the quality of material, whilst at the same time praising HTC One X for it's build quality.
Funny how HTC One X IS made out of the same material, polycarbonate, yes a form of plastic but THE SAME in the 2 phones, therefore no reason to say one is bad cause its 'plastic' and other isnt, cause both are made from the same.
However, its the matte appearance of the One X that makes it stand out and all of the reviewers fell for that at first instance, critising the S3 as having less quality materials for it's build.
Overgeneralising in your post, is not healthy!
Dupe of this thread.
Please search before posting, thank you.
Sony never disclosed name of 2 companies it is using to make screen protective glass for Xperia Z and ZL.... but my query is will it be stronger than gorilla glass 3 which is touted as "drop resistant " glass
see GG3 power here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2Mm9omndlU
I heard that Sony's tempered glass is supposed to be DragonTrail glass which is supposed to come from some company called Asahi or something (or was that a beer? I cannot recall:laugh.
Anyway from what reviewers said, Dragontrail is supposed to be 5 times stronger than Gorilla glass but I've looked all over the net and have never found any further videos from this company, nor came across anyone brave enough to do a drop test with this glass or even better, do a comparison video against GG2 or even 3 (if that's available).
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There was a pretty cool demo of Gorilla Glass 3 at CES I think, which said they were comparing it 'some' competitor's glass which showed how much more powerful it was.... but after meeting so many friends with the Galaxy S3 with broken glass on the front that had cracked (sometimes as easily as a light drop at the wrong angle) I don't believe any of the GG2 adverts anymore and think they're all very carefully controlled.
Would also love to see more info on this glass and it's actual strengths!
The gorilla glass 2 on the SGS3 is abysmally poor and it has completely put me off gorilla glass, I do believe there is a drop text video on YouTube for the Xperia Z and it looks amazing
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It is either shatter proof or scratch resistant.... cant have both at same time... thanx to the screen guard that sony puts on.... this video shows it... :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GzYnDnZDRg
Sony is not using dragontrail of GG according to Sony https://twitter.com/SonyMobileNews/status/289572752229285889
I have read somewhere on a German side( through google translate and with the little German languages knowledge I posses) that they tested it and that both the protector as well as the underlying glass wasn't as strong as dragontrail, though pretty close.
I agree...
Hmmm so much for gorilla glass? Hahaha! Gorilla grass turned into monkey barbecue with the last test lol!!!
And here's for Iphone 5 drop test
And to test if it's useful for military war hahaha
When i heard a Sony representative saying that they are using 2 different companies for screen protection , I assumed that one company makes glass and other company makes that preapplied screen protector. No company name said anywhere about Z and ZL
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I heard that Sony's tempered glass is supposed to be DragonTrail glass which is supposed to come from some company called Asahi or something (or was that a beer? I cannot recall:laugh.
Anyway from what reviewers said, Dragontrail is supposed to be 5 times stronger than Gorilla glass but I've looked all over the net and have never found any further videos from this company, nor came across anyone brave enough to do a drop test with this glass or even better, do a comparison video against GG2 or even 3 (if that's available).
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There was a pretty cool demo of Gorilla Glass 3 at CES I think, which said they were comparing it 'some' competitor's glass which showed how much more powerful it was.... but after meeting so many friends with the Galaxy S3 with broken glass on the front that had cracked (sometimes as easily as a light drop at the wrong angle) I don't believe any of the GG2 adverts anymore and think they're all very carefully controlled.
Would also love to see more info on this glass and it's actual strengths!
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The gorilla glass 2 on the SGS3 is abysmally poor and it has completely put me off gorilla glass, I do believe there is a drop text video on YouTube for the Xperia Z and it looks amazing
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I agree...
Hmmm so much for gorilla gass?
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I agree SGS3 was too much bad even when with gorilla glass 2... but discussion is about gorilla glass 3... which is stronger... and sony does not name company or technology it is using for screen protection in current generation.... that will make people lose trust
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I agree SGS3 was too much bad even when with gorilla glass 2... but discussion is about gorilla glass 3... which is stronger... and sony does not name company or technology it is using for screen protection in current generation.... that will make people lose trust
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Hmmm there are 2 reasons I could think of why they disclose this info...
