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Hello guys! I am making this thread in order to solve the confusion about the display of the Xperia Z. I was a bit surprised today when I saw my rss flooding with the discussion of how crap the display was on the retail models.
To start of I would like to tell you all that both the Docomo variant and international variant of Xperia Z display are the same! They both are using the Renesas R63311 variant of LCDs. Which is using actually Sharp technology for the displays. Yeah it's not made by sony.
http://www.rsp.renesas.com/en/news/2012/news20120418.htm
So the issue of the color saturation between the international model and docomo model is suppose to be the calibration of the values of the display(a configuration in the kernel level).
In short the issue is within the software side and not the hardware so NO it's not true that sony did put cheaper displays on the international version compared to the docomo versions. Cause there's no cheap and premium edition of the Renesas R63311 model.
Now most of you would probably doubt me now on how I was able to tell you this and what are my sources.
Now being a kernel developer and have very solid knowledge with hardwares I would like to show you here concrete proofs of what I am talking about (Kernel developers are welcome to prove my point here)
Here is the kernel config file of the docomo version of Xperia Z
https://bitbucket.org/Don2x/so-02e-.../configs/fusion3_yuga_dcm_defconfig?at=master
The boolean configs for the display drivers is located in line 398 and 399.
Code:
CONFIG_FB_MSM_MIPI_R63311_JDC_MDY70=y
CONFIG_FB_MSM_MIPI_R63311_SHARP_LS050T3SX01=y
Looking at the Makefile
https://bitbucket.org/Don2x/so-02e-...7/kernel/drivers/video/msm/Makefile?at=master
the display drivers of those configs basically call out the files
Code:
obj-$(CONFIG_FB_MSM_MIPI_R63311_JDC_MDY70) += mipi_dsi_panel_r63311_jdc_mdy70.o
obj-$(CONFIG_FB_MSM_MIPI_R63311_JDC_MDY80) += mipi_dsi_panel_r63311_jdc_mdy80.o
obj-$(CONFIG_FB_MSM_MIPI_R63311_SHARP_LS050T3SX01) += mipi_dsi_panel_r63311_sharp_ls050t3sx01.o
Now how can I tell that it is the one used by Xperia Z?
If you view the board files of the Xperia Z the display if defined here.
https://bitbucket.org/Don2x/so-02e-...ch-msm/board-sony_fusion3-display.c?at=master
Code:
#ifdef CONFIG_FB_MSM_MIPI_R63311_JDC_MDY70
&jdc_mdy70_panel_id_dlogo_02,
&jdc_mdy70_panel_id_dlogo_2a,
&jdc_mdy70_panel_id_dlogo,
&jdc_mdy70_panel_id_1a,
&jdc_mdy70_panel_id_1a_02,
&jdc_mdy70_panel_id,
#endif /* CONFIG_FB_MSM_MIPI_R63311_JDC_MDY70 */
#ifdef CONFIG_FB_MSM_MIPI_R63311_JDC_MDY80
&jdc_mdy80_black_panel_id,
&jdc_mdy80_white_panel_id,
#endif /* CONFIG_FB_MSM_MIPI_R63311_JDC_MDY80 */
#ifdef CONFIG_FB_MSM_MIPI_R63311_SHARP_LS050T3SX01
&sharp_ls050t3sx01_panel_id_dlogo_01,
&sharp_ls050t3sx01_panel_id_dlogo,
&sharp_ls050t3sx01_panel_id_1a,
&sharp_ls050t3sx01_panel_id_1a_02,
&sharp_ls050t3sx01_panel_id,
#endif /* CONFIG_FB_MSM_MIPI_R63311_SHARP_LS050T3SX01 */
Now this alone proves that Docomo version indeed uses the display I mentioned. Now how do I prove that it is the same as with the international version? Of course by providing the kernel sources of the international version also.
Now here's the config file for the
International version of Xperia Z:
https://bitbucket.org/Don2x/intl.-y.../arm/configs/fusion3_yuga_defconfig?at=master
on line 391 & 392:
CONFIG_FB_MSM_MIPI_R63311_JDC_MDY70=y
CONFIG_FB_MSM_MIPI_R63311_SHARP_LS050T3SX01=y
Defconfig of Xperia ZL for reference here
International version of Xperia ZL:
https://bitbucket.org/Don2x/intl.-y.../arm/configs/fusion3_odin_defconfig?at=master
And board files of the international version of Xperia Z.
https://bitbucket.org/Don2x/intl.-y...ch-msm/board-sony_fusion3-display.c?at=master
Code:
#ifdef CONFIG_FB_MSM_MIPI_R63311_JDC_MDY70
&jdc_mdy70_panel_id_dlogo_02,
&jdc_mdy70_panel_id_dlogo_2a,
&jdc_mdy70_panel_id_dlogo,
&jdc_mdy70_panel_id_1a,
&jdc_mdy70_panel_id_1a_02,
&jdc_mdy70_panel_id,
#endif /* CONFIG_FB_MSM_MIPI_R63311_JDC_MDY70 */
#ifdef CONFIG_FB_MSM_MIPI_R63311_JDC_MDY80
&jdc_mdy80_black_panel_id,
&jdc_mdy80_white_panel_id,
#endif /* CONFIG_FB_MSM_MIPI_R63311_JDC_MDY80 */
#ifdef CONFIG_FB_MSM_MIPI_R63311_SHARP_LS050T3SX01
&sharp_ls050t3sx01_panel_id_dlogo_01,
&sharp_ls050t3sx01_panel_id_dlogo,
&sharp_ls050t3sx01_panel_id_1a,
&sharp_ls050t3sx01_panel_id_1a_02,
&sharp_ls050t3sx01_panel_id,
#endif /* CONFIG_FB_MSM_MIPI_R63311_SHARP_LS050T3SX01 */
You can see the similar display drivers being used by the international version & docomo version here.
