Personally I would give the root bounty to Kingroot if they gave us the keys so we could root without having to be connected to the internet.
Root on Demand, even if it is temporary is better than permanent root in some respects.
If we had permanent root some of the phones features would stop working like My Knox Security and Samsung pay and some others apps won't work with root but they will work with Kingroot.
The two problems I see with Kingroot are First, Security, we don't know what information we are sharing with them. I don't like being connected to their server with a rooted phone.. And second, Reliability, they could shut the whole system down any time they get ready and we would have no recourse.
If the Kingroot team would give us the keys and the source code so we could understand how to roots our own phones, I would agree to give them the bounty. I only speak for myself and do not represent anyone connected to the Root Bounty for the Verizon Note 4 on XDA.
P.S. I have updated the updated the first and second post at Kingroot on top of My KNOX, Working Great! !
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Personally I would give the root bounty to Kingroot if they gave us the keys so we could root without having to be connected to the internet.
Root on Demand, even if it is temporary is better than permanent root in some respects.
If we had permanent root some of the phones features would stop working like My Knox Security and Samsung pay and some others apps won't work with root but they will work with Kingroot.
The two problems I see with Kingroot are First, Security, we don't know what information we are sharing with them. I don't like being connected to their server with a rooted phone.. And second, Reliability, they could shut the whole system down any time they get ready and we would have no recourse.
If the Kingroot team would give us the keys and the source code so we could understand how to roots our own phones, I would agree to give them the bounty. I only speak for myself and do not represent anyone connected to the Root Bounty for the Verizon Note 4 on XDA.
P.S. I have updated the updated the first and second post at Kingroot on top of My KNOX, Working Great! !
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whats the point of this post? They tell you what information they take and what they do with it already.
Why release their source so others can take it and make their own root tool without need of info and with supersu thus eliminating the need for their tool altogether?
Not to mention the universal exploit doesnt work on all devices so surely they have other root exploits available in those situations that some of us dont need builtt into the app.
And lastly, they alreafy released the recent exploit and how to do it at blackhat so devs can already make their own root tool using the same exploit as king root as it is.
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whats the point of this post? They tell you what information they take and what they do with it already.
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And I'm just suppose to take their word for it.............Please
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And I'm just suppose to take their word for it.............Please
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thats all you got to go off lol. until theyve been proven of wrong doing you shouldnt accuse them
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thats all you got to go off lol. until theyve been proven of wrong doing you shouldnt accuse them
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I'm not accusing them of anything but for all we know they could be part of the Chinese Government building a data base. Then when they need to they could take control of our phones. Turn the cameras on or anything. Look at all the resent hacks into government systems. Can't be to careful.
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I'm not accusing them of anything but for all we know they could be part of the Chinese Government building a data base. Then when they need to they could take control of our phones. Turn the cameras on or anything. Look at all the resent hacks into government systems. Can't be to careful.
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lol theres always hacking of govt systems and im sure the us govt we need to worry about more than foreign governments.. the NSA and the likes most likely already do that and more without anyones knowledge.
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I don't know about giving them the bounty for the info, but I'll never root my phone using such a sketchy method, temporary, permanent, or whatever else.
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I don't know about giving them the bounty for the info, but I'll never root my phone using such a sketchy method, temporary, permanent, or whatever else.
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lol the op of this thread clearly uses king root as do many others.. but luckily everyone can make their own choice.. i for one dont mind at all and nothing negative has happened to anyone at this point by using king root minus a few apps dont work with their binaries.
no one is going after ping pong root which obviously works in a very similar fashion.. your device needs to be supported and you have to download the data off the cloud as well as they use the same exploit.
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From the website http://www.kingoapp.com/faq.htm
"We manage to obtain root privilege of Android by exploiting certain undisclosed vulnerabilities, which we believe would be patched in no time once made public. And that would dysfunction this software that we've worked so hard for."
Yea right..It has already been patched in LP......
Give us the Keys
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From the website http://www.kingoapp.com/faq.htm
"We manage to obtain root privilege of Android by exploiting certain undisclosed vulnerabilities, which we believe would be patched in no time once made public. And that would dysfunction this software that we've worked so hard for."