1. It's a lie! There is no company and sony themselves is just the one making the glass.
2. They find the glass maker company great and decided to keep it a secret to avoid letting other manufacturers use the same glass.
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Hmmm there are 2 reasons I could think of why they disclose this info...
1. It's a lie! There is no company and sony themselves is just the one making the glass.
2. They find the glass maker company great and decided to keep it a secret to avoid letting other manufacturers use the same glass.
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yes i think its some company co owned by sony or something like that.
Xperia go was pretty strong in terms of drops n all... while Xperia S was not that much strong comparatively...Both were listed protection "scratch resistant glass"...i have no idea about Xperia T and V because they were not released in my region..... point is when they dont tell us what device is made up of what and where it can survive , how will people come to know.
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Hmmm there are 2 reasons I could think of why they disclose this info...
1. It's a lie! There is no company and sony themselves is just the one making the glass.
2. They find the glass maker company great and decided to keep it a secret to avoid letting other manufacturers use the same glass.
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Apple doesn't disclose who is making the glass for the iphone. and I think to do that as to make it easier to switch supplier or use multiple suppliers, so that is the third option
a forth option is that they really just use tampered glass and not a alkali-aluminosilicate type of glass used by dragontrail, gorilla glass and scott's Xensation.
if they do use a alkali-aluminosilicate glass or similar I think it could be Xensation glass as this is the only one not ruled out by Sony (that I know of)
Sony said they won't comment on supplier - it doesn't translate into "it's not Dragontrail". Maybe it is, maybe it's not. Most companies hide that - look at Samsung products - in some cases people believe that SX/Note X are using GG, but it hasn't been confirmed anywhere.
I honestly believe they used the best possible option - you don't build a full-glass phone, advertise it as super-durable, and build it from some cheap non-resistant glass.
Also, i really find comparisons to Gorilla Glass pointless and in my opinion GG is not that great to say the least. Had S2, Note 1 and Note 2 - all using GG1/2 and all of them got scratched pretty easily - friend's S3 shattered after waist-high drop, so we're not really amazed by it. I know, GG is good to have - but not having it is really not a problem, if you drop it on pavement - it will break. If it doesn't it's most likely because of good border/chassis shock absorbing properties, and not glass toughness itself. Look at Lumia 820 - people were moaning because it doesn't use GG, and it turned out that Nokia's solution is equally good.
So, Dragontrail would be great - if it's not, i still believe it will be quite durable. Tempered glass is used in automotive ( windshields ) and it survives A LOT of damage thanks to its shatterproof film and tempering. I think it might turn out pretty good - and if it turns out it breaks as easily as every other phone, then Sony will have a real reputation loss due to its advertising.
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Sony said they won't comment on supplier - it doesn't translate into "it's not Dragontrail". Maybe it is, maybe it's not. Most companies hide that - look at Samsung products - in some cases people believe that SX/Note X are using GG, but it hasn't been confirmed anywhere.
I honestly believe they used the best possible option - you don't build a full-glass phone, advertise it as super-durable, and build it from some cheap non-resistant glass.
Also, i really find comparisons to Gorilla Glass pointless and in my opinion GG is not that great to say the least. Had S2, Note 1 and Note 2 - all using GG1/2 and all of them got scratched pretty easily - friend's S3 shattered after waist-high drop, so we're not really amazed by it. I know, GG is good to have - but not having it is really not a problem, if you drop it on pavement - it will break. If it doesn't it's most likely because of good border/chassis shock absorbing properties, and not glass toughness itself. Look at Lumia 820 - people were moaning because it doesn't use GG, and it turned out that Nokia's solution is equally good.
So, Dragontrail would be great - if it's not, i still believe it will be quite durable. Tempered glass is used in automotive ( windshields ) and it survives A LOT of damage thanks to its shatterproof film and tempering. I think it might turn out pretty good - and if it turns out it breaks as easily as every other phone, then Sony will have a real reputation loss due to its advertising.
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Wonder what glasses does nokia use on their old nokia 5580XM screens It's very shock proof to the point I couldn't break it.
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Sony said they won't comment on supplier - it doesn't translate into "it's not Dragontrail". .
