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How does the SGII get official ics before NS4G

I am so fired up. Nexus is suppose to get timely updates but i guess not. Why do I stay with Google.
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How? Because Samsung is building it off 4.0.3 source. Supposedly Google isn't going to push out any more OTAs to Nexus devices until they fix the issues.

Google may be having trouble with their CDMA versions of the Nexus line. I understand your frustration though.
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donnieace said:
Google may be having trouble with their CDMA versions of the Nexus line. I understand your frustration though.
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They haven't pushed a new update for quite a while on any Nexus devices. There has never been an ICS version on the AT&T GSM version so I don't think there is just a CDMA issue at this point but an overall issue fixing ICS problems.

I'm this close to just upgrading
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It's not only cdma version. Google stopped pushing updates for all Nexus lines until they fix that battery problem. I think they are almost finished
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Oh well...this sucks.
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This is a huge fail for them. Remember the og nexus was receiving updates regularly. May try a windows phone hell maybe even a apple. How can they put pressure on the OEM when they can even push an update to cdma or GSM. My trust is continously abused by google and oems.
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bozzykid said:
They haven't pushed a new update for quite a while on any Nexus devices. There has never been an ICS version on the AT&T GSM version so I don't think there is just a CDMA issue at this point but an overall issue fixing ICS problems.
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Forgot to add, "along with the ICS bugs. "
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qhinton said:
This is a huge fail for them. Remember the og nexus was receiving updates regularly. May try a windows phone hell maybe even a apple. How can they put pressure on the OEM when they can even push an update to cdma or GSM. My trust is continously abused by google and oems.
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I know, think of all the sites and all the articles written about how OEM's can't get their updates out fast enough. Now when Google can not update it's only phones (a lot fewer than any OEM) with it's own OS (something they obviously had the source of for a lot longer than any OEM as they were the ones who built it) not a single article on any gadget blog or Android blog. It strikes me as odd after all the crying about the OEM's on all of theses sites, not a one can muster up a single paragraph about Google and their huge failing at the very same thing.

This is so disappointing. To me it means there's no Android I can safely buy and assume I will receive timely updates. And since I want timely updates it may mean having to look at other platforms. For now I guess it means that the CM team (or other custom ROM) is my upgrade path from now on. But custom roms still get better when official code is released.
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thezero4 said:
This is so disappointing. To me it means there's no Android I can safely buy and assume I will receive timely updates. And since I want timely updates it may mean having to look at other platforms. For now I guess it means that the CM team (or other custom ROM) is my upgrade path from now on. But custom roms still get better when official code is released.
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And Cyanogen is good enough for me.
Here is a good rant on phone subsidies that seems to touch on this topic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vfkjOGPuls

Wouldn't it be a barrel of laughs if CM team actually released a stable CM9 before Google released (or re-released) ICS?

bozzykid said:
How? Because Samsung is building it off 4.0.3 source. Supposedly Google isn't going to push out any more OTAs to Nexus devices until they fix the issues.
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issues???? where are these issues people keep talking about??? I've never had any!!! I've used almost every aosp available, as well as the 4.0.4 leak, and my ns4g has never had a single issue!!! **** them and their sorry ass excuses!! They need to hurry the hell up and update us. This is just becoming a giant joke....how can google even show their faces at MWC next to MS who pushed their update to every single device in under two weeks??
Google is starting to lose some serious credibility here, and I'm very close to jumping ship with my next device. I've always been a HUGE fan of google, but with this being my first experience with any nexus updates, you can't exactly expect me to stay loyal after all of this!!

Ok lets clear something up.
MS and Apple can push updates because SHOCKER...... they use cords!
Its not OTA like Google. Right now MS requires a cord and a computer to receive updates.
Dont know what's up with Google. I'm putting my money on Carriers slowing stuff down.
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vetvito said:
Ok lets clear something up.
MS and Apple can push updates because SHOCKER...... they use cords!
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iOS 5 does its updates OTA. Again, how they are pushed has nothing to do with it. Deals with carriers does have an effect. But the issue with ICS on Nexus devices is not carrier hold up at this point.

According to twitter (last week JBQ responded some tweets), 4.0.4 still has some issues (telephony and kernel issues). Once that's fixed i bet we get our updates. All the OEM ICS OTA right now are on 4.0.3, which does have issues (at least on Nexus S).

