I'm one of those few people who prefer physical keyboards. I have a DROID-4. Was really sad when those "leaks" of the DROID-5 turned out to be fake.
I think this device would be a good upgrade. I feel the only reason we're getting a keyboard on this Android phone is because it's being manufactured by Blackberry, and the QWERTY is one of their quintessential features. I doubt we'll ever get any new QWERTY Android phones from other manufacturers.
Although I've never liked "portrait" style keyboards, for some reason it seems to suit this device. And the specs are really good. I hope it runs Android M.
Here's a hands-on video I watched of the device: https://youtube.com/watch?v=uJ6Yvp7-z3E - Looks pretty sweet.
Absolutely, can't wait for this device to be available.
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Cyber-Logic said:
I'm one of those few people who prefer physical keyboards. I have a DROID-4. Was really sad when those "leaks" of the DROID-5 turned out to be fake.
I think this device would be a good upgrade. I feel the only reason we're getting a keyboard on this Android phone is because it's being manufactured by Blackberry, and the QWERTY is one of their quintessential features. I doubt we'll ever get any new QWERTY Android phones from other manufacturers.
Although I've never liked "portrait" style keyboards, for some reason it seems to suit this device. And the specs are really good. I hope it runs Android M.
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Day 1 purchase for me. My Relay is ready to be retired. I wonder how many QWERTY faithful are planning on getting the Priv? BB has/ will have a monopoly on the android keyboard crowd, so this has the potential to be a very successful product.
I thought I was the only one who really missed having a keyboard. There was a time I wouldn't buy a phone unless it had a physical keyboard. Never owned a Blackberry, only carried one for work at times. But I never liked the BB OS/Interface because back then I was coming from Windows Mobile. I feel like original Droid was the last of the Android keyboard phones.
This BB could be a big hit. It seems as though they didn't cut corners on specs it also seems as though they made an effort to keep it thin. I'm sold but I won't sacrifice performance (specs) just to have a keyboard, and I don't want some thick clunky device either. That said...I hate phablets...they're too big for me. I already have a tablet, surface pro 4, and Razer notebook. I want my phone to be no larger than 5.1 - 5.2 in screen wise. They seemed to have checked that box as well. If the specs line up Snapdragon 808 - 810, 3GB Ram, 5.1 in display etc. The only thing they're missing is a better looking shell. I know BB is business-oriented, utilitarian-style, but damn BB you're bring out a device that needs to have mass appeal not just to business users but consumers. Hell your days of companies having BES severs are long gone. Corporate America isn't going to say...excellent BlackBerry is back. All new devices will be BlackBerry's that we assign instead of iPhones. Just like Windows Phone...too little too late. BB will never be the BB they used to be. So go ahead and start appealing to average consumers. Come out with killer phones try to compete with Samsung. Make a sexier looking Priv.
Does it look boring? Yes. My previous Copper Z3 and current Platinum Gold S6 Edge will run circles around it. I just hope the battery life is better than the S6 Edge, and the camera is at LEAST just as good. The S6 camera is amazing (but battery life blows). Z3 (amazing battery life, garbage camera).
My guess:
Camera will be adequate, not S6 good, but usable.
Battery life will be decent, and get better after a few months (blackberry hasn't made an android phone, so the battery life may not be optimized at first. If it sells well they may put enough resources into it to make it better)
The stand out takes will be the keyboard, and the integration with Blackberry devices (BBM, hub, enterprise).
The phone will do well, if they have good specs and market the phone correctly.
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The screen size is 5.5" and the battery has been said to have a capacity of 3,400 to 3,650 mAh.
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BTW- The Priv is pretty sleek. A guy on Reddit said he got to try it out and he says it's THINNER than his Note 5, which is 7.6mm thick. And for comparison, the new iPhone is 7.3mm thick.
At a conference I was at today, one of BlackBerry's executives had a 'Priv' which he let me play with for a bit. I must admit, it's a VERY nice device. It was actually thinner than my Note 5! It also seemed snappy and smooth, and the keyboard was also very nice. It had full access to the Play store as you would expect, and he had a few apps loaded. The screen was very nice with a high PPI, and it seemed to curvey around the edges. I have to say that I'm definitely interested in Blackberry again!
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Rumoured pricing, $3999 RMB in China.
http://weibo.com/3889211823/CECSseD...1823_profile&wvr=6&mod=weibotime&type=comment
Straight up currency conversion gives $630 USD, $815 CAD. However, LG G4 was launched at the same price in China, and it launched in Canada at $700 CAD, US at $600, so I'm not sure.
If there's a bundle deal during Black Friday or drops down to $599 CAD (even better if there's a pricing error again like the Passport), I might pull the trigger.
There are new photo samples of the pre-leased software. Check out: http://crackberry.com/latest-priv-b...=slider&utm_campaign=navigation&utm_source=cb
Thanks for the pics. Very interesting phone!
Amazing idea, we've been waiting for something like that since the old xperia pro. it's been really a long time.
looks good, i hope they use strong flexible ribbon for the keyboard
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nO8EdLtJj0&feature=youtu.be
Cyber-Logic said:
I'm one of those few people who prefer physical keyboards. I have a DROID-4. Was really sad when those "leaks" of the DROID-5 turned out to be fake.
I think this device would be a good upgrade. I feel the only reason we're getting a keyboard on this Android phone is because it's being manufactured by Blackberry, and the QWERTY is one of their quintessential features. I doubt we'll ever get any new QWERTY Android phones from other manufacturers.
Although I've never liked "portrait" style keyboards, for some reason it seems to suit this device. And the specs are really good. I hope it runs Android M.
