Regarding thread names and misleads to new members.

Regarding thread names and misleads to new members. - ONE General

Hello everyone.
I'm getting really tired of seeing new ROM's and Kernel's being born into our Oneplus community..
What I mean by that is NOT that I don't like people trying to give us something new from their own hard work I LOVE YOU GUYS, seriously the people that gives us and me your OWN free time is AMAZING.... BUT.
(Almost everytime... not everytime) When a new ROM or Kernel joins the family the author seems to want to end up on the first page.. WHICH is totally WRONG because this is not about being FIRST.... ROM's can certainly have different options and optimizations but when people start to use thread names as - BEST ROM - BEST BATTERY OF ALL ROMS - new members get mislead and starts testing ROM's for no reason... why do you name your threads like that?Isn't this about giving the community the best possible experience without.. basically lying? There is NO reason to do it.. it's like a SPORT? Since when was this a sport? STOP IT!
I'm tired of meaningless thread names telling how good THEIR ROM is.. regardless how similar it is to... everything else. Why should we lure people into testing nothing different to the other ROM he or she just flashed? This is NONSENSE! Write your modifications, optimizations and options.. but DON'T say YOUR rom is better then the others!! Let the community decide that... there is so many people that will think different so again, there is NO reason to lure new people into flash totally meaningless stuff because YOU say that your ROM/KERNEL is so much better the others!!!

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The best roms............. coming soon

I have read many posts where people are asking which is the best rom for my device (and have done myself) only to get abrupt replies with something like "how dare you ask this, chefs put a lot of effort into each rom and its down to personal preferance blah blah" ................"THREAD CLOSED"
Does every one think think this is the best way for xda to be run or is there other people that think this should be allowed to be debated? I know this is originally a developer forum, however I would hazard a guess that there is now more public users that devolpers.
The thing is developers develope roms and yes certainly they put a lot of time and effort into it and are respected rightly so for it. however can the end user really be expected not to be allowed to discuss these roms on the forum only to be told the above mensioned things. It happens time and again over and over. People like myself (the end user) do not have time to flash every rom to find the ones they like. (its a days setting up for myself after a flash) and if its crap (which there is no denying. some are) its a day wasted.
What I think the forum needs is a "ROM USER REVIEW" section where people like myself can go and rate a rom for other users referance.
Surely this is the key to better roms. If one developers rom is poor hes going to be able to see that its poor and will/might take the user rating / comments on board and the next time try harder.... ultimately producing a better rom.
Competition is what makes better products, If handset manufacturers took the same stance as xda we would be waiting for the realease of the o2 xda 2s later this year. and this is the same in all industries.

Totally agree, people that make good ROMs should be applauded by some kind of user rating system. same way people can avoid wasting time flashing not so good or buggy ones.

jaxouk said:
I have read many posts where people are asking which is the best rom for my device (and have done myself) only to get abrupt replies with something like "how dare you ask this, chefs put a lot of effort into each rom and its down to personal preferance blah blah" ................"THREAD CLOSED"
Does every one think think this is the best way for xda to be run or is there other people that think this should be allowed to be debated? I know this is originally a developer forum, however I would hazard a guess that there is now more public users that devolpers.
The thing is developers develope roms and yes certainly they put a lot of time and effort into it and are respected rightly so for it. however can the end user really be expected not to be allowed to discuss these roms on the forum only to be told the above mensioned things. It happens time and again over and over. People like myself (the end user) do not have time to flash every rom to find the ones they like. (its a days setting up for myself after a flash) and if its crap (which there is no denying. some are) its a day wasted.
What I think the forum needs is a "ROM USER REVIEW" section where people like myself can go and rate a rom for other users referance.
Surely this is the key to better roms. If one developers rom is poor hes going to be able to see that its poor and will/might take the user rating / comments on board and the next time try harder.... ultimately producing a better rom.
Competition is what makes better products, If handset manufacturers took the same stance as xda we would be waiting for the realease of the o2 xda 2s later this year. and this is the same in all industries.
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I think the mods should close this thread too. If you don't have enough time to flash them all then take a look at what the chefs have on the menu then take a plunge based on what you think will be good for you.
The best ROMs are combination of various things to various people. I like my ROMs light and fully loaded, I like them fast, stable and I want the maximum internal storage. So how are you going to define this best ROM for me or others? There some great ROMs out there that do not fit my bill but it does not mean there are not among the best ROMs (again my view will be different than yours).
Now the warning about how there are more users then they are chefs is nothing new to developers. If they were not more users then developers, we would not need developers because you would not have the demand. That is simple economics.
To the end if you are not going to try all the ROMs and provide your opinion base on your publicly define logic of what is the best, then this will be another useless thread. This is exactly what others have done by providing benchmarks which are useful if you are into benchmarks. However, I do use the benchmark information to get numbers I am interested in (like internal storage, memory, etc...).
This is not meant to kill your inspiration but your opening comments killed the entire thread for me even though it is only one post thus far. A little bit more friendly tone could have gone a long way. Either way I am not looking for a response to my comments that way we will see how this thread shapes up.