Really Verizon

I was so excited to think we finally got the Lollipop. Phfft! ended being an enhanced something or other. At this Point I am so frustrated with Verizon on so many levels. What Gives?

Relax. It'll happen at some point. I was a bit disappointed as well..but at the same time I was so used to being able to talk and surf the web without WiFi that I felt some type of way when I couldn't with the turbo initially. Now I can with VOLTE. Just have patience.
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HOFFABALBOA said:
I was so excited to think we finally got the Lollipop. Phfft! ended being an enhanced something or other. At this Point I am so frustrated with Verizon on so many levels. What Gives?
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Moto is still doing a soak test for Lollipop, what could you possibly be frustrated about? This is the first time I'm actually happy being with Verizon. Lollipop is nice and all, but after using it on my Nexus7, I'm not really eager to jump to it(it also means root may become more difficult).

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Moto is still doing a soak test for Lollipop, what could you possibly be frustrated about? This is the first time I'm actually happy being with Verizon. Lollipop is nice and all, but after using it on my Nexus7, I'm not really eager to jump to it(it also means root may become more difficult).
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Been with Verizon Wireless since 1998. 1st Issue is always billing. Once you pay your bill on the due date. Bamm New bill is there. Sometimes I feel I am six months ahead of their billing. But the list goes on. Verizon to me always seems to be the last one to get anything. And in my eyes We as Verizon subscribers we pay then most of any other carrier.

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Moto is still doing a soak test for Lollipop, what could you possibly be frustrated about? This is the first time I'm actually happy being with Verizon. Lollipop is nice and all, but after using it on my Nexus7, I'm not really eager to jump to it(it also means root may become more difficult).
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Agreed. At least you got Lollipop on your Nexus 7. Us N7 LTE users are still in the cold ?
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Agreed. At least you got Lollipop on your Nexus 7. Us N7 LTE users are still in the cold ?
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To be honest, it's not as great although maybe I was expecting more. I used it for about a week then went back to 4.4.4 and really don't have the desire to take the OTA.
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Been with Verizon Wireless since 1998. 1st Issue is always billing. Once you pay your bill on the due date. Bamm New bill is there. Sometimes I feel I am six months ahead of their billing. But the list goes on. Verizon to me always seems to be the last one to get anything. And in my eyes We as Verizon subscribers we pay then most of any other carrier.
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But...that's how billing works. They've always billed a month in advance. It's a contract so the next bill is usually the same amount, doesn't matter if they post it right after you pay or the day before it's due, you always pay every 30 days. Honestly, if you get your phones with good deals(turbo was 100$ for me), you end up paying about the same as you would on tmobile or att. You don't have to stay with Verizon, you can switch to tmobile, but I stay because the service works and no other provider can say the same.
Tmobile: 5gb per line(10gb total) for 2 iphone 6 for example, is 175$ per month because you have to either buy the phone outright or pay for it in monthly installments. The same 10gb shared for 2 lines on verizon is 160$ per month, then add another 8$ per month to account for 200$ for 2 Droid turbo's(100$ each) over the course of a 2 year contract. In the end, its pretty much equal but I'll take verizon's service over tmobiles any day.

not much need
There really isnt much need to get lollipop right now because its still not so stable yet and technically still in beta. why do you think they already made 5.0.1? I would rather wait then get the stablest version and not get a rushed version like the nexus devices. Even Htc backed out from their 90 day promise.

wadamean said:
There really isnt much need to get lollipop right now because its still not so stable yet and technically still in beta. why do you think they already made 5.0.1? I would rather wait then get the stablest version and not get a rushed version like the nexus devices. Even Htc backed out from their 90 day promise.
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This is not true and its a baseless comment ..sorry. That's like saying Windows and every other operating system that comes out that updates is alpha or beta status! Updates or point updates are just bug and security patches. After official release like 5.0 which was OFFICIAL.

ganggreen30 said:
This is not true and its a baseless comment ..sorry. That's like saying Windows and every other operating system that comes out that updates is alpha or beta status! Updates or point updates are just bug and security patches. After official release like 5.0 which was OFFICIAL.
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How can you say that with a straight face? You can't visit a website without finding lollipop issues.

