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Best Rom for ram usage

I have my nexus 10 rooted and for some reason i am seeing the ram is always near full... Now I know 4.2.2 OS does a great job of using optimizing the ram usage. My question is what rom do you think is best for less ram being used ? Just your thoughts and opinions

dia_naji said:
I have my nexus 10 rooted and for some reason i am seeing the ram is always near full... Now I know 4.2.2 OS does a great job of using optimizing the ram usage. My question is what rom do you think is best for less ram being used ? Just your thoughts and opinions
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From my experience, roms based on stock. For some reason roms that have a lot of features eat a lot of memory, its like the os uses that much. CleanRom is based on stock and is pretty smooth and performance wise. A opod choice is also TeamEOS, which only has basic custom features.

dia_naji said:
I have my nexus 10 rooted and for some reason i am seeing the ram is always near full... Now I know 4.2.2 OS does a great job of using optimizing the ram usage. My question is what rom do you think is best for less ram being used ? Just your thoughts and opinions
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thoughts - sabermod
oppinion - because its sabermod
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dia_naji said:
I have my nexus 10 rooted and for some reason i am seeing the ram is always near full... Now I know 4.2.2 OS does a great job of using optimizing the ram usage. My question is what rom do you think is best for less ram being used ? Just your thoughts and opinions
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Unless you're seeing significant performance problems, full RAM usage is a good thing, not a bad one. It means your system is doing its utmost to avoid far more expensive I/O operations to the eMMC flash memory. You also shouldn't really be able to "see" the system performing these optimizations, as they're designed to happen silently in the background.

unfortunately with the N10 full RAM brings issues like stuttering, significantly slowdown in performance and the occasional reboot. This has been seen and reported by numerous users here on the forum and I agree with them. There are workarounds, yes, but the problem still exists. This device - for whatever reason - acts very sensitive to little (below 150MB) available RAM.
Having said that: I think SentinelROM has been best so far, but you will still have to reboot every now and again. But the ROM is using different Mali drivers which seem to cure many of the laggy scrolling issues others seem to have (try Firefox browser for example).

mrruin said:
unfortunately with the N10 full RAM brings issues like stuttering, significantly slowdown in performance and the occasional reboot. This has been seen and reported by numerous users here on the forum and I agree with them. There are workarounds, yes, but the problem still exists. This device - for whatever reason - acts very sensitive to little (below 150MB) available RAM.
Having said that: I think SentinelROM has been best so far, but you will still have to reboot every now and again. But the ROM is using different Mali drivers which seem to cure many of the laggy scrolling issues others seem to have (try Firefox browser for example).
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"Numerous users" is a very nebulous claim, and not at all useful. I don't deny that it happens, but unless you can demonstrate that RAM usage is the culprit for lag (a very difficult feat when you consider all of the lurking variables "lag" entails), it's a pretty tall claim to say that it's a "full RAM" problem. This is especially important when you consider that problems with low memory management, handling paging to disk, and killing activities are highly ROM/kernel-dependent.
FWIW the uptime on mine, running Carbon ROM regularly exceeds one to two weeks without lag, and even then the reboots usually happen because I forget to charge the device and it dies in the night.

Sure you can make a science out of everything. Just look at the reports in this forum, they sing a pretty similar tune. Last but not least I have seen this on my own tablet as well. *shrug* for me it is what it is, I know a solution and have no lag our stutter.

mrruin said:
Sure you can make a science out of everything. Just look at the reports in this forum, they sing a pretty similar tune. Last but not least I have seen this on my own tablet as well. *shrug* for me it is what it is, I know a solution and have no lag our stutter.
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Recognizing the difference between anecdotal and empirical evidence isn't "making a science out of something," it's part of being a halfway-informed human being. Deliberately choosing to run by anecdotes alone isn't simply illogical, it's folly, and usually leads people into doing some very, very stupid things (this is precisely how snake oil cures get spread around: "look at all these people who said this works! I'll try it too because they think it works!")
Seeder is a great example for one of these imaginary non-problems. Lagfix is an example of the opposite-- it was built by an informed developer who knew the exact hardware problem they needed to target, and did just that.
That you saw it on your tablet really means nothing more than you've run ROM/kernel combinations that don't deal with low RAM very well. Which says nothing bad about you, but doesn't really bode well for the efficiency of that software combo.

