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Xperia X12 to ship week 3, 2011

Found this article about some possible features of the X12, or Cliaro (not eclairo as someone posted )
Rumours specs:
1.5Ghz TI OMAP 4 Processor
4" AMOLED screen 1080 x 720 resolution (looks a bit suss... what a weird aspect ratio)
Gyroscope
10mm thick
12MP AF Camera
and... a third UI to go with Time/Mediascape
If this is for real, say goodbye to support for the X10 after this year, as SE will surely place all their efforts on the newer device
But knowing me I'll probably jump to the X12 anyway
Link:
http://www.prlog.org/10926413-selec...indicate-slim-powerful-device-on-the-way.html

1080 x 720 on 4"
3.33" × 2.22" (8.45cm × 5.64cm) = 324.5 PPI, 0.0783mm dot pitch, 105300 PPI²

no surprise if this is real.
it's almost half year since last SE flagship.
but x12 is a weird name isn't it?
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No way. You can tell this is a lie because they will never have AMOLED screens. It will be a super LCD.
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why? sony use AMOLED in their walkmans...

gaolinde said:
no surprise if this is real.
it's almost half year since last SE flagship.
but x12 is a weird name isn't it?
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I've read in previous annotations of the rumor from within the past few days the x12 will have a 12.2 megapixel camera,
so not all that wierd. (kinda like X10 wasn't X3/X5 as it was a new branch of XPERIA phones)

Keep in mind that a rumor by any other name is still a rumor. I don't doubt most of the specs of this rumor but I wouldn't consider it anything more than rumor until it is officially announced by SE. Many details are likely incorrect or likely to change before it's finalized and announced.

Same for me, it looks like more like a rumour rather than fact.
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I dont think it's true, I beleive qualquam or what ever there name is JUST started shipping the new processors out and are excpected to be released by Q3-Q4 of 2011, that seems way to soon, plus we know how fast sony works on the software side.
X10 could have been released what, nov-dec 2009? and came out march/may 2010?
most of if could be true but the release date must be WAY off.

1080 x 780 = Standard NativeTV HD resolution

I bet is has no multi touch lol
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Why would Sony ship their flagship phone with screens made by other companies when they can use Super LCD screens that they use? They wouldn't use it in their flagship phone.
I have also seen another webpage claiming it to have a 1.2Ghz processor and a Super LCD screen.
There is no fact behind this.

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I bet is has no multi touch lol
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i bet it does ;p

Findee said:
Why would Sony ship their flagship phone with screens made by other companies when they can use Super LCD screens that they use? They wouldn't use it in their flagship phone.
I have also seen another webpage claiming it to have a 1.2Ghz processor and a Super LCD screen.
There is no fact behind this.
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Perhaps SE doesn't know they have a branch making screens?
Anyway lets just wait for an official statement. Guessing isn't going to change their plans.
If it gets released before we have froyo, there is a big chance it won't have grotto either.
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*lift rug, pick up brush, sweep x10 under rug, drop rug, sidle away whistling*
I guess this is what sony will do with the x10 if this x12 is a reality.

Looks like its a strong rumour though, also looks like 2 powerful phones, the other being a windows7.
http://www.xperiax10.net/2010/09/12...roid-smartphone-with-12mp-camera-1080p-video/
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succesor to the x10 pah, they've done feck all with the x10.

I guess using an AMOLED screen would be just like se though. Htc are starting to use SLCD and for good reason so se just have to go opposite the others.
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I hope they don't turn into Apple and start releasing a new model every year =(

No offence, but even if it as good as that spec says, I WONT be buying one, had my fingers burnt by SE.. Never again.

