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a REAL iPhone 4 vs Samsung Galaxy S Article

I'm not really too sure what engadget is trying to get across. The only thing I saw was the microscopic shot comparison as having any validity. But even then, if you need to 10x magnify a screen to see the difference, is it really worth it?
Then, they go and show pictures of the Super AMOLED display, which people are going to be seeing on an LCD!
So I took it upon myself to write up an article on my group blog, *visually* showing what the difference truly is.
Disclaimer: I own/operate the blog to the article link I am about to post.
http://www.brainlazy.com/article/smartphone/iphone-4-vs-samsung-galaxy-s
Let me know what you guys think. I'm currently getting all of the features into a Galaxy S review.

Nice analogies man hahaha. Good read

The Galaxy S camera isn't "Back-side illuminated" - you should correct your comparison table.

You really need to get your eyes checked if you need to be closer than 30 cm to see the pixels of the pentile screen. The only thing better about the Super Amoled screen is the blacklevels - that's it(besides size that is). The colors are off, the whites are pretty dim, the shadow detail is usually colored(due to the pixel structure) and you can clearly see color-banding which you cannot on the IPS display of the iPhone.
The Galaxy S is a better phone imho, but when it comes to the display the iPhone 4 has the SGS beaten.
EDIT: The SGS has a a Li-Ion battery not Li-Pol.

Anyone speak Italian?! If so look at this: youtube.com/watch?v=NMsl7ceJuK4

Hey guys, thanks for the input. Does anyone have a link to the camera sensor? I had asked a Samsung Representative if they used a back-side illuminated cmos sensor and they replied in the affirmative.
Also, on this page: http://galaxys.samsungmobile.com/specification/spec.html?ver=low
They list the battery type at 1500 mAh li-pol.
I do agree the interpolated nature of the display has color banding issues, however, pixel density is a bit over rated. If you are critical of the SGS display at 30cm, I wonder how you've managed to cope with every computer monitor available today at 60cm. Even a 20" screen at 1080p is 111PPI, FAR lower than the SGS even with accounting for PenTile Matrix.
And if you can only list black levels as superior to LCD, maybe you need to play more fast paced video games. Response rate is critical. Between black levels and response rate, these are attributes that LCD will never be able to attain.
About color accuracy, I guess it's a toss up. Muddy blacks or color banding. Providing the amount of gradiation isn't intense, it's (almost) a non-issue. Shadowing (like you said) in media is a worry. But for most applications, you generally don't see long sprawling gradients.
And, I suppose pixel density is also subjective. I'd prefer to have true black and an immediate response rate. Also, while I can see the tiny little dots of pixels on my SGS at 30cm, they blend it very nice. Much nicer than my desktop monitor.

superb article. hilarious and [email protected]

Agreed, I had a blast reading the article.
It's a perfect to explain the difference to the technically challenged people that thinks Iphone4 is the holly grail.
now, the next best way to show technically challenged people is by having another one of these cool comparison but using an Iphone4 instead.
HTC Desire vs. Galaxy S
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpP5QljEqow
assuming some one manages to run Quake 2 on an Iphone4 LOL

btw in the chart near the end, you listed the gyro as Captivate model only, but its on all us models as far as I'm aware

Yea, I have to update the info since the NYC event. Also Samsung used lower numbers for response rate and contrast ratio, so I have to change my dollars/cents thing.
They lowered it exactly by half on each. So instead of 100,000:1 CR, they said 50,000:1. And instead of Response rate at 1 micro second they said 10 microseconds. Which is an order of magnitude different, but still very very nice.
Basically the the money will be chopped in half. Either way, I double checked with a Samsung rep and when I fix those things up, the chart will be accurate.

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Thanks. Great article.
Can't see the images though.
thephawx said:
I'm not really too sure what engadget is trying to get across. The only thing I saw was the microscopic shot comparison as having any validity. But even then, if you need to 10x magnify a screen to see the difference, is it really worth it?
Then, they go and show pictures of the Super AMOLED display, which people are going to be seeing on an LCD!
So I took it upon myself to write up an article on my group blog, *visually* showing what the difference truly is.
Disclaimer: I own/operate the blog to the article link I am about to post.
http://www.brainlazy.com/article/smartphone/iphone-4-vs-samsung-galaxy-s
Let me know what you guys think. I'm currently getting all of the features into a Galaxy S review.
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Yea the images are missing for me too! When i click where they should be, i get a 404 not found error.

Samsung is a genious...
Many dumbasses would say "The Galaxy S" doesnt have Flash is a BAD THING..
But to me.. its a GOOD THING ... iPhone 4 uses Single LED flash... This type of flash doesnt even have enough power to make a difference in your picture quality.. its more like a BULL**** feature to trick noobs to buy it.
You need at least a Dual LED/Xenon Flash...

Toss3 said:
The only thing better about the Super Amoled screen is the blacklevels - that's it(besides size that is). The colors are off, the whites are pretty dim, the shadow detail is usually colored(due to the pixel structure) and you can clearly see color-banding which you cannot on the IPS display of the iPhone.
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Your kidding right? I've compared my phone to my mates iPhone 4 and the SGS is clearly superior. It has far better color and webpages are easily readable without zooming in whereas on the iPhone, it's a different story.
Obviously, we compared the two phones at full brightness. He has also returned his new iPhone and continues to use his 3g instead which aesthetically, looks better than the iPhone 4.