So my point here is demo model or not. Docomo variant or not they all use the same LCD technology! There's no difference!
Now how do I prove to all of you that they're not the same kernel sources and I didn't just made duplicates and remove some files?
Compare these yourself.
Docomo version:
http://developer.sonymobile.com/dow...s/open-source-archive-for-build-10-1-d-0-317/
International version:
http://developer.sonymobile.com/dow...s/open-source-archive-for-build-10-1-a-1-350/
All in all the very basic logic here is that you can't use a single display driver on different types of hardware which should make a point that if two different sources uses the same driver only leads to having the same hardware.
Ok, excuse my noobiness here, but are the "display levels" able to be fiddled with? Or is it likely to be part of some binary that we can't do anything about.
M.
Does it mean we will be able to correct display issue with display calibration application ?
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When Comparing the NA Xperia Z (production carrier testing model) to a HTC One X, it is abundantly obvious the screen isn't up to par.
Not sure if software can correct atrocious viewing angles and contrast.
mattman83 said:
Ok, excuse my noobiness here, but are the "display levels" able to be fiddled with? Or is it likely to be part of some binary that we can't do anything about.
M.
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Hi! I only did a quick glance on the whole code to confirm that docomo and international version have the same types of display but I haven't messed yet with the whole display driver itself. I don't have any device yet to try messing with the driver configuration so I can't say yet. But most likely yes it is possible.
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Does it mean we will be able to correct display issue with display calibration application ?
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Suppose to be yes. Like what I have said above I don't have any devices yet to debug this one but if the display calibration software sony included in the ROM is directly controlling the color enhancement and gamma(for saturation) then mostlikely it is possible.
Maedhros said:
When Comparing the NA Xperia Z (production carrier testing model) to a HTC One X, it is abundantly obvious the screen isn't up to par.
Not sure if software can correct atrocious viewing angles and contrast.
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I don't own any HTC One series phones so I can't compare actually but they are a whole different type of displays so I really can't tell if it's possible to calibrate it to be on par with the One X.
Edit: I am not familiar with Tegra 3 might take a while before I can check HTC One X
Ok this is good news..gave a thanks
If the software isnt included ill try get an XZ from japan only..do thy sell unlocked units?
I have been totally put off xz now. Tinny speaker screen not up to par. M7 released today will wait now
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Same with me. My eye currently is on HTC M7 since I got attracted by the frontal stereo speakers. But if it's the same like other One Series with unremoveable battery + no sd slot then back on anticipating the Xperia ZL. Being a current HTC user I find sense a very battery hog type of UI. Having a small battery capacity and unremoveable one would be a very big no for me. My current HTC device has already killed 2 batteries in 2 years and I don't want that to happen on a unremoveable battery phone. At least let us change batteries if it died. lol don't want a disposable device on my hand.
Does the ZL use the same screen? Since it is thicker it might use a non economical IPS???
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Does the ZL use the same screen? Since it is thicker it might use a non economical IPS???
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ZL does use the same screen as Xperia Z and what's economical IPS? If you're talking about e-IPS it's Enhanced-IPS not Economical-IPS. There's no such thing.
Also isn't e-IPS made by LG? And the display here isn't from LG but from sharp.
As you can see in the document it is a LTPS type of panel.
Panel Low-temperature poly-silicon (LTPS) TFT
Hmmmmm, a lot of people seemed convinced these displays were from JDI... so this is not the case? Interesting.
IF they are all Sharp displays, could that explain relatively crappy screen performance?
wow relatively crappy?!??!
what the... i mean its not top of the notch 2013 highend screen, but it sure does look sexy as hell in my eyes...
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Hmmmmm, a lot of people seemed convinced these displays were from JDI... so this is not the case? Interesting.
IF they are all Sharp displays, could that explain relatively crappy screen performance?
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Even I was also convinced on the past. But when the kernel source code was released this confirmed the real display being used.
There are actually 3 types of TF displays in general which are being used by phones.
AH-IPS, LTPS and ASV
AH-IPS are somewhat the AMOLED killer(Might be the display used by HTC)
LTPS which is being used by Xperia Z/ZL are the displays which is famous for being low power
ASV on which has the advantage of having a clear wide angle display.
I assume sony did get the LTPS display for utilizing the low power feature it has. This probably the reason why every review we get says that we are having excellent battery life for a 5 incher phone with high end chipsets.
So I'm not sure about what you're saying about crappy screen performance but if you're talking about the angle washed out issue then probably this is a screen issue.
If it's the saturation of the overall screen I'd say it's a software issue
I'm sure sony could fix it. It's just a matter of setting the ARGB values of windows manager of ROM they compiled.
This must be the reason also why Docomo version has good display while others aren't. Assuming that the Docomo version is a customized OS and not the generic one probably different developers must have made/compiled the OS.
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wow relatively crappy?!??!
what the... i mean its not top of the notch 2013 highend screen, but it sure does look sexy as hell in my eyes...
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I agree they are great. By relatively crappy I was both referring to peoples perceptions of it and the fact that some people say the phones they have seen are great and others say they are bad. Originally it was believed the screen came from JDI, so if they are using screens from both companies that could explain this discrepency if the Sharp panels aren't up to snuff
found a decent description of the 3
AH-IPS
This display technology has been invented by LG. It is an abbreviation for Advanced High performing - In-Plane Switching LCD. It is being touted as the actual competitor to Samsung's 'Super AMOLED' display. In a competition held by 'Intertek', LG's AH-IPS display actually defeated Samsung's Super AMOLED in 2 parameters: Color-Accuracy and Power-Efficiency. You can find this display in the recently released LG Nitro HD.