Here's a hands-on video I watched of the device: https://youtube.com/watch?v=uJ6Yvp7-z3E - Looks pretty sweet.
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Not only just a keyboard, the BEST keyboard the industry can offer. I'm so excited for this phone.
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Not only just a keyboard, the BEST keyboard the industry can offer. I'm so excited for this phone.
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I always HATED their keyboards. They are lined up wrong, and their shape makes it hard to tell by feel just *which* key you have your thumb on. Anyway, that's my feel of it from every time somebody handed me one to punch in my email address.
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I always HATED their keyboards. They are lined up wrong, and their shape makes it hard to tell by feel just *which* key you have your thumb on. Anyway, that's my feel of it from every time somebody handed me one to punch in my email address.
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The only thing about the physical keyboard is that there are two different keyboards. If I was to adjust to the onboard virtual keyboard and its layout, I feel like that would mess me up with the physical keyboard's layout. Not sure how this will affect me/anyone using this phone.
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The only thing about the physical keyboard is that there are two different keyboards. If I was to adjust to the onboard virtual keyboard and its layout, I feel like that would mess me up with the physical keyboard's layout. Not sure how this will affect me/anyone using this phone.
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Well I use with my index & middle fingers when touch typing while I use my things with the physical keyboard so I don't run into the same problems
I can't wait to have both Swype & an authentic BlackBerry physical & virtual keyboard on one device. Ultimate efficient typing for all occasions
Cyber-Logic said:
I'm one of those few people who prefer physical keyboards. I have a DROID-4. Was really sad when those "leaks" of the DROID-5 turned out to be fake.
I think this device would be a good upgrade. I feel the only reason we're getting a keyboard on this Android phone is because it's being manufactured by Blackberry, and the QWERTY is one of their quintessential features. I doubt we'll ever get any new QWERTY Android phones from other manufacturers.
Although I've never liked "portrait" style keyboards, for some reason it seems to suit this device. And the specs are really good. I hope it runs Android M.
Here's a hands-on video I watched of the device: https://youtube.com/watch?v=uJ6Yvp7-z3E - Looks pretty sweet.
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I can tell you that I have waited for this device the day my BB Torch finally broke after many years if faithful service.
It's been a LONG road but I'm glad to say the wait is finally almost over!
pre ordered. couldn't say no to a keyboard, missed my torch keyboard every day since i had Galaxy s3 and s5
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BTW- The Priv is pretty sleek. A guy on Reddit said he got to try it out and he says it's THINNER than his Note 5, which is 7.6mm thick. And for comparison, the new iPhone is 7.3mm thick.
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Maybe he meant width. Multiple sites are listing the Priv at 9.4 mm thick which seems more believable than sub-7.6 mm.
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Ive been wondering all these damn phone companies including HTC the maker of the G1 has been primarily focusing on Iphone look-a-likes, maybe i just dont really like Iphones or my G1 is getting old lol, i would love to see development for a True G2, i mean i bought the mytouch i regretted it so bad just a piece of **** phone, maybe i got used to the keyboard or something but anyways, what do you guys think would be great specs for successor for the G1?
I think Video,RAM,Processor would ultimately become something great if added multitouch, 5-8 megapixel cam with flash would be great , Java would be fun!! what else do you think would make this Android Lover Dream.
Design?
A sleeker look. They should thin it out a bit but keep the same Device keyboard and its format.
...With 2.1 eclair Firmware =>
Specs equal to or better than GN1, physical keyboard with properly aligned keys (you know, where the A-S-D-F row is offset by half a key from the Q-W-E-R and Z-X-C-V rows), and most importantly.....
FULLY DOCUMENTED HARDWARE, i.e. full open source drivers so that we can take command of the device when the manufacturer decides to stop supporting it....
The Mytouch slide might be it..
I'd be all over a Snapdragon phone with a QWERTY.
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The Mytouch slide might be it..
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I'm pretty sure that's still using the 528Mhz processor.
yeah seriously would be nice i love the G1 i mean no-other keyboard phone has been released, i do like the separated keys on the Hardware key since i have huge hands it feels at home. maybe the snapdragon processor, with a fully customizable android OS or at least UI or something, the 2.1 Update of Android really kicked it up a notch but i know that there can be a better looking OS in the end with tons of great features. mytouch slider would be interesting but i dont know isnt a bit too big for a slider? unless they do a built in battery and well do a similar design as the palm pre.
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yeah seriously would be nice i love the G1 i mean no-other keyboard phone has been released...
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Remember the Droid?
Diceman4 said:
Remember the Droid?
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That's exactly what I was thinking
I agree that I'm disappointed by the lack of phones with a hardware keyboard. I'd also like to see hardware buttons used instead of the touch-based ones like the Droid and N1 have--as well as preserving the Call and End buttons of the G1.
I'd be happy to see HTC introduce a phone that looks nearly identical to the G1, with these improvements:
>=3.7 inch 800x480 Screen
Snapdragon 1GHz Processor
>= N1's Memory Specs
Android 2.1
Barring this, I hope that an N1 with a good hardware keyboard comes along. Until then, I'm sticking with the G1.
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I agree that I'm disappointed by the lack of phones with a hardware keyboard. I'd also like to see hardware buttons used instead of the touch-based ones like the Droid and N1 have--as well as preserving the Call and End buttons of the G1.
I'd be happy to see HTC introduce a phone that looks nearly identical to the G1, with these improvements:
>=3.7 inch 800x480 Screen
Snapdragon 1GHz Processor
>= N1's Memory Specs
Android 2.1
Barring this, I hope that an N1 with a good hardware keyboard comes along. Until then, I'm sticking with the G1.
