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[Q] Will the 2.1 update give dev's a better chance at rooting?

Sorry if this has been asked elsewhere, but I'm wondering if the 2.1 release will allow devs a better chance at effectively getting the X10 fully rooted? Ie: will they be able to see what changes the update is doing and use that to hopefully get us to 2.2?

Man, the most important thing is NOT to root (it is! rooted) the phone, but to crack the bootloader!
Once the loader gets cracked you won't want to root anymore cuz you probably simply use a (pre-rooted) custom ROM.
But IF SE changes anything about the bootloader it will probably be even harder than now to crack it... :-(
Hope the devs will get it one day...!!!
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Sony ericsson seem to have really made this thing hard to crack. I really hope it does get cracked though. Custom roms are exciting!
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PookyPooka said:
Sony ericsson seem to have really made this thing hard to crack. I really hope it does get cracked though. Custom roms are exciting!
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Either that or SE will not servive in this competition of handset. my fuse is getting hot and beginning to look at samsung.

PookyPooka said:
Sony ericsson seem to have really made this thing hard to crack. I really hope it does get cracked though. Custom roms are exciting!
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Problem is, not many people have X10 so, not enough devs for good brainstorming.
With less people involved, development is slow compared with other smartphones.

PStephan88 said:
Man, the most important thing is NOT to root (it is! rooted) the phone, but to crack the bootloader!
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Err I guess thats what I meant. Will we be able to easily crack the bootloader using the update coming out (hopefully this year?)

Can you discuss 2.1 in the existing 2.1 thread

Bootloader almost bypassed

Okay the bootloader hasn't been cracked but don't let that get you down because the great Dev's have been working on it and now there may even be a workaround.
Bin4ry has managed to get his own kernel to load with custom image included, and although at this early stage the touchscreen and usb don't work this is definitely 1 big step closer to opening up our beloved x10's
Update - custom kernal has been loaded and touch screens working, confirming the workaround
I changed the title to better reflect what's been done
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Wow, although I can't believe what I am reading if that is true...wow great news and thank you devs for your hard work
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good luck to our saviours =)

"almost" is such a big thing... maybe there are some other problems coming, when TS and USB are fixed...
i hope i'm wrong
PS: don't forget bin4ry as VERY good dev i would say one of the best! he wrote that he wants to buy a newer phoneto play around but we won't forget him and his work
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Wow this is awesome to hear!!!! I'm really excited to see how this unfolds

I believe that the bootloader is crashed out at some level, then the custom kernel is loaded, so it's more of a workaround but should offer the same end.
And definitely big thanks to All the Dev's that have kept working on solutions...
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Hola
this is really good news to hear after almost of year of our dev team hacking away at this monster.
I do hope that Bin4ry will not get that new phone too soon

Moved as not android development

And way start this thread? If binr4y have news he can let us know? This thread is useless, and the information you provide us is already in the bootloader Dev thread.
Sorry don't mean to disrespect you in any way but this thread is for me spam..
Best regards
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Hey don't want to step on anyone's toes, but I Really think this is news for us x10 users. I felt that my post might inspire some people to hang on to there x10's. As for this being spam, no its not as the news is in the Dev's only forum while this is for general public, plus I don't think it's doing harm.
If Bin4ry has issues with including his breakthrough then I'm sure it will be deleted
PS, i Don't find it useless, not everyone reads the bootloader thread, so I think this may be very interesting
Best regards
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i'm happy with the news but it's kind of sad to read how just a little step after all these months make us all excited;when i just read last night that the htc thunderbolt bootloader was cracked after 2 or 4 days of its released.
i will support all the effort the dev and you ppl put into this but so disappointed wwith the way sony works,much like apple in my point of view.Is not bad coz they protect their products or intelectual whatever its call,but isn't the whole point of android os to be completly custumisible? if sony doesnt want us to do that or if in the near future the bootloadre is cracked,would they sue the dev?
why they don't create their own iphone then?
so disapointed,after using sony cellphones the last 6 yrs,this is the last for a while i think for me.but im so grateful for all the work and support of the dev and members.peace.