HTC Desire HD vs Nexus S

Hello, guys, it seems that Nexus S is finally announced but it has almost the same tech specs, that Samsung Galaxy S had and probably completely the same design.
The problem is that my Samsung Captivate is broken and I am coming to UK in 1 week just for 3 days and Nexus S will not be in stores at that moment. I am not sure wheather to buy DHD in England for a lower price than in Moscow or to wait 1 week more and to buy Nexus S.
What would you advise? Is DHD a GOOD phone? Shouldn't I wait for that Samsung' made phone?
BTW my Captivate was broken because of that Super Amoled screen, I even don't know why (and can't replace it).... Just advise me something
And could you please name some retail stores in which I can buy DHD in London? Not using online stores

The DHD has far better specs than the SGS. Until someone tests the new Nexus S against the SGS & DHD no-one is the wiser.
Hopefully Samsung fixed all the issues with the SGS when making the Nexus S, otherwise you've just got baking hot Android on a really poor handset.

Nexus S is only pre order it won't be in stored anytime this year.
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Aamir.Badat said:
Nexus S is only pre order it won't be in stored anytime this year.
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Yes it will, december 16th for UK and 20th for US. Other countries I don't know.

Before the Nexus S was announced I was excited and thought I will be buying it as my next device.
Now that its been announced i am dissapointed to say the least. All it is is a samsung galaxy s with a NFC chip and gyro sensor. I also just found out that it doesn't come with a sd card slot which is unacceptable . The only good thing about the samsung is the S Amoled screen. The build quality on the samsung is poor and cheap.
The desire HD wins hands down for me, with its beautiful design and gorgeous big screen .
Hope this helps .

Aamir.Badat said:
Nexus S is only pre order it won't be in stored anytime this year.
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Nexus S is available on the 16th of December.
however dhd is a spec wise better phone ie more ram 2nd gen snapdragon ect...
however the nexus S is a developer phone you get updates and support from google and its designed to be a reference hence the todays average specs nfc chips front camera ect....
personally id just by the dhd and use a 2.3 stock rom that will no doubt be released soon
as for waiting for dual core android phones ...well if the nexus S is the new reference phone for devs then chances are that our dhd's will be viable till the next dev reference after the nexus S

ethe DHD has higher specs, 720p video recording against 480p, 8MP cam against 5MP, 768RAM against 512, dual flash against one, 4.3 inch screen against 4, metal unibody construction against light plastic, real pixel density against virtual
the nexus S pluses feature better screen coating, much better view angles and deeper blacks but pentile matrix virtual density, frontal cam, NFC & gyro, better battery, less cell radiation and ofcourse enjoyable official OS support
both feature similar processors at 45nm 1GHZ, the DHD processor is optimised can be easily OCed to 1.5, both have great GPUs, the S gpu stronger in theory
the nexus S feels refined and subtle, the DHD is a badass big daddy
looking at the nexus S its clear the DHD is already HTC's answer, I expect them to announce 2.3 soon

hamdir said:
the nexus S feels refined and subtle, the DHD is a badass big daddy
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Sorry couldn't help...Loved this quote. Seems like DHD is answer to all the phones featuring a Single core processor running android.
Just love the phone.

hamdir said:
ethe DHD has higher specs, 720p video recording against 480p, 8MP cam against 5MP, 768RAM against 512, dual flash against one, 4.3 inch screen against 4, metal unibody construction against light plastic, real pixel density against virtual
the nexus S pluses feature better screen coating, much better view angles and deeper blacks but pentile matrix virtual density, frontal cam, NFC & gyro, better battery, less cell radiation and ofcourse enjoyable official OS support
both feature similar processors at 45nm 1GHZ, the DHD processor is optimised can be easily OCed to 1.5, both have great GPUs, the S gpu stronger in theory
the nexus S feels refined and subtle, the DHD is a badass big daddy
looking at the nexus S its clear the DHD is already HTC's answer, I expect them to announce 2.3 soon
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seconded.
Just my 2 cents tho - in theory the SAMOLED and the coating give the Nexus S an advantage ( the blacks, the viewing angles, the power drain ). What they don't tell you is that in practice:
how much "blacker" can it get? trust me u got enough black on DHD to racially abuse it
The viewing angles on DHD are already ~160. I don't know how u hold ur phone but even 130 would be pretty much enough for me
And the less power consumption only counts if "black pixels" prevail in what u got on the display. Read : if u browse/read a book/have a light wallpaper it eats the battery for brunch (consumption is almost twice as high as SLCD)

