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Evo is so much better than the Epic

I've had an Evo for about 6 months now and i've always loved this phone. However my evo broke and sprint offered to give me an epic 4g, so i said ok. After using it for about 4 days i missed my evo so much. This is why:
Cons:
Ecic doesn't have Android 2.2
Battery lasted about 8 hours on standby ( my evo lasts 28 hours )
Keyboard didn't always register when I hit keys
Screen is smaller
Power button is on the right of the phone so when you hold it in your hand you sometimes hit it with your fingers
Pros:
Screen is LED and looks amazing.
I would give up the LED screen any day for the Evo.

Yes I didn't like the epic either.
speedy0339 said:
I've had an Evo for about 6 months now and i've always loved this phone. However my evo broke and sprint offered to give me an epic 4g, so i said ok. After using it for about 4 days i missed my evo so much. This is why:
Cons:
Ecic doesn't have Android 2.2
Battery lasted about 8 hours on standby ( my evo lasts 28 hours )
Keyboard didn't always register when I hit keys
Screen is smaller
Power button is on the right of the phone so when you hold it in your hand you sometimes hit it with your fingers
Pros:
Screen is LED and looks amazing.
I would give up the LED screen any day for the Evo.
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The EVO you wish you had

speedy0339 said:
Pros:
Screen is LED and looks amazing.
I would give up the LED screen any day for the Evo.
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I prefer the Plasma screen on my EVO.
PS. My name is HondaCop and I approve this message.

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Epic user here...
My best friend has an EVO so I actually get a bit of time to compare them side by side... I agree with some of your comments.
Epic has much better support for various kinds of video formats... kind of a minor pro depending on how much you use video on your phone.
Epic is by far faster in anything 3d and in general it has felt smoother in every day use
Epic has Gorilla Glass. It just feels different in your hands and feels a little bit better to "swype" on.
Evo is well built... my epic is not. My screen is loose and it wobbles.
Evo is thinner (no keyboard) ... I hate my physical keyboard
Evo has a much better dev community
I honestly wish neither existed and we just had or a CDMA version of the SGS i-9000, or cdma Nexus S.
The Galaxy S hardware is slick and when it doesn't have a physical keyboard it's a really sweet profile. I really think a CDMA Nexus S would bridge the gap between the EVO and Epic and be a truly great phone for Sprint... too bad, so sad

Evo is so much better than the Epic
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Duh !!! frhdjd !

The EVO you wish you had
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I went back to the sprint store and changed it back out for an evo.
I also agree with you snowmanwithahat.
The epic seems faster even though it has 2.1 and the browser seems faster too, but it doesnt have flash and when loading a site with no flash, the evo and the epic load at the same time.
The evo feels better in your hand and the battery lasts alot longer

I had an Epic as a loaner while my Evo was being sent to HTC for repairs, and I hated the Epic. It's ONE pro, was that the screen was nice (but even that was a con when red or orange were on the screen and looked overly boosted).
Things I hated:
Going back to 2.1
GPS took forever to lock on
It locked up pretty regularly for a few seconds for no reason at all
I had less bars
The whole top of it felt wobbly, like the physical keyboard was trying to slide out.
It didn't play files through Rockplayer as well as the Evo does.
I love the looks of the Nexus S, and without Touchwiz, it's probably a whole different phone, but overall, my opinion of Samsung phones is still pretty low.

i wonder what phones going to win in a poll started in the evo section... hmmmmm

i love the EVO.. sammy sucks.
but of course your poll will be a little scewed .. bing in an EVO section.

Yeah I hate Samsung. They never push out updates and their phones always break. HTC for the win. I WILL NEVER GO BACK

And Samsung's support sucks.

Has anyone noticed that the Epic is WAY faster, even with 2.1 than our Evos running 2.3?
My brother has an Epic and the UI and browser is buttery-smooth. I wonder if that is because it uses hardware graphics acceleration in the UI, or because the CPU is so much better?
Either way, it's almost painful to use my Evo after using his epic

ScrapMaker said:
Has anyone noticed that the Epic is WAY faster, even with 2.1 than our Evos running 2.3?
My brother has an Epic and the UI and browser is buttery-smooth. I wonder if that is because it uses hardware graphics acceleration in the UI, or because the CPU is so much better?
Either way, it's almost painful to use my Evo after using his epic
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Android isn't fully HW accelerated but parts of it are. The Epic's GPU is significantly faster. For reference:
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the n1 has the same GPU as the EVO and the Nexus S has the same GPU as the Epic.