Im kinda on the fence with this post....but i have to lean towards the next "bootloader" post should only come when/if its cracked.
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karlos77x said:
i'm happy with the news but it's kind of sad to read how just a little step after all these months make us all excited
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There's never been a phone with such a secure protection, and if this phone has an exploit then chances are new model's won't. This news though not complete is the closest the Dev's have come to finding a workable exploit. And what Bin4ry has done is show that we can have custom kernel's, this is a win in my eyes

karlos77x said:
i'm happy with the news but it's kind of sad to read how just a little step after all these months make us all excited;when i just read last night that the htc thunderbolt bootloader was cracked after 2 or 4 days of its released.
i will support all the effort the dev and you ppl put into this but so disappointed wwith the way sony works,much like apple in my point of view.Is not bad coz they protect their products or intelectual whatever its call,but isn't the whole point of android os to be completly custumisible? if sony doesnt want us to do that or if in the near future the bootloadre is cracked,would they sue the dev?
why they don't create their own iphone then?
so disapointed,after using sony cellphones the last 6 yrs,this is the last for a while i think for me.but im so grateful for all the work and support of the dev and members.peace.
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I wouldn't worry about the Thunderbolt, I'm sure the devs over at the Atrix forums are having a harder time than us.

This sounds to good to be true.
It would be awesome!

Touchscreen working in the latest Kexec kit from bin4ry I guess thats closest to getting the bootloader hacked Though it seems temporary for now

omnikam said:
And what Bin4ry has done is show that we can have custom kernel's, this is a win in my eyes
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Yeah, that's great.
Hopefully we'll have custom kernels with removed 32fps cap and oc soon.
Then my X10 would be perfect @ 2.1, 1.2GHz and super smooth, because of the removed cap

Khimera said:
I guess thats closest to getting the bootloader hacked
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It is NOT hacking the bootloader it is just ignoring it... Like doing a side loading of the Kernel. Unfortunately if you reboot your phone the phone will boot as normal with Original SE files....
Never the less it is great news, if he can get a script to start the kexec tool in every reboot the bootloader will be totally ignored and we can load the custom kernels.
Jim

Flo95 said:
Yeah, that's great.
Hopefully we'll have custom kernels with removed 32fps cap and oc soon.
Then my X10 would be perfect @ 2.1, 1.2GHz and super smooth, because of the removed cap
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Why not 2.3 ?

jimbo77 said:
It is NOT hacking the bootloader it is just ignoring it... Like doing a side loading of the Kernel. Unfortunately if you reboot your phone the phone will boot as normal with Original SE files....
Never the less it is great news, if he can get a script to start the kexec tool in every reboot the bootloader will be totally ignored and we can load the custom kernels.
Jim
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I understand that man, thats why i said closest to getting the bootloader hacked

Possible bootloader unlock method!

I read on other forum...on Xperia X10 they finnaly got it
The bootloader has been bypassed using the kexec/miniloader method
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=12578251&postcount=849
[bootloader bypass guide and report thread][alfa release only!!!!][april 1rst]
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=12637163#post12637163
can anyone try the same method?

I'm hesitant of anything posted on April 1st, regardless of source! But I hope this works for the Atrix.

knigitz said:
I'm hesitant of anything posted on April 1st, regardless of source! But I hope this works for the Atrix.
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This is confirmed working guys.
See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDh4psrbb3c

YEAH, its true, many people have try...see the post reply after day 1 and video
soo, please, I think this can break the bootloader of our atrix, but I don't have acknolegement to do that

I assume Atrix has different type of bootloader than SE X10a
May try after final exam

ytwytw said:
I assume Atrix has different type of bootloader than SE X10a
May try after final exam
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You can't just run their script and make it work that way, their exploit would have to be ported to the Atrix.