Nexus 7(2012) still bad performance with 4.3

Hey guys,
I installed 4.3 (stock) on my nexus and hoped that it would improve the performance but was not good at all. Then I tried paranoid Android and it still lags so bad. Do you experience the same?
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Nope
What do you mean about bad performance? Do you have any quantitative data or just a qualitative?

vndnguyen said:
Nope
What do you mean about bad performance? Do you have any quantitative data or just a qualitative?
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I mean that it there are a lot of lags and sometimes the tablet doesn't respond at all...... I barely have installed any apps and I only have a few pictures on it

gsindl00 said:
I mean that it there are a lot of lags and sometimes the tablet doesn't respond at all...... I barely have installed any apps and I only have a few pictures on it
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Then it won't be a hassle to factory reset it. I just did mine, and it's flying again, before it was laggy as hell.
Apps you remove leave stuff behind, eventually it gets cluttered, what can you do.

How many do you get in Quadrant benchmark?
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gsindl00 said:
Hey guys,
I installed 4.3 (stock) on my nexus and hoped that it would improve the performance but was not good at all. Then I tried paranoid Android and it still lags so bad. Do you experience the same?
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Hi, gsindl00...
Jellybean 4.3 build JWR66Y (stock rooted) is running great on my Nexus 7... no lag at all.
A question... how much free space do you have left on the internal storage of your Nexus 7?
I ask because a recent experience of mine occurred that may have some bearing on your problem.
I have a 16 Gb WiFi only 'grouper' Nexus 7... but only 13.24 Gb is available to the the user.
Now, at frequent intervals I make Nandroid backups using TWRP. These backups take up significant space, routinely clocking in at around 2.5 Gb's. Due to their size, and for this reason, I only ever keep two backups on my Nexus 7 at any one time - an 'untouched, unmodified and unrooted' backup of factory stock, should I wish to quickly (for whatever reason) restore back to pure factory (without having to pull out my laptop and resort to fastboot)... this backup clocks in at around 600 Mb. This backup never gets deleted, and remains constantly on my Nexus 7.
The second Nandroid backup is a backup of my current setup, and frequently gets deleted and made anew, roughly once a month.
Several days ago, I created a new Nandroid, BUT FORGOT TO DELETE MY OLD ONE. As I have already mentioned, these backups are quite large, and with everything else on my Nexus 7 (pics, movie clips and music), this pushed my available user space down to 1.27 Gb.
This very low available user space had a significantly deleterious effect on the performance of my Nexus 7.
After booting the device, the white-on-black Google screen would appear (as normal), after which, the pulsing luminescent 'X' boot animation would then seemingly take forever to appear, and then hesitantly (as though the device was struggling to boot).
Anyway, it did boot and upon success, my widgets (I have several), would all have to reload again, which took a good half minute or so. Normally, they just appear on the Nova launcher desktop instantly. Several reboots later, and the lag and slow boot persisted, as well as the slow loading of widgets.
This peculiar behavior went on for several days... I couldn't understand it!
I was on the verge of restoring back to stock, when I remembered the undeleted Nandroid backup.
So, booting into TWRP, I deleted the old Nandroid backup, and for good measure, I wiped Cache and Dalvik cache.
Upon reboot, I discovered I had a more healthy 4.9Gb of user space available, and the lag was gone.
Anyway, my point is this (and it really has nothing to with Nandroids or TWRP)... make sure you have at least 4Gb of free space on your device. Delete stuff you don't need (or backup to your PC), and occasionally use a cache cleaner like Clean Master.
Also, if you have TWRP installed, clearing out Cache and Dalvik Cache sometimes helps.
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Since Jellybean 4.3, fstrim/discard has been fully implemented (it was always there in 4.2.2, but it wasn't enabled). Under 4.3, fstrim/discard now runs regularly, but only under certain conditions...
QUOTE- "The folks at AnandTech mention how TRIM will run when your tablet is idle with the screen off and sitting with a battery life of 70 percent or greater. The issue with the previous model Nexus 7 is that while TRIM support has been around since Android 4.2 — it wasn’t enabled. And regardless of how good a feature can be, if it is turned off then it will not do anything."
SOURCE -http://androidcommunity.com/nexus-7-2012-getting-performance-boost-with-android-4-3-update-20130729.
See also here for more technical and interesting info on 'fstrim'.
So, 'fstrim' is now part of Jellybean 4.3... and will run at regular intervals, providing the battery is above 70% and the Nexus 7 is 'sleeping'. But there's nothing to stop you from running 'fstrim' yourself with this app. Particularly after you've JUST deleted some really big files. You will need to be rooted of course.
Right... apologies for the length of this post... just wanted to reference my own experiences in the hope it might help.
Rgrds,
Ged.