LTPS
This is an abbreviation for 'Low Temperature Poly Silicon' LCD. One of the important characteristics of such displays is that, the drive circuits are directly integrated onto the glass surface which contributes to reducing the number of component parts designed on the outside substrate. This leads to the display's durability being enhanced. The reduced size of the TFT section leads to a crisper display and also leads to lower power consumption. You can find this display in the Lenovo LePad S2005.
ASV
This is an abbreviation for Advanced Super View display. The important characteristic of this display is that it offers excellent viewing angles and competes with the In-Plane Switching (IPS) LCDs. You can find this display in theMeizu MX.
yea sorry i sounded a bit harsh, my Z arrives today and the discussion about the display here just got me..
had a S2 for a year now, lets see how the switch will be cant wait to get home to my phone today in a few hours!!!!
sorry for OT
Phorgasmic said:
yea sorry i sounded a bit harsh, my Z arrives today and the discussion about the display here just got me..
had a S2 for a year now, lets see how the switch will be cant wait to get home to my phone today in a few hours!!!!
sorry for OT
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All good. I shall be getting the ZL as soon as it hits Canada in April. The screen easily destroys the one on my x10a, and that is all that matters to me.
Phorgasmic said:
yea sorry i sounded a bit harsh, my Z arrives today and the discussion about the display here just got me..
had a S2 for a year now, lets see how the switch will be cant wait to get home to my phone today in a few hours!!!!
sorry for OT
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Hi! If you don't mind could you try installing this software on your Xperia Z?
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.netmanslab.sa&hl=en
And see if you can fix the saturation like they say.
If you can then I can confirm that the issue is within the ROM it is using and not in the display nor the gamma values defined on the kernel.
vivftp said:
All good. I shall be getting the ZL as soon as it hits Canada in April. The screen easily destroys the one on my x10a, and that is all that matters to me.
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Same with me I wouldn't exchange the IR Blaster, smaller size, comfortable back portion, Cool notification lights, Dedicated Camera Button, higher battery capacity(even if it's way too little it's still higher)
over waterproofness & classy looks only.
Riyal said:
Same with me I wouldn't exchange the IR Blaster, smaller size, comfortable back portion, Cool notification lights, Dedicated Camera Button, higher battery capacity(even if it's way too little it's still higher)
over waterproofness & classy looks only.
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Well the only other thing the Z MIGHT possibly have over the ZL is drop test durability, but no way to know for certain until they're actually dropped. My guess is they will either be equal or the ZL will be better, but so far we've only seen the Z dropped and survive everytime just fine.
I do like the idea of the dock for the Z, but I can live without that. I do wonder if Sony will have a dock for the ZL too...
So there is this persistent myth that the docomo units have a better screen.
History of the myth
When one of the xda user finally realized that the demo units in the store where not the same as the hand built units from CES but actually retail units. He was suddenly sure that the DoCoMo units had a better screen. This with the same conviction as he had for the demo unit myth and as with the demo unit myth this made no logical sense and there was no hard evidence to support the claim. A new myth was born.
So now we have some Russian movie showing both phones site to site, there are several problems with this movie to constitute as proof (apart from the fact that most of us don't know what the hell they are saying).
1. everybody and his mother knows by now that the z has, lets say, less then stellar viewing angles, the docomo unit is always at a better angle than the standard unit, even when the phones trade places the camera changes position with them.
2. there are many photos and videos where different brightness are shown, it look like the docomo unit has the brightness turned down more than the world unit.
3. DoCoMo uses a black theme for menu buttons
original article:
http://mobiltelefon.ru/post_1362318685.html
they say the differences is very minor and not really noticeable and perhaps it could be fixed with the calibration tool. thus pointing to a calibration differences in DoCoMo firmware instead of different panel. the differences are simply to small.
So since no one actually did some tests on both units it is all a guess.
But what is actually claimed by people posting the Russian video?
That the docomo unit is using IPS and the world unit is not. There are 2 problems with that.
1. the world version is know to use e-ips
2. e-ips is known not to have the best viewing angles.
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/content/panel_technologies_content.htm#e-ips
So if the docomo version is better in that respect it must use a better IPS panel right? and docomo user have to be happy about the viewing angles right?
Well the thing is that they also point out the fact that it doesn't have the best viewing angels. just search for user reviews and or forum discussing the phone.
some examples:
http://review.kakaku.com/review/J0000005887/#tab
http://desktop2ch.info/smartphone/1361027676/?matome=1
So there you go according to actual users the DoCoMo version sucks ass well in terms of viewing angles.
So lay down your pitch forks and get some rest.
Closing tip:
if you think the Xperia z is an overpriced last years tech device with washed out colors the best thing is to not buy it.
stefanve said:
So there is this persistent myth that the docomo units have a better screen.
History of the myth
When one of the xda user finally realized that the demo units in the store where not the same as the hand built units from CES but actually retail units. He was suddenly sure that the DoCoMo units had a better screen. This with the same conviction as he had for the demo unit myth and as with the demo unit myth this made no logical sense and there was no hard evidence to support the claim. A new myth was born.
So now we have some Russian movie showing both phones site to site, there are several problems with this movie to constitute as proof (apart from the fact that most of us don't know what the hell they are saying).
1. everybody and his mother knows by now that the z has, lets say, less then stellar viewing angles, the docomo unit is always at a better angle than the standard unit, even when the phones trade places the camera changes position with them.
2. there are many photos and videos where different brightness are shown, it look like the docomo unit has the brightness turned down more than the world unit.
3. DoCoMo uses a black theme for menu buttons
So since no one actually did some tests on both units it is all a guess.