Hope this works, may I remind any dev that the is a huge bounty for this.
Sent from Motorola Atrix on TELUS.

Maybe you should change your title to...
"Possible bootloader unlock method"
it would get more attention.

+1. Would bring much more positive attention to the thread.
RacecarBMW said:
Maybe you should change your title to...
"Possible bootloader unlock method"
it would get more attention.
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jeremyritzmann said:
+1. Would bring much more positive attention to the thread.
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And all the naysayers and impatient fools too, unfortunately. I just read this also, if it could be ported it may be a promising lead. I'm off to do a bit more digging

WOOOOOOO! thanx for posting this, hopefully this works, let's crack this bootloader and make these Atrix haters mad!

I consider that sugestion
also I will try use that method to crash bootloder....I have some help from my teacher xD...
RacecarBMW said:
Maybe you should change your title to...
"Possible bootloader unlock method"
it would get more attention.
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G1-8701 said:
WOOOOOOO! thanx for posting this, hopefully this works, let's crack this bootloader and make these Atrix haters mad!
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theres no such thing as atrix haters , theres moto haters , I been a moto fan since the startac , truth is motorola has spit in our face since the days of EZX phone where they would always find a way to circumvent gpl , I wish I could have an atrix , but as long as its locked , not gnna happen , fool me once shame on you , fool me twice shame on me , I am very tempted but I wont jump in just yet , I heard Tegra is much less secure then omap so theres your chance but it be a good month or 3 or 4 before anything happens to that bootloader , thinking otherwise woudl be greatly under estimating Motorola ...

DAGr8 said:
fool me once shame on you , fool me twice shame on you
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Lol you might wanna correct that...
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ceo.mtcl said:
Lol you might wanna correct that...
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Maybe he means... "fool me once, shame on (pause) you. You fool me you can't get fooled again." - GW Bush
Sorry hat to clutter this thread. Anyway, anyone got any reading material on this exploit done on the X10? I want to learn more about it.

Any Dev's care to comment on this?

DAGr8 said:
theres no such thing as atrix haters , theres moto haters , I been a moto fan since the startac , truth is motorola has spit in our face since the days of EZX phone where they would always find a way to circumvent gpl , I wish I could have an atrix , but as long as its locked , not gnna happen , fool me once shame on you , fool me twice shame on me , I am very tempted but I wont jump in just yet , I heard Tegra is much less secure then omap so theres your chance but it be a good month or 3 or 4 before anything happens to that bootloader , thinking otherwise woudl be greatly under estimating Motorola ...
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there are Atrix haters as well as moto haters, i've debated and well as read comments from quite a few of them, but people that have the wrong attitude and give up so easily on the phone ain't helping at all(or people that never had the phone to begin with), but i understand some people have their needs or wants in a phone and the atrix may not be it for them, but don't bash it just because you may not like it, never even owned it but have negative comments about it, have a defective device or whatever, and no i'm not saying that YOU have done any of this, but i'm tired of seeing it.....
but back to what this topic is actually about, hopefully this topic catches the devs attention

sooo.. ignoring the differences in architecture between omap and tegra, were the two bootloaders secured in the same fashion?> signed? signed and locked? locked?

DAGr8 said:
theres no such thing as atrix haters , theres moto haters , I been a moto fan since the startac , truth is motorola has spit in our face since the days of EZX phone where they would always find a way to circumvent gpl , I wish I could have an atrix , but as long as its locked , not gnna happen , fool me once shame on you , fool me twice shame on me , I am very tempted but I wont jump in just yet , I heard Tegra is much less secure then omap so theres your chance but it be a good month or 3 or 4 before anything happens to that bootloader , thinking otherwise woudl be greatly under estimating Motorola ...
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Even it takes 3 or 4 months it still gives us hope. I thought this whole signed bootloader mess was gonna be completely impossible! So I'm thrilled to hear this!