Award Tour said:
Android isn't fully HW accelerated but parts of it are. The Epic's GPU is significantly faster. For reference:
the n1 has the same GPU as the EVO and the Nexus S has the same GPU as the Epic.
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If the GUI isn't really hardware (GPU) accelerated, then what difference does it make? Did Samsung add some sort of GPU support to the GUI?

ScrapMaker said:
Has anyone noticed that the Epic is WAY faster, even with 2.1 than our Evos running 2.3?
My brother has an Epic and the UI and browser is buttery-smooth. I wonder if that is because it uses hardware graphics acceleration in the UI, or because the CPU is so much better?
Either way, it's almost painful to use my Evo after using his epic
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The processor is supposed to be better. Samasung is always at the top in hardware but always at the bottom in software. HTC is just perfect
A drop of Chuck Norris's semen was placed on Android OS. We now have CyanogenMod.

Crossrocker said:
The processor is supposed to be better. Samasung is always at the top in hardware but always at the bottom in software. HTC is just perfect
A drop of Chuck Norris's semen was placed on Android OS. We now have CyanogenMod.
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Hrm... Epic already has a build of CM7... I really wonder what makes the Evo so much better?

ScrapMaker said:
Hrm... Epic already has a build of CM7... I really wonder what makes the Evo so much better?
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Its HTC.
10/character

ScrapMaker said:
If the GUI isn't really hardware (GPU) accelerated, then what difference does it make? Did Samsung add some sort of GPU support to the GUI?
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Like I said, parts of Android are indeed HW accelerated and I'm not talking about Honeycomb. An Android team developer mentioned this a while back, although parts = not a lot. And I do think that Samsung added some things too, I remember reading about the browser being HW accelerated.

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Hrm... Epic already has a build of CM7... I really wonder what makes the Evo so much better?
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Well. Lots of things. You don't get the official update. This is BIG. In evo forums, some use sense(based on OTA'S) and some use cm7. Also, if you wanna talk about only the people that root their phones, evo has A CRAP LOAD more development going. Its ridiculous.
A drop of Chuck Norris's semen was placed on Android OS. We now have CyanogenMod.

G1 Successors..

So I have been casually been browsing around off and on for the past few months for a rocking follow up phone to the G1.. Don't get me wrong- I absolutely love my G1. Ask anyone who knows me, I love it and it loves me. Nothing like owning the original android, and plus its a stellar phone. I looove the keyboard, there isnt another like it other there. It's just I havent been able to settle on a great daily ROM that is extremely stable, with good battery life and is snappy.
So I thought I would share my findings in my conquests to find some phones that us G1 fanatics could buy once we decide to put down our heavenly G1's.
1. Obviously first off there is the "G2". A great phone I might actually get once I finally part ways with the G1.
I was browsing Tmobile's site today and found another sweet quasi-G1 phone that are yet to release!
2. The Tmobile Sidekick 4G looks like it might be the first sidekick whose execution follows through on a cool phone concept. The keyboard looks very spacious and much like the G1 and plus its got the whole flip screen idea which seems kinda neat to me.. http://sidekick.t-mobile.com/
Feel free everyone to add any comments or any other phones that you think might fulfill a g1 user's dreams for the a future phone..

It looks like G2 is a name used for different phones. Can you link a picture?
I think a good successor may be the HTC Vision, http://www.newphones.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/HTC-Vision-phone.jpg

Desire Z would be the real successor.

river-dragon said:
It looks like G2 is a name used for different phones. Can you link a picture?
I think a good successor may be the HTC Vision, http://www.newphones.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/HTC-Vision-phone.jpg
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Dang, that HTC Vision does indeed look pretty slick. The keyboard looks like and spacey; I hate the keyboards that are cramped..
Here is an image of the HTC/Tmobile G2. And official Site here Great Review of it Here; I think it looks amazing!!
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flyboyovyick said:
Desire Z would be the real successor.
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Hot dang, that Desire Z does look super sick!! Here is a link: http://www.htc.com/www/product/desirez/overview.html
In fact in just briefly look over it, I cant figure out how it is different from the G2- perhaps newer?

austriker27 said:
Hot dang, that Desire Z does look super sick!! Here is a link: http://www.htc.com/www/product/desirez/overview.html
In fact in just briefly look over it, I cant figure out how it is different from the G2- perhaps newer?
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It is not different except slightly with regard to the software on it. Also the compatible frequency set. If you're reading these forums, then the software it ships with doesn't matter to you to begin with.
BOTH are HTC VISION -- that is the real name of the hardware.
That samsung "sidekick" thing looks very similar in spec to the VISION. A couple of things to be aware of... samsung is known for poor quality "feel" (i.e., they feel cheap and plasticy), has had SEVERE problems with things like GPS.
Given the similarities in specs, you KNOW that the HTC VISION has been totally owned (you can take a brand new one from tmobile and run "gfree" on it and it instantly becomes full hardware and radio unlocked). The samsung is still an unknown quantity and a risk. Go with what is known. The VISION is an excellent phone and a worthy successor to the DREAM.
Note: I see that your carrier is ATT... you would be better off buying one from BELL CANADA than from tmobile because of frequency selection.