They're really two completely different phones for different kinds of people. I will have both phones in the house so it's no biggie. But the nexus s gpu is superior and the phone has the benefit of full google support. As an android enthusiast I rate that support highly.

jivemaster said:
They're really two completely different phones for different kinds of people. I will have both phones in the house so it's no biggie. But the nexus s gpu is superior and the phone has the benefit of full google support. As an android enthusiast I rate that support highly.
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Yes but the DHD has Cyanogen !!!!!!!

jivemaster said:
They're really two completely different phones for different kinds of people. I will have both phones in the house so it's no biggie. But the nexus s gpu is superior and the phone has the benefit of full google support. As an android enthusiast I rate that support highly.
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yes me too my wife wanted the desire Z badly but now im convincing her with the Nexus S, the design plus weight is a little female
however i still feel the DHD is better, regarding the GPU we are yet to see a game that performs better on the galaxy S, lots of the sexy stuff in gingerbread we already have in the new sense if not better like copy paste functionality, i also found this interesting the nexus S got rid of the touchpad and has the speaker output at the bottom just like the DHD
as for super amoled, i had a desire amoled and it pissed the hell out of my eyes, i'm a graphics artist and the pentile grid just drove me mad, that was on a smaller 3.7 inch screen, i'm sure at 4.0 the situation is even worse
i wear glasses, sometimes the amoled screen looked so high res and sometimes it looked low, 1 pixels outlines looked doted, its just a silly solution and compared to retina it fails bad in pixel density
if the DHD had the sexy SLCD like the classic desire/Z it would have won hands down in my eyes

bahkata said:
seconded [...]
And one last thing - if the plastic feels as cheap as the galaxy s - f*ck it. People aren't paying 600 euros for the feel of holding their mom's €4.50 dildo.
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This is a hell of a badass statement! I will use it, if you allow me to.
And the point you make about the black/white backgrounds and S AMOLED screen is true. You just forgot to say, to the S Amoled advantage, that it has better contrasts too.
f.

we can't simply fool ourselves and deny the advantages of amoled like the infinite contrast, extreme angles and in case of super amoled the sunlight visibility
however equally reviewers can't just go and shout super amoled wooohoooo, both amoled and super have the active matrix grid, which give it much less pixel accuracy then the stated specs, ie its not 235ppi like they state
just put any amoled device next to slcd device or iphone 4 or even the DHD and you will see what i mean, the definition on amoled is fuzzier
also samoled had extreme colours saturation which isn't accurate but we don't know if this is the case with the nexus S
IPS LCDs or super LCDs are the best solution if you ask me

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true, but to be honest it would be nice to get updates officially without rooting and about a week after release of said updates.
But I do think the desire hd is the better phone more ram comparable cpu/gpu, but nothing comes close to unibody build quality
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Maybe the nexus s will get cyanogenmod too. Cyanogen does not officially support any Samsung at this stage, but that may change since the s is a dev phone.
Personally I don't give a flying **** for the samsung. Spec wise there is not much difference but the chitty plastic shell and lack of an sd slot make the nexus s a fail in my book.
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i'm feeling a little betrayal from google, after all it was the hero and htc's efforts that made android so popular
really interested to know the details of this google nexus deal

i think you will find its not something major for example the dev android tablet is a motrola one which was demoed the other day, i think you will find android is spreading its dev devices over the differnt manufacturers and not favoriting manufacturers.
i guess it kinda highlets their openness ?

yes i agree they can't favor a manufacturer

Samsung is a more widely known manufacturer. Its only recently that HTC started selling devices under the HTC brand name. Most would end up as a carrier branded handset.