Nothing is impossible
Doesn't look like this is catching the eye of many people though, most likely from the 4/4 date.

Bootloader was too late

Hi
Does anyone else think that the bootloader release is just a bit too late. All our great devs have left just before it was released. Reason I say this is because the unlock has been around for a week and all I have seen is DooM making kernels. Z hasn't been seen and as for the others well. They moved on. Same for all our better cooks. What are other peoples views on this.
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Nope, to me, I consider it as an exclusive treat for the loyal X10 users.
-- Sent using /dev/xda

I agree, I havent even bothered unlocking mine as the old method is fine until something else worthwhile is released. I doubt we will get anything we dont already have.
Perhaps an updated kernel eventually but i cant see anything useful for me.
The X10 has got old fast, there are so many better phones out there now. Ive never been that happy with the x10. The features I find it has arent overly great. Its huge 8mp camera blows compared to other phones. Far to slow and annoying to focus. I use to use it alot when I first got it but dont ever touch it now.
I doubt the devs will be able to squeez much more out of there roms.

i want to see a rom thats as full to aosp as possible likegoogle version of android and then ill do mine

Blackwatch89 said:
Hi
Does anyone else think that the bootloader release is just a bit too late. All our great devs have left just before it was released. Reason I say this is because the unlock has been around for a week and all I have seen is DooM making kernels. Z hasn't been seen and as for the others well. They moved on. Same for all our better cooks. What are other peoples views on this.
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i think some people expect too much from the bootloader unlock.
The bootloader bypass gave us custom kernels and was a big step.
The bootloader unlock doesnt really give us much extra in addition to the bootloader bypass apart from a quicker startup time. Those people who just think bootloader unlock automatically gives us the ability to do 16m colours or proper multitouch are simply ill informed as to how this stuff works.

brent0r said:
I agree, I havent even bothered unlocking mine as the old method is fine until something else worthwhile is released. I doubt we will get anything we dont already have.
Perhaps an updated kernel eventually but i cant see anything useful for me.
The X10 has got old fast, there are so many better phones out there now. Ive never been that happy with the x10. The features I find it has arent overly great. Its huge 8mp camera blows compared to other phones. Far to slow and annoying to focus. I use to use it alot when I first got it but dont ever touch it now.
I doubt the devs will be able to squeez much more out of there roms.
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You guys got a point and I admit I had to agree with you. We may have not seen anything worthwhile for now, but I am very positive that there will be, if not many, one whole new thing we havent seen for our X10.
I'm not sure what happened to z, but everyone has their own life. Just hope that he don't leave us just like that.
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who knows what z has got cooking..
he always seems to pop out at times like these when hope and morale is down and be like "surprise I made the best thing ever"
lol

scoobysnacks said:
who knows what z has got cooking..
he always seems to pop out at times like these when hope and morale is down and be like "surprise I made the best thing ever"
lol
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I doubt he really is cooking something lol
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Didn't Z's phone break?? Anyway I think maybe now that bootloader is unlocked some old dev's might blow the dust off their x10's and come back even maybe part time lol you never know what could happen
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X10 will get official CM support and jerpelea is working on his CM rom and im sure zdzihu will comeback with something soon. Its not at all to late!
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I saw this same thing on MoDaCo.
I look at it this way:
If you have unlocked your bootloader, then you don't have to worry about losing xrec when you flash a faulty ROM/kernel. Since it's built right in, it's there to stay. That way you don't have to deal with going back to stock, rooting, and restoring backup from there.
Made testing things a bit easier, if anything.
Let's all support our devs in slow times. And if at all else, come together as a community, learn to cook, mod, dev, and things will pick up.
And as always: this is done for free* by regular, everyday, normal people such as yourselves that do this in their free time. I'm grateful for that.
*only exception is ad clicking to get to WB files via adf.ly due to his financial contraints (but it's time paid, not money)