I thought the Tmobile G2 was the successor to the Tmobile G1. No debate? Lol

MacaroryMax said:
I thought the Tmobile G2 was the successor to the Tmobile G1. No debate? Lol
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haha, yea I guess 'officially' you are right..

dhkr: Yea I was reading reviews, and heard pretty much the same thing about the sidekick.. The sidekicks always kind of 'appealed' to me, but now I think I am moving on past the 'cool' phone stage and looking at phones that are function based/pro (ie the G2).
Actually I will be getting a new plan come may so I might go with another carrier- we will see.. Gosh I keep lusting over the G2; it looks like wicked! Although I just recently rerooted my G1 and cant get enough of it; the original android = AWESOME!
I was just kind of posting this more for people to get informed about possible phones they could buy after their g1; phones similar to the g1. (rather than a 'what should i buy?' thread).. thanks for the input!

Agreed...Sidekick looks great, but I have had a long experience of reliability with my HTC phones...it would be hard to go past the G2/Desire Z

I had been looking quite closely at these phones. At first I really liked the Desire Z. I wanted one just by looking at it. I wouldn't have gotten rid of the G1 very easily though.
I'm changing my trail of thought though. I'm starting to look ahead to the XPERIA Pro. (Can't post a link, can't edit the post until after 5 minutes... getting tired of these forum restrictions. :/) I think this would be my G1 successor... maybe. I don't think I could afford this when it is properly released here until it becomes an average phone that's not capable of the latest software demands, but I'd damn sure love one of those in silver right now!

Thanks for the input, and I would agree that the xerpia pro looks very nice. At first glance it seems like it might be a bit flimsy; gosh those htc phones just have such a pro/smooth look.
Here are a few links for the Xerpia Pro and photos .. (sucks about the forum restrictions chocolate columbo, just keep posting!)
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Looking spiffy but on first glance I might still prefer the G2.

Nobody wants the g2x? (Basically a stock Froyo version of the optimus 2x. Coming out on the 20th i believe.
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well, although that phone looks rad, it does not really match the features we g1 lovers like.. mainly an awesome physical keyboard. I think I prefer the G2's maker (htc) over g2x (low build quality LG).

Being a g1 owner atm I do appreciate having a physical keyboard over touchscreen typing,however I'm sick of having smaller screens just cuz I prefer the latter. I don't really see why everyone trips out on how big or thin/small the phone is, its like if the phone isn't a .01mm leaner then the last everyone bashes it and calls it a brick. Ffs I love my fat g1 with extended 2300mah/bigger back cover to boot, I've never dropped it and its always comfortable holding it to type novels like this one or even play emulators on. I guess my main gripe is why nobody has yet to make an 4.3 inch slide out qwerty phone(closest being the epic,but samsung is fail!) My next phone will be the g2x I'm sick of waiting for my dream phone and hearing that cyanogen tweeted g2x is his next personal phone its really a no brainer for anyone that enjoys a stock android experience with tons of mods to come. To hell with the physical keyboard,G2x here I come!
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d12unk13astard said:
I don't really see why everyone trips out on how big or thin/small the phone is, its like if the phone isn't a .01mm leaner then the last everyone bashes it and calls it a brick
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I completely agree- it is very annoying to hear people bash the g1 without even trying it out. So once we have a type-off I can completely dominate them. People need to stop being so obsessed with the size/thickness of a phone. Please people, build quality, and functionality is way more important.
As far as screen size, yea sometimes the smallness of the g1 bothers me. I am stoked to upgrade to a g2 soon though because its a wee bit bigger of a screen

I've adapted to those comments. As you well know, even as big as it is considered, the practicality of the G1 will still outweigh a large majority of phones being made now.
As much as I love it, it is an old phone and it does show. People are going to be more impressed by weight, immediate GUI interface and screen size than much else.