Yea right..It has already been patched in LP......
Give us the Keys
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you do realise that isnt even king root right?
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i definitely agree with kingo root.. i tried on my tablet and it installs all kinds of crapware and ads apps that i had a hard time getting rid of.. they would even install after i deleted them and in the end it didnt even root my tablet lol
but that is a completely dif. tool/team than kingroot
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you do realise that isnt even king root right?
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i definitely agree with kingo root.. i tried on my tablet and it installs all kinds of crapware and ads apps that i had a hard time getting rid of.. they would even install after i deleted them and in the end it didnt even root my tablet lol
but that is a completely dif. tool/team than kingroot
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Just realized, your right. But why would King root provide a free service. It'seems not just to be nice?
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Just realized, your right. But why would King root provide a free service. It'seems not just to be nice?
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no root tool has charged besides sunshine to my knowledge.. donations are appreciated but technically king root works for a security firm so surely its a hobby and their job to find exploits.. plus xda rules are somewhat tricky.. theres lots on xda ppl dont charge for.
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I'm not accusing them of anything but for all we know they could be part of the Chinese Government building a data base. Then when they need to they could take control of our phones. Turn the cameras on or anything. Look at all the resent hacks into government systems. Can't be to careful.
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Then you should NEVER root your phone! Don't you realize that rooting under any method leaves your phone open to be hacked? There is no such thing as safe rooting. Even with Chainfire's Supersu...if you want your phone secure you need to root, make the changes you want then unroot quickly. It is also true that rooting via an unknown source like Kingroot or any of the other methods that have passed through in the last year or so, is even more dangerous..all of those requiring internet connections to root? It is a question you always need to ask yourself...how bad do you want root and what are you willing to risk.
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Then you should NEVER root your phone! Don't you realize that rooting under any method leaves your phone open to be hacked? There is no such thing as safe rooting. Even with Chainfire's Supersu...if you want your phone secure you need to root, make the changes you want then unroot quickly. It is also true that rooting via an unknown source like Kingroot or any of the other methods that have passed through in the last year or so, is even more dangerous..all of those requiring internet connections to root? It is a question you always need to ask yourself...how bad do you want root and what are you willing to risk.
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there's a slight difference between being open to a hack and being connected to a hacker's server with a rooted phone. They have your ip connected. What more could they ask for?
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there's a slight difference between being open to a hack and being connected to a hacker's server with a rooted phone. They have your ip connected. What more could they ask for?
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So does every site you go to and all apps that transfer data online..including games that keep track of high scores. Do you have the source code for all of those? What if they check for root then alter your phone? If you are going to put on the tin foil hat...go all out. Rooting is very dangerous.
But you are right to be wary of these Johnny-come-lately root methods. Again people should consider heavily how much are they willing to risk by rooting...even more so that which requires an internet connection.
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Then you should NEVER root your phone! Don't you realize that rooting under any method leaves your phone open to be hacked? There is no such thing as safe rooting. Even with Chainfire's Supersu...if you want your phone secure you need to root, make the changes you want then unroot quickly. It is also true that rooting via an unknown source like Kingroot or any of the other methods that have passed through in the last year or so, is even more dangerous..all of those requiring internet connections to root? It is a question you always need to ask yourself...how bad do you want root and what are you willing to risk.
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Don't all changes to the system need to be allowed by the superuser app? Also I use Adfree Android. It provides a hosts file that blocks you from going to all known malicious websites. Doesn't that give at least a pretty good measure of safety. And what about antivirus?
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Don't all changes to the system need to be allowed by the superuser app? Also I use Adfree Android. It provides a hosts file that blocks you from going to all known malicious websites. Doesn't that give at least a pretty good measure of safety.
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There are ways around that...especially if it is an unknown superuser app...we have some faith in Chainfire and his Supersu catching all requests..but as the OP stated...how do we know with unknown quantities how well their app catches superuser requests. Like rooting in general, exploits in apps can be found too. This makes you think then...what if the source is posted? Will that make it easier for hackers to find back doors?