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they said "we don’t comment on supplier names but Xperia Z uses durable tempered glass that has equiv specs to Gorilla/Dragontrail"
that's at least implying that they don't use GG or DT.
Not that I care as long as it can survive the occasional drop
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Not that I care as long as it can survive the occasional drop
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We all hope it will Also, I wonder how much will it cost to replace broken back of front if it does break at some point. My only drop victim was iPhone, the first "2G" one - dropped it cause some b...tch ran into me and knocked it out of my hands Sold it for half the price of working unit so it all turned out well.
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We all hope it will Also, I wonder how much will it cost to replace broken back of front if it does break at some point. My only drop victim was iPhone, the first "2G" one - dropped it cause some b...tch ran into me and knocked it out of my hands Sold it for half the price of working unit so it all turned out well.
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I imagine it will be similar to the butterfly or the one X since it uses a similar technique to eliminate the air layer between glass en panel
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Sony said they won't comment on supplier - it doesn't translate into "it's not Dragontrail". Maybe it is, maybe it's not. Most companies hide that - look at Samsung products - in some cases people believe that SX/Note X are using GG, but it hasn't been confirmed anywhere.
I honestly believe they used the best possible option - you don't build a full-glass phone, advertise it as super-durable, and build it from some cheap non-resistant glass.
Also, i really find comparisons to Gorilla Glass pointless and in my opinion GG is not that great to say the least. Had S2, Note 1 and Note 2 - all using GG1/2 and all of them got scratched pretty easily - friend's S3 shattered after waist-high drop, so we're not really amazed by it. I know, GG is good to have - but not having it is really not a problem, if you drop it on pavement - it will break. If it doesn't it's most likely because of good border/chassis shock absorbing properties, and not glass toughness itself. Look at Lumia 820 - people were moaning because it doesn't use GG, and it turned out that Nokia's solution is equally good.
So, Dragontrail would be great - if it's not, i still believe it will be quite durable. Tempered glass is used in automotive ( windshields ) and it survives A LOT of damage thanks to its shatterproof film and tempering. I think it might turn out pretty good - and if it turns out it breaks as easily as every other phone, then Sony will have a real reputation loss due to its advertising.
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Sony clearly say it is not dragontail ... some mysterious tech.... hope it turns out to be a solid thing...
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I heard that Sony's tempered glass is supposed to be DragonTrail glass which is supposed to come from some company called Asahi or something (or was that a beer? I cannot recall:laugh.
Anyway from what reviewers said, Dragontrail is supposed to be 5 times stronger than Gorilla glass but I've looked all over the net and have never found any further videos from this company, nor came across anyone brave enough to do a drop test with this glass or even better, do a comparison video against GG2 or even 3 (if that's available).
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There was a pretty cool demo of Gorilla Glass 3 at CES I think, which said they were comparing it 'some' competitor's glass which showed how much more powerful it was.... but after meeting so many friends with the Galaxy S3 with broken glass on the front that had cracked (sometimes as easily as a light drop at the wrong angle) I don't believe any of the GG2 adverts anymore and think they're all very carefully controlled.
Would also love to see more info on this glass and it's actual strengths!
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Dude, where did you come up with Dragontail being 5 times stronger than gorilla glass? What a load of rubish. It is aparently 6 times stronger than conventional glass, and I am certain Gorilla glass is not therefore 1 times stronger than conventional glass. The Vickers hardness rating puts Dragontail behind Gorilla glass, so in theory Gorilla glass should be more scratch resistant.
Gorilla glass 3 shows hardness and ductility in action. The harder the material the more brittle it becomes under certain stressors. The more ductile the material is the more impact resistance it will have and also be less brittle. So combine the two and you have what is demonstrated buy the Gorilla glass 3 vid.
Sony aparently have already used dragontail glass in a Xperia phone, so quite likely to be the case here. I am certain that most companies are being quiet about this due to contracts standing with Corning.
Not sure why people keep referring to shattered and scratched phone screens, these technologies reduce the risk not remove it, nor do any of them claim it.
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Dude, where did you come up with Dragontail being 5 times stronger than gorilla glass? What a load of rubish. It is aparently 6 times stronger than conventional glass, and I am certain Gorilla glass is not therefore 1 times stronger than conventional glass. The Vickers hardness rating puts Dragontail behind Gorilla glass, so in theory Gorilla glass should be more scratch resistant.