Billus said:
Your kidding right? I've compared my phone to my mates iPhone 4 and the SGS is clearly superior. It has far better color and webpages are easily readable without zooming in whereas on the iPhone, it's a different story.
Obviously, we compared the two phones at full brightness. He has also returned his new iPhone and continues to use his 3g instead which aesthetically, looks better than the iPhone 4.
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How come he returned his iphone4 is he going to get a Samsung S?

Billus said:
Your kidding right? I've compared my phone to my mates iPhone 4 and the SGS is clearly superior. It has far better color and webpages are easily readable without zooming in whereas on the iPhone, it's a different story.
Obviously, we compared the two phones at full brightness. He has also returned his new iPhone and continues to use his 3g instead which aesthetically, looks better than the iPhone 4.
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I'll take the Galaxy S hands down any day of the week, particularly the screen and OS. However,
Obviously, we compared the two phones at full brightness.
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I just flat out disagree with this testing procedure. It's borderline retarded IMHO.
[*]Firstly, especially with the webpages with reading (the thing you brought up half a line prior, though albeit in a different paragraph) reading demands low brightness.
[*]Secondly, read the posts here, everyone is turning the brightness to "0%", low, and even download an app that brings that "0%" down to true 0% rather than the 8% that it actually uses. People are doing this because it's easier on the eyes, saves battery and a multitude of other reasons.
[*]Thirdly, this screen is plenty bright without full brightness. Even in direct sunlight you don't need this at full brightness, the screen is that good (again, love it)
Really, in summary, the way you should test both devices is the real-world usage scenario. Anything else and all you are doing is showing off it's potential, not it's practical use. Again, I think I've posted here or another thread or both how much I was against the Engadget test, particularly because they lead with the macro lens shots. To me, that was sensationalist, they were trying to either get "oohs and ahhs" or make Apple look as good as possible. Either way, that's journalism at its worst and not even something I want to read in a blog I visit. However, to do something like turn brightness up all the way is just a tiny bit better...unless this is actually how you or your friend would use the device regularly. Again, I believe that each device can even, have an independent setting, one at 0% and one at 100% if that's how the user would typically use the device. To get back to my Engadget point, that's why it's important to give as many views and settings as possible. Compare them all, find out where one's strengths lie because you have such a wide audience. However, I'm not sure how many people use a macro lens to view their device on a daily basis, so leading with that is just retarded. Do I think it's completely irrelevant? Maybe not as perhaps there are some people who wouldn't get the detail needed because they have near super-human perfect vision where they can detect all these things that are too minor to even be called subtleties.

I have to say that in terms for average daily use, there isn't any real practical difference between the two phones at face value. I have a SGS, my wife has the iPhone 4 btw. But that being said, after spending any length of time with the iPhone 4, you will notice a difference once you go back to the SGS. If may not be initially obvious, but your eyes will be able to discern the difference.
If you're using the phone to read mucho text, I'm sorry, there is no way the SGS can trump the iPhone 4. The iPhone 4 retina display is a beautiful one and I guarantee that if you use both for decent amount of time with an unbiased mind, you WILL notice the difference in terms of text definition and clarity.
However, when it comes to motion and movies, the SGS takes a dump all over the iphone. The iPhone, whilst still great to watch movies on, can't compare to the far superior contrast, colours, and vibrancy of the SGS AMOLED screen. When you have motion on screen and you're not squinting at text, the high pixel density, to me, almost doesn't even factor into the equation anymore.
So there's my two cents. I wouldn't trade my SGS for her iPhone 4 at all, however, I would probably sing a different tune if I did a lot of e-reading or web browsing on my phone. After using the iPhone to browse text for even a few minutes, I hated going back and doing the same on my SGS. Anyway, to say one display is practically (not technically) superior to the other only depends on the purpose of which you'll be using it for. Both are great and I don't see why people have to argue the point that one has to be better than the other.

hmm... i like reading my webpages at full brighness
i hate dim LCD or any kind of screens

Ptechnix said:
I have to say that in terms for average daily use, there isn't any real practical difference between the two phones at face value. I have a SGS, my wife has the iPhone 4 btw. But that being said, after spending any length of time with the iPhone 4, you will notice a difference once you go back to the SGS. If may not be initially obvious, but your eyes will be able to discern the difference.
If you're using the phone to read mucho text, I'm sorry, there is no way the SGS can trump the iPhone 4. The iPhone 4 retina display is a beautiful one and I guarantee that if you use both for decent amount of time with an unbiased mind, you WILL notice the difference in terms of text definition and clarity.
However, when it comes to motion and movies, the SGS takes a dump all over the iphone. The iPhone, whilst still great to watch movies on, can't compare to the far superior contrast, colours, and vibrancy of the SGS AMOLED screen. When you have motion on screen and you're not squinting at text, the high pixel density, to me, almost doesn't even factor into the equation anymore.
So there's my two cents. I wouldn't trade my SGS for her iPhone 4 at all, however, I would probably sing a different tune if I did a lot of e-reading or web browsing on my phone. After using the iPhone to browse text for even a few minutes, I hated going back and doing the same on my SGS. Anyway, to say one display is practically (not technically) superior to the other only depends on the purpose of which you'll be using it for. Both are great and I don't see why people have to argue the point that one has to be better than the other.
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Agree completely. My uses is what got me into the device. However, a guy come on here saying he was going to use this like an e-reader (novels) first and foremost, webpage viewer in the house on wifi quite a bit, with the tiniest bit of PMP qualities. He was asking something specifically about what apps to get IIRC, I told him to buy a Kindle, iPad or iPhone 4 (I think I rated the iPhone 4 above the iPad because of the portability that he desired, but can't quite remember). If I wasn't into A/V (plus an Android fan) I might not have this device.
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hmm... i like reading my webpages at full brighness
i hate dim LCD or any kind of screens
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That's cool, to each their own. I can see webpages being a bit more brightness required than e-ink, but as I said just in my opinion, this device is just flat out bright. But I think it's both of our opposite tastes here that made Samsung put in an independent (I think that's how it works rather than in aggregate with, though perhaps there is some mix...don't really care as I leave both all the way down) brightness control into the web browser. So you won't have to adjust your brightness up when going to the web and if I happened to be walking around on a sunny day I wouldn't have to adjust it downwards.