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There are ways around that...especially if it is an unknown superuser app...we have some faith in Chainfire and his Supersu catching all requests..but as the OP stated...how do we know with unknown quantities how well their app catches superuser requests. Like rooting in general, exploits in apps can be found too. This makes you think then...what if the source is posted? Will that make it easier for hackers to find back doors?
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Yeah I'm sure you're right. Isn't hacking something that antivirus providers are working against? Or maybe there's a firewall or a sandboxing procedure that could help?
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Yeah I'm sure you're right. Isn't hacking something that antivirus providers are working against? Or maybe there's a firewall or a sandboxing procedure that could help?
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The sandbox is to use the "Personal" side of My Knox Security as a Playground as described here Kingroot on top of My KNOX, Working Great! !
This.
If anyone trust them and wants to connect to their honey trap...thats on them.
Some people seem crazy to do this just to get rooted
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there's a slight difference between being open to a hack and being connected to a hacker's server with a rooted phone. They have your ip connected. What more could they ask for?
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Hi there,
I am debating if I should root my Atrix or not. I checked out few posts and they seem a bit complecated. Also, I found this article saying carriers will track down rooted devices and restricted services.
By the way, can I still install some of Motorola o/s for dock stations? I have a multimedia and a car dock.
http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/...rooting-manufacturers-carriers.html#post65013
Any thoughts?
No one will track you down and restrict you. And it's very safe to root.
Just for apps like Adfree which kills advertisements, this is reason enough for me to root! Not to mention super helpful things like customer recovery to back things up, the ability to sideload (install non-market apps if you're on AT&T), etc.
Android is quite open source but rooting opens up another amazing realm of extremely essential apps.
bongd said:
No one will track you down and restrict you. And it's very safe to root.
Just for apps like Adfree which kills advertisements, this is reason enough for me to root! Not to mention super helpful things like customer recovery to back things up, the ability to sideload (install non-market apps if you're on AT&T), etc.
Android is quite open source but rooting opens up another amazing realm of extremely essential apps.
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I will take your word for it then! Just kidding. Would you be able recommend any good root techniques on the forum? I think there are few methods and am not sure which one is the best.
Thank you!
I say root it. I rooted mine and i love it this way. I had mine for only two days before I rooted it. I was a little nervous at first and felt that i really didnt want to do it, but the benefits were too great with a rooted phone than without a rooted phone. I am on the AT&T network and i hate it when someone tries to tell me what I can't do with something I purchased. Trust me when i say that you are going to want software that is not in the market as well.
And... I really, really love the fact that I don't need to be docked to use my WebTop.
Again... i say root it.
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I will take your word for it then! Just kidding. Would you be able recommend any good root techniques on the forum? I think there are few methods and am not sure which one is the best.
Thank you!
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Gladroot. It's the easiest and can enable tethering and sideloading as well.
You must be on 1.2.6 to root. You can run their first script which will root it. You can then do AT&T's download and run their second script which will root that too. BOOM!
It shouldn't take any longer than 10 minutes.
Well... there was that one thing where AT&T is supposedly locking out, or might be locking out phones that have been determined to be rooted. But the fact of the matter is, if they do that with absolutely no reason other than the phone being rooted, i'm sure you'll see a class action lawsuit about it since rooting/jailbreaking a cell phone is legal now according to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. The only reason i can see them disabling service is if you root it, and use one of the alternate methods of tethering, and wind up using a TON of bandwidth.... well over what anyone would even remotely do on just the phone if they didn't have any tethering package or way to tether. Then you'd basically be using their networks in a way that could be deemed illegal. But there's no issue with just rooting it to use applications not approved by the carrier or phone manufacturer.
Would you want to be admin on your own computer?
I think rooting is a must. The use of sideloading alone is worth it. I would hate to not be able to use the Amazon Appstore, Ive really come to like it.
One thing to mention though. The Blockbuster app detects root and wont allow content to be purchased because of DRM concerns. I dont know if this will be a problem with future apps.
Yeah, I did!
I rooted my Atrix with "gladroot" last night. Can't wait to customize it now.
Thank you very much for your valid inputs everyone!!!
Where are these non market apps that everyone speaks of
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One thing to mention though. The Blockbuster app detects root....
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What's Blockbuster? ;-)
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I know right. I was just using that as an example. Never know what might be blocked next.