But what is actually claimed by people posting the Russian video?
That the docomo unit is using IPS and the world unit is not. There are 2 problems with that.
1. the world version is know to use e-ips
2. e-ips is known not to have the best viewing angles.
So if the docomo version is better in that respect it must use a better IPS panel right? and docomo user have to be happy about the viewing angles right?
Well the thing is that they also point out the fact that it doesn't have the best viewing angels. just search for user reviews and or forum discussing the phone.
some examples:
http://review.kakaku.com/review/J0000005887/#tab
http://desktop2ch.info/smartphone/1361027676/?matome=1
So there you go according to actual users the DoCoMo version sucks ass well in terms of viewing angles.
So lay down your pitch forks and get some rest.
Closing tip:
if you think the Xperia z is an overpriced last years tech device with washed out colors the best thing is to not buy it.
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I blind fool can tell the docomo display is superior by 1000 miles. Anyone who puts a regular display up to an ips will already feel stupid for even looking at th lesser one. The global xperia z has an even WORSE display than a regular lcd. Dont even try to compare it to an ips. The black levels and viewing angles are absolute ****, in person and especially in the russian video. It looks so fuzzy and with such poor contrast, it looks like someone piped a vga signal to it.
katamari201 said:
I blind fool can tell the docomo display is superior by 1000 miles.
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seem like an accurate description of you
2. e-ips is known not to have the best viewing angles.
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this isn't true.
Al Gore said:
this isn't true.
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since you wouldn't backup your statement with facts I will back up mine:
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/content/panel_technologies_content.htm#e-ips
"The main drawback of e-IPS in comparison with S-IPS is that the viewing angles are smaller."
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So since no one actually did some tests on both units it is all a guess.
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Couldn't agree more with you. The Whole discussion about the Display will never end. Though Sony even won't say they used different Displays.
The whole thing more likely came up because for some the Display is awkward, for others it's worst.
Personally i don't care much about the viewing Angels becuae i look STRAIGHT on the Screen and not sidewards. If the viewing Angels aren't the very best then at least the Guy next to me in the Bus can't see what I'm typing.
However I'm absolutely happy with the Display and couldn't find a Issue which would make me hate the Device.
I have the European Version.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLqgtJ7LwYY
we know full well that there are 2 different screens in the XZ.
why are you trying to fool people into thinking there aren't?
samxool said:
we know full well that there are 2 different screens in the XZ.
why are you trying to fool people into thinking there aren't?
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I don't try to fool people I just give my reasons why I doubt the video as evidence. Unless you have real proof of two different screens you just try to fool people there are different screens.
I'm not saying I know for sure that the screens aren't the same, but there is enough reason not to take that single video as proof. Now I have given my reasoning on why the video could be bogus and have given evidence that the owners of the Japanese model are complaining about the viewing angles as well, making a strong case that the same panel is used as the complains about the screen are the same.
The true believers of the video only point to that video, or to a blog post pointing to the video without refuting anything I said with evidence or solid reasoning. And thus only use circular logic as away to proof that there are different panels being used.
original article:
http://mobiltelefon.ru/post_1362318685.html
they say the differences is very minor and not really noticeable and perhaps it could be fixed with the calibration tool. thus pointing to a calibration differences in DoCoMo firmware instead of different panel. the differences are simply to small.
stefanve said:
original article:
http://mobiltelefon.ru/post_1362318685.html
they say the differences is very minor and not really noticeable and perhaps it could be fixed with the calibration tool. thus pointing to a calibration differences in DoCoMo firmware instead of different panel. the differences are simply to small.
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Hoping a kernel dev can make a kernel with an adjustable gamma like nexus devices.
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Yes Please !!!
Sv: *PROOF* Japanse display is THE SAME as world unit
To me, the fact that DoCoMo has an additional, optional theme with black bars instead of gray, seems to be the only difference if there is any..
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I love my screen it's one of the best feature of the phone not had any problems full stop.
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katamari201 said:
I blind fool can tell the docomo display is superior by 1000 miles. .
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Have you seen it in person ? Or are you saying that on basis of photos and youtube videos ?
guys, so can we say that this issue of docomo and international version is just the same screen quality, and unit?? and the whitewashed version is only the promotional version just like a dummy phone?? because its not i am a fan i just want only the truth. i hope we can clear this up.
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guys, so can we say that this issue of docomo and international version is just the same screen quality, and unit?? and the whitewashed version is only the promotional version just like a dummy phone?? because its not i am a fan i just want only the truth. i hope we can clear this up.
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Here is Sony denying the use of different screen types in response to an inquire from LordManhattan.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=38826141&postcount=366
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=38833952&postcount=368
Also he has asked the/a xda display expert to look in to things
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=38837751&postcount=370
Sony Xperia Z2 (C770X). The phone is code named Avatar and is equipped with a 5.2 inch IGZO Triluminuous Display with a 506ppi pixel density. If true, this would top the current industry leader, which is the 468ppi on the 4.7 inch HTC One. The silicon inside the phone would be the Qualcomm Snapdragon 800 MSM8974 Chipset and a multitasker's wet dream, 3GB of RAM, would be on board.
The 20.7MP rear-facing camera would support 4K video capture and a 3200mAh cell would keep the lights on. and Xenon Flash. And the Sony Xperia Z2 would give you a break as it said to run on Android 4.4 Kit Kat. Expect the new model to be on display at CES 2014 where it will have some pretty big shoes to fill. AVAILABLE TO PURCHASE ON APRIL
I think we need to slow down a little bit
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I think we need to slow down a little bit
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Sony will update their flagship every 6 months... If you want you have to buy it now. anyway processor is not updating.. ram will benefit only for multitasking. only display is updating. with that ppi it will be 2k display.. it means performance will be halved... i think it will be just some fake news with little truth
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I think we need to slow down a little bit
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I saw an article on the iPhone 8z...