Sony screwed up the Xperia Z

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f31ojOyC7FA
Check out the video.
Lower benchmark score than the Galaxy S3 and battery drops from 97% to 93% in 5 minutes of use.
Not impressed Sony.

ssj_jaypee said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f31ojOyC7FA
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Lower benchmark score than the Galaxy S3 and battery drops from 97% to 93% in 5 minutes of use.
Not impressed Sony.
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Isn't that a test unit though? Plus benchmarks don't really mean that much, it's the actual user experience which is important I think

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Isn't that a test unit though?
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What would the difference be?
The phone is coming out next month. Production has started already.
I don't blame the hardware though. The S4 Pro is powerful.
Most likely Sony screwed up the software.....
Also battery needed to be bigger.
Why in the love of god didn't Sony follow Samsung and use a bigger battery like the Note 2? :crying:

ssj_jaypee said:
What would the difference be?
The phone is coming out next month. Production has started already.
I don't blame the hardware though. The S4 Pro is powerful.
Most likely Sony screwed up the software.....
Also battery needed to be bigger.
Why in the love of god didn't Sony follow Samsung and use a bigger battery like the Note 2? :crying:
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I see what you mean, the actual production devices could ship with different software I don't know? I agree about the battery though we'll just have to wait for a full review I guess

Engadget got the ZL at 13,589

It's an S4 Pro with quad-core krait. Just like the Droid DNA and Nexus 4. Stop worrying about benchmarks, especially when it hasn't even been released. It will perform like every other S4 Pro phone, give or take a small margin.
The battery complaint is even more ridiculous. So many phones get updates on launch day fixing battery issues and they keep tweaking it with each update for months after release.
The biggest disappointment is the display. It looks exactly like a bigger version of the Xperia S/Ion/T with all the problems. Washed out look with poor viewing angles and contrast. Sony likes to turn up the brightness to mask the poor contrast. It's 2013. HTC doesn't even make displays and their SuperLCD IPS display is far and ahead the best. IPS displays on LG are also good as well as the one on the Lumia 920. Sony displays continue to disappoint.

katamari201 said:
It's an S4 Pro with quad-core krait. Just like the Droid DNA and Nexus 4. Stop worrying about benchmarks, especially when it hasn't even been released. It will perform like every other S4 Pro phone, give or take a small margin.
The battery complaint is even more ridiculous. So many phones get updates on launch day fixing battery issues and they keep tweaking it with each update for months after release.
The biggest disappointment is the display. It looks exactly like a bigger version of the Xperia S/Ion/T with all the problems. Washed out look with poor viewing angles and contrast. Sony likes to turn up the brightness to mask the poor contrast. It's 2013. HTC doesn't even make displays and their SuperLCD IPS display is far and ahead the best. IPS displays on LG are also good as well as the one on the Lumia 920. Sony displays continue to disappoint.
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The Ion has a pretty good display, dunno what you're talking about, many people agree with me. Probably one of the best out there.
I got the S which seems to have a pretty nice one as well, maybe almost the same as the Ion. The only washed out display that Sony produced this year on a high-end device is the one on the T. Over-saturated colors don't necessarily mean better displays.

The ION has the best display. Take a look at the thread in the Xperia T forums that compares the ION, T, and S in terms of display.