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You forgot not the size of a brick
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You forgot not the size of a brick
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That would be nice, but it's not critical to me if it means a hardware keyboard at least as useful as the G1's and a good-sized battery. I also find if a phone gets too skinny, it's hard to comfortably hold when in use.
1.5Ghz HTC Scorpion, it's just rumors for now. Slap on a hardware keyboard on this bad boy and I'm set for life.
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1.5Ghz HTC Scorpion, it's just rumors for now. Slap on a hardware keyboard on this bad boy and I'm set for life.
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The Scorpion would rock, but unfortunately it's likely fake. A lot of stuff in the build file does not add up. But man, it would rock.
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I agree that I'm disappointed by the lack of phones with a hardware keyboard. I'd also like to see hardware buttons used instead of the touch-based ones like the Droid and N1 have--as well as preserving the Call and End buttons of the G1.
I'd be happy to see HTC introduce a phone that looks nearly identical to the G1, with these improvements:
>=3.7 inch 800x480 Screen
Snapdragon 1GHz Processor
>= N1's Memory Specs
Android 2.1
Barring this, I hope that an N1 with a good hardware keyboard comes along. Until then, I'm sticking with the G1.
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Yeah I'd totally go for the Nexus One specs with the G1's keyboard and hardware buttons. Not to mention a 3.5mm jack, which the G1 is sadly lacking. But then again, I'd take the G1's keyboard on just about anything. It's second to none of any PDA or smartphone I've seen, except perhaps the Atari Portfolio... and yes I remember when that was released! That's the G1's ancestor, the G1 being 20 years in the making...
As for camera, I REALLY wish they would concentrate on getting the cameras to take quick shots without blur rather than aiming at high pixel count. I like my cell phone to take quick snaps, even in questionable lighting. I'll use a real digital camera for high quality shots.
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That's exactly what I was thinking
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lol i know and the cliq but im talking about a real G1 successor by HTC the keyboard from droid/cliq suck balls!!!! big hairy ones too lmaoo
pimpin214 said:
Yeah I'd totally go for the Nexus One specs with the G1's keyboard and hardware buttons. Not to mention a 3.5mm jack, which the G1 is sadly lacking. But then again, I'd take the G1's keyboard on just about anything. It's second to none of any PDA or smartphone I've seen, except perhaps the Atari Portfolio..."
" and yes I remember when that was released! That's the G1's ancestor, the G1 being 20 years in the making...
As for camera, I REALLY wish they would concentrate on getting the cameras to take quick shots without blur rather than aiming at high pixel count. I like my cell phone to take quick snaps, even in questionable lighting. I'll use a real digital camera for high quality shots.
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couldnt have said it better myself, the keyboard just makes the G1 what it is today,Im keeping the G1 till something else comes out thats tops the G1..maybe HTC decided to tease us and that was it just a tease...i mean come on! Sapphire(Mytouch,G2),Hero (G3)GSM/CDMA, i could care less for a sense UI but i would love a more snappier up to date G2 and i mean the real G2
This is the same situation that led me away from WinMo phones.
The HTC Universal was pretty much the perfect device..... A successor was touted for years but nothing ever materialised....
Same is happening here, the silly non-hardware buttons on the face which are totally non-intuitive, 4 row keyboards requiring 2 button presses to produce a number.....
I don't hold out much hope for anything better, looks like a concession will have to be made somewhere...
Inbrics M1?
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Inbrics M1?
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The keys are incorrectly aligned. Look at a real keyboard -- the "ASDF" row is offset by a half key from the "QWER" and "ZXCV" rows. DREAM had the keyboard alignment right. All this other stuff is JUNK.
So I have been casually been browsing around off and on for the past few months for a rocking follow up phone to the G1.. Don't get me wrong- I absolutely love my G1. Ask anyone who knows me, I love it and it loves me. Nothing like owning the original android, and plus its a stellar phone. I looove the keyboard, there isnt another like it other there. It's just I havent been able to settle on a great daily ROM that is extremely stable, with good battery life and is snappy.
So I thought I would share my findings in my conquests to find some phones that us G1 fanatics could buy once we decide to put down our heavenly G1's.
1. Obviously first off there is the "G2". A great phone I might actually get once I finally part ways with the G1.
I was browsing Tmobile's site today and found another sweet quasi-G1 phone that are yet to release!
2. The Tmobile Sidekick 4G looks like it might be the first sidekick whose execution follows through on a cool phone concept. The keyboard looks very spacious and much like the G1 and plus its got the whole flip screen idea which seems kinda neat to me.. http://sidekick.t-mobile.com/
Feel free everyone to add any comments or any other phones that you think might fulfill a g1 user's dreams for the a future phone..
It looks like G2 is a name used for different phones. Can you link a picture?
I think a good successor may be the HTC Vision, http://www.newphones.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/HTC-Vision-phone.jpg
Desire Z would be the real successor.
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It looks like G2 is a name used for different phones. Can you link a picture?
I think a good successor may be the HTC Vision, http://www.newphones.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/HTC-Vision-phone.jpg
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Dang, that HTC Vision does indeed look pretty slick. The keyboard looks like and spacey; I hate the keyboards that are cramped..
Here is an image of the HTC/Tmobile G2. And official Site here Great Review of it Here; I think it looks amazing!!
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Desire Z would be the real successor.
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Hot dang, that Desire Z does look super sick!! Here is a link: http://www.htc.com/www/product/desirez/overview.html
In fact in just briefly look over it, I cant figure out how it is different from the G2- perhaps newer?