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I know some people will wonder why I'm asking but this would be the first time I'm thinking of rooting and I wouldn't mind getting an idea of what it allows me to do with the phone. Thanks!
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Pros:
"Free" Wifi Tethering (Allows you to use phone as a Hotspot for internet)
Delete Carrier Bloatware
Eliminate Banner Ads
Backup Everything on Your Phone
Make Your Phone Run Faster (By overclocking CPU etc)
Increase Your Battery Life (By installing custom and/or underclocking CPU)
Run Any App You Like
Move/Run Apps for SD-Card (with apps like Foldermount)
Cons:
Voids Your Warranty
Overclocking Can Cause Damage
Some apps wont work with root (EG: Banking apps, Sky Go etc)
Easy to Brick your Phone (If not done correctly)
Will Make Your Phone Less Stable (If not done correctly)
Rooting Could Become Illegal
May Prevent You from Getting Updates
There all loads more reason but these are the main ones.
Titanium Pro backup All the reason I need to root
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Titanium Pro backup All the reason I need to root
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+1
Zultrax-UK said:
Pros:
"Free" Wifi Tethering (Allows you to use phone as a Hotspot for internet)
Delete Carrier Bloatware
Eliminate Banner Ads
Backup Everything on Your Phone
Make Your Phone Run Faster (By overclocking CPU etc)
Increase Your Battery Life (By installing custom and/or underclocking CPU)
Run Any App You Like
Move/Run Apps for SD-Card (with apps like Foldermount)
Cons:
Voids Your Warranty
Overclocking Can Cause Damage
Some apps wont work with root (EG: Banking apps, Sky Go etc)
Easy to Brick your Phone (If not done correctly)
Will Make Your Phone Less Stable (If not done correctly)
Rooting Could Become Illegal
May Prevent You from Getting Updates
There all loads more reason but these are the main ones.
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This is a very good list. I would just add one more PRO: rooting lets you buy a new phone more often (because you brick your old ones more often)
Seriously, one of the main reasons to root for me personally is to get rid of the banner ads for phones I prepare for older people who are prone to clicking on the banners and installing spam as the result.
Basically rooting is for people who like tinkering with their hardware.
OP, since you asked the question, I assume you have not rooted before, you should read up more about this, and maybe wait a few more days, to make sure rooting methods are stable, and you are fully familiar with the procedure. Believe me you do not want your phone accidentally bricked.
If you want some of the benefits of rooting such as the blocking banner ads you can unroot after changing the hosts file.
ill hold on rooting for now due to the cons. I dont want to break my first Droid :silly:
agree, and right now there is no full rooting toolkit for the s4 so I'll probably wait as well
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ill hold on rooting for now due to the cons. I dont want to break my first Droid :silly:
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i personally plan to wait 4-6 months before rooting... i can download stuff straight to my phone now cause of my huge sd card whereas before i would need to tether to my pc... also 9 gigs is enough for all the apps i run... i tend to be more minimalistic when it comes to downloading games etc...
so, for now i'll be fine without rooting just in case something goes wrong with it & i need to use the manufacturers warranty.
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This is a very good list. I would just add one more PRO: rooting lets you buy a new phone more often (because you brick your old ones more often)
Seriously, one of the main reasons to root for me personally is to get rid of the banner ads for phones I prepare for older people who are prone to clicking on the banners and installing spam as the result.
Basically rooting is for people who like tinkering with their hardware.
OP, since you asked the question, I assume you have not rooted before, you should read up more about this, and maybe wait a few more days, to make sure rooting methods are stable, and you are fully familiar with the procedure. Believe me you do not want your phone accidentally bricked.
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haha...nice words.
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agree, and right now there is no full rooting toolkit for the s4 so I'll probably wait as well
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I an waiting for tool kit because I'm not confident enough to do it with the current methods
How long before we can expect tool kits?
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I feel as though unless your experienced the current root methods are not noob friendly at all
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Yeah me too. But as far as i can say, I have old Galaxy S rooted, my banking apps work fine. Dont know which banking app does that root check. Remind me not to open an account, apply for credit card, take loans from that bank! :silly:
Apps no longer able to enable/disable the cellular radio without root
Rooting S4 (and all others phones) with JB 4.2.x IMHO is absolutely necessary as Google has removed the possibility for profile-manager apps to control the ON/OFF state of the cellular radio.