Wolfbreak said:
X10 will get official CM support and jerpelea is working on his CM rom and im sure zdzihu will comeback with something soon. Its not at all to late!
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whats the chances of youmaking a rom thats similar to google version

-PiLoT- said:
i want to see a rom thats as full to aosp as possible likegoogle version of android and then ill do mine
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I am the process of making a fully aosp rom from source as we speak. Just finishing the download of the sources and then onto the build. Don't know if it will go well but I am using the tutorial videos by Ubuntu. The best Linux distro around. Maybe a week or two and I will release a fully aosp rom. Also I have to go e my thanks to achotjan for teaching me a few things. .
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Blackwatch89 said:
I am the process of making a fully aosp rom from source as we speak. Just finishing the download of the sources and then onto the build. Don't know if it will go well but I am using the tutorial videos by Ubuntu. The best Linux distro around. Maybe a week or two and I will release a fully aosp rom. Also I have to go e my thanks to achotjan for teaching me a few things. .
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Nice just the opposite of what achotjan does...
sammyjc89=Blackwatch89?
Why?
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What i need is working Dual touch but i will wait for it...

Hope it will be Multitouch or something like Kernel 2.6.32. MT if it's not hardware problem....

Blackwatch89 said:
...Ubuntu. The best Linux distro around...
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Welcome to the world of Linux my friend, there's no need keep saying the same thing again, and again. Just keep up the good work!
@DikeJ, FreeXperia is currently working on kernel 2.6.32 for a long time now(since before the bootloader was unlocked). About MT, search around the forums, AFAIK, Z said X10's digitizer supports MT, it's just that the phone is released on Android 1.6, which don't support MT.

@Hzu, good to hear. I know about creating 2.6.32, but about MT didn't heard anything before - very good info. So it's just a time to reborn again our X10's .
BTW - I will create topic on Devs forum - it will be gaming and the fastest ROM for X10 - I have hope . Stay tuned, after 21st .

DiKeJ said:
@Hzu, good to hear. I know about creating 2.6.32, but about MT didn't heard anything before - very good info. So it's just a time to reborn again our X10's .
BTW - I will create topic on Devs forum - it will be gaming and the fastest ROM for X10 - I have hope . Stay tuned, after 21st .
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Sounds cool and promising! Hope to hear from you soon!

Yes its to late for me. next week ill buy sgs2. Thingking of selling my x10 (so-o1b) ... sell or paperweight?
sent from my stock gb not rooted and no add ons.

sahibunlimited said:
Nice just the opposite of what achotjan does...
sammyjc89=Blackwatch89?
Why?
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What i need is working Dual touch but i will wait for it...
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Security perposes. Someone tried hacking one of my account but my software caught them. Shame I couldn't find them though. Anyways also I am a big fan of the 1st battalion blackwatch regiment. One of the hardest army regiments in the UK. Hey, gotta love the Scottish man.
-Pilot-
Please don't take that the wrong way. I think you lot are nuts but sound as f**k. Got a few mates from that regiment and they are hard as nails. Scary too
Anyways also it goes with my lifestyle too. I don't sleep due to health issues so I am a bit nocturnal you could say but I'm always on the lookout. Black-night, Watch-eyes open and 89 my yr of birth. Hope that helps you understand dude.
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Bricking the X10.. funny but oddly funny..

When i first joined XDA i had this fight with Fisidox and SVTmook " think it was svtmook"
We had a fight about bricking and semi bricking ect...
After owning both the x10, x10 mini pro, SGS2 and now i have gotten ASUS Transformer Prime just today... i have learned so much.
One thing i remember is SVTmook saying dude you can't brick a x10.. he was right... it's damn hard to brick a x10. hardly had my transformer for a day and i had to re-flash to stock.
I can say today that i learned allot from you guys.. i'm in a way thankful that i owned a x10... because it has shown me everything android is not supposed to be.
But has shown me a true XDA family, True great minds working together.
The x10 has been one hell of a ride.. i have been along side users here for quite a while. i'm happy i have been apart of the journey of the x10.
P1LoT, MrClown and Colosus.. you guys were great mods.. that took a hammering and i thank you for everything you have done for the x10 community.
Go well and may blessings follow.
To the rest of you i say thank you.. thank you for making my day interesting... every second well spent. i don't care if you trolled me.. i don't care if i was the troll.. thank you and sorry for being brutally honest.
If there is anything else i can say enjoy your device.. enjoy it.. not many people have the blessing of doing what we do and how we do it.. a modded device is a godlike weapon from which no witch can recover.. it's a tool.
And tools must work for you.
Blessings to you all everywhere.

