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[Q] Simple question - NAND & Android on HD2 - Why we still cannot get working NAND v.
Well, my question is simple :
Why we still dont have NAND version of Android ?
Is it problem with .... drivers or anything else ?
Please tell me what is the problem. Why its so hard to develop working NAND Rom ?
screen orentation sensor makes the screen lag ... and there are still some major bugs
Why is there so much craving for a NAND version?
What's wrong with having Android running from the SDcard?
As long as that still doesn't function 100% (screen/g sensor/footprints in sense etc..), why would you want to have a Nand version? I doubt that that will actually change anything.
KrewsialNL said:
Why is there so much craving for a NAND version?
What's wrong with having Android running from the SDcard?
As long as that still doesn't function 100% (screen/g sensor/footprints in sense etc..), why would you want to have a Nand version? I doubt that that will actually change anything.
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I guess the myth is if it's NAND then battery will be better which I really doubt.
Sorry but it's not an answer.
Many people want to have Nand version and it's their choice , but
it could be a good idea to tell us why there is so many problems
to create this kind of rom.
What parts are missing ....
What needs to be compiled ...
What to repaired...
Need some tech informations about this .
Who knows , many people is to busy to try create whole rom , but
there is many of us who knows programming and could Help .
But if someone will tell us what is a biggest problem ...
Linux was creating by many people , so maybe this time we can find solution together ?
Do a search!
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So what if i will use search.
I will get 2,000 posts with small ammount of answers.
Will be easier if any dev will completly with details
answer this question.
It will stop another 2,000 posts to occur .
Many questions - one answer.
It isn't working because only a handful are working on it while the rest whine and think a lame post begging for an eta will motivate the devs. If you want it done pick up a book and start learning about linux coding. It isn't done yet because nobody tries on their own.
Just because the initial development was lightning quick doesn't guarantee it will all tidily come together at the same rate.
Do you remember what appeared on your HD2 when you first turned it on? Windoze f'ing mobile. Be grateful for what you have.
To motivate the coders even a bit more you could create a "Who will be the 1st Android NAND coder" thread where users can donate cash for the price money.
The 1st coder who does so will win the cash.
Me.. I've donated cash already to some of the coders here, and I can wait till we have a stable good working version.
htc-hd2 said:
To motivate the coders even a bit more you could create a "Who will be the 1st Android NAND coder" thread where users can donate cash for the price money.
The 1st coder who does so will win the cash.
Me.. I've donated cash already to some of the coders here, and I can wait till we have a stable good working version.
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You know ... it could be a great idea .
If someone trusted will keep grand prize for this so why not ???
First person that will make a working rom will get a BIG PRIZE ....
might work .
After testing, if we see that it really works ....
I could donate if someone will start something like this.
I don't know how fair it would be to say the first to make an android would get the prize... Most likely it will be a cook making the rom using the work of many developers. It will be the same group of devs that got android working in the first place that will get it working on nand.... Dcordes, cotulla, netripper, etc... Might as well just donate. I'm sure it will be a group effort by them.
Nand is difficult because we will need a lot of new drivers to initialize the hardware... Right now winmo is used to initialize most hardware for android. I don't understand why you think it shouldn't be difficult... Look at other winmo devices that can run android... Only 2 out of a dozen can even boot from nand... And the nand versions are less functional than the versions run from sd card. It takes a LOT more work to get everything working on its own from nand without winmo to initialize hardware. I would expect the same with the first versions of nand booting for the hd2 also.... It will probably be nowhere near as functional as booting from sd until a lot of development is done. Be patient... It could be a long time before we have a nand bootable android that's anywhere as stable and functional as the sd bootable builds we currently have. I also doubt that speed or battery life will be much better with nand, if at all. We have great speed & batteries with our sd versions already... It will be hard to beat that with new nand versions, especially since many drivers for nand will probably have to be made from scratch. But you never know... We have some great devs and I've already been surprised with what they've accomplished.
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I guess you'll have to wait until the day you hire your own Android HD2 developer, then you can have them working on things that -you- want.
seriously, I'm not being sarcastic. I'm actually pondering about creating some sort of donations thread just to fix particular problems.
But, because this is a community driven effort, we are at the mercy of whatever developers/chefs want to have. If you don't like that, you may want to consider becoming a developer/chef yourself..
klopikxda said:
Well, my question is simple :
Why we still dont have NAND version of Android ?