I've had my G1 for a little over two years now. I could've upgraded back in December but that was a very slow time for phone releases. All the fastest phones had been out a while and nothing good had been announced for the near future. As soon as I found out they were releasing the G2X I knew what phone I was going to buy. I loved the G1 for it's stock UI, the keyboard, trackball, and all the dev support it got/gets. I have been feeling that the G1 is not enough for me anymore with it's dated hardware and (sorry for bringing up size) relatively large size compared to current phones. This thing just looks like a dinosaur and feels like I'm riding a bicycle when everyone's driving Corvettes. I'm very picky about what I want in a phone now and honestly the only thing I think the G2x is missing for my own taste is a track ball/pad. But considering I'm going to a 4" screen from a 3.2" I know I won't have a problem. Also, I'm an Nvidia fanboy .

Yes, good point about the trackball. I looooove my trackball, it makes scrolling so painless. But I agree that its hardware is very much dinosauresque which is why I am looking to upgrade.

I think the G2 is one of the best bets... the only problem I have with it is how old the tech is considering duel-core phones are cutting edge now.
For me... I'm thinking of the HTC Sensation.

[Poll] Anyone switching to G2x?

I'm strongly thinking about it as it is very tempting! Stock Android (soon to get CM7 which I'm currently using on my N1), bigger screen, dual-core, and HDMI-out (mirroring too). What do you guys think?

Went to Tmobile store today and played with one. It felt solid and seemed to perform fast around the launcher & home screens. But it just didn't feel that much different than my N1 and I don't like the large soft button space at the bottom. I'm holding out for the Pyramid now rumored to be here June 8th.

The Pyramid/Sensation looks absolutely amazing in terms of hardware; can't deny that. But HTC going the locked-bootloader route worries me. And the fact that Cyanogen himself bought a G2x makes it even more awesome. I love my N1 but I think I'm definitely going for a G2x, Sensation, or Galaxy S II this year.

Are you guys experience slow down on your n1? Cuz I am. My quadrant score on 6.1 was high running at 1113 MHz. Now its on cm7 stable release and the highest it can get is 1398. To back that up, sense preview isn't smooth anymore. Any idea?
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Paul22000 said:
The Pyramid/Sensation looks absolutely amazing in terms of hardware; can't deny that. But HTC going the locked-bootloader route worries me. And the fact that Cyanogen himself bought a G2x makes it even more awesome. I love my N1 but I think I'm definitely going for a G2x, Sensation, or Galaxy S II this year.
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Agree, one of those 3 should be a super upgrade this year for me as well...

Switched today ..this phone is a great update

G2X seems to be cool,but I just ran out of money
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I'm most likely going to wait for the Pyramid/Sensation. Love HTC and that phone seems to be the first all-round upgrade to the N1. Gorilla glass, great display + GPU power to drive it, plenty of RAM + storage (compared to my N1!), good looks; only thing it's missing is the trackball LED. Why has everyone dropped the idea of a repeating notification system? I don't care about the trackball, but the light is very useful in meetings.

garyo said:
... I don't care about the trackball, but the light is very useful in meetings.
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I even care about the trackball..moving cursor is so simple with it..I honestly miss the trackball!

I've switched to the OX2, seems worthy:

I'd consider the G2X if the 850 band was confirmed (? maybe it is/isn't, haven't checked in a day or two)
Currently, I'm happy with my phones, but I have a upgrade coming from AT&T in June and I suspect I will use it on a Galaxy S II (that is, if it's out on AT&T by then). This will be the first time in a while I've gotten to take advantage of an upgrade.
Edit: looks like no 850

I'm still holding out for the HTC Pyramid/Sensation ... I can live with the new HTC Sense for a few months before rooting the phone. Then when I root it it will be 1. like a new phone and 2. quite a bit faster. Kinda like a mini-upgrade to an upgraded phone!

You're assuming you'll be able to get round the locked bootloader though.

Rusty! said:
You're assuming you'll be able to get round the locked bootloader though.
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He's an over achiever that's why lol: )
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garyo said:
only thing it's missing is the trackball LED. Why has everyone dropped the idea of a repeating notification system? I don't care about the trackball, but the light is very useful in meetings.
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A) Because none of the phones coming out have multi-colored trackballs/trackpads. Actually, I don't think any other Android phone world-wide has a way to display multi-colored notifications. It looks like all manufacturers have dropped support for trackballs/trackpads in general (along with Google since they added the text selection features in Gingerbread). It's an amazing feature on the N1, but it's the first (and probably the last) phone to have it.
B) But it doesn't matter because XDA members have found alternate methods of notifications (ie using the backlight on the buttons, or a few pixels on the screen, etc)