Well here we go again. There is no answer to which rom is the best. Its your choice.
Maybe you simply love a Ford car, but well others might hate a Ford car and choose a BMW instead. Its all up to personal experience. You use one rom in one way, and maybe that rom works better that way. Then some other dude will find that rom crap because he uses it in a whole other way. Maybe he wants to use his phone for navigation and calling, so he likes the rom a lot as it does what he wants it to, but you might complain that it is a crap rom because there are some sms bugs. The other user dosn't use sms writing so he dosn't recognize these bugs. This is only an example, but i hope you get my point
All discussion to a rom should be within the specific roms own thread.

i don't watch movies, buy stuff, listen to movies, etc because of their ratings given by others. so i pass on this

umhhh. i started a similar thread i had named ,'So who is the Master chef?'.it was harshly closed. never understood why.....

everyone loves his rom and his chef..can't really have an objective and representative rating system...
I know and undrstand where you are coming from...too many roms and one cannot choose...
with that said...if there WOULD BE a clear cut winning rom...then everybody would flash just that and the rest of the cook can retire...this way every cook has his "followers" and thus we have this large amount of roms and they all get updated and improved over time...
those like me and you that do not have the time...well then they cannot afford to flash too many roms...its that simple...if you are expecting someone to offer you a new best rom every day and then you just come home and flash it every night...well that service won't be happening...
and yes I believe we have 1000s of leechers and only a dozen cooks. xda developers is by far not just a developing community anymore...but then again we could be considered "beta testers".

I closed this thread, due to the same reason all the others that are similar all over xda are closed on sight.
These kind of threads usualy/always ends up in disputes and flamewars, there is always some hotheaded ppl who burst into flames when someone dont have the same view as they do.
So... sorry, yeah we close

Concerning jaxouk Thread on Best Roms

Okay firstly this is what jaxouk wrote:
I have read many posts where people are asking which is the best rom for my device (and have done myself) only to get abrupt replies with something like "how dare you ask this, chefs put a lot of effort into each rom and its down to personal preferance blah blah" ................"THREAD CLOSED"
Does every one think think this is the best way for xda to be run or is there other people that think this should be allowed to be debated? I know this is originally a developer forum, however I would hazard a guess that there is now more public users that devolpers.
The thing is developers develope roms and yes certainly they put a lot of time and effort into it and are respected rightly so for it. however can the end user really be expected not to be allowed to discuss these roms on the forum only to be told the above mensioned things. It happens time and again over and over. People like myself (the end user) do not have time to flash every rom to find the ones they like. (its a days setting up for myself after a flash) and if its crap (which there is no denying. some are) its a day wasted.
What I think the forum needs is a "ROM USER REVIEW" section where people like myself can go and rate a rom for other users referance.
Surely this is the key to better roms. If one developers rom is poor hes going to be able to see that its poor and will/might take the user rating / comments on board and the next time try harder.... ultimately producing a better rom.
Competition is what makes better products, If handset manufacturers took the same stance as xda we would be waiting for the realease of the o2 xda 2s later this year. and this is the same in all industries.
Okay so firstly Spot on and totally agree with you which as we all can see the majority of members using XDA agree with too.
Secondly this is what itje wrote who is a Moderator here:
I closed this thread, due to the same reason all the others that are similar all over xda are closed on sight.
These kind of threads usualy/always ends up in disputes and flamewars, there is always some hotheaded ppl who burst into flames when someone dont have the same view as they do.
So... sorry, yeah we close
So basically what you are saying is we as members are not allowed to treat XDA as a discussion forum as well as a Developer Forum? I thought the whole meaning to the word Forum, was for people to discuss there DIFFERENT opinions and have certain disputes with one another.
Sorry if people dont agree with this and please tell me why but I just think its silly that a mod would close a thread incase someone shouts and god forbid have an opinion.
Let me know what you guys think

It´s realy funny, when new user come to this forum and try to tell the old, experienced user, how the forum should go. I sometimes need to laugh about those statements but there are times i only want cry
I´m 100% agree with the Moderators (cause they are Moderators ). If you spend some more time around here, you will see how this forum works. Just use it, don´t complain.

I wasnt telling anyone how to run THIS forum I was basically explaining to everyone how a forum is normally run, if this is the way everyone likes it then fine but looking through 100's of posts and topics around here all I see is members and "noobs" getting put down from the likes of you.

crazy cat said:
It´s realy funny, when new user come to this forum and try to tell the old, experienced user, how the forum should go. I sometimes need to laugh about those statements but there are times i only want cry
I´m 100% agree with the Moderators (cause they are Moderators ). If you spend some more time around here, you will see how this forum works. Just use it, don´t complain.
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me no understand

This has been explained again and again.
Personal and objective opinions are not allowed here. So if you can't make your own judgement on which ROM's to use you might want to stick to the stock ROM. Or The best thing to do is setup your own personal blog for these types of things. Then you can say what you want.
This will be another thread closed soon i feel.