TriC_101 said:
Samsung is a genious...
Many dumbasses would say "The Galaxy S" doesnt have Flash is a BAD THING..
But to me.. its a GOOD THING ... iPhone 4 uses Single LED flash... This type of flash doesnt even have enough power to make a difference in your picture quality.. its more like a BULL**** feature to trick noobs to buy it.
You need at least a Dual LED/Xenon Flash...
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not true..i have an iphone 4 and a Galaxy S. the flash helped the iphone cam a LOT......not a gimmic...no its not the best flash..but its better than none for sure

Clearing up the display issue of the Xperia Z

Hello guys! I am making this thread in order to solve the confusion about the display of the Xperia Z. I was a bit surprised today when I saw my rss flooding with the discussion of how crap the display was on the retail models.
To start of I would like to tell you all that both the Docomo variant and international variant of Xperia Z display are the same! They both are using the Renesas R63311 variant of LCDs. Which is using actually Sharp technology for the displays. Yeah it's not made by sony.
http://www.rsp.renesas.com/en/news/2012/news20120418.htm
So the issue of the color saturation between the international model and docomo model is suppose to be the calibration of the values of the display(a configuration in the kernel level).
In short the issue is within the software side and not the hardware so NO it's not true that sony did put cheaper displays on the international version compared to the docomo versions. Cause there's no cheap and premium edition of the Renesas R63311 model.
Now most of you would probably doubt me now on how I was able to tell you this and what are my sources.
Now being a kernel developer and have very solid knowledge with hardwares I would like to show you here concrete proofs of what I am talking about (Kernel developers are welcome to prove my point here)
Here is the kernel config file of the docomo version of Xperia Z
https://bitbucket.org/Don2x/so-02e-.../configs/fusion3_yuga_dcm_defconfig?at=master
The boolean configs for the display drivers is located in line 398 and 399.
Code:
CONFIG_FB_MSM_MIPI_R63311_JDC_MDY70=y
CONFIG_FB_MSM_MIPI_R63311_SHARP_LS050T3SX01=y
Looking at the Makefile
https://bitbucket.org/Don2x/so-02e-...7/kernel/drivers/video/msm/Makefile?at=master
the display drivers of those configs basically call out the files
Code:
obj-$(CONFIG_FB_MSM_MIPI_R63311_JDC_MDY70) += mipi_dsi_panel_r63311_jdc_mdy70.o
obj-$(CONFIG_FB_MSM_MIPI_R63311_JDC_MDY80) += mipi_dsi_panel_r63311_jdc_mdy80.o
obj-$(CONFIG_FB_MSM_MIPI_R63311_SHARP_LS050T3SX01) += mipi_dsi_panel_r63311_sharp_ls050t3sx01.o
Now how can I tell that it is the one used by Xperia Z?
If you view the board files of the Xperia Z the display if defined here.
https://bitbucket.org/Don2x/so-02e-...ch-msm/board-sony_fusion3-display.c?at=master
Code:
#ifdef CONFIG_FB_MSM_MIPI_R63311_JDC_MDY70
&jdc_mdy70_panel_id_dlogo_02,
&jdc_mdy70_panel_id_dlogo_2a,
&jdc_mdy70_panel_id_dlogo,
&jdc_mdy70_panel_id_1a,
&jdc_mdy70_panel_id_1a_02,
&jdc_mdy70_panel_id,
#endif /* CONFIG_FB_MSM_MIPI_R63311_JDC_MDY70 */
#ifdef CONFIG_FB_MSM_MIPI_R63311_JDC_MDY80
&jdc_mdy80_black_panel_id,
&jdc_mdy80_white_panel_id,
#endif /* CONFIG_FB_MSM_MIPI_R63311_JDC_MDY80 */
#ifdef CONFIG_FB_MSM_MIPI_R63311_SHARP_LS050T3SX01
&sharp_ls050t3sx01_panel_id_dlogo_01,
&sharp_ls050t3sx01_panel_id_dlogo,
&sharp_ls050t3sx01_panel_id_1a,
&sharp_ls050t3sx01_panel_id_1a_02,
&sharp_ls050t3sx01_panel_id,
#endif /* CONFIG_FB_MSM_MIPI_R63311_SHARP_LS050T3SX01 */
Now this alone proves that Docomo version indeed uses the display I mentioned. Now how do I prove that it is the same as with the international version? Of course by providing the kernel sources of the international version also.
Now here's the config file for the
International version of Xperia Z:
https://bitbucket.org/Don2x/intl.-y.../arm/configs/fusion3_yuga_defconfig?at=master
on line 391 & 392:
CONFIG_FB_MSM_MIPI_R63311_JDC_MDY70=y
CONFIG_FB_MSM_MIPI_R63311_SHARP_LS050T3SX01=y
Defconfig of Xperia ZL for reference here
International version of Xperia ZL:
https://bitbucket.org/Don2x/intl.-y.../arm/configs/fusion3_odin_defconfig?at=master
And board files of the international version of Xperia Z.
https://bitbucket.org/Don2x/intl.-y...ch-msm/board-sony_fusion3-display.c?at=master
Code:
#ifdef CONFIG_FB_MSM_MIPI_R63311_JDC_MDY70
&jdc_mdy70_panel_id_dlogo_02,
&jdc_mdy70_panel_id_dlogo_2a,
&jdc_mdy70_panel_id_dlogo,
&jdc_mdy70_panel_id_1a,
&jdc_mdy70_panel_id_1a_02,
&jdc_mdy70_panel_id,
#endif /* CONFIG_FB_MSM_MIPI_R63311_JDC_MDY70 */
#ifdef CONFIG_FB_MSM_MIPI_R63311_JDC_MDY80
&jdc_mdy80_black_panel_id,
&jdc_mdy80_white_panel_id,
#endif /* CONFIG_FB_MSM_MIPI_R63311_JDC_MDY80 */
#ifdef CONFIG_FB_MSM_MIPI_R63311_SHARP_LS050T3SX01
&sharp_ls050t3sx01_panel_id_dlogo_01,
&sharp_ls050t3sx01_panel_id_dlogo,
&sharp_ls050t3sx01_panel_id_1a,
&sharp_ls050t3sx01_panel_id_1a_02,
&sharp_ls050t3sx01_panel_id,
#endif /* CONFIG_FB_MSM_MIPI_R63311_SHARP_LS050T3SX01 */
You can see the similar display drivers being used by the international version & docomo version here.
So my point here is demo model or not. Docomo variant or not they all use the same LCD technology! There's no difference!
Now how do I prove to all of you that they're not the same kernel sources and I didn't just made duplicates and remove some files?
Compare these yourself.
Docomo version:
http://developer.sonymobile.com/dow...s/open-source-archive-for-build-10-1-d-0-317/
International version:
http://developer.sonymobile.com/dow...s/open-source-archive-for-build-10-1-a-1-350/
All in all the very basic logic here is that you can't use a single display driver on different types of hardware which should make a point that if two different sources uses the same driver only leads to having the same hardware.