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Hot dang, that Desire Z does look super sick!! Here is a link: http://www.htc.com/www/product/desirez/overview.html
In fact in just briefly look over it, I cant figure out how it is different from the G2- perhaps newer?
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It is not different except slightly with regard to the software on it. Also the compatible frequency set. If you're reading these forums, then the software it ships with doesn't matter to you to begin with.
BOTH are HTC VISION -- that is the real name of the hardware.
That samsung "sidekick" thing looks very similar in spec to the VISION. A couple of things to be aware of... samsung is known for poor quality "feel" (i.e., they feel cheap and plasticy), has had SEVERE problems with things like GPS.
Given the similarities in specs, you KNOW that the HTC VISION has been totally owned (you can take a brand new one from tmobile and run "gfree" on it and it instantly becomes full hardware and radio unlocked). The samsung is still an unknown quantity and a risk. Go with what is known. The VISION is an excellent phone and a worthy successor to the DREAM.
Note: I see that your carrier is ATT... you would be better off buying one from BELL CANADA than from tmobile because of frequency selection.
I thought the Tmobile G2 was the successor to the Tmobile G1. No debate? Lol
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I thought the Tmobile G2 was the successor to the Tmobile G1. No debate? Lol
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haha, yea I guess 'officially' you are right..
dhkr: Yea I was reading reviews, and heard pretty much the same thing about the sidekick.. The sidekicks always kind of 'appealed' to me, but now I think I am moving on past the 'cool' phone stage and looking at phones that are function based/pro (ie the G2).
Actually I will be getting a new plan come may so I might go with another carrier- we will see.. Gosh I keep lusting over the G2; it looks like wicked! Although I just recently rerooted my G1 and cant get enough of it; the original android = AWESOME!
I was just kind of posting this more for people to get informed about possible phones they could buy after their g1; phones similar to the g1. (rather than a 'what should i buy?' thread).. thanks for the input!
Agreed...Sidekick looks great, but I have had a long experience of reliability with my HTC phones...it would be hard to go past the G2/Desire Z
I had been looking quite closely at these phones. At first I really liked the Desire Z. I wanted one just by looking at it. I wouldn't have gotten rid of the G1 very easily though.
I'm changing my trail of thought though. I'm starting to look ahead to the XPERIA Pro. (Can't post a link, can't edit the post until after 5 minutes... getting tired of these forum restrictions. :/) I think this would be my G1 successor... maybe. I don't think I could afford this when it is properly released here until it becomes an average phone that's not capable of the latest software demands, but I'd damn sure love one of those in silver right now!
Thanks for the input, and I would agree that the xerpia pro looks very nice. At first glance it seems like it might be a bit flimsy; gosh those htc phones just have such a pro/smooth look.
Here are a few links for the Xerpia Pro and photos .. (sucks about the forum restrictions chocolate columbo, just keep posting!)
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Looking spiffy but on first glance I might still prefer the G2.
Nobody wants the g2x? (Basically a stock Froyo version of the optimus 2x. Coming out on the 20th i believe.
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well, although that phone looks rad, it does not really match the features we g1 lovers like.. mainly an awesome physical keyboard. I think I prefer the G2's maker (htc) over g2x (low build quality LG).
Being a g1 owner atm I do appreciate having a physical keyboard over touchscreen typing,however I'm sick of having smaller screens just cuz I prefer the latter. I don't really see why everyone trips out on how big or thin/small the phone is, its like if the phone isn't a .01mm leaner then the last everyone bashes it and calls it a brick. Ffs I love my fat g1 with extended 2300mah/bigger back cover to boot, I've never dropped it and its always comfortable holding it to type novels like this one or even play emulators on. I guess my main gripe is why nobody has yet to make an 4.3 inch slide out qwerty phone(closest being the epic,but samsung is fail!) My next phone will be the g2x I'm sick of waiting for my dream phone and hearing that cyanogen tweeted g2x is his next personal phone its really a no brainer for anyone that enjoys a stock android experience with tons of mods to come. To hell with the physical keyboard,G2x here I come!
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I don't really see why everyone trips out on how big or thin/small the phone is, its like if the phone isn't a .01mm leaner then the last everyone bashes it and calls it a brick
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I completely agree- it is very annoying to hear people bash the g1 without even trying it out. So once we have a type-off I can completely dominate them. People need to stop being so obsessed with the size/thickness of a phone. Please people, build quality, and functionality is way more important.
As far as screen size, yea sometimes the smallness of the g1 bothers me. I am stoked to upgrade to a g2 soon though because its a wee bit bigger of a screen
I've adapted to those comments. As you well know, even as big as it is considered, the practicality of the G1 will still outweigh a large majority of phones being made now.
As much as I love it, it is an old phone and it does show. People are going to be more impressed by weight, immediate GUI interface and screen size than much else.
I've had my G1 for a little over two years now. I could've upgraded back in December but that was a very slow time for phone releases. All the fastest phones had been out a while and nothing good had been announced for the near future. As soon as I found out they were releasing the G2X I knew what phone I was going to buy. I loved the G1 for it's stock UI, the keyboard, trackball, and all the dev support it got/gets. I have been feeling that the G1 is not enough for me anymore with it's dated hardware and (sorry for bringing up size) relatively large size compared to current phones. This thing just looks like a dinosaur and feels like I'm riding a bicycle when everyone's driving Corvettes. I'm very picky about what I want in a phone now and honestly the only thing I think the G2x is missing for my own taste is a track ball/pad. But considering I'm going to a 4" screen from a 3.2" I know I won't have a problem. Also, I'm an Nvidia fanboy .