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Sony Xperia Z2 (C770X). The phone is code named Avatar and is equipped with a 5.2 inch IGZO Triluminuous Display with a 500ppi pixel density. If true, this would top the current industry leader, which is the 468ppi on the 4.7 inch HTC One. The silicon inside the phone would be the Qualcomm Snapdragon 800 MSM8974 Chipset and a multitasker's wet dream, 3GB of RAM, would be on board.
The 20.7MP rear-facing camera would support 4K video capture and a 3200mAh cell would keep the lights on. And the Sony Xperia Z2 would give you a break as it said to run on Android 4.4 Kit Kat. Expect the new model to be on display at CES 2014 where it will have some pretty big shoes to fill.
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Fake rumor 100%
A site with no whereabouts published this rumor and all sites like phonearena and etc etc are spreading the rumor.
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Even if the rumour did turn out to be true the Z1 is still one hell of a phone and won't be lacking for performance for quite a while.
I thought Sony will be giving a more "Japanese-ish" device code name. Remember the Yuga - Togari - Honami?
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knightrazor said:
I thought Sony will be giving a more "Japanese-ish" device code name. Remember the Yuga - Togari - Honami?
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Avatar is japanese word i guess
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Avatar is japanese word i guess
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Avatar is a Sanskrit word, meaning "Incarnation". Sanskrit is one of the oldest languages that has its origin in India.
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Avatar is a Sanskrit word, meaning "Incarnation". Sanskrit is one of the oldest languages that has its origin in India.
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That is sanskrit meaning... but remember Avatar the air bender tv series.. it is not indian
This "rumor" seems to be no more than someone's wet spec dream. Moving on, nothing to see here.
As for the nomenclature: avatar is a hindu concept.
the rumour missed the OIS, IR blaster and 135gm weight of the Z2
Guess im going to have to get this phone... Its codenamed after me.
I cant believe these sites are posting these "leaks." Cough cough, phonearena. I can easily just submit a tip and make a educated guess on the specs.
Achieving 500 ppi would mean putting full HD resolution on roughly a 4.6inch screen, or on a 5.2inch screen you would have to bump up the resolution to something like 2560x1440 (these are rough figures... I haven't worked it out).
Apart from boasting about large numbers, the benefit of a slightly higher PPI would be negligible and certainly not noticeable to the human eye, and the extra processing power required would probably result in a noticeable performance loss (the higher resolution has almost double the number of pixels at 3.6m compared to 2.1m).
Also, IGZO tech hasn't even made it's way onto larger sized monitors on a large scale yet. The likelihood that it'll be good to go for Sony's next flagship is small.
Clearly whoever made these up is just dreaming and has no idea about the technology behind those specs.
If it really has an IGZO display I WILL get it. But we'll have to see about that. I haven't heard anything else about it so for now it feels like a pretty unbelievable rumor.
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Achieving 500 ppi would mean putting full HD resolution on roughly a 4.6inch screen, or on a 5.2inch screen you would have to bump up the resolution to something like 2560x1440 (these are rough figures... I haven't worked it out).
Apart from boasting about large numbers, the benefit of a slightly higher PPI would be negligible and certainly not noticeable to the human eye, and the extra processing power required would probably result in a noticeable performance loss (the higher resolution has almost double the number of pixels at 3.6m compared to 2.1m).
Also, IGZO tech hasn't even made it's way onto larger sized monitors on a large scale yet. The likelihood that it'll be good to go for Sony's next flagship is small.
Clearly whoever made these up is just dreaming and has no idea about the technology behind those specs.
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Personally, I think, its possible for next year's september flagship to have such specs but not the Jan one at all! Also like you said, the specs are too much to expect in a short period of time... Definetly made up and I don't expect anything of this to materialise!
and here we go again!
the device isnt even available worldwide and rumors of next device start!
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and here we go again!
the device isnt even available worldwide and rumors of next device start!
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And the cycle begins again.
This is so fake that I'll made a slogan:
The best of Sony got better. Again and again...
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Hi all
Does anybody have any idea why they have launched two high end phones? Whats the difference between the two?
which one will you go for?
Im a oneplus user but have a contract upgrade for my office phone so i need to pick a second android.. I like the fact that these have such great battery life but they seem quite similar to me
Let's see ...
The Play is somewhat of a mid-range phone with the Snapdragon 615 and "only" 2GB of RAM.
The Style with its Snapdragon 808 and 3GB of RAM is Motorola's high-end phone this year.
So you have the G 2015 on the low end, Play in the middle and Style at the top - seems logical to me..
moto x style is high end phone in one sim card edition and moto x play is high end phone in two sim card editionand it's not in one sim card
interested in getting the play edition
Don't forget the play's big 3630maH battery (the style is 3000) - it looks like an very well priced phablet sized workhorse and appears to be just what I need to replace my ageing 7 inch budget tablet and my 2013 Moto G. Looking forward to release and some hands on reports.
I think Motorola missed the mark by not releasing the X Play in US, because it's a perfect phone for the working class in US. But I guess there will be an exclusive Verizon version which I will not buy.
Most of my coworkers either have or want a phone like this. They can't afford a $600-700 phone, they have family and take lots of pictures, they want a big screen to share their photos/videos, they need battery life to last the whole day, they don't need some super high end specs or play games on it. Even though I'm in the minority who prefer small screen sizes, I think these affordable, midrange, large screen, big battery phones are a big hit today,
For me this device interest me because of the battery life and CPU, which isn't a power hog, so it will last even longer. 1080p is good, it will make games less demanding to run and still look good on a 5.5" screen. If I have to import this phone, assuming it's $299, it's going to end up costing $350+ after VAT, I might as well get a OnePlus Two for not much more.