Ok, excuse my noobiness here, but are the "display levels" able to be fiddled with? Or is it likely to be part of some binary that we can't do anything about.
M.

Does it mean we will be able to correct display issue with display calibration application ?
Already clicked thanks Thanks for the detailed information

When Comparing the NA Xperia Z (production carrier testing model) to a HTC One X, it is abundantly obvious the screen isn't up to par.
Not sure if software can correct atrocious viewing angles and contrast.

mattman83 said:
Ok, excuse my noobiness here, but are the "display levels" able to be fiddled with? Or is it likely to be part of some binary that we can't do anything about.
M.
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Hi! I only did a quick glance on the whole code to confirm that docomo and international version have the same types of display but I haven't messed yet with the whole display driver itself. I don't have any device yet to try messing with the driver configuration so I can't say yet. But most likely yes it is possible.
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Suppose to be yes. Like what I have said above I don't have any devices yet to debug this one but if the display calibration software sony included in the ROM is directly controlling the color enhancement and gamma(for saturation) then mostlikely it is possible.
Maedhros said:
When Comparing the NA Xperia Z (production carrier testing model) to a HTC One X, it is abundantly obvious the screen isn't up to par.
Not sure if software can correct atrocious viewing angles and contrast.
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I don't own any HTC One series phones so I can't compare actually but they are a whole different type of displays so I really can't tell if it's possible to calibrate it to be on par with the One X.
Edit: I am not familiar with Tegra 3 might take a while before I can check HTC One X

Ok this is good news..gave a thanks
If the software isnt included ill try get an XZ from japan only..do thy sell unlocked units?

I have been totally put off xz now. Tinny speaker screen not up to par. M7 released today will wait now
Custom Stock Rom 4.0 Eternity
Stock but better

Same with me. My eye currently is on HTC M7 since I got attracted by the frontal stereo speakers. But if it's the same like other One Series with unremoveable battery + no sd slot then back on anticipating the Xperia ZL. Being a current HTC user I find sense a very battery hog type of UI. Having a small battery capacity and unremoveable one would be a very big no for me. My current HTC device has already killed 2 batteries in 2 years and I don't want that to happen on a unremoveable battery phone. At least let us change batteries if it died. lol don't want a disposable device on my hand.

Does the ZL use the same screen? Since it is thicker it might use a non economical IPS???
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Warrimonk said:
Does the ZL use the same screen? Since it is thicker it might use a non economical IPS???
Sent from my GT-I9100 using xda app-developers app
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ZL does use the same screen as Xperia Z and what's economical IPS? If you're talking about e-IPS it's Enhanced-IPS not Economical-IPS. There's no such thing.
Also isn't e-IPS made by LG? And the display here isn't from LG but from sharp.
As you can see in the document it is a LTPS type of panel.
Panel Low-temperature poly-silicon (LTPS) TFT

Hmmmmm, a lot of people seemed convinced these displays were from JDI... so this is not the case? Interesting.
IF they are all Sharp displays, could that explain relatively crappy screen performance?

wow relatively crappy?!??!
what the... i mean its not top of the notch 2013 highend screen, but it sure does look sexy as hell in my eyes...