It's impossible to determine what 'the best rom' would be...
Some ppl love a transparent clock, others hate it.
Same with the slider bar.
Same with themes.
Some ppl love a windows build with the start button on the top, some ppl love it with the button on the bottom.
Some ppl love to have a crapload of apps installed, some ppl hate it.
Some ppl love to have the newest unstable build, some ppl want the secure and stable one.
I might love a rom and you might hate it, the only objective criteria is how stable a rom is but even that can be debated. So you just have to try, see what works for you and go from there.

thread closed (i wish)

i have no problem myself with people arguing about something, even when things are heating. i am more then capable to defend myself
you know what they say - when the going gets tough, the though gets going
it is clear that general policy of this forum will not allow this kind of debate
what i am suggesting is something i saw on othe forums:
a special place with a big warnig ENTER ON YOUR OWN RISK, or something like that
this special place is organised as a battle place where every user can call out another user on a subject and then they have a public "battle". the other users are the public and in the end they choose which of the fighters is the winner
here the rules are somehow loose and mods only came in when things are realy degenerate - curses, personal insults, family offense, etc.
bottom line - i, personaly, would allow topics about best roms, best apps, best whatever, and when people cross the line i would suggest them to cool down on the battle field
this can be a stupid ideea, but maybe something like that will help users to get off the presure somewhere and then to disscuss cool and polite the subjects they are interested in
regards

noris08 said:
i have no problem myself with people arguing about something, even when things are heating. i am more then capable to defend myself
you know what they say - when the going gets tough, the though gets going
it is clear that general policy of this forum will not allow this kind of debate
what i am suggesting is something i saw on othe forums:
a special place with a big warnig ENTER ON YOUR OWN RISK, or something like that
this special place is organised as a battle place where every user can call out another user on a subject and then they have a public "battle". the other users are the public and in the end they choose which of the fighters is the winner
here the rules are somehow loose and mods only came in when things are realy degenerate - curses, personal insults, family offense, etc.
bottom line - i, personaly, would allow topics about best roms, best apps, best whatever, and when people cross the line i would suggest them to cool down on the battle field
this can be a stupid ideea, but maybe something like that will help users to get off the presure somewhere and then to disscuss cool and polite the subjects they are interested in
regards
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Another problem with this kind of thing is you will have people come to this thread and ***** and complain about a particular ROM instead of the original ROM thread. The truth be known many of the problems users face are due to them not following instruction or due to some other incompatible software there are trying to use and then they blame their problems on the ROM creator. The down side to this is a thread like this will only open up negative criticism of a ROM and cause harm to the cook that maybe unjust. Not to mention that the problems need to be kept within the ROM threads in order to better improve the ROM's.
I understand what people want and this is why I made the statement to open your own blog or site to do these things and then link to here.

i have to agree. cooker cooks a rom and we rate it. if it was just "cook, post, upload, thread closed" in res of the world then everyone would buy apple, but cause its the information age we need to know what is what and where is where.
this should be even more seen here on "professional" forum like xda-developers.
i totaly agree with OP.
@bazgee: saying that 'noobs' shouldnt talk.. makes you so much more a 'noob'. your ass wasn't born smart and so wasn't OPs.
bobsbbq said:
Another problem with this kind of thing is you will have people come to this thread and ***** and complain about a particular ROM instead of the original ROM thread.
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The down side to this is a thread like this will only open up negative criticism of a ROM and cause harm to the cook that maybe unjust. Not to mention that the problems need to be kept within the ROM threads in order to better improve the ROM's.
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This is what forums are for!! To ASK, and to ANSWER!!

Edit; I'm not going to say something, post removed.

Really, is it *that* hard to understand there is *no* best ROM? They are all different!
It's apples vs oranges. It can't be compared. If your imagination needs a bit of help, look up consoles vs PCs, or PS3 vs x360 threads. Have you ever seen one not turn into a massive flamefest? ... exactly!
If you want to make sure a ROM working, check the last 2-3 pages of ROMs thread to see if there are people complaining.

Developers Forum?
The notion that this is a developers forum is a myth anyway. The end users play a massive role in here, determining bugs, requesting new features or feature removal and indeed critiquing the ROM within its own thread.
The idea that WW3 will break out if we allow dedicated discussion threads seems a bit weak to me. I've seen heated discussions in ROM threads and they never became more than that.
I'm sure it is more to do with protecting the ROM developers so that the ones who's ROMs may be bottom of the pile don't walk away, which is fair enough.
But from some people there is an all around lack of respect on this forum for the general user who do that deepest broadest testing, offer wirespread feedback and go a long way to making the ROM's what they are today.
And do not forget - if these folks weren't here to download the ROM's, how many chefs do you think would be here to cook them! Both sides need each other. I don't doubt the chefs get a kick from giving people what they want.
The moderators don't 'need' to do anything (We will all be here anyway) but if they have some respect then they should take on board and accomodate what appears to be the opinion of a vast number of users.
I'm sure there is some middle ground somewhere if we try and look ....