The HTC Dream, G1, had a multi-colored notification light that wasn't implanted inside the trackball. And it was awesome. It can't be that hard to bring that tiny little multi-colored LED back, but apparently no one really cares. Cause it would still be in HTC phones today. Or I guess it could have been removed for aesthetics.
I honestly don't know why the G2X doesn't interest me. It is incredibly fast, it runs stock Android (which I don't like), and it is on my carrier. But this device simply doesn't manage to spark my interest. I guess compared to other device coming out this year it simply isn't that impressive. The Tegra 2 found in the device isn't that great in comparison to the Adreno 220 found in the HTC Sensation and Exynos found the Galaxy S2, it also has a sub-par screen and an unnecessarily large bezel.
The only reason for me to get this device would be the developer support, but then again, even if Cyanogen himself doesn't have a device doesn't mean it won't be graced with CyanogenMod. Ehhh, I'm pretty sure I'll be skipping this. However iff it is the only thing good on T-Mobile when my contract is up I might have to get it.

Eclair~ said:
it also has a sub-par screen
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Explain?!
It's an IPS LCD as used in the iPhone 4.

Eclair~ said:
The Tegra 2 found in the device isn't that great in comparison to the Adreno 220
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Actually, quite the opposite. The 220 is just barely, barely faster, and in some cases (3D) the 2X pulls ahead. Check out these benchmarks from Anandtech (and note: these are for a 1.5 GHz Adreno 220 whereas the Sensation will be 1.2 GHz):
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4243/...mance-1-5-ghz-msm8660-adreno-220-benchmarks/3
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(The above 1.5 GHz test device is also not battery optimized at all, so performance may be even lower once HTC tweaks the real 1.2 GHz device to take that into account.)
Either way, it's at least a 200-300% improvement over the N1. I'd love to buy a G2x but will if and only if my N1 sells well on eBay (will list it this weekend, any takers? )

Rusty! said:
Explain?!
It's an IPS LCD as used in the iPhone 4.
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Having an IPS screen has barely anything to do with color reproduction, it more so benefits viewing angles. Which aren't even a problem with AMOLED, Super AMOLED, or Super LCD as is. The IPS LCD screen compared to those listed above is only decent. Washed out compared to the others with blacks that can't even compare to AMOLED.
SAMOLED - SLCD - IPS LCD
And this is before Super AMOLED Plus~
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Actually, quite the opposite. The 220 is just barely, barely faster, and in some cases (3D) the 2X pulls ahead. Check out these benchmarks from Anandtech (and note: these are for a 1.5 GHz Adreno 220 whereas the Sensation will be 1.2 GHz):
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4243/...mance-1-5-ghz-msm8660-adreno-220-benchmarks/3
(The above 1.5 GHz test device is also not battery optimized at all, so performance may be even lower once HTC tweaks the real 1.2 GHz device to take that into account.)
Either way, it's at least a 200-300% improvement over the N1. I'd love to buy a G2x but will if and only if my N1 sells well on eBay (will list it this weekend, any takers? )
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Yes... and you posted the only result that put the Tegra above the Adreno 220. In all others, it clearly came out ahead. Though that 1.5GHz clock might really account for those differences. I doubt even underclocked to 1.2GHz would it make the Adreno 220 less powerful than the Tegra 2, but who am I to say?

1) Need an AT&T 3G compatible device
2) Strongly prefer a stock Android device that receives its updates from Google.
The Nexus One is the only device out that fulfills both of my requirements.
I wouldn't mind a Nexus S if the AT&T band version ever comes out :-\

Opinions on HTC Desire Z/G2

I'm looking to buy a Desire Z as a gift, and wanted to get some second opinions on the phone. Is the keyboard decent? What's the speed like? How sturdy is the keyboard hinge?
Also, is it fairly easy to root?
I've got an original Desire myself so if it's a roughly similar experience to that but with a keyboard then that'll be good.
Cheers

It's a great phone, 2nd Gen Snapdragon, Adreno 205 GPU...but it is also fairly late in it's life. The keyboard is great, and while people have differing opinions on the hinge, I haven't had any problems.
Just know that it doesn't hold a candle to the 1GB Ram/Dual Core beasts being released today.
Sent from my T-mobile G2 using Tapatalk