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Hmmmmm, a lot of people seemed convinced these displays were from JDI... so this is not the case? Interesting.
IF they are all Sharp displays, could that explain relatively crappy screen performance?
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Even I was also convinced on the past. But when the kernel source code was released this confirmed the real display being used.
There are actually 3 types of TF displays in general which are being used by phones.
AH-IPS, LTPS and ASV
AH-IPS are somewhat the AMOLED killer(Might be the display used by HTC)
LTPS which is being used by Xperia Z/ZL are the displays which is famous for being low power
ASV on which has the advantage of having a clear wide angle display.
I assume sony did get the LTPS display for utilizing the low power feature it has. This probably the reason why every review we get says that we are having excellent battery life for a 5 incher phone with high end chipsets.
So I'm not sure about what you're saying about crappy screen performance but if you're talking about the angle washed out issue then probably this is a screen issue.
If it's the saturation of the overall screen I'd say it's a software issue
I'm sure sony could fix it. It's just a matter of setting the ARGB values of windows manager of ROM they compiled.
This must be the reason also why Docomo version has good display while others aren't. Assuming that the Docomo version is a customized OS and not the generic one probably different developers must have made/compiled the OS.

Phorgasmic said:
wow relatively crappy?!??!
what the... i mean its not top of the notch 2013 highend screen, but it sure does look sexy as hell in my eyes...
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I agree they are great. By relatively crappy I was both referring to peoples perceptions of it and the fact that some people say the phones they have seen are great and others say they are bad. Originally it was believed the screen came from JDI, so if they are using screens from both companies that could explain this discrepency if the Sharp panels aren't up to snuff

found a decent description of the 3
AH-IPS
This display technology has been invented by LG. It is an abbreviation for Advanced High performing - In-Plane Switching LCD. It is being touted as the actual competitor to Samsung's 'Super AMOLED' display. In a competition held by 'Intertek', LG's AH-IPS display actually defeated Samsung's Super AMOLED in 2 parameters: Color-Accuracy and Power-Efficiency. You can find this display in the recently released LG Nitro HD.
LTPS
This is an abbreviation for 'Low Temperature Poly Silicon' LCD. One of the important characteristics of such displays is that, the drive circuits are directly integrated onto the glass surface which contributes to reducing the number of component parts designed on the outside substrate. This leads to the display's durability being enhanced. The reduced size of the TFT section leads to a crisper display and also leads to lower power consumption. You can find this display in the Lenovo LePad S2005.
ASV
This is an abbreviation for Advanced Super View display. The important characteristic of this display is that it offers excellent viewing angles and competes with the In-Plane Switching (IPS) LCDs. You can find this display in theMeizu MX.

yea sorry i sounded a bit harsh, my Z arrives today and the discussion about the display here just got me..
had a S2 for a year now, lets see how the switch will be cant wait to get home to my phone today in a few hours!!!!
sorry for OT

Phorgasmic said:
yea sorry i sounded a bit harsh, my Z arrives today and the discussion about the display here just got me..
had a S2 for a year now, lets see how the switch will be cant wait to get home to my phone today in a few hours!!!!
sorry for OT
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All good. I shall be getting the ZL as soon as it hits Canada in April. The screen easily destroys the one on my x10a, and that is all that matters to me.

Phorgasmic said:
yea sorry i sounded a bit harsh, my Z arrives today and the discussion about the display here just got me..
had a S2 for a year now, lets see how the switch will be cant wait to get home to my phone today in a few hours!!!!
sorry for OT
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Hi! If you don't mind could you try installing this software on your Xperia Z?
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.netmanslab.sa&hl=en
And see if you can fix the saturation like they say.
If you can then I can confirm that the issue is within the ROM it is using and not in the display nor the gamma values defined on the kernel.

vivftp said:
All good. I shall be getting the ZL as soon as it hits Canada in April. The screen easily destroys the one on my x10a, and that is all that matters to me.
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Same with me I wouldn't exchange the IR Blaster, smaller size, comfortable back portion, Cool notification lights, Dedicated Camera Button, higher battery capacity(even if it's way too little it's still higher)
over waterproofness & classy looks only.

Riyal said:
Same with me I wouldn't exchange the IR Blaster, smaller size, comfortable back portion, Cool notification lights, Dedicated Camera Button, higher battery capacity(even if it's way too little it's still higher)
over waterproofness & classy looks only.
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Well the only other thing the Z MIGHT possibly have over the ZL is drop test durability, but no way to know for certain until they're actually dropped. My guess is they will either be equal or the ZL will be better, but so far we've only seen the Z dropped and survive everytime just fine.
I do like the idea of the dock for the Z, but I can live without that. I do wonder if Sony will have a dock for the ZL too...

Viewing angle shots Xperia Z vs. Optimus 4x vs. iPhone 4

Hi guys and gals,
got my Xperia Z today and am really disappointed with the display viewing angles. Just wanted to share a few shots with you for comparison.
(Don't hate me for the iDevice, it's a business phone, didn't have a choice :angel: )
The bad thing is: you really notice the color distortion at normal use. While looking up front, everything's fine. But tilt in any direction and you immediately see the problem. Didn't expect the 4x display to be so much better, minus the resolution. Maybe I just have caught a "bad" Xperia, but... meh. Guess I will return it and wait for the X-Phone or so.
I read on a german site that users are reporting a great variety in display quality, this is really a bummer on a flagship smartphone.
regards,
pint

Looks good to me.

