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I'm new to android phones. In fact, other than reading about them, my only experience with them is playing with the evo 4g for about 10 minutes. I was surprised at the significant stuttering while trying to scroll through lists. It made navigating the sprint tv application very very frustrating. Scrolling through the browser settings was also very annoying because of the stutter. Is this normal for android phones? Is it normal for the evo? Is there some way to fix it?
Right now I have an iphone 3g. I'm not happy with having to jailbreak my iphone just to get some basic functionality that I need. I'm afraid that with the iphone 4 won't even be able to turn on a jail broken phone without plugging it into a computer, so I really am looking for an android device, but this scrolling stutter might be a deal breaker, if it is normal.
Demo models are always torn up and not typical.
I really don't have any lag but I'm also rooted, removed the bloat and have a great task manager installed.
the nexus never stuttered. not a single step. the evo tends to. i think it has something to do with the bloatware that htc and sprint have filled it up with.
could be the 30 fps bug. the device is locked at displaying 30 frames per second so things could be choppy. that's the second thing i noticed about the phone. first was how fuzzy everything looked - i upgraded from a droid so that could be the reason.
I don't think its the 30fps bug. 30 fps would be perfectly acceptable. This is a stutter, not just slow frame rate.
If you're coming from an iPhone I can see how the scrolling would bother you. The iPhone is consistently 60fps in the UI at almost all times, does not suffer the choppiness of the Android UI when scrolling lists or applications. Restoring the 60fps target + Froyo should get the Android UI experience up to acceptable levels in my opinion.
It's the live wallpapers that make my app list stutter. I turned it off and it's smooth now.
madsquabbles said:
could be the 30 fps bug. the device is locked at displaying 30 frames per second so things could be choppy. that's the second thing i noticed about the phone. first was how fuzzy everything looked - i upgraded from a droid so that could be the reason.
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OMGG stop blaming a 30fps cap for the phone being laggy AT ALL. Its like every single forum if someone brings something up about the phone freezing, lagging, glitching, or not working. Some random person says "its probably because the 30fps cap". Thats not going to stop things from scrolling all in one motion.
But like others have said here, its most likely just because its a demo phone and there might of been a lot of things running. Since most people dont know how to operate android devices they dont close the program and just open everything and anything. Also htc/sprint put a lot on to the phone and bog it down. The phone will be more then operational without rooting, but if you do root, you can give the phone a big increase in speed.
The 'performance improving' ROMs seem to have a great placebo effect.
The phone stutters regardless of what rom you use. The EVO 4G is a laggy phone. It is very unimpressive.
Having sprint bloatware taking up space in your phone's flash memory does not affect performance. It is not taking up ram unless it's running, and even if it is, it will get reclaimed automatically by the operating system as needed.
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The phone stutters regardless of what rom you use. The EVO 4G is a laggy phone. It is very unimpressive.
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I seem to disagree with u there. My EVO hasnt choked once. Yeah, its a little jittery with LWP running, but without the LWP, my EVO is as smooth as can be. Not one complaint.
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I seem to disagree with u there. My EVO hasnt choked once. Yeah, its a little jittery with LWP running, but without the LWP, my EVO is as smooth as can be. Not one complaint.
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I'm coming from an iphone 3g which had no UI lag. Opening and closing apps took longer though. Scrolling, switching homescreens, and especially scrolling the apps list seems extremely laggy on the Evo..
Try launcher pro if you refuse to root and use the custom roms.
I have virtually zero lag and free memory is always over 200 mb
I'll agree, I just came from an iPhone 3gs and one of the first things I noticed was that the Evo wasn't as smooth. I really like the OS but the scrolling needs to be fixed.
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Hell... I came from an iphone 2G and it scrolls smoother than my evo.
I really think it's the refresh rate.
I had a Nexus One and never noticed the stutter, though some of my iPhone-toting friends did. But the second I updated to Froyo and everything was much faster and more responsive, I could notice how much slower scrolling and switching screens on 2.1 devices was. It's just a matter of what you're used to.