Really, is it *that* hard to understand there is *no* best ROM? They are all different!
That is not the case. There are roms that are the fastest, Roms that are the smoothest, Roms that have the best landscape support, Roms with the best apps to suit needs amongst others. Certainly if you try and make one overall top ten then it is going to be a lucky dip, but nobody suggested that.
It's apples vs oranges. It can't be compared. If your imagination needs a bit of help, look up consoles vs PCs, or PS3 vs x360 threads. Have you ever seen one not turn into a massive flamefest? ... exactly!
I'm not sure consolve vs PC is quite the same a comparing different ROMs as they have the same hardware, similar architecture, purpose etc Your also getting a little needlesly condescending now ;-)
If you want to make sure a ROM working, check the last 2-3 pages of ROMs thread to see if there are people complaining.
This is good advice for bug testing but does not offer any more constructive information on the whole.

mwillems2 said:
Really, is it *that* hard to understand there is *no* best ROM? They are all different!
That is not the case. There are roms that are the fastest, Roms that are the smoothest, Roms that have the best landscape support, Roms with the best apps to suit needs amongst others. Certainly if you try and make one overall top ten then it is going to be a lucky dip, but nobody suggested that.
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How exactly they are not different then? There is no two exactly same ROMs, with exactly same aims and objectives of a cook over here. Reading ROM description tells you exactly what the rom does and what the cook aims to achieve.
As an example; some ROMs have custom themes, some roms use MaxManilla, some use stock, some use something completely different. You can't quantify what's better. It's personal preference.
You can't possibly quantify 'best apps to suit needs' as everyone has different needs. As I said apples vs oranges.
If you want to make sure a ROM working, check the last 2-3 pages of ROMs thread to see if there are people complaining.
This is good advice for bug testing but does not offer any more constructive information on the whole.
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Again, I'm trying to understand what are you on about, but I can't. What is constructive information according to you?
You have ROM description on the first page, you can check the last few if there are any issues with it. What else do you want?
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i agree what bobsbbq said ,is not fair to say that this rom is good and this rom is better but if you try the other rom is far more better,is dissrespectul from the chefs trying to help you guys having best rom's avialible and to open another thread to say things like that is bad,so for me i choose my own judgement and would not ask others wich rom is best,so this thread is closed

mwillems2 said:
The notion that this is a developers forum is a myth anyway.
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You're saying this like it is somehow an acceptable, or possibly even a good thing. It is not.
It's true that this forum is now visited by people who:
cannot be bothered to read the first post of any thread
have no intention of educating themselves, only blindly consuming
will shamelessly ***** and make demands about things they are getting for free
These people do not make the community "better" in any way, and this kind of behaviour should not be tolerated in my view.
mwillems2 said:
The idea that WW3 will break out if we allow dedicated discussion threads seems a bit weak to me. I've seen heated discussions in ROM threads and they never became more than that.
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Heated discussions in themselves do not need to escalate any further. They are already a waste of everybody's time, and have no place here.
mwillems2 said:
But from some people there is an all around lack of respect on this forum for the general user who do that deepest broadest testing, offer wirespread feedback and go a long way to making the ROM's what they are today.
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I'm relatively sure the user who is seriously interested in testing and reporting is not in need of a completely seperate thread to voice their opinion on which ROM is somehow "best". For testers it's not constructive to voice opinions about a ROM in any other thread than the original ROM thread.
mwillems2 said:
And do not forget - if these folks weren't here to download the ROM's, how many chefs do you think would be here to cook them! Both sides need each other. I don't doubt the chefs get a kick from giving people what they want.
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Not so sure about that. I've seen plenty of chefs say that they basically cook for themselves, and just like to share. Even if they are cooking for the community, they do not need people to praise or diss their ROM's in any other thread than their own.
Overall, I feel the biggest problem with having a centralized ROM discussion thread is the intented audience: people who cannot be bothered to test and compare by themselves, people who cannot be bothered to read individual ROM threads.
What would be the point in creating a new thread for these people? Once it gets beyond 1 page, they will not bothered to read it anyway.

for me personally these "top 20s" don't have any value whatsoever but i understand why so many people want them. some of them are just lazy and want to avoid to read the threads, others are not able to think for themselves and need to be told what is good or bad for them and there are those who want to become famous reviewers.
for cryin' out loud, don't fix what is not broken! this forum is perfect as it is. moderators, don't let the comorades tell you what to do!

Volw said:
How exactly they are not different then? There is no two exactly same ROMs, with exactly same aims and objectives of a cook over here. Reading ROM description tells you exactly what the rom does and what the cook aims to achieve.
As an example; some ROMs have custom themes, some roms use MaxManilla, some use stock, some use something completely different. You can't quantify what's better. It's personal preference.
You can't possibly quantify 'best apps to suit needs' as everyone has different needs. As I said apples vs oranges.
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I think is better we not make comparative, believe it is better for all!!
but if you say it is impossible to compare among themselves the Rom, you're wrong!

lol reopened.
anyway i belive this huld be discussed. we are here three levels of people. so this will need for 1st level, and 2nd level will be trying the roms and giving feed backs. so 3rd level always will be cooking and editing roms. just my opinion.
lets start the work.. i go for duttys HG V.08

[SUGGESTION] ROM Reviews, Comparisons, Rankings,

With the dozens of ROMS out there for our device, it would be nice and helpful if a thread was made where people could post an in-depth comparison between these roms and possibly even a ranking system in terms of downloads, review score, user feedback etc. Another possibility is a guide that would help them choose the best ROM for them.
I've been on my custom rom ever since but that decision came after hours and hours of research and reading the threads of the other ROM chefs and visiting other websites as well. It would be really helpful to the newer members who would like to modify their phones to have a dedicated review thread/area where everything is there to read.
I know this sounds lazy but it would save hundreds of research hours and make choosing the right rom suited for each individual faster and easier.
I could do it if I had the proper experience and knowledge, but sadly, I am but a noob.
I'm just throwing ideas around and see if this is a good idea. Anyone interested in this? The community will be in gratitude if this becomes a reality

i think i posted in the wrong subforum? uhmm... sorry mods. Please move if inappropriate.