Is it problem with .... drivers or anything else ?
Please tell me what is the problem. Why its so hard to develop working NAND Rom ?
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I'm actually quite happy with my HD2 running off of SD... It's actually faster than WM 6.5! Everything I have tested works including hotspot. Running mccm 1.5 with chuckydroid ROM
And I have the best of both worlds...Android and WM 6.5!
i was wondering how everybody feels about switching the two oss...place wimo on the sd and run android from nand...so you still have both. because from what ive been reading, having both oss on the nand is out of the question, unless you have a us hd2 that has more internal memory....just a thought
dontw said:
i was wondering how everybody feels about switching the two oss...place wimo on the sd and run android from nand...so you still have both. because from what ive been reading, having both oss on the nand is out of the question, unless you have a us hd2 that has more internal memory....just a thought
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There is no android app to shut down android and launch windows kernel, so that possibility is very far away if it's even possible. First they would need to get android booting off nand, which is a ways off, then a haret type app would need to be written for android that can launch the window ce kernel, which may be very difficult because windows is not open sourced, and then a version of winmo that will work with that will need to be developed.
I don't see this as being very likely to happen. If you want nand android, you're going to lose winmo.
Personally, I don't see why everyone wants to boot android from nand... It works so well from sd and you get to run multiple os on your phone. And looking at the history of nand booting android on winmo phones, the nand versions are usually less functional and don't really improve speed or battery that much. Doesn't seem worth it to change a multiple os superphone into a subpar android-only phone. But that's just me.
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I guess the simple question would be why? What do you gain from that setup compared to what we have today? You'd still get 2 OSes, but with a -lot- more work I presume.
right?
dontw said:
i was wondering how everybody feels about switching the two oss...place wimo on the sd and run android from nand...so you still have both. because from what ive been reading, having both oss on the nand is out of the question, unless you have a us hd2 that has more internal memory....just a thought
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I completely understand. I was just curious..Im sure there wouldent be any benefit of nand booting except another option and being able to shut up people from asking about it lol...I personally don't mind android running off the SD card...I have two and I use one as my everyday android build and I use the other for when new builds come out so I can try it out. Pretty sweet if yu ask me I'm sure some type of nand build will b out soon...everyone just needs to be patient
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Meh, I'd rather have our awesome devs working on meaningful things like the touch screen lag...
dontw said:
I completely understand. I was just curious..Im sure there wouldent be any benefit of nand booting except another option and being able to shut up people from asking about it lol...I personally don't mind android running off the SD card...I have two and I use one as my everyday android build and I use the other for when new builds come out so I can try it out. Pretty sweet if yu ask me I'm sure some type of nand build will b out soon...everyone just needs to be patient
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KrewsialNL said:
Why is there so much craving for a NAND version?
What's wrong with having Android running from the SDcard?
As long as that still doesn't function 100% (screen/g sensor/footprints in sense etc..), why would you want to have a Nand version? I doubt that that will actually change anything.
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footprint works on sense
i prefere sd card over nand ,easy switch between roms ,ihave 4 different roms on my sd card
I have been running Froyo for three days now as my primary phone Operating System. Although NAND is not available and may never be for the HD2, 99.9% of everyday functionality is.
At this moment, the only thing I can think of that doesn't work is WiFi tethering, which is not a big deal for me.
I thought about writing a tutorial along the same lines as my others; a simple, step-by-step method for locating, downloading, installing and running Android on our T-Mobile US HD2, but I am not sure that there is enough interest here.
Before anyone points out that there are such tuts over on the Leo forum, I would like to mention that they are poorly written and confusing for a complete newbie. I believe that I can do a much better job myself.
If I get 10 positive responses to this thread, whether by poll or by reply, I will write the tut. Negative responses will not count, but are welcome.
I think a simple step by step walk through is a great idea!
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newbie in need
I will jump on this band wagon...I would love to see a step by step guide to Android for my HD2 t-mobile us. I just got a 32g sandisc and thought about using my original 16g for Android. Can you advise me?
Thanks for the thread
I have already installed android myself. Was alot of reading before I felt comfortable to try. You are right, the documentation in the Leo HD2 forum can be overwhelming. Give it a go, I am sure it will be appreciated!
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I voted yes.. I was curious: what is the difference between running android on a normal hd2 vs the tmobile hd2? I just flashed a bios and radio on my us tmobile and I was about to attempt to run FroyoStone_Sense.