Nepythys said:
The Ion has a pretty good display, dunno what you're talking about, many people agree with me. Probably one of the best out there.
I got the S which seems to have a pretty nice one as well, maybe almost the same as the Ion. The only washed out display that Sony produced this year on a high-end device is the one on the T. Over-saturated colors don't necessarily mean better displays.
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I never said anything about oversaturation being better. You are making assumptions that I prefer the blown out colors of AMOLED or the extra warmth of the SuperLCD. I mentioned the LG display looks better than the Sony one, and it is even LESS saturated than the Sony display. The point is Sony does not have a single IPS display on their phones. It is 100% agreed upon that IPS is the pinnacle of LCD technology and has been for years. Professional monitors from NEC, Dell, and HP use IPS panels. The colors and contrast do not shift when viewing off axis, and that is important for an even image, even when looking dead on. LG and HTC have been putting IPS displays on their phones for years now. Sony has no excuse. If you live in a bubble of Sony phones and never look at any other smartphone, I'm sure the display looks great. But there are plenty of reviews stating the obvious. The poor viewing angles are becoming increasingly unacceptable in a premium smartphone. The flaws are even more apparent on a small mobile display that you move around and use at different angles. It's not some nice monitor you prop in front of your desk and sit perfectly in front of.

Still way prettier and with far better UI than TouchWiz.

scores slower because of the Full HD screen

Final results are close to 20.000 in AnTuTu...
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its a prototype so definitely the software isnt optimized yet, wait for the final release and then start whining.

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That's probably the issue. This thing rendering everything in fullHD, the S3 does 720p only, so of course it will be "faster" in benchmarks.

guilhermedsx said:
That's probably the issue. This thing rendering everything in fullHD, the S3 does 720p only, so of course it will be "faster" in benchmarks.
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I've seen droid DNA got 19k in antutu with that resolution..
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Yeah, well the Z can score higher than that -- and with XDA here, it's bound to go higher than 22.000
I don't know what Sony's game is, but why the onscreen buttons? That only takes away from the display! For some reason, only the GNex looks good with those, maybe because it doesn't have any extra buttons?
Anyways, I still think the best buttons were on the HTC Desire. You couldn't miss those.

About what I expected and not low at all for a stock device. You have to keep in mind most of the top scores on Antutu are with custom kernels and roms. As for battery I am not worried about it as it has not really been a issue with the newer Sony stuff.

someone755 said:
Yeah, well the Z can score higher than that -- and with XDA here, it's bound to go higher than 22.000
I don't know what Sony's game is, but why the onscreen buttons? That only takes away from the display! For some reason, only the GNex looks good with those, maybe because it doesn't have any extra buttons?
Anyways, I still think the best buttons were on the HTC Desire. You couldn't miss those.
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I think it's better. When not needed, they will hide themselves and show the full screen.
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I think it's better. When not needed, they will hide themselves and show the full screen.
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Agreed. And I'll be hiding the on screen buttons completely, and using gestures instead, meaning that I get the complete 5" !!
Very glad Sony did this, was waiting for someone to stop making redundant buttons.
Now if only they actually gave it a removable battery, then I'd be sold 100% (mostly talking about the ZL, I can understand the Z)

ssj_jaypee said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f31ojOyC7FA
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Lower benchmark score than the Galaxy S3 and battery drops from 97% to 93% in 5 minutes of use.
Not impressed Sony.
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Ummm I should point out the S3 gets around the 9000 range in Antutu and the Nexus 4 which runs the same processor as the Z gets around 16,000 which about in line with that benchmark so... wtf are you talking about. Also *GASP* a phone lose battery while doing intensive benchmarks I am soooo shocked. Obvious troll post.

The screen isn't bad at all..

Why are people complaining?
Nothing is bad with the screen! I can see everything just fine!

Grab it and put it beside an ipad
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This is an HD screen so good in appearance, but if you compare screens with say the tf700 or even my 1080p phone screen you begin to understand just how much difference there really is. 400 ppi or higher makes everything sharp and clear. Letters pop out, and images are clear and vibrant. Even the simple act of forum reading is enhanced at 1080p 400+ ppi. There is no real comparison, true high def is simply better. While this screen is adequate it doesnt sing, 400 ppi is a Symphony.

Hahahalalala said:
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Because Internet.

gock said:
Grab it and put it beside an ipad
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True. But it really isn't bad per se. The only area where it's really noticable is text but to make text more readable rather than make it bigger I turn up the brightness. In the days of 440+PPI displays 147PPI isn't anything to write home about. But like OP said, that doesn't make it "bad." It's certainly livable.