Unfortunately many serious users relying on time or location based profile switch are now out of luck!
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=40497
It is not easy to brick your phone. You have to not pay attention, not follow directions, and use no common sense to get there. By that last I mean you should avoid unproven root methods unless you are willing to take the risks involved that such trail blazers face.
I'm not saying that rooting is right for anyone but those with a functional brain and the ability to read and follow simple directions should have a problem free experience. A couple basics, read the directions, all of them. Make absolutely sure that this procedure is the correct procedure for your specific handset. Do not be brave, it's no fun looking at a phone that won't boot when you lack the experience to deal with it so stick with what's proven. If you are not sure after reading up on the procedure, ask. No one wants to spoon feed the lazy but learning means asking questions sometimes so having read the material do not hesitate to ask if a part of the process is unclear.
I know that root your S5 will trip knox.
I know that some have been saying that, if you root, that you can cant get connection to the update sever.
But what other issuse is there.
Sorry for the spelling, but im dyslexic.
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I know that root your S5 will trip knox.
I know that some have been saying that, if you root, that you can cant get connection to the update sever.
But what other issuse is there.
Sorry for the spelling, but im dyslexic.
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Regarding KNOX there is a massive grey area around it, will Samsung carry out warranty work if it's tripped. Some report yes, some report no, some just don't know but guess.
It's all down to you really, if you feel rooting is a benefit to you then it might be worth losing OTA/Knox(warranty) etc. I rooted my Note 3 and tripped KNOX the day I got it, and tbh I never had issues.
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Regarding KNOX there is a massive grey area around it, will Samsung carry out warranty work if it's tripped. Some report yes, some report no, some just don't know but guess.
It's all down to you really, if you feel rooting is a benefit to you then it might be worth losing OTA/Knox(warranty) etc. I rooted my Note 3 and tripped KNOX the day I got it, and tbh I never had issues.
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I got a Note 10.1 2014 and I have root it. i really like to options root gives me, like frezzing app's i dont need or use and ADAway. But im not sure to root my S5 or not to.
Ask yourself if you really need root right now, if not then don't risk it, if you do then go ahead and do what you need etc.
hmm, I think the real question is about the risk versus benefits...
Thing is I refuse to share my device with my compagny, if I own the hardware then all software limits are unacceptable.period.
Now, getting root is not for all and every user, so unless you know what you do then don't go for it...
I think that since most of our digital life happen on mobile device nowadays, empowerment is mandatory.
We can't let big company decide for us, too much is at stake.
For example, I use Xposed module with Xprivacy in order to have control over what data of mine are shared with internet.
Root only brings you control, not only choices, and that's what matter!
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hmm, I think the real question is about the risk versus benefits...
Thing is I refuse to share my device with my compagny, if I own the hardware then all software limits are unacceptable.period.
Now, getting root is not for all and every user, so unless you know what you do then don't go for it...
I think that since most of our digital life happen on mobile device nowadays, empowerment is mandatory.
We can't let big company decide for us, too much is at stake.
For example, I use Xposed module with Xprivacy in order to have control over what data of mine are shared with internet.
Root only brings you control, not only choices, and that's what matter!
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I am very interested in the privacy point you make was just wondering if you could expand on what Xposed module and xprivacy do. Sorry fairly new to rooting and mods. I have a stock Telus s5 900w8 thanks in advance
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I am very interested in the privacy point you make was just wondering if you could expand on what Xposed module and xprivacy do. Sorry fairly new to rooting and mods. I have a stock Telus s5 900w8 thanks in advance
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Xposed is a framework that allow module to run at a system level WITHOUT to have to modify your rom (it's very much alike to what winterboard is to jailbreaked Iphone).
Modules are very different from added functionality to cosmetic changes.
Xprivacy is not blocking any permissions for the apps, instead you can generate random informations and choose to give it to the apps.
The apps never crash because of Xprivacy, for example, Facebook thing I live in finland (i'm located in Asia)
So you can decide app by app what you allow and what you don't.