I get some stuttering when scrolling. My Hero (which I still have) doesn't do this. Strange thing is that sometimes I do not see this stuttering and it's smooth as butter. My thought is that something in the background is running and eating up CPU time.
Live wallpapers seem to make a huge difference in how smooth and regular the touch screen refreshes (like scrolling). I don't have big problems with preinstalled live wallpapers by Android and HTC, but when using most downloaded live wallpapers, the difference is noticable - for example, Galactic Core and RedEye Scanner live wallpapers make scrolling noticeably choppier.
This doesn't seem to happen as much with Nexus One I have access to. I think it might the combination of the 30fps cap and the Sense UI.
Well my plan now is to wait until the iPhone 4 is jailbroken. If the evo's stutter is fixed to the point that it is like other android phones, I'll buy the evo. Of not, I'll get the iPhone unless there's a new option on sprint or AT&T.
I should say that I don't buy that the stutter is due to the 30fps cap. I know what 30fps looks like. The scroll stutter/lag hurts useability. A smooth 30fps wouldn't.
It doesn't stutter unless your running certain live wallpapers. If you use a regular wallpaper there is no stuttering. This is not a problem with EVO as I had same problem on my Nexus but after the update to froyo everything was silky smooth even with live wallpapers. So my suggestion is if it bothers you just use a regular wallpaper until froyo drops on the EVO.
Right now with all the new kenels with have manage to approach 60fps. But it will never be smooth enough if we dont get the stutter fix.
Before u begin and say that your phone does not have the stutter, well it does. The problem is at any window such has contact if u swipe u get a very smooth scrolling but if you hold your finger and scroll very slowly u will see microstutter and not a smooth scrolling.
Im not sure if this has been posted before and dont know if it might be the screen or actual Os
Im holding the zune hd & iphone. Both device does not suffer from this microstutter
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Strange I have no stutter using fresh 3.2 with stock kernel.
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Before u begin and say that your phone does not have the stutter, well it does.
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Oh really?
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Strange I have no stutter using fresh 3.2 with stock kernel.
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Strange I do have stutter using fresh 3.2 with stock kernel.
And I agree with OP. I knew I wasn't the only one who noticed this. When flicking through homescreens on launcher pro (or even sense) the scrolling is completely smooth. When you hold your finger on the screen and move it, it stutters and makes very tiny jumps. It's not appealing. It's great we've been able to crack the 30fps limit despite HTC's unhelpful attitude. I think the next step would be to get rid of the stuttering.
I have the same exact issue and have noticed this from day one. It's quite annoying. I thought the fix for fps would stop it, but I was wrong. I've tried to ignore it, but such a thing cannot be ignored by my eyes. It's noticeable every time and more annoying each time.
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I have been bothered by this since day one also. its the only negative thing a colleague of mine (blackberry user) has to say when he compares iphone to evo. its there wether you notice or not
When "slowly" dragging my finger to change screens I see that initial stutter but I'm not seeing the "jumping." Or is it that initial stutter?
Usually flicking through the screens as fast as my finger can go and it looks smooth as a babies .... bowel movement.
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When "slowly" dragging my finger to change screens I see that initial stutter but I'm not seeing the "jumping." Or is it that initial stutter?
Usually flicking through the screens as fast as my finger can go and it looks smooth as a babies .... bowel movement.
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it won't be noticeable until you have an iphone or zune hd, who ever saids that it's not there is because they have not notice it at all. i have use all fresh roms and still have it.
Go to a website or to contacts and swipe to scroll, you will see a very butter smooth scrolling. Have a iphone on hand and do the same, you'll that the smoothness is about the same. Now grab the screen with your finger and slowly without let in go of the finger scroll up or down. You'll see a microstutter which is very obvious when you compare it to a OS like iphone or Zune HD (and from video do not see it in wm7). Is very annoying. I have the iphone 4g next to me and can tell you that the scrolling between home screens are about the same smoothness wise (using launcher pro with king's kenel #8). But the microstutter is so obvious between devices that is to hard not to notice.
like i said, i'm not sure if this is due to the screen or what, i'll try it on my sister nexus but is good that could take a development look into this problem aswell.