BarryH_GEG said:
True. But it really isn't bad per se. The only area where it's really noticable is text but to make text more readable rather than make it bigger I turn up the brightness. In the days of 440+PPI displays 147PPI isn't anything to write home about. But like OP said, that doesn't make it "bad." It's certainly livable.
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Wacom displays cost lots more than standard displays. Higher Res equal much more cash.

What tablet had 400+ ppi when this was launched?

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What tablet had 400+ ppi when this was launched?
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Tf700

I have no problems with it too but that may be coz I don't have a comparison to make. I read somewhere the resolution is limited due to wacom. But I doubt that's the main reason, since even the recent galaxy tab 3 kept the low resolution. I can't help but fear the next note 10.1 will be the same. But how about using the Sony xperia ultra screen technology on this? Works with any pen input
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. But how about using the Sony xperia ultra screen technology on this? Works with any pen input
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Because it costs money to buy off Sony... Why pay a competitor when you have good tech yourself....

We have become a bit spoilded with screen resolution anf ppi, every year the ppi gets denser and denser , personally at 340+ ppi I can't see the pixels with my naked eyes why one would need a ppi of 400 + is more for the company to get people to buy the latest product from them
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Agreed. And the worse is consumers suffer due to the compromise on battery life.
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Agreed. And the worse is consumers suffer due to the compromise on battery life.
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Exactly, when I first read about the screen I realized that if I'm going to be taking notes on this thing all day and then some (which as a college engineering student I DO), that if the screen was something like Super AMOLED or Retina Display, the tablet's battery wouldn't last me through the day.

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We have become a bit spoilded with screen resolution anf ppi, every year the ppi gets denser and denser , personally at 340+ ppi I can't see the pixels with my naked eyes why one would need a ppi of 400 + is more for the company to get people to buy the latest product from them
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1 getting the most for my money is important. Thats not being spoiled that is using your brain
2 this tablet is no where near 340 ppi. in fact it is 149 ppi. samsung is way behind in screen tech
3 everyone is not the same so some will be on the high end of normal and see 440 ppi
4 battery life will not suffer if you use the latest processor's from this year, in fact it will increase
5 watching movies and or videos in 1080p 400+ ppi is a superior experience
6 at our current ppi text is sometimes crappy and always dull. At 400 it is not so hard on my old eyes to read.
As ive said before I like this tablet a lot, and for the most part i even like touch wiz. if however samsung doesnt get with the times this year with the plethora of 1080 screens and 3gb ram, 2+Ghz machines coming out Q4 this year and Q1 next year I will gladly give my money away to another. Samsung has in the past been on the cutting edge and I think they most likely will be this year as well, so I expect we will see a 1080p unit that I will adore. This was the best overall machine when i bought it imho because when you factor the power of the cpu, battery life and smooth running rom plus stylus the only detractor was the screen. That said its a new year and I expect more from the next generation or I will simply reserve my money for a unit that tops my current note 10.1. That could be asus or sony, or anyone. Im not a fanboy, i put my money where i get the best value on the highest end of tech.