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Exactly, that's a mistake. DT is said to be 6 times strongen than conventional glass, not gorilla glass. Also, gorilla is probably more scratch resistant, but DT conpensates for it with extreme durability and resistance to shattering.
www.youtube.com/embed/84z_BIrLlp4?e...19209/&html5=1&autoplay=1&vq=medium&start=129
this is the video of xiaomi mi2 murdered using saw and cutters.
this phone uses dragontail glass
www.youtube.com/embed/WpbOoQpwAFs?e...ds/xiaomi-mi2-protective-glass.19209/&html5=1
this one is a lab test video of the dragontail.
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Has anyone else experienced this? I've has my 6P since December and the oleophobic Coating on the screen is almost non existent now, my phone gets so grimey and dirty. I've never seen this with any other phone I've had?
My phone is especially bad lately. It drives me nuts. And like you, Ive never had a phone this bad, especially with fingerprints.
This might be offtopic, but I use these screen protectors and the coating is pretty decent on them.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B014SL8BWU
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This might be offtopic, but I use these screen protectors and the coating is pretty decent on them.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B014SL8BWU
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Do you use it with a case?
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Do you use it with a case?
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It work fine with a case, but I mainly carry with a skin only.
Thats why you should use a screen protector or tempered glass from the start
$10 investment goes a long way.
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THIS. Hands down the best tempered glass screen protector on the market. Get one and you won't ever have to worry about your screen again.
The coating is bound to wear off. You can always order some from Amazon and apply it yourself. I will need to do this soon as well.
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The coating is bound to wear off. You can always order some from Amazon and apply it yourself. I will need to do this soon as well.
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Huh? I've never had the coating come off a phone that I've ever owned. Why should anyone expect it to wear off in a mere 6 months? The apologist mentality on this board is getting out of control.
WizeGuyDezignz said:
Huh? I've never had the coating come off a phone that I've ever owned. Why should anyone expect it to wear off in a mere 6 months? The apologist mentality on this board is getting out of control.
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He's not wrong. Oleophobic coating is bound to wear off eventually over time and with use. It just depends on a few factors. How much use, how greasy someones hands might be, how much you clean it, the quality of the coating itself, etc
I've had the coating wear off on a few phones. Heck, that's why I use a TGSP on all my phones now, not just for scratch protection.
WizeGuyDezignz said:
Huh? I've never had the coating come off a phone that I've ever owned. Why should anyone expect it to wear off in a mere 6 months? The apologist mentality on this board is getting out of control.
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It's the 6P hater again! How have you been?
ttminh1997 said:
It's the 6P hater again! How have you been?
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What a nice and mature response. I'm doing great. How about you stay on topic... Have you had this coating come off on a phone less than 6 months old? Let me guess, this problem doesn't exist because it's the phone you own.
I've had my 6P about 3 months and there are times where it is noticeably greasey to the point of distorting the display image when the screen is on. Takes some vigorous rubbing with microfiber to clean off. And I'm not a dirty person... my S7E never has this problem but it's also newer. I put a drop of water on the display of the 6P and it stays as a single bead and glides around with ease so I'm really confused why it repels finger oil so poorly.
Never had a phone that it didn't wear off on me. This particular phone is one of the better ones.
It is just that a coating. It comes off with heavy use. Go buy a kit to put it back on, it'll set you back $35.
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Oleophobic coatings are just a treatment of an oil like substance on the glass surface. Gorilla glass is manufactured with its own coat. Phone manufacturers do not apply this coating on gorilla glass. It is rated to last 2 years but many factors can shorten that span. Especially human sweat and any type of cleaner. Ive seen kits on amazon for as low as $13.
What type of screen glass/plastic does the Huawei P10 Lite use?
Can anybody answer my question?
Not sure if I'm allowed to link to other websites but a google for "p10 lite reviews" came up with a site that states that
The Huawei P10 lite comes with a Full HD 5.2-inch IPS display and 2.5D glass.
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And in case you're not sure what 2.5d glass is, the same website states that this glass is
2.5D refers to a slight curvature at the edge of the glass display, also known as a contoured edge.......