enjoy your new device

Nice post mate.
It is not a goodbye is it?

It's been an honor trolling with you.
-Mike

colossus said:
Nice post mate.
It is not a goodbye is it?
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Nope.. just making peace with my demons.
Running out of thanks...

OmegaRED^ said:
Nope.. just making peace with my demons.
Running out of thanks...
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Good to know buddy.

Enjoy your new device honestly i see you alot around the x10 forums and i don't see much of trolling from your side happy to meet you sir/madam
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sorry for such an odd question here .. but any of you X10 owners can PM me lock sound of XPERIA x10... in /system/media/audio/ui/
i ll be really grateful

Couldn't have said it better myself.

That's the best post I have ever read.
Everything I have been through with this device starting from early mornings checking for updates on XDA to an "ungodly" hours at night.
Great journey, loved to be part from it.
Have fun with your new device as I am having with my one.

Do you remember that enormous thread when 2.1 was due out. I must have spent hours on there alone. Good times
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Remember back in the day when the x10 only had double tap, and no pinch to zoom..
hahaha it really was a failure on 1.6. Without the pressure that was put on SE to update the x10, and the brilliant work these devs on XDA have done, the x10 would of been a MASSIVE disaster...
Anyway good luck with your future devices Omega. All the best.
I always think what would of happened if I bought the SGS instead of the x10.
Better phone no doubt, but nowhere near as much fun. If I had the choice to go back and remake that choice, i'd go the x10 again

LJE said:
Remember back in the day when the x10 only had double tap, and no pinch to zoom..
hahaha it really was a failure on 1.6. Without the pressure that was put on SE to update the x10, and the brilliant work these devs on XDA have done, the x10 would of been a MASSIVE disaster...
Anyway good luck with your future devices Omega. All the best.
I always think what would of happened if I bought the SGS instead of the x10.
Better phone no doubt, but nowhere near as much fun. If I had the choice to go back and remake that choice, i'd go the x10 again
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Yeh I feel the same way. The Droid RAZR forums are much more boring than the x10's. Even though the RAZR is a more superior device the x10 has made me an addict,
Xperia x10(Feralabs Rom) After trying all roms it was my Fav.
Now on the RAZR.
I see you Drinking that ¥Hateraid¥

I got a TF101 in December. ICS was supposed to have been released for it already and now Asus keeps giving different answers. Now the TF forum is blowing up with the "OMG where the F is ICS?!!" threads. It reminds me of the "good old days" of everyone *****ing and moaning about x10 fw updates... It definitely builds character and brings the interesting forumers out of the woodwork! And I am a lot less worried about it this go-round!
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You were one of the most helpful thanks man
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Not trolling, but if you can reflash stock it wasn't bricked either. I think people don't understand bricked.

agentJBM said:
Not trolling, but if you can reflash stock it wasn't bricked either. I think people don't understand bricked.
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I thought he was doing some gps project with x10 and something bad happend
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agentJBM said:
Not trolling, but if you can reflash stock it wasn't bricked either. I think people don't understand bricked.
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what i was pointing out was even after adopting several devices.. different hardware ECT... still i have not yet bricked any of my other devices.
X10 died because i pushed her way too hard. "so not actually a brick due to flashing"
This is also due to a effort by developers to keep it as sane as possible when it comes to flashing.