I'm partly happy with the Moto X Style specs, since it's the first Moto X that probably won't have crap battery or crap camera, but Motorola decided to make it unpocketable. I guess it makes sense for them to go with the trend, since it will have a better recognition inside carrier stores.
This is a bit of a rant, but I personally am weary of buying a OnePlus again because I have many issues with the previous ones, mostly on the software side that ruin the experience for me. Such as:
All AOSP based OnePus One firmwares (AOSP, CM, Oxygen, etc) lack proper proprietary camera driver in order to have "proper" working continuous autofocus video recording. Only ColorOS roms have proper camera driver, except for some reason I can not install official ColorOS beta on my phone since it won't boot no matter what. You need the official version to get OTA. The latest ColorOS version is hosted on baidu website which required a mainland chinese phone number to sign up to download. Furthermore, ColorOS, while have good features, have bugs of its own and always a version behind. I don't want to end up with the same situation again.
This leave my only other hope with the upcoming Nexus. When I think Nexus, I think poor build quality, weak battery and intentional missing hardware features, unfortunately LG made it seem that way twice already.
eksasol said:
I think Motorola missed the mark by not releasing the X Play in US, because it's a perfect phone for the working class in US. But I guess there will be an exclusive Verizon version which I will not buy.
Most of my coworkers either have or want a phone like this. They can't afford a $600-700 phone, they have family and take lots of pictures, they want a big screen to share their photos/videos, they need battery life to last the whole day, they don't need some super high end specs or play games on it. Even though I'm in the minority who prefer small screen sizes, I think these affordable, midrange, large screen, big battery phones are a big hit today,
For me this device interest me because of the battery life and CPU, which isn't a power hog, so it will last even longer. 1080p is good, it will make games less demanding to run and still look good on a 5.5" screen. If I have to import this phone, assuming it's $299, it's going to end up costing $350+ after VAT, I might as well get a OnePlus Two for not much more.
I'm partly happy with the Moto X Style specs, since it's the first Moto X that probably won't have crap battery or crap camera, but Motorola decided to make it unpocketable. I guess it makes sense for them to go with the trend, since it will have a better recognition inside carrier stores.
This is a bit of a rant, but I personally am weary of buying a OnePlus again because I have many issues with the previous ones, mostly on the software side that ruin the experience for me. Such as:
All AOSP based OnePus One firmwares (AOSP, CM, Oxygen, etc) lack proper proprietary camera driver in order to have "proper" working continuous autofocus video recording. Only ColorOS roms have proper camera driver, except for some reason I can not install official ColorOS beta on my phone since it won't boot no matter what. You need the official version to get OTA. The latest ColorOS version is hosted on baidu website which required a mainland chinese phone number to sign up to download. Furthermore, ColorOS, while have good features, have bugs of its own and always a version behind. I don't want to end up with the same situation again.
This leave my only other hope with the upcoming Nexus. When I think Nexus, I think poor build quality, weak battery and intentional missing hardware features, unfortunately LG made it seem that way twice already.
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The US got the droid turbo didn't they? I don't know how cheap it is or whether its locked to a certain provider or what but the specs on it are a beast in comparison to the play - could potentially be the reason why they didn't release the play in the US.
Also, curious - how small are your pockets for the moto x style being too small to pocket? I remember fitting cd players into my jean pockets at one point so either I get gargantuan pockets on my jeans or idk :3
Got to agree with you on the nexus - I had the 4 and 5 and I loved them - but bad build quality and battery are what finally made me snap and look at the moto x this year.
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Also, curious - how small are your pockets for the moto x style being too small to pocket? I remember fitting cd players into my jean pockets at one point so either I get gargantuan pockets on my jeans or idk :3
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I have a OnePlus, it does fit in my pocket, but it's very uncomfortable if you walk around with it all day, and it's harder to bend and stretch while it's in there. It's better if it fit in the pocket and not feel like a brick at the sametime.
I thought the moto play and style were the same except the style is the European model
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I thought the moto play and style were the same except the style is the European model
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Nope - the play is a bit smaller, (5.5 vs 5.7 inch screen) has a much bigger battery (3630maH vs 3000maH), lower screen resolution (HD vs Quad HD), less RAM (2GB vs 3GB), lower spec processor (Snapdragon 615 vs 808), has fewer customisation options and is significantly cheaper.
http://www.xda-developers.com/two-new-moto-x-and-new-moto-g-announced-details-inside/
I don't seem to see the X Play as a mid ranged phone at all. It would've been the perfect phone if it was a bit more close to the overall phone size of the X (2014), but it is what it is.
I had several hands-on with the Moto X (2014) and I easily started loving it even if it has 5.2'' and that's relatively big for a phone in my opinion. The only things that keep stopping me to buy it are the 2300mah battery and the not so great camera.
I'm waiting here with my Z1C hoping that the X Play will feel in hand as good as the X (2014) and I can finally upgrade to a Moto.
The other option for me is the Nexus 5 (2015) but I really don't think they'll sport anything close to the Play's battery, as well as no micro-sd slot nor a 21mp camera. Last but not least, build quality.
I'm anxiously waiting for more in-depth reviews on youtube for the X Play.
Exactly my thoughts. Waiting for some more reviews and give them some time to iron out early production defects.
While I do love my Nexus 5, the battery has become a very important factor for me. I can't stand the fact to charge my phone every day.
They should just call it the Moto P (or something), having 2 completely different phones under the same "root" letter and than add some meaningless word at the end really ruins the beautiful simplicity of Moto branding.