....The benefits of 2.5D glass are purely ergonomic and aesthetic.
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I mean like how some phones come with Gorilla Glass, and others come with Sapphire. I was wondering what the Huawei P10 Lite had.
Timalay said:
I mean like how some phones come with Gorilla Glass, and others come with Sapphire. I was wondering what the Huawei P10 Lite had.
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No one knows. Probably some Chinese-built glass. It's a cheap phone so they'll be cutting corners wherever they can. That doesn't mean it's bad though. They're probably copying Gorilla so it's built with phones in mind with whatever characteristics they want. Remember that if they make it more scratch resistant it'll shatter more easily and vice versa because of physics.
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No one knows. Probably some Chinese-built glass. It's a cheap phone so they'll be cutting corners wherever they can. That doesn't mean it's bad though. They're probably copying Gorilla so it's built with phones in mind with whatever characteristics they want. Remember that if they make it more scratch resistant it'll shatter more easily and vice versa because of physics.
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Further googling & found other reviews - many review don't state that the TYPE of glass used.. some review however do say things like
Huawei, for some unknown reason, decided not to use a Gorilla Glass for its screen protection.
Although Huawei has used a hardened glass of unknown specifications on P10 Lite, it is not as durable as the tried and tested Gorilla Glass.
During my week long use without a screen protector, I somehow managed to get a couple of small scratches on it.
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Premium glass design, prone to fingerprints and scratches. No Gorilla Glass.
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From experience I can tell you, the glass is not really hardened at all. It actually looks (and scratches) a whole lot like the glass used on iphones, to my experience anyway.
It's irritating, because Huawei made a nice flip cover for it (with a transparent part and touching through it to answer calls etc.)... That actually scratches the screen. Kind of sad. It's a beautiful screen though, you won't notice the scratches unless you really look for them. But it absolutely needs some sort of cover/protection.
As long as it doesn't break into a million pieces on the first drop I'm fine. I always use screen protectors to prevent scratches.
Anyone using this bumper on the Note 10+? I've had the bumper on other phones and it's worked fine, but from what I've seen on a couple YouTube vids it looks like it fits very loose in the middle on the Note 10+.
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Anyone using this bumper on the Note 10+? I've had the bumper on other phones and it's worked fine, but from what I've seen on a couple YouTube vids it looks like it fits very loose in the middle on the Note 10+.
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Believe it. I have and it's a little annoying. Still sexy though.
I have used this bumper-only protectors, and yes, they look really cool, but, with these cristal back devices, a back film protector is really necessary
How about the shock resistance?
I have the spigen tough armor but the lips on the front seems not enough in case of a front impact.
I just tried one of these bumpers… not good, really, looks nice, but the sides feel loose
winol said:
I just tried one of these bumpers… not good, really, looks nice, but the sides feel loose
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This?
https://www.amazon.com/RhinoShield-...t=&hvlocphy=9059462&hvtargid=pla-827435901756
On a double impact drop or back plant I wouldn't trust it.
You know at times the 10+ seems bent on flying but seldom lands gracefully and sometimes bounces around before that last thud.
I like 2 layered systems, 3 layers if in the clip case. Otterboxes where always a pain but gave good impact protection.
My favorite for the 10+ remains the Zizo Bolt case. Only downside is no charging port cover. In practice (except for one rain drop) this hasn't been an issue.
Great drop protection and relatively slim/light, very easy to hold, looks great. The second layer of hard polycarbonate keeps the inner urethane layer in place holding it tight to the vulnerable corners in impacts.
The case is the last layer that makes it an "Active" phone. These phones need a good case...
I bought the Solid Suit and it is awesome. I got a real problem dropping phones, and the Note 10+ wasnt an exception.
I have dropped about 5/6 times and it still rocks like a champion.
Trust me, before this a have used various brands on diferent phones and this is the best.
I Like UAG plasma series cases, I use them since my note 7, I find them very protective and pleasant looking, specially the ice color ones, I recently bought a ghostek atomic slim, polycarbonate back, tpu edge liner and outer aluminum frame, absolutely outstanding with my aura glow note 10+, it does not interfere with signals in any way