I don't think this is such a good idea, to be honest
First, it might be cause for some rather immature users to go about saying this or that is the best or this is better than that in so and so ROM etc. It's hard to find people who can give good reviews because no matter what, there's always that bias and sense of loyalty. Even comparative reviews may be hard to come by because I don't think a lot of people use a particular ROM for a long enough period of time before jumping to try another one (or they just try one, and stick to that one for whatever reason..be it because they're satisfied already, or aren't the type to want to try everything out) then once they settle on one they like, they can't really say much in terms of comparison about others they've tried before since ROMs constantly get updated. Like I may have stopped using a particular ROM because of bugs and such and move on to something else but who knows, those bugs could've been addressed already by then etc.
The thing of it is, someone will always have a different user experience from someone else. And it really depends on the person's usage of the phone. And it's really upto the user to do his/her own research. Because if we just have a thread where people will just look for whatever has the most reviews then they're just gonna jump right in to flash it perhaps without further in depth reading.. We already have a thread which is a constantly updated index of the ROMs already available. People can just start off from there, check out whatever seems appealing based on the description and jump to that thread for some further reading or ask their questions there. Opening up a thread like this might further fragment support around here. People might start asking questions on that thread, submit their complaints, ask for help, report problems etc. Even if you tell people to not do those things in that thread..well not everyone likes reading through all of the first post.
And unfortunately, not everyone is accustomed to use the ever helpful search box so they end up posting questions that already have been answered over and over again. And instead of checking out the step by step guides, they have people walk them through the process. Some people are so in a hurry to jump into custom ROMs that they end up making mistakes and bricking their phone. Some..how you say..rude users even go so far as to blame the ROM maker or the beta testers for not doing a good job because they have this or that freak bug they happen to get.
Not that I'm against helping people, especially newbies (I'm a helper on Doc's thread) but I think it would be a benefit to people especially new users to do some of their own research and discover things on their own. The respective threads of the ROMs provide more than enough information, reviews, complaints, help, guides etc.
People won't ever learn if they're spoon fed information and such all the time. I'm all for trying to make the whole experience easier for any kind of user, but I'm also all for people to do some of their own work and learn on their own. It's not just a matter of trying to save people time, it's a matter of letting people get the best user experience for them. It's not a matter of lessening the amount of people asking for help, but it's a matter of wanting them to learn.
Sometimes saving people time and effort isn't the best idea if it just gives them problems later they can't figure out on their own.
Sorry for the lengthy reply. Just my 100 pesos. Lol.
I don't mean any offense or whatever to anyone, okay? I love helping people when I have time and I just think helping people help themselves is the best. You know like..give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime..that kinda stuff.
I hope my post came off as logical and with all due respect.
Peace~

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anoneemooz said:
I don't think this is such a good idea, to be honest
First, it might be cause for some rather immature users to go about saying this or that is the best or this is better than that in so and so ROM etc. It's hard to find people who can give good reviews because no matter what, there's always that bias and sense of loyalty. Even comparative reviews may be hard to come by because I don't think a lot of people use a particular ROM for a long enough period of time before jumping to try another one (or they just try one, and stick to that one for whatever reason..be it because they're satisfied already, or aren't the type to want to try everything out) then once they settle on one they like, they can't really say much in terms of comparison about others they've tried before since ROMs constantly get updated. Like I may have stopped using a particular ROM because of bugs and such and move on to something else but who knows, those bugs could've been addressed already by then etc.
The thing of it is, someone will always have a different user experience from someone else. And it really depends on the person's usage of the phone. And it's really upto the user to do his/her own research. Because if we just have a thread where people will just look for whatever has the most reviews then they're just gonna jump right in to flash it perhaps without further in depth reading.. We already have a thread which is a constantly updated index of the ROMs already available. People can just start off from there, check out whatever seems appealing based on the description and jump to that thread for some further reading or ask their questions there. Opening up a thread like this might further fragment support around here. People might start asking questions on that thread, submit their complaints, ask for help, report problems etc. Even if you tell people to not do those things in that thread..well not everyone likes reading through all of the first post.
And unfortunately, not everyone is accustomed to use the ever helpful search box so they end up posting questions that already have been answered over and over again. And instead of checking out the step by step guides, they have people walk them through the process. Some people are so in a hurry to jump into custom ROMs that they end up making mistakes and bricking their phone. Some..how you say..rude users even go so far as to blame the ROM maker or the beta testers for not doing a good job because they have this or that freak bug they happen to get.
Not that I'm against helping people, especially newbies (I'm a helper on Doc's thread) but I think it would be a benefit to people especially new users to do some of their own research and discover things on their own. The respective threads of the ROMs provide more than enough information, reviews, complaints, help, guides etc.
People won't ever learn if they're spoon fed information and such all the time. I'm all for trying to make the whole experience easier for any kind of user, but I'm also all for people to do some of their own work and learn on their own. It's not just a matter of trying to save people time, it's a matter of letting people get the best user experience for them. It's not a matter of lessening the amount of people asking for help, but it's a matter of wanting them to learn.
Sometimes saving people time and effort isn't the best idea if it just gives them problems later they can't figure out on their own.
Sorry for the lengthy reply. Just my 100 pesos. Lol.
I don't mean any offense or whatever to anyone, okay? I love helping people when I have time and I just think helping people help themselves is the best. You know like..give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime..that kinda stuff.
I hope my post came off as logical and with all due respect.
Peace~
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Fair enough. Well said kabayan! Initially, i thought that this was a good idea. Looking at things now, it's not so attractive after all. haha. Salamat!
MODS: Kindly requesting the closure and deletion of this thread please. Thanks!