Disable the bloatware Apps that you don't need/use like Google currents.
Throw on ASOP Browser. I believe that needs root to install, but IMHO that browser smokes Chrome.
IDK disabling bloat and using a better browser definitely changed my opinion about the N7 being slow.
Also Google around, there's different tips and tweaks to make your N7 perform better, but with those 2 tips above I saw immediate results for the better...
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ccrows said:
Disable the bloatware Apps that you don't need/use like Google currents.
Throw on ASOP Browser. I believe that needs root to install, but IMHO that browser smokes Chrome.
IDK disabling bloat and using a better browser definitely changed my opinion about the N7 being slow.
Also Google around, there's different tips and tweaks to make your N7 perform better, but with those 2 tips above I saw immediate results for the better...
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...throw on ASOP Browser. I believe that needs root to install...
Not anymore.... check out this thread...
AOSP browser without root.
Although on a Nexus 4 forum, I can (as can others) report it works great on the Nexus 7 as well. Only downside is, I've never been able to get Adobe Flash Player to work with it.
Rgrds,
Ged.

performance issues
Im a noob, but a CM 10.2 nightly with the latest Franco kernel, then flash the jubei test script gave me a significant boost in performance. Made the thing useable again in my book.

Try setting governor in kernel to performance. Makes a huge difference for me. I don't use my tablet enough in a day to kill it. Gets over 4 hours screen on time.
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No cpu core ever turns off

I'm on elementalx. Does anyone have the same issue?

They do, it's just a cosmetic issue with the app. This has been discussed in the Elemental X thread.
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That's what happens when you release the phone 2 months later in europe I guess. Nobody has a clue about anything anymore. Thanks for clearing things up.

this is how it should be by default. As I understood, Google made some changes in kernel sources, all kernels are now displayed active, however, they are not. Google decided to do so, because it is more convenient to have all kernels active, they can just boost up when it needed to be done, so device works much faster and at the same time it does not affect battery life

The cpus dont go offline.
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Opo or opt

I play lot of games and need good battery. Will use for two years at least.
These are my basic needs. Pls lemme decide between these two phones.
Scratching my head regarding, mmm, sorry to say again, SD 810 issues.
Am huge fan of cyanogenmod. Is oxygen os treating you well guys. Or cm with opo is better.

Oneplus 2, with modified thermal you can play games without aggressive thermal throttling. SD 810 rumors are exaggerated
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Migdilu said:
Oneplus 2, with modified thermal you can play games without aggressive thermal throttling. SD 810 rumors are exaggerated
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I am an aggressive flasher. First thing I do is root. Currently using moto x play. Will switch optwo I think.
Wanted to know the users experience. Marketing hype backfired oneplus image I guess.

Previous OPO, currently OPT owner here. I can't wait for the day there's a reasonably good version of CM available for OPT (be it 12.1 or 13). Reasonably good for me means things like camera and gps work at all times and common apps like FB don't force close. I am even willing to give up on fingerprint scanner even though I do (and have to) use password to unlock the device.
Once that moment comes, OOS is gone from my OPT forever. OOS on OPT is nowhere close to CyanogenOS (not to confuse with CM, but IMHO the two are comparable) on OPO was. Really, this change was a major step back software-wise. OPT may be a great piece of hardware, but OOS - in my humble opinion - cripples it and, I have to repeat myself, is absolute rubbish compared to CyanogenOS.
Put it in another words, if I knew how bad stock firmware OPT comes with, I would stay with OPO without any hesitation, period.