Yes, good point about the trackball. I looooove my trackball, it makes scrolling so painless. But I agree that its hardware is very much dinosauresque which is why I am looking to upgrade.
I think the G2 is one of the best bets... the only problem I have with it is how old the tech is considering duel-core phones are cutting edge now.
For me... I'm thinking of the HTC Sensation.
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I phone wins it has a SEARCH button .
jje
I know, having to hold down a button for 1 second is SUCH a drag on the SGS2..
These pictures will keep coming for every iteration of the iPhone.
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I phone wins it has a SEARCH button .
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what search button?
haha =) Apple have to do something big in the future now..
These discussions are becoming pointless. I love sgs2 and wouldn't swap it for an ip4, but then again, if I could be arsed (to show the pointlessness) I would do a sheet where the galaxy only has one tick over a stone and ip4 has loads. Resolution, UI presentation, transitions etc.. ip4 is much better in some respects, as is the sgs2. Pointless..
Don't become as Iphone funboys pls.
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These discussions are becoming pointless. I love sgs2 and wouldn't swap it for an ip4, but then again, if I could be arsed (to show the pointlessness) I would do a sheet where the galaxy only has one tick over a stone and ip4 has loads. Resolution, UI presentation, transitions etc.. ip4 is much better in some respects, as is the sgs2. Pointless..
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It`s made to laugh only.. you mention resolution. all websites favorizeses SAMOLED+ over the IPS display. UI on the iPhone is the same as it was back in 2007 with only icons on the screen, nothing more.
The list could actually contained 3x more stuff than it does, making the iPhoneusers look like they live in a prison.
But both have pros and cons, that`s right. But the picture still is funny;D
Comparing a year old iphone to the, less than a month old galaxy S II is a bit weak.
That said, iphone is a GAME changer and MAGICAL woooooooo weeeeeeeee
there are many things for a serious developer standpoint that are way better on ios. But from a user standpoint just looking at hardware course the sgs2 is super, it's way newer! But at the end of the day, most of those points on the list aren't true. I have dlna streaming on 3gs i have etc. Wirless sync, wicked multitasking and can even force an app to act as foreground even when in background (continue play video, running a graphics filter on an image etc). Comparing the 2 only has a point to the individual comparing. I dont get this defensiveness over phones really. oh well
Well, I happened to change loads of mobile devices (buy and sell ofcourse), some of them being HTC Desire HD, HTC HD7, Samsung Galaxy S, LG Optimus 2x, Nokia N8, Nokia C7, Xperia Arc, and now the iPhone.
I have to say that, although it is a little bit limited when it comes to "openness" compared to almost every other OS (Windows Phone OS is by far the worst crap I have ever tasted, so I dont even count it in), iPhone has the + that it is much more stable than anything else in the market, which is what people really want when it comes to business usage. And everything that it has on it works exactly as it should (e.g. the 5mp camera quality is fantastic, and way better, especially when it comes to 720p recording, than all the other devices I owned). GPS "hooks up" in max 20 secs, battery life is excellent, it never crashes, it is always lightning fast with no hick-ups (had many of these problems with Galaxy S).
And now, suddenly, the news is that Android is being struck by viruses and trojans (I personally believe that, if such malware exist, its either Jobbs job, or Gates ). When I had the Arc, I installed AVG, which was crap, and when I uninstalled it it ****ed up my device, which required a full restore.
I wish that Google just stopped jumping from version to version lightning fast (7 versions in 3 years is an exaggeration), and just pause for a year, trying to refine 2.3 OS and the Android Market management.
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These discussions are becoming pointless. I love sgs2 and wouldn't swap it for an ip4, but then again, if I could be arsed (to show the pointlessness) I would do a sheet where the galaxy only has one tick over a stone and ip4 has loads. Resolution, UI presentation, transitions etc.. ip4 is much better in some respects, as is the sgs2. Pointless..
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There is a difference though. most of the claims the iPhone can make against the SGS2 are subjective only, not technical. The resolution of the screen is pretty much the only one it can win and there are counter arguments about other aspects of the screen (poor blacks, small size, wrong aspect ratio etc).
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There is a difference though. most of the claims the iPhone can make against the SGS2 are subjective only, not technical. The resolution of the screen is pretty much the only one it can win and there are counter arguments about other aspects of the screen (poor blacks, small size, wrong aspect ratio etc).
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Hence why I said a hardware comparison is obviously sgs2 bias. But IOS vs Android is another matter. But the best is always what most suits the individual. Not what anyone other than YOU say. So thats why I still think comparing them in anything but superficial and subjective ways is almost impossible. UI speed, but what if your a little slow Customizable to hell, what if you dont customize, touch response, what if your not one to notice, call quality, what if you only ever phone when your on a building site lol Everything is context based and subjective
Of course, everything is subjective in this matter. But when all the reviewers come with the same conclusion on which is the best, can we then conclude that the product is best for the mass? (Generally)
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Of course, everything is subjective in this matter. But when all the reviewers come with the same conclusion on which is the best, can we then conclude that the product is best for the mass? (Generally)
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Ahhh, a philosophical question
In my very humble opinion (relevant only to meee):
2 answers:
a) you can conclude what you want, as it's your conclusion (but no1 else's)
b) in only as much as you believe one, two or even a group can speak for the entire population all users.
Even with just the sales figures, even though iphone product range in mobile smartphone market has a much bigger share than samsung smartphones, I would not presume that ip4 is better for the masses. For to conclude of presumption is but a fools game
enough of my bs now
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what exactly makes the multitasking on the gs2 real and the multitasking on the iphone 4 fake? on android i thought all the devices you have to hold down the home button which pops up an apps list and go to another app just like you do on iphone
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what exactly makes the multitasking on the gs2 real and the multitasking on the iphone 4 fake? on android i thought all the devices you have to hold down the home button which pops up an apps list and go to another app just like you do on iphone
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That is correct for android - and that'll switch you like one does in windows.