@anoneemooz,
Just a hypothetical question, if it happens that Samsung release a froyo rom (2.2 only) and it comes with your native language locale with Swype as well would you still be in the latest rom, or would you stick to the rom with those features?
Not trying to flame, but would like an honest opinion about this.
Maraming salamat sa inyo!

g00ndu said:
@anoneemooz,
Just a hypothetical question, if it happens that Samsung release a froyo rom (2.2 only) and it comes with your native language locale with Swype as well would you still be in the latest rom, or would you stick to the rom with those features?
Not trying to flame, but would like an honest opinion about this.
Maraming salamat sa inyo!
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Not a flame at all haha!
Well, I'm pretty used to everything being in English and I'd prefer it actually. It's a major language in the Philippines. It's my first language too so I wouldn't switch. Maybe I'd install the Swype with Filipino, but I might rarely use it since I usually stick to English or Chinese except for the occasional Filipino words which I can just type out if need be.
As for the phone's locale..I'm happy with United States or France so I'd stick to custom ROMs probably for forever. 2.2.1 ROMs have been awesome and knowing our awesome devs around here...2.3 will be even better~

g00ndu said:
@anoneemooz,
Just a hypothetical question, if it happens that Samsung release a froyo rom (2.2 only) and it comes with your native language locale with Swype as well would you still be in the latest rom, or would you stick to the rom with those features?
Not trying to flame, but would like an honest opinion about this.
Maraming salamat sa inyo!
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As English language is a working language in India, most of the users would prefer a phone with English as default. There would be some who use Hindi also. But they wouldn't miss Hindi on their phone.

best rom actually?

hi
can someone recommend a nice custom rom from the development section?
thanks
markus

Well... there is no answer, the real question is what is the best rom for you?
You'll have to try by yourself and find your answer
*yoda mode off*
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It is a matter of opinions but try cm10, i use it or aokp
These are the most popular custom roms and has alot of updates esp cm10 but aokp more customizable
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As the poster above mentioned., Cm10 or Aokp. I settled with Aokp and am pretty happy!!!
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Very happy with AOKP here as well on my GT-P5113. I haven't tried CM10 yet but I'm sure it's a smokin' ROM too!

AOKP!!

Hi,
I'm very happy with AOKP Build4 on my Tab2, CM10nightly on my P1000.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1835160
Is based on latest ota. Will flash to the 3113 and 3110.

Blackbean ROM is the best period...
But seriously it's very subjective there is no best. Try them all and see what works for you.
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Maximinus I said:
But seriously it's very subjective there is no best. Try them all and see what works for you.
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Only good answer in this thread so far. What one person thinks is the best is not the same as what you think is the best. I don't know if there are 10 different ROMs available, but you could ask 10 people the same thing and get 10 different answers, so the only option is to try everything and go from there.

imnuts said:
Only good answer in this thread so far. What one person thinks is the best is not the same as what you think is the best. I don't know if there are 10 different ROMs available, but you could ask 10 people the same thing and get 10 different answers, so the only option is to try everything and go from there.
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Strongly disagree. These are the worst answers usually spit out by those who are enthusiasts, developers or lifeless fanboys. For the rest of us who dont always have the time to flash rom after rom testing and sorting out issues then resetting up each Rom while learning the differences and quirks we ask for opinions on what Roms are working for others. Yeah Yeah Yeah, in a perfect world it would be best if we could try each and every Rom then decide which one is best but the world is not perfect and peoples schedules vary which can make things difficult for many to do just that. Besides by the time youve gone through the process of installing and testing various roms some get updated and a new one pops up. Now What?
I know many of you think this question is annoying so if thats the case dont answer. Chances are most of those who come here asking the question know that ideally they should try a bunch of different Roms but for one reason or another cant. They are looking for a starting point, or a narrowed down group to test based off recommendations.
I also disagree with the 10 people 10 different answers thing. Im willing to bet the farm (Because I dont have one) That if 10 people try AOKP JB atleast 8 will like it. Because its damn near perfect.
Ive been around here for awhile now and have used this site as a tool to deal with quite a few different devices now and on every device I have been helped or saved time finding the perfect Rom in part due to threads just like this.
Thats the end of my rant and in no way do I mean any disrespect but the only thing wrong with threads like this is too many of you miss the opportunity to make these threads better by providing good solid user feedback.