Al Gore said:
Looks good to me.
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Same here

That's not even close to bad. The two others uses IPS displays and the Z does not.

pintness said:
Hi guys and gals,
got my Xperia Z today and am really disappointed with the display viewing angles. Just wanted to share a few shots with you for comparison.
(Don't hate me for the iDevice, it's a business phone, didn't have a choice :angel: )
The bad thing is: you really notice the color distortion at normal use. While looking up front, everything's fine. But tilt in any direction and you immediately see the problem. Didn't expect the 4x display to be so much better, minus the resolution. Maybe I just have caught a "bad" Xperia, but... meh. Guess I will return it and wait for the X-Phone or so.
I read on a german site that users are reporting a great variety in display quality, this is really a bummer on a flagship smartphone.
regards,
pint
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Whats the issue, 99% of the time you will look head one, which your photo proves Sony is as good as the other phones.
Is this a troll thread?

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Looks good to me.
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Same here
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agreed

samxool said:
Whats the issue, 99% of the time you will look head one, which your photo proves Sony is as good as the other phones.
Is this a troll thread?
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to be fair, not every one has the same expectations and preferences so if you really want good viewing angles this is not the phone for you or if you feel you miss out when other phones have better viewing angles, this is not the phone for you. in the end of the day Sony could have prevented this by using a better panel.
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idem

The screen quality looks amazing! Viewing angels are alot better than expected too.
The Sony Xperia Z looks much sleeker and has a better design compared to the other 2. The Iphone looks tiny.

Wow... Are ppl this mindless? It was proven that the screens are all the same. How can some look bad and some great? Simple. They can't.
What is happening is that some ppl are just shouting about how great the scrrn is, while ignoring a huge flaw.
I don't understand why ppl don't recognize this and speak up? Tell Sony you arent happy so they can change it in the next version.
Why are ppl settling for less?
In before people accuse me of being a troll...

Maedhros said:
Wow... Are ppl this mindless? It was proven that the screens are all the same. How can some look bad and some great? Simple. They can't.
What is happening is that some ppl are just shouting about how great the scrrn is, while ignoring a huge flaw.
I don't understand why ppl don't recognize this and speak up? Tell Sony you arent happy so they can change it in the next version.
Why are ppl settling for less?
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This is sad. Why's it affecting you more than people who will and already have shelled out money for it?

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This is sad. Why's it affecting you more than people who will and already have shelled out money for it?
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Because... The better phones Sony Makes, the better for eveeyone. Simple capitalism. I have a vested interest in pointing out flaws in the device, just as I am critical of several things on otther device
Such as DDR2 Ram on the HTC one instead of DDR3. Not to mention low GL bench scores and the the camera not necessarily living up to the hype.

Maedhros said:
Because... The better phones Sony Makes, the better for eveeyone. Simple capitalism. I have a vested interest in pointing out flaws in the device, just as I am critical of several things on otther device
Such as DDR2 Ram on the HTC one instead of DDR3. Not to mention low GL bench scores and the the camera not necessarily living up to the hype.
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So, when the S4 is announced with exynos 5, i take it you'll focus 100% to the HTC One forms and repeatedly post about it being outdated and obsolete - right? You know, like exactly you did with the Xperia Z.

Please can you take a photo with a better camera? Thanks

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Whats the issue, 99% of the time you will look head one, which your photo proves Sony is as good as the other phones.
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Nobody looks on their smartphone in the exact same angle 99% of the time. Do you hold your smartphone straight before your eyes when you look at it? Because that's the only angle the colors are shown correct. The slightest tilt will result in distortion and this ist f*ing annoying.
I have my phone lying on the table while reading news or watching videos, imagine that. Looks ****ty.
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That's not even close to bad. The two others uses IPS displays and the Z does not.
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Why would I care what kind of screen Sony uses on the XPZ, I just want an AWESOME screen. This is cleary not awesome.
Don't forget it's a 600€-phone, you should expect a high-end-display on this one.
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Please can you take a photo with a better camera? Thanks
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The camera's great, I just had not-ideal settings. But given I wanted to show the color distortion, I guess the problem is pretty obvious. What do you want to see?

pintness said:
Hi guys and gals,
got my Xperia Z today and am really disappointed with the display viewing angles. Just wanted to share a few shots with you for comparison.
(Don't hate me for the iDevice, it's a business phone, didn't have a choice :angel: )
The bad thing is: you really notice the color distortion at normal use. While looking up front, everything's fine. But tilt in any direction and you immediately see the problem. Didn't expect the 4x display to be so much better, minus the resolution. Maybe I just have caught a "bad" Xperia, but... meh. Guess I will return it and wait for the X-Phone or so.
I read on a german site that users are reporting a great variety in display quality, this is really a bummer on a flagship smartphone.
regards,
pint
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Yuck that is pretty bad.
I should have mine soon, guess I'll see how I get on before the return period runs out..

pintness said:
Nobody looks on their smartphone in the exact same angle 99% of the time. Do you hold your smartphone straight before your eyes when you look at it? Because that's the only angle the colors are shown correct. The slightest tilt will result in distortion and this ist f*ing annoying.
I have my phone lying on the table while reading news or watching videos, imagine that. Looks ****ty.
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Not true, sorry.
Here are my shots of Z in the store:
http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=205054&p=106&g=Go
The fourth photo shows the phone at an angle (even this is unnatural though) and everything looks great.
Mind it's a shop where strong lights reflect on the Z's surface.