Thanks for the feedback. That's the dilemma for me. I know opo had great os. Unfortunate that they had to develop their own os.
Have to keep fingers crossed with oxygen os. I have heard that they gave two updates now and the devices have better battery life.

Gopinath15 said:
I have heard that they gave two updates now and the devices have better battery life.
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They push updates monthly, but it's all just minor stuff from my perspective - bug fixes that didn't even bother me, for example some dual sim issues. I didn't have any battery issues since Day 1.
I guess it all depends on your use case and past user experience - for example, if this was my first encounter with Android, I could be easily thrilled about OOS. But, it's not - and I'm not. At all.

If you like CM badly, buy OPO now. Sell it and get OP2 when marshmallow is officially out and cm on OPT is stable.
You may feel that this is a bad suggestion but this is my honest opinion unless you are willing to use Oxygen with custom kernel for now.
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Ive had them both too. The OPO has a lot going more custom roms if that's something you're interested in. The OPT doesn't have much in the custom rom department yet. The 5.1 roms you won't have fingerprint scanner or lazer auto focus. But if you root and install xposed and a few of the modules and add boeffla kernel, i pulled over 91,000 on antutu. The SD810 only gets warm when i do a back-up, wipe and install all in a row. The firngerprint scanner is really convenient a long with the alert slider

emelsk said:
Previous OPO, currently OPT owner here. I can't wait for the day there's a reasonably good version of CM available for OPT (be it 12.1 or 13). Reasonably good for me means things like camera and gps work at all times and common apps like FB don't force close. I am even willing to give up on fingerprint scanner even though I do (and have to) use password to unlock the device.
Once that moment comes, OOS is gone from my OPT forever. OOS on OPT is nowhere close to CyanogenOS (not to confuse with CM, but IMHO the two are comparable) on OPO was. Really, this change was a major step back software-wise. OPT may be a great piece of hardware, but OOS - in my humble opinion - cripples it and, I have to repeat myself, is absolute rubbish compared to CyanogenOS.
Put it in another words, if I knew how bad stock firmware OPT comes with, I would stay with OPO without any hesitation, period.
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Check out pacman rom cm 12.1, there's a build somewhere near December 3rd that is literally perfect. I've been running it since that day and absolutely everything works out of the box, camera at 13 mp, Snapchat, GPS, amazing battery/performance, and Facebook. Obviously no fingerprint and laser auto focus but its by far the best cm rom I've used on this phone, cm 12.1 nightlies are getting buggier and buggier it seems and I've had no reason to switch from this. Use dualboot if you're hesitant

I am using moto x play at the moment. Need another mobile now. One plus two is impressive lookwise.
I was going through op2 forum. Seems buzzing. I ll be active here once I get one plus two.
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emelsk said:
Previous OPO, currently OPT owner here. I can't wait for the day there's a reasonably good version of CM available for OPT (be it 12.1 or 13). Reasonably good for me means things like camera and gps work at all times and common apps like FB don't force close. I am even willing to give up on fingerprint scanner even though I do (and have to) use password to unlock the device.
Once that moment comes, OOS is gone from my OPT forever. OOS on OPT is nowhere close to CyanogenOS (not to confuse with CM, but IMHO the two are comparable) on OPO was. Really, this change was a major step back software-wise. OPT may be a great piece of hardware, but OOS - in my humble opinion - cripples it and, I have to repeat myself, is absolute rubbish compared to CyanogenOS.
Put it in another words, if I knew how bad stock firmware OPT comes with, I would stay with OPO without any hesitation, period.
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Exact same as him and I can't agree enough. He nailed it

Gopinath15 said:
I play lot of games and need good battery. Will use for two years at least.
These are my basic needs. Pls lemme decide between these two phones.
Scratching my head regarding, mmm, sorry to say again, SD 810 issues.
Am huge fan of cyanogenmod. Is oxygen os treating you well guys. Or cm with opo is better.
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Oneplus 2 for sure. I also came from Mi3W. There is very less heat when compared to Mi3W. Recent updates in OPO has been and seeing the Oneplus forums flooded with OPO software issues. OP2 has been getting good updates and most of the bugs are cleared now. Go for OP2 you may not regret it.