The hinge problem has been previously blown up, it is fine.
I couldn't imagine living and typing longer than an sms without a keyboard, I still love it and use it for longer input. If I was buying a phone now I probably could sacrifice the keyboard for a front camera or more CPU power or so. I could even buy a Desire S or a Sensation (just to be in this pricerange). Phones change quickly, quadband is here, I still love this phone.
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in my opinion its still a great phone... sure there are better ones out now rooting isn´t that easy, but not very hard too (if you know how to use adb, you are fine) If you are on 2.3+ it could happen that you need to create a goldcard while rooting...
...what rather concerns me right now is the fact that a lot of people seem to have a problem with a fried emmc chip.
here is a link to the wiki-guide for rooting (so you see how its done):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Vision

Thanks. Dual core and that isn't a concern, the intended owner is not really fussed about those kind of things, having a keyboard is more important, and I trust HTC as a brand.
Have ordered one now.

h0kum said:
Thanks. Dual core and that isn't a concern, the intended owner is not really fussed about those kind of things, having a keyboard is more important, and I trust HTC as a brand.
Have ordered one now.
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You won't regret it! Great phone with great devs taking care of it
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Like everyone said is great options is not a bad phone every 3d games or apps i like is here. U can use hulu plus and netflix. Adobe flash player 11.
Gameloft hd games
Glu hd games
And other what not to like about this phone? lol
does hd recording 720 p.
It have best keyboard after g1.

in my opinion its still a great phone... sure there are better ones out now
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I sure wish you could NAME a better phone that is out now!
Remember, it must have the reliability, style, and expensive feel of the G2, must have a great hardware (real) keyboard and beautiful gorilla glass screen like G2, and must be root/developer friendly, have removable battery, and it must provide wifi calling in my weak signal area and free tethering and portable wifi hotspot, and do all of this for US$60/month no-contract service with unlimited 4G everything and no overage charges possible like my G2!
what better one ya got that does all of that?
that's right - NOTHING!

WTF? said:
I sure wish you could NAME a better phone that is out now!
Remember, it must have the reliability, style, and expensive feel of the G2, must have a great hardware (real) keyboard and beautiful gorilla glass screen like G2, and must be root/developer friendly, have removable battery, and it must provide wifi calling in my weak signal area and free tethering and portable wifi hotspot, and do all of this for US$60/month no-contract service with unlimited 4G everything and no overage charges possible like my G2!
what better one ya got that does all of that?
that's right - NOTHING!
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Ahah u can't be serious because the iphail contains none of the above..
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I concur, there is nothing else out there I could see me replacing it with at the moment. I need a hardware keyboard.. More ram and a faster CPU would be handy though... Refreshed DZ required

Great phone, and i will use this as long as it works. I'v had this about little over 11months now, no problems. Only thing is, screen has one frozen pixel in it, tough it's on the side, close to a corner so i barely even notice it, if i look for it, i can see it.
There is Motorola Droid 4 coming, sure looks nice whit that 5-row qwerty. If i would have waited a year longer to upgrade to smartphone world, id get it when it comes.
Now i'm planing on getting a tablet, to get the horsepower going on android. possibly transformer prime, or smth, wonder what CES brings to the table.
I love this phone! Sorry i got drifted to little off topic here.

I won't get another phone until there is a worthy successor. I would like to stick with HTC and I need a qwerty KB (well strongly prefer to have one) so here is hoping for a G3 sometime soon.
Until then though I still get great performance so no immediate rush.

There was also a Samsung qwerty slider I was reading about a while back, can't seem to find the article anymore.

Yea Samsung captivate glide, looks pretty good actually got a tegra 2 processor and 1gb ram... plus one of those beautiful Samsung screens

fredcorp6 said:
Yea Samsung captivate glide, looks pretty good actually got a tegra 2 processor and 1gb ram... plus one of those beautiful Samsung screens
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spec: http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i927_captivate_glide-4071.php
look awesome tho. its like galaxy s2+keyboard

hopefully Q1 2012..
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ewww iphone unless u want to be locked. Even with android without rooting u still will not be lock as you are with iphone.
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I agree with flinny if they can refresh desire z 2 aka htc t-mobile g3 with stock in usa. I would love to have front face camera,1gb of ram i hate using my mirror to video chat. Get amoled screen back like nexus one. Add the hardware 5 key rows they had on g1 to g3 .
Hopefully stop selling to many damn Htc phone their selling about 10-15 device every year i wish they can stay with 3-5. Limited their work because then they make users like me hack my phone to get update, that they should be doing themselves. Instead of making excuses on why they cant update 1 device to the other.