Android????
I thought about doing the android on hd2, but like you said, it seems to confusing, and dangerous, i don't want to brick my phone, and would i have to use another sd card just to run android on my phone. I am just safe running spb mobile shell along with htc sense that came with my hd2, i don't know, help me.
yes
yes - i would be interested in a tut for the tmo hd2
I think it's a great idea... Reading is important, but a lot of people here aren't that technical and I think that they do get lost in some of the verbiage used in the posts...
Please
I personally would greatly appreciate it. I fried my first HD2 playing with Android a few weeks ago. HTC was kind enough to send me a replacement unit. Long story short I would prefer not to make the same mistakes.
Good Idea
I think its a good idea i learned years ago how to flash phones and create different partitions on your sd card for different roms, but i did jack up my fair share of sd cards during the process, luckily never a phone lol. I think it would be good for other people to not have the same amount of issues. Been running android for months on my HD2 tried every flavor, but with recent releases it is finally good enough for everyday use.
Thanks!
Thanks to everyone who responded! The results were overwhelmingly positive, all the replies were "yes" and all but 1 of the 18 polled agreed as well.
As promised, I will start the tut immediately (flashing my phone now and will re-install Android in a bit to ensure I have the steps right) and it should be up this evening or tomorrow morning.
Moderators: Please feel free to lock this thread out and let it die, it has served its purpose
can't wait to try it out. Anyway to backup the current phone before flashing to android?
dotNet07 said:
can't wait to try it out. Anyway to backup the current phone before flashing to android?
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We aren't "flashing" per se. Your Phone's ROM is untouched, you just install and run Android from the SD card. When Android starts, most of Windows Mobile is shut down (I'm not 100% sure of the whole process, sorry) and Linux is loaded, which runs Android. If it helps, you could think of it as full-screen Emulator, but Android takes over fully.
I sync to Google via Exchange (see my sig for the link on how to do it yourself) and when I switched to Android, my contacts were also added along with the FB stuff that I added back in Sense on WinMo.
By the way, this thread is officially dead. I did indeed write the tutorial and it's in my sig as a link as well.
Hope this helps!
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Hey folks!
...I beg your pardon for possibly asking *goddamn* noobish questions here...but till now I really can´t get the point...
What will be the advantages of having NAND on our loved HD2? I´m really happy about the simplicism of impinging on the system so easily (e.g. changing the Kernel etc.). As soon as I intend to change something, I´m just copying the content of my SD-Card to the Desktop of my PC (backup)...after that I can mess around with android as long as I have fun with it...when something goes wrong, there´s always the possibility to make a rollback copying the backup on the SD again.
Will NAND reduce the battery drain to a minimum (i´ve read somewhere that this is false hope)? Will NAND make Android running faster than it already does? Will NAND quit with short screen freezes? Or what is the point here?
I´m sure the Devs do have a really good reason applying so much effort on the realization of NAND. I would be very grateful to understand how this reason looks like!
This question has been asked and debated a million times.
Short answer is that nobody knows, as nothing has been released. Ask a million of us this question and you will get a million answers. We just have to wait and see.
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Thank you for your answer!! Well, of course I´m deeply sorry then for posting this question! However I couldn´t find any answer on this when using Mr. search?! Perhaps this has been dicussed only within other topics? Hm,...
I think the only noticeable difference will be in boot up time... since you wont have to boot into winnow first, it will be much quicker to boot into android. Other than that it may improve battery life a little, but I doubt it will improve that much. You're still running android on ram whether it's stored on nand or sd card. It may make other small improvements, and may introduce a whole bunch of new problems. We'll have to wait and see. Personally, I like having the option to run winmo and android in the same phone, and don't think the small improvements nand will make will be worth losing winmo. Also, I think once magldr is released, there may be some of the same improovements when running it from SD card, as magldr will take out the need to boot into winmo first to get to android, but still allow you to keep winmo and run android from SD.
I am definitely looking forward to magldr, but don't care about running android from nand. As far as improvements made, we'll have to wait and see to know for sure.
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Lets not forget that once magldr is released we are a step closer to WP7 on HD2!
Also, installing applications on the HD2 takes forever and freezes up the phone because its writing to the SD card, where the ROM is too....
I have to say, I really don't see what all the hoopla is about.
What does NAND give us that we don't get already?