adrynalyne said:
How can you say that with a straight face? You can't visit a website without finding lollipop issues.
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You can't visit an iPhone page without finding iOS issues. You can't visit a Windows page without finding Windows issues. No operating system is flawless lol. Is Windows 7 still beta? Because that's what I have and it has plenty of issues lol

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You can't visit an iPhone page without finding iOS issues. You can't visit a Windows page without finding Windows issues. No operating system is flawless lol. Is Windows 7 still beta? Because that's what I have and it has plenty of issues lol
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Please. That just proves my point. What does Apple do almost immediately after a x.0 release? Release a point release to fix the major bugs that showed up. Android is no different. 5.0 ? Terrible. 4.0? Terrible. 2.0? Terrible. In each case, a release quickly replaced them. Some were so buggy they didn't make it out of the gates without a point release.

All I can say is it must suck for them to decide. If they release early with bugs half of the people get upset that they would release like that. If they hold back the other half hate them cause they don't have it now. . . . .

My mom has had Lollipop on her Moto X for I think a couple weeks now, she says she's had no issues. Even the Lollipop roms I've flashed on my other devices seem pretty stable. I'm ready for this device to get it.

[Confirmed] Verizon Nexus 6 on March 12th with 5.1 - 5.1 for us too?

So according to this the Verizon Nexus 6 will come with 5.1 Lollipop. Does this mean that Motorola will rollout Lollipop to the DT around this time? And will it be 5.1 Lollipop?
Verizon's Nexus 6 could arrive very soon http://www.engadget.com/2015/02/27/verizon-nexus-6/ via Engadget Android
Update: Its been confirmed that the Nexus 6 will drop on Verizon tomorrow and with 5.1 Lollipop. No word on a locked down BL though.
Google's Nexus 6 will finally reach Verizon on March 12th http://www.engadget.com/2015/03/11/google-nexus-6-for-verizon/ via Engadget Android
While the Nexus 6 has been confirmed to have 5.1, no word has been given about the DT being upgraded to 5.1 or any other version of Lollipop as of yet.

So according to what?

Sorry forgot to attach the link - OP updated

I'm hoping we are updated by then, but I seriously doubt that it will be 5.1, most likely 5.0.2 which has been cycling through the Moto line.

kingersj1 said:
I'm hoping we are updated by then, but I seriously doubt that it will be 5.1, most likely 5.0.2 which has been cycling through the Moto line.
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5.1 is already out for limited devices. We may get 5.1 after all said and done

True, we most likely get 5.1, I just don't think this update. Most likely the next update, which should be faster once we are on lollipop.

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So according to this the Verizon Nexus 6 will come with 5.1 Lollipop. Does this mean that Motorola will rollout Lollipop to the DT around this time? And will it be 5.1 Lollipop?
Verizon's Nexus 6 could arrive very soon http://www.engadget.com/2015/02/27/verizon-nexus-6/ via Engadget Android
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Motorola wont roll out anything the update will come from Verizon not Motorola.

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Motorola wont roll out anything the update will come from Verizon not Motorola.
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lol! Nope... Verizon just approves the Update.. Rest of the work is done by Motorola! IF you look at the Logcat you will see the link from where the Update is downloaded off n its the Motorola Servers...

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lol! Nope... Verizon just approves the Update.. Rest of the work is done by Motorola! IF you look at the Logcat you will see the link from where the Update is downloaded off n its the Motorola Servers...
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Keep dreaming, that update will come from Verizon just like all updates before, Verizon gets the update bloats the hell out of it and then releases it.

sinclac said:
Keep dreaming, that update will come from Verizon just like all updates before, Verizon gets the update bloats the hell out of it and then releases it.
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Nope... U think Verizon sits n adds bloat n release the software? Nope.... They give the apps that need to be added to Moto's software Developers... the Verizon framework is allover the System partition on the turbo, so its not just adding a bunch of apps its integrated deep... Then Motorola makes loads of builds with one build a day n test the siftware on prototype phones... Once they feel the software is stable enough then send it to Verizon for approval... If Verizon is not satisfied with the bloat, they reject it and Motos gotta start adding the bloat n test it out again...

Not holding my breath on any updates soon on the Turbo. This phone has been out for over half a year now with nothing in the works. For a near stock phone I'm not sure why it's taking a back seat to all of these other devices that are getting Lollipop. So much for my decision to go with a Motorola device because of a so-called quick update schedule.