conan1600 said:
1 getting the most for my money is important. Thats not being spoiled that is using your brain
2 this tablet is no where near 340 ppi. in fact it is 149 ppi. samsung is way behind in screen tech
3 everyone is not the same so some will be on the high end of normal and see 440 ppi
4 battery life will not suffer if you use the latest processor's from this year, in fact it will increase
5 watching movies and or videos in 1080p 400+ ppi is a superior experience
6 at our current ppi text is sometimes crappy and always dull. At 400 it is not so hard on my old eyes to read.
As ive said before I like this tablet a lot, and for the most part i even like touch wiz. if however samsung doesnt get with the times this year with the plethora of 1080 screens and 3gb ram, 2+Ghz machines coming out Q4 this year and Q1 next year I will gladly give my money away to another. Samsung has in the past been on the cutting edge and I think they most likely will be this year as well, so I expect we will see a 1080p unit that I will adore. This was the best overall machine when i bought it imho because when you factor the power of the cpu, battery life and smooth running rom plus stylus the only detractor was the screen. That said its a new year and I expect more from the next generation or I will simply reserve my money for a unit that tops my current note 10.1. That could be asus or sony, or anyone. Im not a fanboy, i put my money where i get the best value on the highest end of tech.
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Your right getting the most bang for our your buck is important, that being said the note was on par with most of the Android tablets out there. I don't know much about how much more power it would use but i have heard that the nexus 10 that share a lot of the same hardware as the note has problems with stutter with some of the games that the note has no problem with. Text is a bit hard to read at times but there are ways to adjust it from within the browser or reader app you are using. Would I like a higher ppi, yes am I gonna complain about nope love the note and the s pen makes up for up for all of any shortcomings
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I totally agree with the OP. Screen isn't bad at all just that the text is a little hard at times, but nothing zooming in won't fix. I actually sold me Nexus 10 and got this device :laugh:. I have no regrets what so ever. I find myself using this tablet more than I did with the Nexus 10 because of its functionality. All the Nexus 10 got was a nice screen and that's it plus it had something called "Surface flinger" and memory leaks which makes the tablet extremely slow. The Note 10.1 works flawlessly.

My review of the One, about 1 year on

Hey there chaps. I've done a little review after using the phone for almost a full year now and wanted to share it. Love the phone, it's been a breath of fresh air owning it this year. Let's hope the M8 carries on the awesomeness!
HTC One Review

Good review...you basically spoke for me when describing the phone and touched on the key selling points of the phone. Now to see what the new version has in store when in person.
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Hey thanks. Yeh it's been a brilliant phone. I really hope the new one is good but atm it looks like HTC have done a bit of a Samsung and just done a (questionably) mildly better new device. Sad about the 5" screen though. Lower resolution then the M7 is the rumours are true.
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Hey thanks. Yeh it's been a brilliant phone. I really hope the new one is good but atm it looks like HTC have done a bit of a Samsung and just done a (questionably) mildly better new device. Sad about the 5" screen though. Lower resolution then the M7 is the rumours are true.
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How could it be a lower resolution?
Still 1080p.... A lower ppi however, though that won't be noticeable

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How could it be a lower resolution?
Still 1080p.... A lower ppi however, though that won't be noticeable
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Yea I just caught that too, must have meant ppi...no problem, I think we are all smart enough to know...maybe a slight edit due for the review for the less knowledgeable readers?
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1080p on a 5" screen = lower ppi which is lower level of resolution IMO. Less is less. And though it is all 'apparently' above what the human eye can tell the difference between, I don't know why HTC have chosen what in my eyes is a downgrade with the new device. Unless it ends up being just rumours after all.
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Dont think the new one will do that well compared to other devices it's going to have to offer something really unique and iam not really felling it with pictures and rumours. But iam sure it will be a great device and a good upgrade but not sure about it being a huge hit hope iam wrong though.
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1080p on a 5" screen = lower ppi which is lower level of resolution IMO. Less is less. And though it is all 'apparently' above what the human eye can tell the difference between, I don't know why HTC have chosen what in my eyes is a downgrade with the new device. Unless it ends up being just rumours after all.
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By writing this, it is apparent you don't know what resolution is.
Ppi and resolution are not the same thing...
It is the same resolution, not lower level of resolution.
Electrical engineer here btw
Also it is such a minute difference that it will not be noticeable.
Higher at 5 inches (4K for example) is just overkill