With apple, SOME apps will multi-task but others with simply close down and restart when you open them. For example every time I go to re-open IM+ (after a few minutes of browsing/gaming etc) it will have to rebuild my session.
My calendar apps has to re-pull down my events. A few games have to reload.
(this all goes on on an iPad so it's not as if it's not meant to multi-task)
It could just be with my experiences of apps, but I've never had this problem with my phone.
Also i think that's the way the iPhone 4 achieves such a good battery life, because many of the apps are not actually running in the background, even thought they appear to be - not sure about that though.
Honestly? I just don't care about these ordeals anymore. Honestly I prefer the openness of android and hate itunes and having to screw with that whole deal to put media on my phone. I think that rejecting facts is frustrating on either end but tend to see this more on the iphone end in my personal experiences. I also think it is intelligent and obviously works, but the way apple exploits the less technically savvy people who buy a $40 fm radio adapter or car adapter that is apple specific compared to the $5 one that is generic and works with any media device : / there are some benefits and perhaps people either don't care. Or really want to 'accessorize' all their stuff to be apple-tastic. But i think some people are disappointingly exploited by this. Also name brand association has pissed me off. Graduated high school a few years back and hated hearing 'no listening to ipods' thinking i should be able to take out my sansa, (enter name of any pmp besides ipod here). And tell them screw off because they said simply no ipods assuming that would cover everything. But reliability is nice. They have stepped up their game with using decent hardware typically their hardware was far behind and charged 150% and still sold. But the iphone 4 was on par hardware wise with other phones and their ipads appear to be as well. But to each his own if anyone wants to spend their money on that that's their personal deal.
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Thank you starting to see the pic all over the web now.. haha
I'm looking to buy a Desire Z as a gift, and wanted to get some second opinions on the phone. Is the keyboard decent? What's the speed like? How sturdy is the keyboard hinge?
Also, is it fairly easy to root?
I've got an original Desire myself so if it's a roughly similar experience to that but with a keyboard then that'll be good.
Cheers
It's a great phone, 2nd Gen Snapdragon, Adreno 205 GPU...but it is also fairly late in it's life. The keyboard is great, and while people have differing opinions on the hinge, I haven't had any problems.
Just know that it doesn't hold a candle to the 1GB Ram/Dual Core beasts being released today.
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The hinge problem has been previously blown up, it is fine.
I couldn't imagine living and typing longer than an sms without a keyboard, I still love it and use it for longer input. If I was buying a phone now I probably could sacrifice the keyboard for a front camera or more CPU power or so. I could even buy a Desire S or a Sensation (just to be in this pricerange). Phones change quickly, quadband is here, I still love this phone.
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in my opinion its still a great phone... sure there are better ones out now rooting isn´t that easy, but not very hard too (if you know how to use adb, you are fine) If you are on 2.3+ it could happen that you need to create a goldcard while rooting...
...what rather concerns me right now is the fact that a lot of people seem to have a problem with a fried emmc chip.
here is a link to the wiki-guide for rooting (so you see how its done):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Vision
Thanks. Dual core and that isn't a concern, the intended owner is not really fussed about those kind of things, having a keyboard is more important, and I trust HTC as a brand.
Have ordered one now.
h0kum said:
Thanks. Dual core and that isn't a concern, the intended owner is not really fussed about those kind of things, having a keyboard is more important, and I trust HTC as a brand.
Have ordered one now.
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You won't regret it! Great phone with great devs taking care of it
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Like everyone said is great options is not a bad phone every 3d games or apps i like is here. U can use hulu plus and netflix. Adobe flash player 11.
Gameloft hd games
Glu hd games
And other what not to like about this phone? lol
does hd recording 720 p.
It have best keyboard after g1.
in my opinion its still a great phone... sure there are better ones out now
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I sure wish you could NAME a better phone that is out now!
Remember, it must have the reliability, style, and expensive feel of the G2, must have a great hardware (real) keyboard and beautiful gorilla glass screen like G2, and must be root/developer friendly, have removable battery, and it must provide wifi calling in my weak signal area and free tethering and portable wifi hotspot, and do all of this for US$60/month no-contract service with unlimited 4G everything and no overage charges possible like my G2!
what better one ya got that does all of that?
that's right - NOTHING!
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I sure wish you could NAME a better phone that is out now!
Remember, it must have the reliability, style, and expensive feel of the G2, must have a great hardware (real) keyboard and beautiful gorilla glass screen like G2, and must be root/developer friendly, have removable battery, and it must provide wifi calling in my weak signal area and free tethering and portable wifi hotspot, and do all of this for US$60/month no-contract service with unlimited 4G everything and no overage charges possible like my G2!
what better one ya got that does all of that?
that's right - NOTHING!
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An iPhone
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Ahah u can't be serious because the iphail contains none of the above..
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I concur, there is nothing else out there I could see me replacing it with at the moment. I need a hardware keyboard.. More ram and a faster CPU would be handy though... Refreshed DZ required
Great phone, and i will use this as long as it works. I'v had this about little over 11months now, no problems. Only thing is, screen has one frozen pixel in it, tough it's on the side, close to a corner so i barely even notice it, if i look for it, i can see it.
There is Motorola Droid 4 coming, sure looks nice whit that 5-row qwerty. If i would have waited a year longer to upgrade to smartphone world, id get it when it comes.