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Not holding my breath on any updates soon on the Turbo. This phone has been out for over half a year now with nothing in the works. For a near stock phone I'm not sure why it's taking a back seat to all of these other devices that are getting Lollipop. So much for my decision to go with a Motorola device because of a so-called quick update schedule.
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Nothing in the works eh? So there have been NO updates then?
Oh and its been 4 months, but what's rounding it up by another two gonna hurt? It makes it more dramatic.
Everyone wants Lollipop, but doesn't care that it is less stable than Kitkat. Lollipop is just another ICS repeat. ICS didn't start becoming truly stable until 4.1, which Google for some reason deserved a name change. It took forever for devices to update to ICS, and by the time some did, Jellybean was out. Lollipop is a full point release, and major Android overhaul. This is not a 4.0 -> 4.1 -> 4.3 -> 4.4 transition. This is a 4.4 -> 5.0 transition and major parts of Adroid have been reworked. It isn't just a theme. It hasn't been a smooth launch. Verizon is strict with their testing, and we all know that. They are not going to let an OS less stable than its predecessor pass testing on one of their flagship devices. Despite what you want to believe, the Turbo is their specific flagship and they will want it to be the most stable.
Hey, I want Lollipop too. However, Im willing to take the instability with it. Verizon apparently is not after seeing how it fared on the X. The truth has always been out there, no matter how much people want to ignore it: If you want the ultimate network and stability, you got Verizon. If you want bleeding edge software on your devices, you go elsewhere.
So to be frank, anyone who bought the Turbo expecting blazing fast updates should blame their own misconceptions.

You can get excited about two minor updates with imperceptible bug fixes but I'm referring to OS updates.

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You can get excited about two minor updates with imperceptible bug fixes but I'm referring to OS updates.
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Then you shouldn't be on Verizon. Verizon has had a few quick updates over the years, but it doesn't erase all the slow ones.
This is nothing new.
It sucks, but sometimes the bitter truth is what people need. I only stick with Verizon because I am potentially on call 24/7 and my phone at work is tied into my cell phone. I need a reliable carrier and due to where I live, where I travel, and where I work, Verizon is the most reliable.

adrynalyne said:
Then you shouldn't be on Verizon. Verizon has had a few quick updates over the years, but it doesn't erase all the slow ones.
This is nothing new.
It sucks, but sometimes the bitter truth is what people need. I only stick with Verizon because I am potentially on call 24/7 and my phone at work is tied into my cell phone. I need a reliable carrier and due to where I live, where I travel, and where I work, Verizon is the most reliable.
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By far most reliable for me. Maybe I'm misunderstanding the concept of XLTE or how it ties in with VoLTE but since the DT had it's second VoLTE update I haven't dropped one call and with XLTE I'm on LTE 97% even underground here in Chicago. And I make a lot of calls everyday. We all want updates as soon as possible but as long as what we have works then I can wait.

Gundabolu SC said:
Nope... U think Verizon sits n adds bloat n release the software? Nope.... They give the apps that need to be added to Moto's software Developers... the Verizon framework is allover the System partition on the turbo, so its not just adding a bunch of apps its integrated deep... Then Motorola makes loads of builds with one build a day n test the siftware on prototype phones... Once they feel the software is stable enough then send it to Verizon for approval... If Verizon is not satisfied with the bloat, they reject it and Motos gotta start adding the bloat n test it out again...
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Gundabolu is correct all Verizon does is test and certify the update. Motorola is the one to actually push it

Jweimn said:
Gundabolu is correct all Verizon does is test and certify the update. Motorola is the one to actually push it
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Does not change the fact that Verizon releases it, then it is pushed to us.