Maybe a nova/epson difference. Because my nova does not stutter.
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Maybe a nova/epson difference. Because my nova does not stutter.
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Nova is what i have at the moment and this happens. running Evio, my friend with me right now has an epson running fresh and does it has well.
The people who claim they don't have it are simply not seeing it, but it's definitely there. It's on my brother's evo, mine, and my friends.
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Honestly have to say I forgot what the sense contacts evn look like..if even different from aosp cm6...but if memory serves it is slightly and I get a smooth scroll. Went to some image heavy sites and notices that pictures sorta pixelate a bit when slowly scrolling but text bodies and links scroll smooth when inching along. Using dolphin HD over stock if that counts for anything. Like I said I see a slight stutter on homescreens initially but it scrolls smooth and as said maybe the aosp isn't giving me issues. Not sure?
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Honestly have to say I forgot what the sense contacts evn look like..if even different from aosp cm6...but if memory serves it is slightly and I get a smooth scroll. Went to some image heavy sites and notices that pictures sorta pixelate a bit when slowly scrolling but text bodies and links scroll smooth when inching along. Using dolphin HD over stock if that counts for anything. Like I said I see a slight stutter on homescreens initially but it scrolls smooth and as said maybe the aosp isn't giving me issues. Not sure?
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i have tried CM6 and still there. It will always be smooth with any rom, even more with cm6, but this is something else. Is something with how the screen detects the scrolling touch while holding it.
like i said before, you'll not really notice it much until you see an iphone and compare both side by side. Then you'll see the problem i'm talking about.
as a previous iPhone user, this was the first thing I noticed when I got the phone. the scrolling just isn't as smooth.
build.prop edits for droid x:
To enable better scrolling speed through lists, I changed
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windowsmgr.max_events_per_sec=60
Scrolling through the app drawer and contacts and any lists really is now smoother
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=771232
Very cool hopefully fix is implemented in are customs fast
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build.prop edits for droid x:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=771232
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Awesome, dude. Thanks a lot. Just did exactly what the post said, so I'll be testing this.
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i dont know if this will work for the evo. i dont really notice a difference using cm6. perhaps others will have better luck.
It's only been about ten minutes since my last post but I don't see a HUGE difference. IMO this isn't worth doing. I wonder if this problem will ever be fixed. Oh well.
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I cant find that windowsmgr.max_events_per_sec=55 in my build.prop file
I went to best buy a little while ago and they had a XOOM display sitting all by its lonesome getting no attention, so I went over to play around with it. The apps seemed very snappy, but switching between homescreens and flicking some of the widgets was quite jerky and choppy.
Is this everyone's experience, or was it just that one XOOM?
I haven't had problems with chop. I have noticed very minor stutters with some 3D effects, but they're barely noticeable.
My experience has been buttery smooth man.
No chop
Same here. Everything has been very smooth!
Interesting. I wonder if it was because it had been left on since 10am.
I even starting trashing widgets from the home screens until all that was left was a few app buttons. Didn't help any.
Mine is fine. The only thing I have noticed it that the screen rotation is slow.
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Screen rotation has always been slow on Android. Doesn't bother me.
Screen rotation on my infected evo is very fast. Almost too fast. Just Ned to wait for virus to make xoom roms. Won't happen but would be nice
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It's choppy/jittery for me using Dolphin Browser. I'm still playing with the thing, so I don't know what else is doing it.
When I put my Xoom in portrait mode, it is laggy for sure 100%, but in landscape is smooth.
Anyone else seeing this?
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It's choppy/jittery for me using Dolphin Browser. I'm still playing with the thing, so I don't know what else is doing it.
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It's normal, Dolphin isn't yet accelerated by the GPU, like the Chrome browser.
Pretty smooth for me, I noticed a bit of choppiness, but it appears to be random.