I would really love to ask an Moto exec what were they thinking, it really makes no sense.
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I don't seem to see the X Play as a mid ranged phone at all. It would've been the perfect phone if it was a bit more close to the overall phone size of the X (2014), but it is what it is.
I had several hands-on with the Moto X (2014) and I easily started loving it even if it has 5.2'' and that's relatively big for a phone in my opinion. The only things that keep stopping me to buy it are the 2300mah battery and the not so great camera.
I'm waiting here with my Z1C hoping that the X Play will feel in hand as good as the X (2014) and I can finally upgrade to a Moto.
The other option for me is the Nexus 5 (2015) but I really don't think they'll sport anything close to the Play's battery, as well as no micro-sd slot nor a 21mp camera. Last but not least, build quality.
I'm anxiously waiting for more in-depth reviews on youtube for the X Play.
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It is midranged - but these days "midrange" is more than sufficient for nearly anyone, and more importantly, the "top end" devices this year are all Cortex-A57 based and that has some serious power efficiency issues.
Skyerin said:
The US got the droid turbo didn't they? I don't know how cheap it is or whether its locked to a certain provider or what but the specs on it are a beast in comparison to the play - could potentially be the reason why they didn't release the play in the US.
Also, curious - how small are your pockets for the moto x style being too small to pocket? I remember fitting cd players into my jean pockets at one point so either I get gargantuan pockets on my jeans or idk :3
Got to agree with you on the nexus - I had the 4 and 5 and I loved them - but bad build quality and battery are what finally made me snap and look at the moto x this year.
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Droid Turbo = crippled by Verizon
I really am not keen on anything this year that has a Cortex-A57 core (at least not any handsets) so the X Play was really attractive to me.
My only disadvantages in X Play are:
- no stereo speakers (x style have it)
- no ir (hand movement) sensors (x style have it)
- hd video not 60 fps and no hdr video (x style have it)
- no software video (and photo?) stabilisation (x style have it)
- 2 gb RAM, my 2yr old s4 active has it too (x style have 3gb)
But it has FM Radio, costs little less, swapable back covers in lots of colors, bigger battery and it's little more compact in size and weight. I'm torn between Style and Play
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forgeek said:
Hi all
Does anybody have any idea why they have launched two high end phones? Whats the difference between the two?
which one will you go for?
Im a oneplus user but have a contract upgrade for my office phone so i need to pick a second android.. I like the fact that these have such great battery life but they seem quite similar to me
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They didnt launch 2 high end phones they launched one high end device in the US and we got stuck with a midrange device here in Canada.
And they somehow mixed up the batteries lol. Smaller battery in the device with the bigger higher res screen lol. Its very confusing.
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My only disadvantages in X Play are:
- no stereo speakers (x style have it)
- no ir (hand movement) sensors (x style have it)
- hd video not 60 fps and no hdr video (x style have it)
- no software video (and photo?) stabilisation (x style have it)
- 2 gb RAM, my 2yr old s4 active has it too (x style have 3gb)
But it has FM Radio, costs little less, swapable back covers in lots of colors, bigger battery and it's little more compact in size and weight. I'm torn between Style and Play
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Dont forget only snapdragon 615 and smaller screen also
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Maybe that's for testing which type of phone is more needed: long lasting mid range or less lasting but higher end stylish with more features and selfies oriented? Maybe they're testing us
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This phone is starting to show its age. Eventually it will get too slow and/or the battery will degrade too much.
Has started looking at getting a new phone? The only other similar phone I can find at this size is the XZ1.
However I've been getting tired of Sony's poor camera drivers. It would also be nice to be able to record a 4K video longer than 2min in a warm environment. Plus I'd like an OLED screen in my next phone. Unfortunately the smallest phone I can find that meets all my requirements is almost an inch bigger.
I'm only thinking than my next will be a 5 inch screen but without frames because the market tendence.
But nothing more than 5.5" x 3" phone measures.
I agree. I think I'll keep using this phone at least through the end of this year. At that time, I will likely be forced to a larger phone just because there is nothing out there in a small size. Definitely something with a good camera HW AND SW. And something that is actually capable of record 4K video for more than a minute in warm weather without cropping down the video.
Who knows, maybe someone will go out on a limb and put out a phone that will fit in your hand. I think the fact that phone manufacturers have had to add features for "one-handed mode" that resize your phone so the rest of the screen is unusable so that you can reach the buttons or the various products that stick something to the back of your phone so you can securely hold the phone with one hand shows that there exists a market for a phone that you can use with one hand.
Xperia XZ2 compact.
But sadly i need fm radio and dual sim for my next phone. Both are absent in xz2 compact
If anyone finds a good alternative be sure to let us know
Would actually consider the XZ2 Compact if the camera on Z5 Compact wasnt such a big dissapointment, afraid it will be the same on the XZ2. I remember reading the specs and reviews about the Z5 camera being great, 23MP and all, reality was a whole different story...
Hi,
I agree! I want a phone that fits in one hand and in my girl-size pockets! The Sony XZ2 is even bigger. And again (!) no radio! The Z5c seems to be the last decently spec'd small smartphone ... I'm about to buy it for this reason. I mention I tried looking on aliexpress and not sure how great it would work but there's a VKWorld T2 Plus phone that looks like it may be worth checking out. It's thicker but length is decent and think may still fit the pocket! It's dual sim with independent micro SD, and dual screen! It's a flip-phone!! Remember how we used to be able to text without looking at your phone because you could just tap the buttons?!?! So the outside screen is touch, the inside one isn't and is controlled via the buttons... have a look.
What about Nokia 8 Sirocco ?