With SD-based roms, we can change, update, switch, multiboot, and mess around with everything we want without danger to our device. If anything goes wrong, just reboot and be done with it.
With NAND, we run the risk of completely destroying our device (I have been assured that's not the case), not to mention the hassle of updating and changing roms which in itself is a process that can brick the device - (again, I was assured this can not happen).
And with RAM builds, speed and boot isn't an issue anymore.
So what exactly is the big deal?
Please feel free to prove me wrong and provide some 'pros'/'yays' for NAND Android on HD2. The more we know.....
edit: In the meantime, I couldn't resist the temptation and tried out NAND. I take back everything I say, except the 'hassle' part. It's still a lot easier to change around and configure builds with SD based builds.
I don't have my HD2 yet, so it's kinda stupid to comment, but from what I heard RAM builds are not great for gaming.
I too am curious about this. I was about to flash the NAND Desire HD rom, but then thought about how rarely I need to reset my device (and thus wait for the boot-up, which isn't very long to begin with). The rom I'm using is JDMS 1.6.2, and, while I'd really like a RAM version, the thing runs really fast. And yeah, why not keep WM around, just in case it has something worthwhile to boot up with (doubtful... but one never knows). It is nice to just throw on another build and test it out, remove it if I don't like it.
Maybe someone has a good reason to flash the NAND roms... I guess, if JDMS came as one, I'd really like that.
I do, however, appreciate all the work the developers have put into this!
try it man! you will be amazed! Nand version blow every other build! stable fast !
can't give an unbiased view since ive no intention of trying a nand build/ rom.
main reasons:
i still like the option of having 2 OS's (if that's a word?), tho i haven't used winmo for some time i still want the option.
like being able to switch SD builds quickly
like being able to choose what size data img and not have to think about running out of space.
got to say tho... think it's a hugely impressive achievement what DFT have done.
interesting post, i was also thinking whats all the fuss about, but i know for some winmo is dead & buried.
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try it man! you will be amazed! Nand version blow every other build! stable fast !
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You'll see the difference.
NAND is amazing, i used to get serious lag when apps are installing/uninstalling.....it took care of that and market download speeds are flying
of course boot time is only seconds. i have tried sd and i have tried NAND.
NAND is better
I flashed nand because I wanted to get rid of WM. Booting Android form the sd card made everything feel unoffical and I hated it. It's strange I know. But Why not flash Android?
Windows mobile is Lame, boring and laggy at most no matter what, specially with the weather in the background, not to mention the lame/limited UN-icandy cheezy app store. Android is pure Icandy with tons and tons of apps/tools with stability and profromance.
What can Windows Mobile do that Android can't?
I would choose WP7 over WM 6.5 and Android over all.
Android Dominates.
Battery Life is also awesome, and download speeds are actually very fast. It's like having an actual Android phone.
also i must say i am disappointed to see a thread like this, on such a day in hd2 history. after dft and the devs have put in 3 plus month of work! this is not the type of threads that should be started....SMH
dapoharoun said:
also i must say i am disappointed to see a thread like this, on such a day in hd2 history. after dft and the devs have put in 3 plus month of work! this is not the type of threads that should be started....SMH
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Well, I agree that it's an amazing feat, but I don't think it's wrong to have the question posed anyway. Wasn't it DFT that got android working on the HD2 in the first place? So we're not really downplaying all their hard work, just wondering what's better about it.
There's just something cool about being able to tell someone, "Well, I can boot into WM, android, and linux... can your phone do that?" Our phones would seemingly be less unique. Well, whatever, I only use android anyway, so I should just take the plunge.
EDIT: Sorry, I realize that there are a lot of other developers that have gone into making android work. I just can't think of specifics
Pro:
- It's fast and stable. Little perks like slow market download speeds and slow wake-up time right after locking have been solved (although some SD builds had these fixed recently too)
- SD cards are now swappable and mountable (without corruption). I like this since I had a 2GB card laying around which I'd use just to store CoPilot maps on. With Android on SD, that wasn't possible.
- Uniformity across all devices (well, almost). No more different setups for everyone, which didn't exactly easen the process of debugging and smoothing things up. Also no more problems due to SD cards.
- Battery life? Haven't really checked this myself yet.
Cons:
- Not having WinMo. Nothing I care about, I tried WinMO for about 2 days, didn't like it (as I expected) and immediately switched to Android.
- A bit harder to switch builds, but still nothing too hard or time staking. Future easier solutions may appear too.