Now i'm planing on getting a tablet, to get the horsepower going on android. possibly transformer prime, or smth, wonder what CES brings to the table.
I love this phone! Sorry i got drifted to little off topic here.
I won't get another phone until there is a worthy successor. I would like to stick with HTC and I need a qwerty KB (well strongly prefer to have one) so here is hoping for a G3 sometime soon.
Until then though I still get great performance so no immediate rush.
There was also a Samsung qwerty slider I was reading about a while back, can't seem to find the article anymore.
Yea Samsung captivate glide, looks pretty good actually got a tegra 2 processor and 1gb ram... plus one of those beautiful Samsung screens
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Yea Samsung captivate glide, looks pretty good actually got a tegra 2 processor and 1gb ram... plus one of those beautiful Samsung screens
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yea this:
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spec: http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i927_captivate_glide-4071.php
look awesome tho. its like galaxy s2+keyboard
hopefully Q1 2012..
Dell Hancock.
Google it.
ewww iphone unless u want to be locked. Even with android without rooting u still will not be lock as you are with iphone.
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I agree with flinny if they can refresh desire z 2 aka htc t-mobile g3 with stock in usa. I would love to have front face camera,1gb of ram i hate using my mirror to video chat. Get amoled screen back like nexus one. Add the hardware 5 key rows they had on g1 to g3 .
Hopefully stop selling to many damn Htc phone their selling about 10-15 device every year i wish they can stay with 3-5. Limited their work because then they make users like me hack my phone to get update, that they should be doing themselves. Instead of making excuses on why they cant update 1 device to the other.
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Yea Samsung captivate glide, looks pretty good actually got a tegra 2 processor and 1gb ram... plus one of those beautiful Samsung screens
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Looked very interesting to me at first, but reviews have been far from stellar:
[URL="http://reviews.cnet.com/smartphones/samsung-captivate-glide-at/4505-6452_7-35033579.html?tag=mncol;rvwBody#reviewPage1"]http://techcrunch.com/2011/11/20/review-samsung-captivate-glide-att/[/URL]
Looks like cheap exterior build quality, and crappy flat keyboard. Nice screen, but hardware specs are merely ok compared to other high end phones currently being released. A Galaxy IIS spec phone with decent keyboard would be killer. But this ain't that.
Can't any manufacturers come out with a high-spec phone, with a decent keyboard?
I tried to like the Galaxy Note. I really did. However, the size is just to overpowering for me. Plus, I couldn't shake the fact that the GS3 has come out as a more feature-proof device.
When I first got the phone, I was in LOVE, LUST, whatever! However, pulling it out of my purse begin to feel like a chore and the noticeable lag was not something I felt I had to deal with on a $600.00 phone. Now, I know you say, well stall a new launcher/rom. But guys, these treats should ADD to a phone not mask faults/shortcomings.
I have to say, after hearing that the Note II may be a bigger size, I have to wonder what brave soul would carry it? Soon, will be putting Ipads up to our ears!
All in all, I want to say that I have enjoyed the Note forums and have learned soo much. Kudos, to those who LOVE their phones and I wish you a smooth free experience going forward.
P.S. Not looking for a fight, please don't start one. We are entitled to our opinions. That's what makes the world go round
Any Note owners considering the move to the GS3? I'd love to hear from you.
Im sad you feel like that but i guess its personal preference,
For me Ive adapted to the size, at first it was overwhelming but now it feels normal, All other phones feel miniature lol !!
Im also considering the SGS3, but not to replace my Note ! I have 2 lines with my provider and ones almost up, So I think I may get the S3 or hold out for the note2
that being said, Phones are getting bigger and bigger now, The HTC One X is big, Hell even the SGS3 is big !!
I dont make a lot of calls, and when i do i have my head phones / bluetooth headset in, So i rarely need to hold it to my ear.
I love my ''Phablet'' !!!
I could have bought an S3, but I chose the note instead. The S3 has a very slightly better camera sensor and two more cores on a slightly better CPU.
I see the Note's size as a plus, but that's entirely subjective. Both are great devices, and either will serve you well. Sometimes it takes a day or two to really know if you really like a device enough to keep it.
Today I asked a retailer if I could swap my SGN for S3.
I consider moving to S3 because of superbrick bug and screen issues.
But I'm still holding ..... isn't S3 another Samsung phone ?
Little confusion but I'll follow S3 forums and decide.
I was on the.original 5" bandwagon with the sell streak, I have had my note since November and I won't consider anything other than a note 2 for my next device.
There really is no going back from the.functionality of a 5" screen, for me at least.
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But guys, these treats should ADD to a phone not mask faults/shortcomings.
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You are not masking anything..bad choice of words.
Using a better ROM makes the phone faster and a lot smoother. There is no masking involved is all too real and proves that is not a hardware fault.
I do it with every phone and in the case of the NOTE. I am not changing unless it is for a NOTE 2 or similar.
Regards
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You are not masking anything..bad choice of words.
Using a better ROM makes the phone faster and a lot smoother. There is no masking involved is all too real and proves that is not a hardware fault.
I do it with every phone and in the case of the NOTE. I am not changing unless it is for a NOTE 2 or similar.
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^I agree with this guy.
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Ever heard of these little battery-powered race cars from some years ago?
You buy one, Car A, and it goes like say, just for the sake of an example, 20mph. You buy another one, Car B, and it goes for 15mph.
Then you get yourself some aftermarket parts - engines, wheels, or whatever, and modified both Car A and Car B and now you're sure they are both in their fastest. After doing that, Car A now goes at 30mph, while Car B goes at 40mph. Car B is faster now even if it was slower to begin with. It had more potential than Car A - but that won't be realized without some effort on your part. Also, it's also useful to note that the manufacturers of these two cars may be different from each other and may also not be expecting what you intend to do modify their cars as well.