I wonder if the demo unit at Best Buy is different. I know that it lost wifi connection with Best Buy's routers while I was there. I asked someone about this and they said it had something to do with the demo unit. Whether that was true or not, IDK, but it worked perfect with tethered to my phone over Wifi.
Hey I just got my g2. Incredible phone, there is a learning curve however. I'm not quite used to the dimensions and button the back, but I have only been using it for a couple days so I'll give it t some time. The screen and camera are the best I've ever seen(not counting the nokia1020).
The biggest issue for me right now is performance. Switching in and out of apps and navigating apps is pretty choppy. Had this been 3 years ago the speed would be great but I'm comparing it to my galaxy s4 and iPhone 5 side by side and the scrolling on some web pages and apps is frustratingly slow. I was wondering if anyone is seeing the same kind of performance?
No, my phone is flying. No lags whatsoever. I would try a master reset and see if that helps.
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No, my phone is flying. No lags whatsoever. I would try a master reset and see if that helps.
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Same here, fastest Android phone I ever dealt with. Experience is better then N4, just with a load of junk... Cyanogenmod for us will make it better!
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Same here, fastest Android phone I ever dealt with. Experience is better then N4, just with a load of junk... Cyanogenmod for us will make it better!
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Since your coming from anexus 4, which was my favorite android phone besides the camera. How are you doing with the size difference? I have larger than average size hands and I have to bounce the phone around in my hand to reach things I need to press at the top of the screen. Never had that problem with the nexus or my gs4.
I'm coming from a N4 too (I'll get the phone the G2 this week) I'll miss vanilla, but the battery life, camera, and larger screen will MORE than make up for that with the G2.
do me a favor and try youtube, asphalt 8, riptide gp, etc etc. (heavy 3d games) everything is choppy for me but the choppiness is rhythmic for some odd reason
First off, what launcher are you using? I think alot of people that get lagged that are caused by a poorly written app, and assume its the phones fault. Only good way to tell will be factory reset, and run it that way a bit. All good then add ur apps back one at a time, testing it between apps, and that will pinpoint which app is the issue...
I've been getting some random gitter/lag with the ui as well, just tested in antutu got 30,000 then a second time got 26,000. Isn't the g2 supposed to get like 35k?
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Just so I could make a statement based on fact I downloaded Riptide GP 2 to see if I got any lag or stuttering, I played 2 races with no lag or slowdown. Then I went into the graphic settings but everything was already maxed out by default, I ended up playing for 20 more minutes and its a very fun game lol. So yep it just went thru the game like butter the way you would expect it to..
I read a couple of reviews saying that touchwiz stutters here and there on the Note 3. Can anyone who has the phone speak on this? Thanks!
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Where exactly is "here and there"? I would like to check that to answer your question better.
But i personally don't see any stutter or lag in touchwiz. The only thing i can remember that stutters badly, but very very badly, completely unusable, is the gallery. It's just terrible. Downloading the Gallery ICS from the store, and the thing flies.
I have the N-9005 version btw.
I haven't noticed any stuttering at all.
No lag but I want faster response time. Note 3 touch response time a bit faster than Note 2, slower than S4.
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Ive had it for a week now and filled it with apps with a 64gig microsd.
its smoooooooth . No lag at all.
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No lag but I want faster response time. Note 3 touch response time a bit faster than Note, slower than S4.
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i think the complete opposite, this reminds me of touch response on my 5s, I thought the s4 touch response was terrible.
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I haven't noticed any stuttering at all.
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^^ non so far either, i got like 5 apps on it and have been using it heavily all day.
Gallery lags, get QuickPic instead. There is sometimes a stutter or screen touch response when hitting the home and apps button. Micro stutter almost. Browser sometimes has stutters.
I'm comparing to another Snapdragon device the G2 and touchwiz is not as smooth as LG's launcher and the G2 screen is more responsive to touches.
Its better than my S4's octalag out of the box. Thats for sure. But not 100% lag free unfortunately more like 97% lagfree. Close but no cigar
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Gallery lags, get QuickPic instead. There is sometimes a stutter or screen touch response when hitting the home and apps button. Micro stutter almost. Browser sometimes has stutters.