Overall, I'm very happy with this development. It doesn't bring any shocking innovations in se, but lays the (necessary) path for an even more complete HD2 android experience.
I have installed it and believe me I am really glad I got rid of WM! It's flying and not a single glitch or error so far, I will never go back to WM! And I never had SD android b4 so I can say installation was a breeze. Cheers and grats DFT!
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Yup I'm happy to hear DFT have released Nand but I still stick to RAM build as I can still switch to WinMo & Ubuntu build. It's amazing how things really work with our mighty HD2.
Nothing wrong about Nand build at least HD2 users can choose to use Nand or SD/RAM build.
can you get 2mah from running android on sd card? i dont think so..
Personally I think I'll be keeping android on my SD card for now, because I have peace of mind knowing that I can run WM6.5 (god forbid) if my android build messes up (which I have to say is getting rare, so I might consider NAND in the not-too-distant future)
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The pros for me are that NAND is faster for me in all three builds for their categories, and battery consumption is low.
The cons however, if you're like me and install a good amount of apps say 20 or so, 100mb or so isn't really going to cut it. And for some reason i can't get superuser working, i keep trying to update it but it says it's up to date already, which it clearly is not, and it keeps force closing itself with every app it is required for.
i like the nand personally and i think it very innovative and if u read carefully and take ur time to understand u cant go wrong with the installation i am trying it right now it great and if i need to take my phone back just flash the orginal wm rom got to luv it for those who want to keep dual boot i respect that but u should give nand a shot
I saw it before but am apperantly oblivious to it now; can someone link me to NAND installation instructions? Would be grateful.
I currently have absolutely no liking of WM, so IMO dropping it has been needed for awhile now. The only benefit I've seen is netflix (lol?) and even that should be up for grabs off the android market soon enough. I want speed and battery, and from the sound of it, NAND is taking care of business.
@Truaim - regarding link to NAND install intructions
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=893948
Don't waste your time!!!! OR at least if it's stable prepare yourself for the Bad Day
After several attempts form our friends to have a stable double system
WP7 and android.... on the same handheld, which was a huge success for developers...
The fake stability of what so called symbiosis got to end up
to be a saprophyte.....?!??!?
Discovered after a good usage of both data over gprs and voice calls,the movement from WP7 to Android was smooth, but the move from Android to WP7 was not after a while.
Several times different Android Versions,
the conclusion was SD card data good bye...
WP7 for good, Android data recoverable( camera,business sheets,or games). for 8G,or 16G sd cards...
we still need time to find the best combination, or at least find the real gap....
i welcome any suggestions or ideas to be shared....
Regards to:
Moiisse
Andro007
and me
I have dual boot system. Wp7 installed in Nand and gingerbread (american Android) in SD booted from magldr. So far they are working well. Can you specifically explain what the problems are?
Thanks,
I too have both working very well with no problems at all.
M8... this is a bold statement to make ...
Sd cards get broken avery day even with just winmo...
With no more info provided this is not to be taken seriously....
If you have any more info for this please share with us.
Else stop posting big loud statements like this
i don't get it, what is this post saying?
dual booting is not possible, or use of your SD card will break it eventually? :S
At least provide proof, or well, make sense
jianototi said:
Don't waste your time!!!! OR at least if it's stable prepare yourself for the Bad Day
After several attempts form our friends to have a stable double system
WP7 and android.... on the same handheld, which was a huge success for developers...
The fake stability of what so called symbiosis got to end up
to be a saprophyte.....?!??!?
Discovered after a good usage of both data over gprs and voice calls,the movement from WP7 to Android was smooth, but the move from Android to WP7 was not after a while.
Several times different Android Versions,
the conclusion was SD card data good bye...
WP7 for good, Android data recoverable( camera,business sheets,or games). for 8G,or 16G sd cards...
we still need time to find the best combination, or at least find the real gap....
i welcome any suggestions or ideas to be shared....
Regards to:
Moiisse
Andro007
and me
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what in sam hill are you talking about?
agreed, firstly this makes no sense, are you talking about moving from one to the other? quite a lot of folk got this working without issues so please explain in clear english
and rename this thread, WP7 has enough bad PR that is in reality utter nonsense without even more false statements spreading bad feelings.
it is normal that sd cards get slow or ven corrupt and needs to format with allot of use no thing to be taken seriously ,
Thanks and regards