Heck, why am I even using toy cars as a comparison? Should've went straight to phone comparisons and the text would've been much shorter. XD
Anyway, I'm assuming you have a Note. Try not to throw it away and just play with it. Maybe you'll find time to like it some day.
This is the best phone i ever had and i don`t feel the need to buy the Galaxy S3.
I`am not realy fond of touchwizz so i am running CM9, the phone is super fast, has no lags and does work as it is supposed to be.
I love the big screen for browsing, games, video`s and photo`s.
I will probably only change for the Note 2 :victory:
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You are not masking anything..bad choice of words.
Using a better ROM makes the phone faster and a lot smoother. There is no masking involved is all too real and proves that is not a hardware fault.
I do it with every phone and in the case of the NOTE. I am not changing unless it is for a NOTE 2 or similar.
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Difference of opinion. I stand by my original statement. I even upgraded to ICS and while it made some difference in smoothness, the results were negligible plus it added some problems.
Adding to my original post. I also think the Note is going to become the red-headed step-child now that the GS3 is out. May not be true, but that is my gut feeling. Besides, I bought my note, last week -- Technically, I'm already using outdated equipment. For those who are passed their return windows, the Note is great, but for those who still have time to AT LEAST play with the SG3, I would.
Loving the conversation
I love my Note, have a fantastic rom running on it and its lightning fast and perfect for everyday use. Plus it suits my massive hands down to the ground.
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The only my 1 BIG reason getting the Note is S-pen. It really saves my work days apart from other BIG cool features.
If the S-pen means a lots to you then all other smartphones, out there, are being nothing nowadays.
do you really need it?
I'm sensing that you don't need a Note or the S3.
The note is all about utility and function, not form or fashion.
Are you just uncomfortable with not having the latest?
Just how fast/smooth do you need it to be?
If UI speed is your main concern, you need Windows Phone 7.
Looks like you want a WP7 phone like a Lumia 900.
if u r afraid of roms or if think u r going 2 get something good 4 u as a seasoned droid guy
STOCK?
u r insane
what u get is a rom thats good 4 samsung or apple or whowevers biz strategy it happens 2 be
4 me the whole point of using andriod and supporting its accension is **** like xda & linux...the customization
ultimately this stuff is all based on winmo old school winmo & so much was pioneered here on this forum
we r pushing envelopes here
u should have copped an iphone
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11% more pixels and 100% more useful 16 x 10 1280 x 800 vs 720p.
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Difference of opinion. I stand by my original statement. I even upgraded to ICS and while it made some difference in smoothness, the results were negligible plus it added some problems.
Adding to my original post. I also think the Note is going to become the red-headed step-child now that the GS3 is out. May not be true, but that is my gut feeling. Besides, I bought my note, last week -- Technically, I'm already using outdated equipment. For those who are passed their return windows, the Note is great, but for those who still have time to AT LEAST play with the SG3, I would.
Loving the conversation
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Check my youtube channel , specially something like the Nova 3 running Smooth on NOTE video and tell me if it there difference is negligible.
I don't like my Note...
I love it
And the S3 won't change my mind!
Waiting for Note2
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Interesting discussion, and I'd like to post my opinion as well.
What clearly differentiates the Note from other phones is the size. And the pen. I almost forgot about the pen, as I hardly use it. For me, a Note would be equally fine if it came without the pen. Some will disagree here, as they have other usage requirements.
I deliberately chose the Note due to the screen size. I had iphone and other phones, and I use the phone frequently to watch movies and to browse the web during my frequent travels. Having used iphone and others previously, I got more and more depressed with the small screens. I can say that I appreciate the Note's larger screen and its great resultion. It makes these tasks simply more fun.
If someone performs tasks such as phone calls and SMS, the larger screen size does not benefit (much). So appreciation with the phone is releated to its use.
So I believe the phone serves people with certain specific requirements, and other features/functions are then simply less important.
Unfortunately for me, watching movies is somewhat affected by the bad screen gamma as reported at many several in the forum. But I still would not want to change back to a smaller size, as I am not much disturbed by it and I can live with the issue (also because my screen is by far not as bad as what some guys report here).
If I ever (have to) change the phone, I wish it would have the following characteristics:
1. Approx. same screen size, but certainly not smaller
2. No gamma issue / better gamma calibration
3. Better back camera (better sharpness, less distortion, better light sensitivity)
4. Provide root access out of the box (no jailbreak/rooting required)
5. Better battery life of Android OS (probably requires better software programming skills)
Performance-wise, I am totally happy with what I have now, and I am not requiring more CPU cores or higher frequency. My phone has been totally responsive all the time out of the box since November 2011.
I had GB 2.3.5, 2.3.6 and ICS 4.0.3, am now on Paranoid Android 0.4 as I totally disliked the email app in ICS. So the operating system still matters somewhat. So it is good to have a choice here.
The only time I feel that the Note is too big is when I am in "dangerous" zones in the city where people could snatch your phone anytime! I mean if you take out a smaller phone, it would probably go unnoticed at 60% of times, but with the Note out in your hands, this huge beast will surely attracts everyone's attention in 99% rate!
Otherwise, I never encountered any so called problems that many people are complaining about!
Some adapt to Note's size, some don't. Good thing is that we have a choice. I'm really against Apple-like "one size fits all" philosophy.
from a gamer's perspective i say : f*ck all other phones, the screen is just perfect for my taste.