IFLATLINEI said:
Strongly disagree. These are the worst answers usually spit out by those who are enthusiasts, developers or lifeless fanboys. For the rest of us who dont always have the time to flash rom after rom testing and sorting out issues then resetting up each Rom while learning the differences and quirks we ask for opinions on what Roms are working for others. Yeah Yeah Yeah, in a perfect world it would be best if we could try each and every Rom then decide which one is best but the world is not perfect and peoples schedules vary which can make things difficult for many to do just that. Besides by the time youve gone through the process of installing and testing various roms some get updated and a new one pops up. Now What?
I know many of you think this question is annoying so if thats the case dont answer. Chances are most of those who come here asking the question know that ideally they should try a bunch of different Roms but for one reason or another cant. They are looking for a starting point, or a narrowed down group to test based off recommendations.
I also disagree with the 10 people 10 different answers thing. Im willing to bet the farm (Because I dont have one) That if 10 people try AOKP JB atleast 8 will like it. Because its damn near perfect.
Ive been around here for awhile now and have used this site as a tool to deal with quite a few different devices now and on every device I have been helped or saved time finding the perfect Rom in part due to threads just like this.
Thats the end of my rant and in no way do I mean any disrespect but the only thing wrong with threads like this is too many of you miss the opportunity to make these threads better by providing good solid user feedback.
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Well if the OP used the search button maybe he would find countless threads and answers from "lifeless fanboys" , Kinda gets boring giving every new user a run down of each ROM. So here is a post in a thread by me, made hours before on the same day , in the same forum asking the same thing. May even help If the OP actually said what Tab was involved, My crystal ball is not what it used to be
AOKP build 4 , much more control over the ROM than say CM9/10. You choose what you want and how you want it. AOKP is more suited to the tab IMO as CyanogenMod has to cater for much more devices. Constant builds and updates. Id say AOKP is for advanced users
If you like to twiddle with your devices thats the ROM for you.If you dont , then go for CM10.
If your not that bothered go for AOSP Loads of ROMs to choose from , no way of saying the "best" as it dosent exist. Its a personal choice and to be honest they are all pretty much the samething, just some slighty more customisable than others.
If you want a "Stock" experience go for anything that "RomsWell" builds as its generally stable and all the bloat/crap has been removed.
Search the forums for your specific device and check out the official threads for each ROM. If you don't know what to do ASK in the threads and people will help you out no problems as we are all mostly friendly and helpful to each other.
First thing you should be thinking about is do you want "root" access ( full control over the ROM) ? Search for your device and make sure you understand what's to be done and you have to correct tools to do it. Read it again, you be surprised how many people mess it up and then make posts for help lol.
Once you are more confident with Android , try all the ROMs out , wont cost you a penny and you can see for yourself then but say good bye to your warranty as it will be void as soon as you mess with your tab. If you read up on things you wont have any problems at all.
Good luck and have fun.
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And people wonder why they get short answers to questions.

IFLATLINEI said:
Strongly disagree. These are the worst answers usually spit out by those who are enthusiasts, developers or lifeless fanboys. For the rest of us who dont always have the time to flash rom after rom testing and sorting out issues then resetting up each Rom while learning the differences and quirks we ask for opinions on what Roms are working for others. Yeah Yeah Yeah, in a perfect world it would be best if we could try each and every Rom then decide which one is best but the world is not perfect and peoples schedules vary which can make things difficult for many to do just that. Besides by the time youve gone through the process of installing and testing various roms some get updated and a new one pops up. Now What?
I know many of you think this question is annoying so if thats the case dont answer. Chances are most of those who come here asking the question know that ideally they should try a bunch of different Roms but for one reason or another cant. They are looking for a starting point, or a narrowed down group to test based off recommendations.
I also disagree with the 10 people 10 different answers thing. Im willing to bet the farm (Because I dont have one) That if 10 people try AOKP JB atleast 8 will like it. Because its damn near perfect.
Ive been around here for awhile now and have used this site as a tool to deal with quite a few different devices now and on every device I have been helped or saved time finding the perfect Rom in part due to threads just like this.
Thats the end of my rant and in no way do I mean any disrespect but the only thing wrong with threads like this is too many of you miss the opportunity to make these threads better by providing good solid user feedback.
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By your logic, this thread is still pointless then. You can go to the development section, look at the threads, and find the most popular ROM and flash it then. While you may not like it, why should I waste my time typing a response when someone can find the most popular ROMs fairly easy by just going and looking at pageviews and number of responses for ROMs in the development section? If people want user feedback, go read different ROM threads.
Maybe people don't have time to flash everything, but how long does it take to figure out you don't like a ROM? Like 2-3 hrs at most, maybe a day or two? You could take a day or two, flash 5-6 ROMs and find out what you like best. Something new comes along, make a backup, test the new ROM, see how it compares. Big feature or change comes to a ROM you didn't like before, try it out again. Get some free time and looking for something to do, flash a ROM you haven't used before. While you may think it's inconceivable to test everything, you can sample a decent majority of the stuff out there quite easily.
Personally, I don't want AOKP, though I have never tried it, and I even moved away from CM10. I don't need 90% of the stuff that is added into them, so why would I use them? I'm guessing that most people don't even use half of the stuff available in the ROMs they flash, they just flash and use them more as a "me too" mentality when they could just find a minimal ROM that has only the features they need and use, and with AOSP, it isn't that hard to find something like that. The other reason people hate threads like this is that every new user seems to think that they deserve to have their own thread asking the same question.

imnuts said:
The other reason people hate threads like this is that every new user seems to think that they deserve to have their own thread asking the same question.
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Oh Yeah thats exactly what their thinking. Those selfish bastards How dare they ask a question. How dare they in essence take a current poll of the most popular Rom. How dare they disturb what would otherwise be a very neat and organized way to archive information on Android mods and roms. The OP isnt asking you anyways. Hes asking people who are willing to give a response worth posting. I guess ive become more tolerant of threads like this simply because to the newbie this place can be overwhelming. Also even the experienced can get a little overwhelmed when moving to a different device. Its only natural to ask questions and whether or not they seem like worthwhile questions to you doesnt matter. Leave it up to the mods to decide.
Besides just think about how many newbs didnt post this because there was already one on the first page. Lighten up. I learned alot from this site and all because someone before me was tolerant of my newb status.