You'll find plenty of info about these topics here on xda!
I propose we create a Bounty for the Keys to Kingroot without a data connection that is not lost until we manually reboot. . I will start it off with a $100 pledge. Instead of calling it temporary root, I would call it Root On Demand. It some ways it is actually better than permanent root. I don't think we will ever find permanent root for the N900V unless we get a leak from Samsung.
All you have to do is reverse engineer the root that the Kingroot team has already found. It must be a simple process that is really easily adaptable to a wide variety of Android Smart-Phones, Otherwise they would sell the Application for individual use. The only reason I can think of that would make it unprofitable is that once the secret gets out anyone could do it.
We need a scientific investigation to discovers what changes are being made to the phone to attain root. It is possible to use Kingroot without even setting up a email account. If you have the apps you want to run backed up.
I would think the Kinroot root is being stored as a image file in RAM because the ROM is write protected and root is lost with a hard boot.
Root is also lost when a app first ask for root privileges. So it could be that the Kingroot root fix has to be rewritten into RAM as a bundle for each application that is added. Kingroot has to dump the last file to write a new bundle file or maybe it has to remount the system. I have found that Titanium Backup is able to put applications back on Kingroots' Root Authorization list after a factory restore, but Titanium Backup can not install the Kingroot root because the phone need to be rooted with Kingroot to run Titanium Backup. I know it's confusing. Anybody got any clues as to how it works would be appreciated.
I'm probably going to get banned for this but..... shut the edited up dude. I'm tired of your pointless posts
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I'm probably going to get banned for this but..... shut the edited up dude. I'm tired of your pointless posts
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Nah...I would never. How about this...
In the words of Captain America: "Language!"
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@doctor-cool the guy posting above me kind of has a point. It is obvious you know little about the rooting industry and methods. There is no such thing as "simply reverse engineer" processes in Android. Also no bounty would be worth it to someone like these guys. Permanent root is worth well over $100K in the private sector to specific industries. As for the reason for the data connection, Kingroot supports 1000's of models of phones and needs a specific process for certain ones, so they check which model phone you have then pull the needed files from their server and attempt root. By keeping everything on their servers they can improve the existing files and add new support when it comes about. The first company that we saw do this Kingo Root explained that it takes GBs of files to support the root method so it is impossible to package it into a reasonable size file.
Another thing to think about...if it was that easy to reverse engineer something, don't you think there would have been all kinds of copies of Chainfire's root methods and SuperSu floating around?
The exploit used was released at blackhat. Those working on the permanent root solution are doing so for sales to the private industries I mentioned. When that money is exhausted maybe some altruistic root developer will release it publicly.
So no one will get you "the keys"
It's all about the money. Why let real developers have any fun when your can make tons of money in the other sectors..... I think I'm going to just sell my Note 4, and go with something that's REALLY developer friendly, a Motorola Nexus 6. It has the BEST support of any phone I've ever seen, plus it's bootloader unlocked!
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It's all about the money. Why let real developers have any fun when your can make tons of money in the other sectors..... I think I'm going to just sell my Note 4, and go with something that's REALLY developer friendly, a Motorola Nexus 6. It has the BEST support of any phone I've ever seen, plus it's bootloader unlocked!
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Moto x as well hopefully mine gets delivered at end if this week. No more ever Samsung phone
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Moto x as well hopefully mine gets delivered at end if this week. No more ever Samsung phone
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Good bye Samsung, 'hello-moto"
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Don't get me wrong, the Note 4 is sweet. But from a developer standpoint, it's useless. I actually use the S-Pen on a regular basis.
The OP has a good point in that it would be nice not having to contact Chinese servers and waste data each time you had to re-root.
I was reading about drammer and how they have tested multiple phones on unrooting them? could someone possibly get this to work on the S7? i know it wont lead to roms, and i have no clue if this is really helpful but i just wanted to ask. and to also inform them about the this new threat.