Chicken/Egg

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Does not change the fact that Verizon releases it, then it is pushed to us.
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No not at all nor does it change the fact that Verizon is slow to approve updates. I still feel this time around though that moto is being fairly slow at getting this update out but who knows

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No not at all nor does it change the fact that Verizon is slow to approve updates. I still feel this time around though that moto is being fairly slow at getting this update out but who knows
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Agreed, Verizon always seems to be the last to update.

t-mobile note 8 on the testing block for (android Pie).

t-mobile note 8 on the testing block for (android Pie).
https://support.t-mobile.com/community/phones-tablets-devices/software-updates

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t-mobile note 8 on the testing block for (android Pie).
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Any idea how long it usually stays in testing? Just curious.

sdrewh said:
Any idea how long it usually stays in testing? Just curious.[/
they dont know yet i guess their making sure theirs no bugs.
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sdrewh said:
Any idea how long it usually stays in testing? Just curious.
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2 weeks to a month usually. Provided that everything is ok and they dont need to rework the software.
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Android Q is out for testing and we still don't have official Pie. This is the sad reality of. Samsung's flagship phones!
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Eudeferrer said:
Android Q is out for testing and we still don't have official Pie. This is the sad reality of. Samsung's flagship phones!
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This isn't the reason at all, Pie is out for the note 8/9. Problem is T-mobile needs to do testing with their software before it gets out to T-mobile customers.

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This isn't the reason at all, Pie is out for the note 8/9. Problem is T-mobile needs to do testing with their software before it gets out to T-mobile customers.
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This IS the point. Regardless of who is doing the testing, the freaking phone doesn't get the update. The Note 7 FE version got it already and we are still waiting. The Note 8 was a flagship a year ago. Updates should come in a month or two, not a year's time regardless of who is testing it. Both TMO and Samsung need to respond faster. Not a problem on my Pixel 3Xl since TMO doesn't need to "test it".
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PIE is out for Sprint

Its been three weeks on the testing block and still no update. Its a shame tmobile lacking to update the note 8 knowing this was a flagship phone when it came out two years ago.

It'll be here in days.

Looks like ATT is rolling out as of now. Let's hope T-Mo has it together enough to be in the same ballpark as Sprint and ATT, at least.

T-Mobile begins to rollout Android 9.0 Pie for Galaxy S8, S8+ and Note 8 phones
First Sprint, second AT&T and now T-Mobile is sending Android Pie for Galaxy S8, S8+ and Note 8 phones that are running on Android 8.0 Oreo.
The latest software update bring Android version 9.0 Pie and Samsung's One UI interface along with new features. Also, the update contains March 2019 security patch including bug fixes and system improvements.
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https://tinyurl.com/yyaqbtlf

Garbage article. That's the S8 update.

Ya according to this site and others https://www.sammobile.com/firmwares/galaxy-note8/SM-N950U/ That is the Sprint version.

https://www.droid-life.com/2019/03/...-mobile-galaxy-note-8-and-s8-phones-are-here/

It's not out for the T-Mobile Note 8 yet. While ATT and T-Mobile have both pushed the S8 and S8+ updates, only ATT (and earlier Sprint) has pushed the Note 8 Pie update.

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Again, that says only At&T note 8. Not for the T-mobile note 8.

What happened to firmware science? Nothing shows anymore

ultimatepump said:
What happened to firmware science? Nothing shows anymore
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Site works fine for me.

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Garbage article. That's the S8 update.
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They backtracked. LOL
https://tinyurl.com/yyaqbtlf

So I guess the V20 isn't getting Android Pie officially now?

Haven't seen much talk about it on the web for a while. Wasn't it supposed to come out in Q3 or Q4 if so?

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Haven't seen much talk about it on the web for a while. Wasn't it supposed to come out in Q3 or Q4 if so?
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Apparently only the Korean variants got pie, the rest of us got screwed.
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Apparently only the Korean variants got pie, the rest of us got screwed.
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Damn, where can I download "Screwed" for my phone?

If I remember correctly, the Oreo update was later than projected. Don't give up hope yet (though you may be right).

I wish they would ship the update. They must have completed 95+% of the required work since the Korean V20 phones are updated.

Explore3 said:
I wish they would ship the update. They must have completed 95+% of the required work since the Korean V20 phones are updated.
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Agreed

American providers are notoriously slow to approve updates especially when they declare a phone eol and drop network support...

I'm not sure why this is such a big deal. Oreo doesn't even completely work well on the V20, so why should I be enthusiastic about getting a version of Pie that has a jacked up second screen and various other issues like the Korean V20 variants? I'd rather have a fully functioning device than something with newer software but still broken and outdated.
It's Windows 8.0 fever in here. Or Magisk 20.2 fever. Whatever your choice of not fully tested software is.