IFLATLINEI said:
Oh Yeah thats exactly what their thinking. Those selfish bastards How dare they ask a question. How dare they in essence take a current poll of the most popular Rom. How dare they disturb what would otherwise be a very neat and organized way to archive information on Android mods and roms. The OP isnt asking you anyways. Hes asking people who are willing to give a response worth posting. I guess ive become more tolerant of threads like this simply because to the newbie this place can be overwhelming. Also even the experienced can get a little overwhelmed when moving to a different device. Its only natural to ask questions and whether or not they seem like worthwhile questions to you doesnt matter. Leave it up to the mods to decide.
Besides just think about how many newbs didnt post this because there was already one on the first page. Lighten up. I learned alot from this site and all because someone before me was tolerant of my newb status.
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By being tolerant of duplicate threads asking the same question over and over, you promote the same behavior in the future. If one ROM was popular yesterday, three days ago, last week, etc., do you really think the opinion on what is the best will change that much over the short amount of time? Doubtful. In that case, why is it so hard to just find the previous thread and read it? If you don't like the answer, bump it and ask for newer opinions. Maybe, just maybe, you can spend 20 minutes just reading through ROM threads in the development section and do the research yourself too, since users tend to put opinions in the thread of the ROM, and you'll also get a sense of recent issues.
I am very tolerant of anyone, not just new people, that tries to help themselves first by searching and reading first and posting second. I don't think it's too much to ask for someone to do their own research and form their own opinion on what is best for them. If you really want someone else to tell you what is the best, go buy an iPhone or iPad, otherwise, people need to stop being lazy and do the work on their own. Maybe if everyone didn't expect everything to be handed to them all the time and actually worked a little bit, the world would be a better place.

Lol....seems we might need a "what's the best "best Rom thread" thread to read" post....
I'm just saying, I've always wondered why people don't trend to just look at dev section and take note of which thread is most active, which ROM seems to have most posts on its thread lately, and use that as a starting point for "best rom". Since the threads with the most activity is most likely going to be the same users chiming in to say "Try XX ROM it's the best!"
Either way, no matter how many of these threads i see, it never gets old reading all the posts in these threads of people arguing back and forth about why the thread is or isn't necessary. quite entertaining sometimes how much people get their panties in a bunch over this lol.

What the OP and the person who claims they don't have time to flash roms is missing. Is that there is no best ROM for everyone. If you don't have the time and don't want to learn then why did you root? Stock is the best ROM for people who don't like to experiment.
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Let's support people in learning.

Guys, recent developments in the Dev forums are driving away young developers. Sure, currently, they might not be able to do much more than cook a rom, but I've used a few of those roms and for months they were a good alternative to miui. Everyone needs to start somewhere.
Sure, mistakes were made in giving props, and maybe they don't quite understand what xda fundamentally is just yet, but to start bashing them once we realized that some other developer on a different forum was able to deliver a solid cm12.1 build was rather distasteful. I would have liked for us to nurture this guy who has clearly spent a lot of time on rom development already, and could have potentially make great contributions in the future.
My 2c.
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+1, I agree... I understand the perspective of both sides, but too bad it could not have been worked out privately instead of publicly bashing each other.

I agree it is best to build not destroy
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I also found it very childish the sort of tactics you would expect from big companies like Apple.
If it was a cooked rom with some tweaks for whatever then what is the problem just get the person to state this and people can choose if they want to use it or not.
Just noticed the guy we are talking about has had to make his own board private now with people going over there and moaning.

I don't want to just be a "me too" on this topic, so I will add another point. I do cook ROMs myself occasionally, to make them what I would prefer them to be from the start. I have often wondered whether I should share my "work". Yes, it is work, and it takes a lot of time that one could spend doing gainfully something else, and it is risky, because I have bricked my devices many times in the process of cooking ROMs. I have shared some of my "work" in the past, but, given what has just transpired here, I think I will keep my work to myself in future. Even though some may benefit from it, life is too short to be taking online abuse.

Lesson learned. You can bashing whoever you want if you 'smart enough' or 'serious dev fanboy'.
Keep Bashinnggg... Yeaaay..

I agree. Now we have no dev / cooker / what the f$&% you want anymore on xda. That's only because some users think always bad instead of motivate young 'ROM workers'.
So now this very stupid people are invited to open a new thread to index original developers works, as we don't know Chinese in order to get a fuc++ng ROM from chinese web sites.
And, please, stop to be so strong with other people... Life won't be always easy as it is behind of a screen.

I'm not up to speed about what's happening around here, but looking at the dev section, I understand who the "dev" in question is. But what exactly happened?
Edit: never mind, found it.
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