I tried posting the web link but im "new" (what i get for not posting as much) you can just google Drammer and it should come out it is also named Rowhammer bitflips
Enlighten us. What the heck is the drammer process? You introduced the subject so let us know exactly what it is and how it works. I don't want to search.
gaz189 said:
I was reading about drammer and how they have tested multiple phones on unrooting them? could someone possibly get this to work on the S7? i know it wont lead to roms, and i have no clue if this is really helpful but i just wanted to ask. and to also inform them about the this new threat.
I tried posting the web link but im "new" (what i get for not posting as much) you can just google Drammer and it should come out it is also named Rowhammer bitflips
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Drammer roots phones, it doesn't unroot phones from what i've read....
I downloaded the apk to test if you are vulnerable and i didn't see any flips, so we may not be vulnerable. It's still too early to tell at this point...
Here is the link for the test app....
https://www.vusec.net/projects/drammer/
Also need to look in to the DirtyCow root process....
https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2016/10/25/dirtycow-linux-hole-works-on-android-too-root-at-will/
dkb218 said:
Enlighten us. What the heck is the drammer process? You introduced the subject so let us know exactly what it is and how it works. I don't want to search.
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DylanTheVillian said:
Drammer roots phones, it doesn't unroot phones from what i've read....
I downloaded the apk to test if you are vulnerable and i didn't see any flips, so we may not be vulnerable. It's still too early to tell at this point...
Here is the link for the test app....
https://www.vusec.net/projects/drammer/
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dkb: i will explain further when i am out of school and work.
and dylan that stress app is not used for unrooting it was simply a field test where they can see which phones can be compromised. but what i meant was in the same way they did can someone possibly look into developing a way. because if you scroll down they released the templating code. which they also mention they have not released it as a exploit but maybe they will and maybe from that code someone can compile a root maybe?
gaz189 said:
dkb: i will explain further when i am out of school and work.
and dylan that stress app is not used for unrooting it was simply a field test where they can see which phones can be compromised. but what i meant was in the same way they did can someone possibly look into developing a way. because if you scroll down they released the templating code. which they also mention they have not released it as a exploit but maybe they will and maybe from that code someone can compile a root maybe?
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I'm not sure you know what you're talking about... you keep saying "unroot" that would be to remove root... the exploit roots phones and allows us to gain root not remove it....
And That is exactly what i said.... "I downloaded the apk to test if you are vulnerable and i didn't see any flips, so we may not be vulnerable."
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I'm not sure you know what you're talking about... you keep saying "unroot" that would be to remove root... the exploit roots phones and allows us to gain root not remove it....
And That is exactly what i said.... "I downloaded the apk to test if you are vulnerable and i didn't see any flips, so we may not be vulnerable."
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sorry I am meaning root, just getting things mixed up, and yeah but they also stated not all device may be ticked at the same time, it can be when device is on low battery.. stuff like that. or simply we might be vulnerable, but we wont know till someone actually tries it out
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I'm not sure you know what you're talking about... you keep saying "unroot" that would be to remove root... the exploit roots phones and allows us to gain root not remove it....
And That is exactly what i said.... "I downloaded the apk to test if you are vulnerable and i didn't see any flips, so we may not be vulnerable."
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Curious... How long did it run with you? I'm running it atm (its been over 45 mins) on aggresive and its still running... ..
djr4x4 said:
Curious... How long did it run with you? I'm running it atm (its been over 45 mins) on aggresive and its still running... ..
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I didn't run on aggressive I left it at default and it didn't run for more than 2 minutes...
Is your device still responsive? Is the word flip or flips in any of the output on the screen?
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Still responsive and its still running.. the times i have glanced at it.. flips is still at 0.. its running right now and im using the phone to type this..
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Just finished and showed 0 flips..
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So far, "Drammer," as the researchers have dubbed their exploit, has successfully rooted the following handsets: the Nexus 4, Nexus 5, and G4 from LG; Moto G models from 2013 and 2014 made by Motorola; the Galaxy S4 and Galaxy S5 from Samsung; and the One from OnePlus. In some cases, the results aren't always consistent. For example, only 12 of the 15 Nexus 5 models were successfully rooted, while only one of two Galaxy S5 were compromised.
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ref: http://arstechnica.com/security/201...tflips-to-root-android-phones-is-now-a-thing/
It's not even a sure bet with the Samsung phones two generations ago. So I doubt that it'll work.