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can u post img of ur xZ for viewing andgle?

doministry said:
Not true, sorry.
Here are my shots of Z in the store:
http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=205054&p=106&g=Go
The fourth photo shows the phone at an angle (even this is unnatural though) and everything looks great.
Mind it's a shop where strong lights reflect on the Z's surface.
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Compare the icon colours of picture 2+3 to the colors on picture 1. Obvious.
Since there are no colours on picture 4, take a look at the software button bar and compare the lightness to that on on picture 1. Pretty much different, I don't think it looks too great.
edit: also compare the software button bar on pic 2+3 to pic 1, it's almost as "nice" as the display on my Archos A70.

Wow XZ screen looks really wonderful at first pic, which the same viewing angle I use 99% of the time
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Japanese vs European screen
Japanese is better (disregarding grey navigation bars on Euro models)

Expectations, are they realistic?

Hi,
Very interesting and informative forum.
Though part and parcel of all such forums I do begin to ponder if our expectations of such a device as the XZ are on times realistic?
Battery life: Consider this, Full 1080 x 1920 5" HD screen. Quad core 1,5GB. 2GB RAM. Not to mention Wi-Fi, blu tooth, GPS and NTC. Place this inside an ultra thin robust superbly crafted mobile and is it so surprising the battery has its limitations? I think not.
We simply have to accept that this new breed of super phone is going to push battery levels to the limit. We cannot realistically compare such a mobile even with a modern phone dating back 12 months! Sure I have owned phones that have needed charging only twice per week but it was 'just' a phone.
Viewing angles. WHAT is this all about. May I, with respect, ask any one who places their phone in the kitchen and expects to see it form the third floor. Gross exaggeration there BUT its equally odd and questionable why some reviewers harp on about viewing angle? Unless I have been doing something wrong with my mobiles dating back to 1989 then I cant think why such a parameter is even mentioned. I don't want the person sitting next to me on the train looking at what I type in an SMS etc? WHO holds there mobile at 45degrees to their viewing line of site and why?
Considering this mobile will perform what it used to take maybe 6 other separate devices to perform in one sleek elegant package I am not surprised it requires charging every night. I am rather shocked given its specification it works at all? Fantastic technology wrapped into such a wonderful mobile and so well made. No, I do not begrudge my XZ having something to eat every evening.
I have managed three days without charging providing I use with caution... Telephone calls and SMS's don't appear to drain the battery any more than previous well outdated mobiles did.
Washed out colours? I own the Samsung galaxy S2 and S3 plus the Note and come to mention it the nexus S and to me its a question of choice and preference. I was spellbound with the colours of the S3 BUT after a time it became hard on my eyes to view such over exaggerated highly saturated colours. Life is not like that! Place the XZ side to side with most of my Samsung range and their IS a difference and I am pleased there is. I now find the XZ colour reproduction much more realistic and less strain to view for long periods of time. I am not saying one is better than the other they are different, I now prefer the XZ.
Choice is a wonderful thing and it has taken decades of conflict to ensure we have it. We should appreciate the choices we have and enjoy as many of them as we can while we can.
Congratulations to Sony and the world of technology for giving us such devices. Think outside the box, look at your XZ, its rather ingenious don't you think!
Kind regards to you all.

The only I hope better was viewing angle.
Ya, we look 99% phone straight view, means viewing angle not affecting much.
But......... it do affect me slightly when playing temple run type of games.
The only improvement I seen need at Z or ZL is better display panel, at least given us SLCD2 and better SLCD3.
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Some said washed out color, hmmm.......... I really no idea about this, they is confirm no washed out color.
"Life is not like that!" - actually Sony did much vibrant than any Samsung AMOLED flagship phone when you view photos / videos using bundle apps with Bravia Engine 2 turn on. The cool part here is Sony tune it nicer than Samsung as it look much appealing and real even it is extreme vivid. Sometimes I do hope Bravia Engine 2 will work also in at least the launcher wallpaper.

Battery & Viewing Angle
Ryland Johnson said:
Hi,
Very interesting and informative forum.
Though part and parcel of all such forums I do begin to ponder if our expectations of such a device as the XZ are on times realistic?
Battery life: Consider this, Full 1080 x 1920 5" HD screen. Quad core 1,5GB. 2GB RAM. Not to mention Wi-Fi, blu tooth, GPS and NTC. Place this inside an ultra thin robust superbly crafted mobile and is it so surprising the battery has its limitations? I think not.
We simply have to accept that this new breed of super phone is going to push battery levels to the limit. We cannot realistically compare such a mobile even with a modern phone dating back 12 months! Sure I have owned phones that have needed charging only twice per week but it was 'just' a phone.
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I really don't think battery life is bad at all. I leave WiFi on 24/7 and several voip apps and I easily get home every day with 14 hours use time and 30-40% battery left. I use the screen for 2-3 hours (on the train). I'm going to attach my battery life screenshot for yesterday. (The part with the rapid fall near the end is when I was watching youtube on the train on the way home...)
Ryland Johnson said:
Viewing angles. WHAT is this all about. May I, with respect, ask any one who places their phone in the kitchen and expects to see it form the third floor. Gross exaggeration there BUT its equally odd and questionable why some reviewers harp on about viewing angle? Unless I have been doing something wrong with my mobiles dating back to 1989 then I cant think why such a parameter is even mentioned. I don't want the person sitting next to me on the train looking at what I type in an SMS etc? WHO holds there mobile at 45 degrees to their viewing line of site and why?
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This is interesting, because one of the things I *don't* like about Sony is that their phones are missing something that all other Japanese makers (Sharp, Fujitsu, NEC, etc.) have as a standard feature - Veil View. This feature makes it much more impossible to read the phone from an angle by using a special LCD technology, while viewing it straight-on is only slightly impaired. This is such a strongly demanded feature that there are several apps in the Android market that attempt to emulate it for phones without the hardware support. (They can't change based on the angle though, so they make it just as hard to read for the actual user!