Ok guys ok, let's not let this thread become a pissing contest please, it started out as a positive thread and quickly escalated to "who knows more", which isn't productive and to be honest kinda immature for no real reason...
The resolutions are the same, screen is slightly bigger in New one which will lower the ppi a tiny bit which will probably be undetectable to the naked eye in the real world...only difference if there is any, will be the vividness of the colors since the pixels will be ever so slightly further apart...
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This has been the best phone I have had. Better than the S3 plastic poop I had before!
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If anything lower ppi better battery
Those who had HoX like I did know how superb screen it had and it was only 318ppi +720p , I barely saw the difference on m7 with FHD +468PPI , why worry anyway ...amoled screens are pentile and lower resolution then ours and still are crisp almost as ours. Like I said no worries here unless you belive more is always better
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Shan89 said:
If anything lower ppi better battery
Those who had HoX like I did know how superb screen it had and it was only 318ppi +720p , I barely saw the difference on m7 with FHD +468PPI , why worry anyway ...amoled screens are pentile and lower resolution then ours and still are crisp almost as ours. Like I said no worries here unless you belive more is always better
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Exactly....
I think 1080p is the upper limit on a phone. The bump to 2k or 4K is just going to cause unnecessary battery drain and is more of a "whose e peen is bigger" thing than a useful addition.
More battery drain, more taxing on the processor...
I could see on a tablet, but not on a phone 6 inches or smaller.

I still love my One. Nothing has yet to match it in terms of build quality and design. It's no wonder it won the Smartphone of the year award at MWC:
http://www.globalmobileawards.com/winners-2014/#cat_id22
and I agree with your all points especially the point you made regarding the Highlights Themes being removed :crying:. I have even contemplated reverting back to Sense 5.0 to get them back.

A year on, this phone is still blazing. Although...I made a switch to GPE (sinless) which honestly flies faster and has better battery. I don't really miss Zoe or any of the sense apps. The hardware is enough for me to love HTC.
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A year on, this phone is still blazing. Although...I made a switch to GPE (sinless) which honestly flies faster and has better battery. I don't really miss Zoe or any of the sense apps. The hardware is enough for me to love HTC.
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I have actually heard the opposite, that sense is much better as far as battery life. What is your typical screen on time?

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Exactly....
I think 1080p is the upper limit on a phone. The bump to 2k or 4K is just going to cause unnecessary battery drain and is more of a "whose e peen is bigger" thing than a useful addition.
More battery drain, more taxing on the processor...
I could see on a tablet, but not on a phone 6 inches or smaller.
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I agree

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I have actually heard the opposite, that sense is much better as far as battery life. What is your typical screen on time?
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Sense is better for battery then GPE

horsetastic said:
Sense is better for battery then GPE
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World make sense too (bad pun I know), since it would be more fine tuned for the one's hardware. I get great battery life on sense but not so much in the brief period I tried gpe.

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By writing this, it is apparent you don't know what resolution is.
Ppi and resolution are not the same thing...
It is the same resolution, not lower level of resolution.
Electrical engineer here btw
Also it is such a minute difference that it will not be noticeable.
Higher at 5 inches (4K for example) is just overkill
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I wasn't intending on this becoming a pis#ing match and I did state that it was only my opinion. I know the technical description of resolution however to me it includes the clarity of an image and that is down to the PPI. Of course a 5" and a 50" screen can have the same resolution and you would chose which ever one suited your needs the best but the 5" display will always show the image better than the 50".
If you look at the defenition of resolution you'll find that is actually means "the degree of detail visible in a photographic or television image" this is what equates to something being "a high-resolution monitor". Hence I have formed my opinion based on this.
Electrical Mechanical Design Engineer here btw
And, still to me there's no need for HTC to have upped the screen size to 5". Nothing wrong with the 4.7" on the One. It is an epic phone and the high PPI was a good selling point. I know the're probably just trying to compete with the S5 etc but to me the screen size should have been left alone.

Let's not forget that even 1080P is an overkill on our little 4.7 inch screens, my tv is 46 inches big with the same resolution as my phone! This is nuts! Why don't they take it down to 720P and gain a massive battery life boost