I also like the Z5c for the same reason, because it fits perfectly in one hand and is very powerful for it`s size. But i also think about upgrading and the best i found so far is this Nokia. The Nokia 8 (the previous version) was compared to Pixel 2 on most forums as for hardware with only drawbacks in the software category. So i think the sirocco version would be much better and although 0,9 Inch bigger it has almost no bezels and screen curved....
What do you think? Also i got my wife a Huawey P10, and it is actually quite good and not that big (5.1 inch) but i do not want same phone as my wife )))
EDIT :
I found out that it has lunched the XZ2 compact.
It is not as good looking as the Nokia 8 Sirocco but ...... i like it
Tarts5 said:
.... I remember reading the specs and reviews about the Z5 camera being great, 23MP and all, reality was a whole different story...
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Yeah, I remember reading reviews with statements like "since we assume this will be fixed with future software updates". I've learned the hard way to never believe those words.
It's sad that my 10yr old phone I had before the Z5 gets better reception (including GPS) and can sometimes take better photos.
Cameras on xz1 compact and xz2 compact are really one level better than z5 compact.
Shooting 4K video problem - it was because of 810 chip problems, not because of the camera.
So I think I've finally had enough with this phone. On my vacations/trips, when I really need the phone to last, I have to carry a secondary battery with me, keep the phone in airplane mode most of the time, and be very careful to get it to last through the day (and not strand me somewhere with no google maps).
Right now, the smallest phone that I can find (with 3.5mm jack, microsd), is the Samsung Galaexy s10e or A40.
Have any of you found any other phones possibilities?
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So I think I've finally had enough with this phone. On my vacations/trips, when I really need the phone to last, I have to carry a secondary battery with me, keep the phone in airplane mode most of the time, and be very careful to get it to last through the day (and not strand me somewhere with no google maps).
Right now, the smallest phone that I can find (with 3.5mm jack, microsd), is the Samsung Galaexy s10e or A40.
Have any of you found any other phones possibilities?
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I looked at both A40 and S10e in the store. Bought S10e after testing the camera on both. Been using it for 1 month, no problems so far. Not any custom roms available yet, but I imagine S10e will have a larger chance of getting custom roms than A40 because of popularity.
Why is no one mentioning xz1 compact?
I bought an XZ1 Compact as a replacement and I'm very happy with it. It's a lot faster than Z5C (and Z5C was already fast enough for me), and it has a lot of custom ROMs. Finally I can use LineageOS 16 on my phone, I was hoping it would be on Z5C too eventually but everybody seems to have abandoned this phone, and so did I. Z5C a great phone, but it's useless if it has no ROMs in development. So no regrets here.
TheVan28 said:
Why is no one mentioning xz1 compact?
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Uh, maybe because as of July 2019 it's nowhere near being readily available? Even the second-hand market for XZ1c is super-dry.
If you know this to be the case otherwise, then please: point us to your source for excellent-condition XZ1c. No, seriously: I am honestly looking for one (in black) and they are pretty much impossible to find, so any leads would genuinely be appreciated. I keep hoping I'll stumble upon an online retailer that still has a stash of these in new-old-stock condition for a reasonable price...
-- Nathan
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Uh, maybe because as of July 2019 it's nowhere near being readily available? Even the second-hand market for XZ1c is super-dry.
If you know this to be the case otherwise, then please: point us to your source for excellent-condition XZ1c. No, seriously: I am honestly looking for one (in black) and they are pretty much impossible to find, so any leads would genuinely be appreciated. I keep hoping I'll stumble upon an online retailer that still has a stash of these in new-old-stock condition for a reasonable price...
-- Nathan
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Where do you live?
I'm in Italy where it's available on amazon and you can easly find it at stores.
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Where do you live?
I'm in Italy where it's available on amazon and you can easly find it at stores.
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Lucky you. I'm in the U.S. I imagine this probably has something to do with it. I'm not sure if this is an *accurate* perception, but my perception nonetheless is that as soon as XZ2c was introduced to the market, XZ1c completely disappeared from all shelves -- both physical and virtual -- over here.
-- Nathan
Still very happy with my Z5C, but looking for replacements is a total guessing game, and there's nothing new that even compares with the small form-factor.
I still use the Z5 for everything (on standard OS) and although it's a little bloated with the larger apps (I had to clear off some unused apps recently), it still works very well.
I can't even find a 'new' XZ1C which appears to be the most comparable 'newer' unit.
Have to say I'm tempted by a CAT of some sort, simply for the ruggedness, but they're all over 5" screens. I'm actually surprised that CAT don't do a smaller form factor.
How about the new unihertz jelly 2
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How about the new unihertz jelly 2
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Aaaah, it's so cute! But Jeez! Only 2.45" display? Rather not.
I can strongly support the XZ1c as a replacement for the Z5c. Did this myself in summer 2019 and am very happy with it. Don't know about the XZ2c, though: It's got almost the same measurements but has this bulky back which I don't really like.
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I've had the XZ2 compact. I've lost it into the water so I'm back at my Z5c. Yes I know it's waterproof but it's a bit of a struggle to get it back out of a channel 5 meters deep.
The camera is indeed better, especially at low light situations, and yes, while it still has an IPS panel, colors are quite vibrant.
I noticed I was really happy with the smaller size of the Z5c, and I also like the fingerprint sensor being at the side, combined with the power button. I do miss the 960fps video shooting ability despite the fragments are really short.
I'm surprised I don't really miss the higher resolution of the display, which was the reason not to go for the XZ1c, so now that's out of the way I guess I'll be looking for a used XZ1c. I can't find any other reasonable phone with the same size. Also I'm quite happy with Sony's decision to keep the dedicated shutter button, which no other brand has nowadays.
I would almost go for a Palm Palm, but at about € 200 that's a bit too much to spend for a toy.