I think the viewing angles feature is being used to compare larger screens aka TV, monitors where it does matter since the screen will be seen from different positions but since a phone as far as I know is single user oriented it's a pointless subject of review.
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Anand tech review on g3. Not a winner on the screen..?

http://home.anandtech.com/show/8169/the-lg-g3-review
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Everyone says the jump from 1080 to 1440p isn't noticeable. I say that's dumb and it depends on the person.

when i had the 855 the screen is absolutely gorgeous. i think the reviewers are on drugs. yeah it may not be out of this world because displays today are so nice. but the difference is immediate i don't care what anyone says lol. i learned reviews are subjective. only way is to try it yourself.

One thing for sure the g3 is definitely the flawed beauty every one in love with, the device has glaring weaknesses yet many reviewers still ultimately like it despite fully acknowledging it's ugly side

nap007 said:
One thing for sure the g3 is definitely the flawed beauty every one in love with, the device has glaring weaknesses yet many reviewers still ultimately like it despite fully acknowledging it's ugly side
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The g3 is fine. Just shut up. We acknowledge its weaknesses. Every phone has them!

Lostatsea23 said:
Everyone says the jump from 1080 to 1440p isn't noticeable. I say that's dumb and it depends on the person.
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Anandtech says it is noticeable to a fault.
Over sharpness
Throttling
Display auto dimming
Like other reviews and users noted, Anandtech says the G3 would have been the closest to perfect device yet with a good 1080p display. The Qhd hurts overall performance rather than helps.

rushless said:
Anandtech says it is noticeable to a fault.
Over sharpness
Throttling
Display auto dimming
Like other reviews and users noted, Anandtech says the G3 would have been the closest to perfect device yet with a good 1080p display. The Qhd hurts overall performance rather than helps.
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Also came to same conclusion as most. The top Android phones are so close that they are basically even. Each has good points and bad. Just depends on how you as an individual rate the pros and cons.
I've had the m8.
I liked the build quality, speakers were great and screen was good. Camera sucked for anything but Internet posting. Then I realized (unlike most kids) that not everyone wants to listen to my music . So I use headphones in public and Bluetooth in car. So those boomsound bezels were pointless. And I really missed qi charging.
I had the S5
Screen was lovely. Camera was good and water resistance was nice. But I hated how it felt in my hand. And it only came with 16gb at AT&T.
LG G3
I don't have my us model. But my friend has the Korean version. My total time with it is a few hours at work. So not a great review. But I Love the way it feels in hand. Feels premium. Love the screen size. Screen to me is as good as the S5 or the M8. Was plenty bright for me indoors and out. (does have more glare than the S5, but not horrible if you're looking straight on).
I like a bright screen and 70 to 75% was perfect for me. And I never saw it dim. Maybe it does at 90 to 100%,but that's too bright for me anyway.
Halo is there. But didn't bother me really. He says with Nova it's a non issue, but it had stock launcher when I used it.
To sum up.
For me the LG G3 hits more of the right spots for me. My opinion may change once I get mine. But he loves his, and I really enjoyed the time I used it.

Anandtech reviewed a preproduction Korean model. Many of the issues they had with the screen have been fixed in the production International model.

bobbarker2 said:
Anandtech reviewed a preproduction Korean model. Many of the issues they had with the screen have been fixed in the production International model.
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The Korean models aren't all preproduction lol. People keep saying that. The early review units were as in the day of announcement. All G3s are the same now and have been fixed via a firmware update

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The Korean models aren't all preproduction lol. People keep saying that. The early review units were as in the day of announcement. All G3s are the same now and have been fixed via a firmware update
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Uh, duh? Saying they reviewed a preproduction Korean model does not imply that ALL Korean models are preproduction - just the one they got like every other review copy. Reading comprehension...

I always appreciate Anand and his reviews. That said, I'm still buying the phone, as my review is the most important.
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Semantics said:
I always appreciate Anand and his reviews. That said, I'm still buying the phone, as my review is the most important.
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My thoughts exactly. I have been reading so many reviews and watching video reviews. Most love the phone...... Some acknowledged that they had pre production models and were waiting for the production models and would review them again. Most of the people that have the phone are giving it a thumbs up. I will get the AT&T model and do my own personal review.

I keep seeing people dinging on the battery life, but battery life is such a relative measure. For me, it just needs to get me to the end of the day, I plug my phone into a charger when i go to sleep. I've also got a 1+ hour commute in each direction, so I attach my device to a 2A charger in my car for the trip, which makes a big difference.
Plus I guarantee someone's going to come up with a larger battery for the thing, that's the nice part about removable batteries.
Anyway, I'm more concerned with the other aspects of the QHD screen, including app compatibility. Also wondering how HDX Vudu and Netflix content will look and if the G3 attempts to sharpen/upscale that content or not.

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