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Yea Samsung captivate glide, looks pretty good actually got a tegra 2 processor and 1gb ram... plus one of those beautiful Samsung screens
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Looked very interesting to me at first, but reviews have been far from stellar:
[URL="http://reviews.cnet.com/smartphones/samsung-captivate-glide-at/4505-6452_7-35033579.html?tag=mncol;rvwBody#reviewPage1"]http://techcrunch.com/2011/11/20/review-samsung-captivate-glide-att/[/URL]
Looks like cheap exterior build quality, and crappy flat keyboard. Nice screen, but hardware specs are merely ok compared to other high end phones currently being released. A Galaxy IIS spec phone with decent keyboard would be killer. But this ain't that.
Can't any manufacturers come out with a high-spec phone, with a decent keyboard?

Finally, a NEW Android phone with a QWERTY!

I'm one of those few people who prefer physical keyboards. I have a DROID-4. Was really sad when those "leaks" of the DROID-5 turned out to be fake.
I think this device would be a good upgrade. I feel the only reason we're getting a keyboard on this Android phone is because it's being manufactured by Blackberry, and the QWERTY is one of their quintessential features. I doubt we'll ever get any new QWERTY Android phones from other manufacturers.
Although I've never liked "portrait" style keyboards, for some reason it seems to suit this device. And the specs are really good. I hope it runs Android M.
Here's a hands-on video I watched of the device: https://youtube.com/watch?v=uJ6Yvp7-z3E - Looks pretty sweet.

Absolutely, can't wait for this device to be available.
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I'm one of those few people who prefer physical keyboards. I have a DROID-4. Was really sad when those "leaks" of the DROID-5 turned out to be fake.
I think this device would be a good upgrade. I feel the only reason we're getting a keyboard on this Android phone is because it's being manufactured by Blackberry, and the QWERTY is one of their quintessential features. I doubt we'll ever get any new QWERTY Android phones from other manufacturers.
Although I've never liked "portrait" style keyboards, for some reason it seems to suit this device. And the specs are really good. I hope it runs Android M.
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Day 1 purchase for me. My Relay is ready to be retired. I wonder how many QWERTY faithful are planning on getting the Priv? BB has/ will have a monopoly on the android keyboard crowd, so this has the potential to be a very successful product.

I thought I was the only one who really missed having a keyboard. There was a time I wouldn't buy a phone unless it had a physical keyboard. Never owned a Blackberry, only carried one for work at times. But I never liked the BB OS/Interface because back then I was coming from Windows Mobile. I feel like original Droid was the last of the Android keyboard phones.
This BB could be a big hit. It seems as though they didn't cut corners on specs it also seems as though they made an effort to keep it thin. I'm sold but I won't sacrifice performance (specs) just to have a keyboard, and I don't want some thick clunky device either. That said...I hate phablets...they're too big for me. I already have a tablet, surface pro 4, and Razer notebook. I want my phone to be no larger than 5.1 - 5.2 in screen wise. They seemed to have checked that box as well. If the specs line up Snapdragon 808 - 810, 3GB Ram, 5.1 in display etc. The only thing they're missing is a better looking shell. I know BB is business-oriented, utilitarian-style, but damn BB you're bring out a device that needs to have mass appeal not just to business users but consumers. Hell your days of companies having BES severs are long gone. Corporate America isn't going to say...excellent BlackBerry is back. All new devices will be BlackBerry's that we assign instead of iPhones. Just like Windows Phone...too little too late. BB will never be the BB they used to be. So go ahead and start appealing to average consumers. Come out with killer phones try to compete with Samsung. Make a sexier looking Priv.
Does it look boring? Yes. My previous Copper Z3 and current Platinum Gold S6 Edge will run circles around it. I just hope the battery life is better than the S6 Edge, and the camera is at LEAST just as good. The S6 camera is amazing (but battery life blows). Z3 (amazing battery life, garbage camera).

My guess:
Camera will be adequate, not S6 good, but usable.
Battery life will be decent, and get better after a few months (blackberry hasn't made an android phone, so the battery life may not be optimized at first. If it sells well they may put enough resources into it to make it better)
The stand out takes will be the keyboard, and the integration with Blackberry devices (BBM, hub, enterprise).
The phone will do well, if they have good specs and market the phone correctly.
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Thanks for information.