Like how opo was at its early age. It was glitchy and needed a lot of bugs to be squashed, but it ended up being so good that it's still getting praises compared to current flagships. That could very likely be the same opt it's buggy now, but once it starts rolling expect it to be a beast also

demongokul said:
Oneplus 2 for sure. I also came from Mi3W. There is very less heat when compared to Mi3W. Recent updates in OPO has been and seeing the Oneplus forums flooded with OPO software issues. OP2 has been getting good updates and most of the bugs are cleared now. Go for OP2 you may not regret it.
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I was using mi3 for an year and half and active in miui forums. Lost it and got moto x play. Shall get op2 soon. Thanks for suggestion )
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I was using mi3 for an year and half and active in miui forums. Lost it and got moto x play. Shall get op2 soon. Thanks for suggestion )
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is moto x play is good device? .

Tatsuya_ said:
is moto x play is good device? .
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Oh yes. I thought 615 sd will heat. Motorola really did a good job. Doesn't hear you and giving a great battery life. It has exceeded my expectation
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OP2 is receiving prompt updates every month so far and snapdragon810 was proven tame-able with correct kernel setup and parameters (like Boeffla kernel for an example)
If you expect op2 to work great out of the box I would say no. But if you try to tame it by following guides available here, it is a bang of a buck for its price compared to other snapdragon810 devices in its era
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Dual sim needed?
Or
Custom rom and developer friendly?
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As a newly OPT owner (used it for a month now), I would look elsewhere for a phone at the moment. All the custom roms are crippled (can't use AutoFocus, can't use Fingerprint scanner), OOS is ehh (even with their minor updates), OOS has a slight lag to the phone, and battery life is only so-so. Don't forget there's no quick charging. If you don't need dual sim, maybe take a look at nexus 6p.

madferretx said:
As a newly OPT owner (used it for a month now), I would look elsewhere for a phone at the moment. All the custom roms are crippled (can't use AutoFocus, can't use Fingerprint scanner), OOS is ehh (even with their minor updates), OOS has a slight lag to the phone, and battery life is only so-so. Don't forget there's no quick charging. If you don't need dual sim, maybe take a look at nexus 6p.
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The person created the thread lives in India. Nexus 6P costs 60% more than the Oneplus 2.

curnals used to over clock nexus 7 2012 with lollipop, 5.1.1

Hi All,
Yep, a nubie here. Recently, I have obtained a first generation nexus 2012 tablet, after my polaroid dying, and not liking samsung. to start with, I was worried of getting it, as the hardware, after all, is 5 years old, and was worried of it lagging, sort of like the iphone 4s did on IOS9. unfortunately, I was right. as a talkback user, the tablet is almost beyond useless. it's up to the point, where if I turn it off, and turn it back on, I can't use it for a good 5 minutes, the lag just takes control, and there's nothing I can do. So I started looking around, and came across over clocking. I've found 2 curnals that claim to do this on the nexus, but one is for JellyBean, and the other is for marsh mallow, and in the case of the latter, it's for the 2013 model. so my question is simply this. what curnal can I safely install on this tablet, without recking it, that will allow me to over clock? a quick search on here didn't get me far, so thought I'd post.
PS. clearing the cash partition fixes the lag for about 2 days, that is really not an option.

What you should do is install a lollipop custom ROM. I recommend paranoid Android lollipop. Also install team win recovery project. These reduce lag. Overclocking is not advised as it can already get Pretty hot under load.
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Hi,
first, thanks for the reply, and this leaves me 2 questions.
1] how is the accessibility of custom RAMS?
2] if I install a custom RAM, [which I thought about, anyway] any particular reason why I shouldn't go higher, to say, android 6 or 7? thanks much.

You could go higher but performance will vary but there are custom ROMs that do let the device go higher I just can't guarantee speed ad reliability.
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