I'm comparing to another Snapdragon device the G2 and touchwiz is not as smooth as LG's launcher and the G2 screen is more responsive to touches.
Its better than my S4's octalag out of the box. Thats for sure. But not 100% lag free unfortunately more like 97% lagfree. Close but no cigar
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And I will say just opposite except for s4 part. Absolutely no lag in these 4 days of using Nothing to report...
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Gallery lags, get QuickPic instead. There is sometimes a stutter or screen touch response when hitting the home and apps button. Micro stutter almost. Browser sometimes has stutters.
I'm comparing to another Snapdragon device the G2 and touchwiz is not as smooth as LG's launcher and the G2 screen is more responsive to touches.
Its better than my S4's octalag out of the box. Thats for sure. But not 100% lag free unfortunately more like 97% lagfree. Close but no cigar
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I think it's acceptable then. As far as the home button lag it usually is because of S voice. Disable it and you should see a big improvement.
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Hendrickson said:
Gallery lags, get QuickPic instead. There is sometimes a stutter or screen touch response when hitting the home and apps button. Micro stutter almost. Browser sometimes has stutters.
I'm comparing to another Snapdragon device the G2 and touchwiz is not as smooth as LG's launcher and the G2 screen is more responsive to touches.
Its better than my S4's octalag out of the box. Thats for sure. But not 100% lag free unfortunately more like 97% lagfree. Close but no cigar
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I'm picking my phone up on Friday, but I heard the screen sensitivity can be adjusted in settings menu to increase response time for when ur wearing gloves. Try that and see if it helps?
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It's pretty smooth , only some frame drops in some apps and sometimes animations stutter.
I'm pretty "lag sensitive" and coming from an iPhone I have to say that it's probably one of the smoothest.
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Have it since 3 days (SM-N9005) and didn't noticed a lag, it didn't stutter at all and I hadn't a force close at all.
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I've rooted it now and uninstalled some s apps that caused lag it seems. I didn't need health, samsung apps etc etc. Much better now. Smooth now.
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I've rooted it now and uninstalled some s apps that caused lag it seems. I didn't need health, samsung apps etc etc. Much better now. Smooth now.
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do you have a tutorial to do this?
I have a stock Note 3, and swiping between homescreens is smooth. Lag (jank/hitches/stutter) occurs when scrolling in the browser (some sites perform better than others - but even the sites that perform poorly on the Note 3 perform great on iOS). Scrolling in the ScrapBook is not smooth - very janky/jittery. Same thing with Google Play (the main screen). Scroll and it jitters and stutters a lot. Even does strange screen refreshes at odd times. Scrolling HTML emails stutters (again, some scroll more smoothly than others, but most stutter).
It depends on how sensitive you are to jank.
I am bit disappointed overall. It's not as smooth as my s4, and my nexus 7 2013 is faster and smoother. For example, scrolling home screens is a bit jerky. Native apps can be a little slow to open, say when on the settings menu and making changes and it goes to a sub screen. Makes me realise what a great buy the N7 2ed is.
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I am bit disappointed overall. It's not as smooth as my s4, and my nexus 7 2013 is faster and smoother. For example, scrolling home screens is a bit jerky. Native apps can be a little slow to open, say when on the settings menu and making changes and it goes to a sub screen. Makes me realise what a great buy the N7 2ed is.
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No lag here n9005 .. no lag in the gallery.. in fact its the fastest gallery I ever seen
Had some occasional lag when I was on MI7 but everything is buttery smooth with the latest MJ7!
Man my phone was released a month ago. I expect lag/software glitches. Early adopters are always mass market beta testers. The hardware specs are proof that all lag is software related. Personally mine runs impressively smooth.
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No lag here n9005 .. no lag in the gallery.. in fact its the fastest gallery I ever seen
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That's interesting, because my Gallery is completely unusable. It's so slow and laggy i can't use it. I have installed a couple of 3rd party gallery and they are all much much faster (Quickpick and ICS Gallery).
How is this possible?!