The screen size is 5.5" and the battery has been said to have a capacity of 3,400 to 3,650 mAh.
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BTW- The Priv is pretty sleek. A guy on Reddit said he got to try it out and he says it's THINNER than his Note 5, which is 7.6mm thick. And for comparison, the new iPhone is 7.3mm thick.
At a conference I was at today, one of BlackBerry's executives had a 'Priv' which he let me play with for a bit. I must admit, it's a VERY nice device. It was actually thinner than my Note 5! It also seemed snappy and smooth, and the keyboard was also very nice. It had full access to the Play store as you would expect, and he had a few apps loaded. The screen was very nice with a high PPI, and it seemed to curvey around the edges. I have to say that I'm definitely interested in Blackberry again!
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https://reddit.com/r/Android/comments/3o0khy/i_got_a_chance_to_play_with_the_priv_my/

Rumoured pricing, $3999 RMB in China.
http://weibo.com/3889211823/CECSseD...1823_profile&wvr=6&mod=weibotime&type=comment
Straight up currency conversion gives $630 USD, $815 CAD. However, LG G4 was launched at the same price in China, and it launched in Canada at $700 CAD, US at $600, so I'm not sure.
If there's a bundle deal during Black Friday or drops down to $599 CAD (even better if there's a pricing error again like the Passport), I might pull the trigger.

There are new photo samples of the pre-leased software. Check out: http://crackberry.com/latest-priv-b...=slider&utm_campaign=navigation&utm_source=cb

Thanks for the pics. Very interesting phone!

Amazing idea, we've been waiting for something like that since the old xperia pro. it's been really a long time.

looks good, i hope they use strong flexible ribbon for the keyboard

First official video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nO8EdLtJj0&feature=youtu.be

Cyber-Logic said:
I'm one of those few people who prefer physical keyboards. I have a DROID-4. Was really sad when those "leaks" of the DROID-5 turned out to be fake.
I think this device would be a good upgrade. I feel the only reason we're getting a keyboard on this Android phone is because it's being manufactured by Blackberry, and the QWERTY is one of their quintessential features. I doubt we'll ever get any new QWERTY Android phones from other manufacturers.
Although I've never liked "portrait" style keyboards, for some reason it seems to suit this device. And the specs are really good. I hope it runs Android M.
Here's a hands-on video I watched of the device: https://youtube.com/watch?v=uJ6Yvp7-z3E - Looks pretty sweet.
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Not only just a keyboard, the BEST keyboard the industry can offer. I'm so excited for this phone.

han31sc said:
Not only just a keyboard, the BEST keyboard the industry can offer. I'm so excited for this phone.
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I always HATED their keyboards. They are lined up wrong, and their shape makes it hard to tell by feel just *which* key you have your thumb on. Anyway, that's my feel of it from every time somebody handed me one to punch in my email address.

doitright said:
I always HATED their keyboards. They are lined up wrong, and their shape makes it hard to tell by feel just *which* key you have your thumb on. Anyway, that's my feel of it from every time somebody handed me one to punch in my email address.
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The only thing about the physical keyboard is that there are two different keyboards. If I was to adjust to the onboard virtual keyboard and its layout, I feel like that would mess me up with the physical keyboard's layout. Not sure how this will affect me/anyone using this phone.

han31sc said:
The only thing about the physical keyboard is that there are two different keyboards. If I was to adjust to the onboard virtual keyboard and its layout, I feel like that would mess me up with the physical keyboard's layout. Not sure how this will affect me/anyone using this phone.
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Well I use with my index & middle fingers when touch typing while I use my things with the physical keyboard so I don't run into the same problems
I can't wait to have both Swype & an authentic BlackBerry physical & virtual keyboard on one device. Ultimate efficient typing for all occasions

Cyber-Logic said:
I'm one of those few people who prefer physical keyboards. I have a DROID-4. Was really sad when those "leaks" of the DROID-5 turned out to be fake.
I think this device would be a good upgrade. I feel the only reason we're getting a keyboard on this Android phone is because it's being manufactured by Blackberry, and the QWERTY is one of their quintessential features. I doubt we'll ever get any new QWERTY Android phones from other manufacturers.
Although I've never liked "portrait" style keyboards, for some reason it seems to suit this device. And the specs are really good. I hope it runs Android M.
Here's a hands-on video I watched of the device: https://youtube.com/watch?v=uJ6Yvp7-z3E - Looks pretty sweet.
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I can tell you that I have waited for this device the day my BB Torch finally broke after many years if faithful service.
It's been a LONG road but I'm glad to say the wait is finally almost over!

pre ordered. couldn't say no to a keyboard, missed my torch keyboard every day since i had Galaxy s3 and s5

Cyber-Logic said:
BTW- The Priv is pretty sleek. A guy on Reddit said he got to try it out and he says it's THINNER than his Note 5, which is 7.6mm thick. And for comparison, the new iPhone is 7.3mm thick.
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Maybe he meant width. Multiple sites are listing the Priv at 9.4 mm thick which seems more believable than sub-7.6 mm.