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Sony are busy congratulating themselves about bringing the new android 6 Marshmallow upgrade to Sony devices.
http://blogs.sonymobile.com/2015/10/06/sony-xperia-and-android-6-0-marshmallow/
Think it's pretty crappy that the Z1 and Z1 compact are not included. Great expected life cycle for their products. Most new handsets in UK are on a 2 year contract. Shame they can't provide updates for at least that long before expecting you to get a shiny new phone (with another 2 year contract).
Seriously thinking that the Z1C will be my last Sony product.
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Sony are busy congratulating themselves about bringing the new android 6 Marshmallow upgrade to Sony devices.
http://blogs.sonymobile.com/2015/10/06/sony-xperia-and-android-6-0-marshmallow/
Think it's pretty crappy that the Z1 and Z1 compact are not included. Great expected life cycle for their products. Most new handsets in UK are on a 2 year contract. Shame they can't provide updates for at least that long before expecting you to get a shiny new phone (with another 2 year contract).
Seriously thinking that the Z1C will be my last Sony product.
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That would be really a shame, the z1c isn't "old" and there are no hardware limitations for getting an update. z1c was released in Europe January/February 2014.
I was opitimistic until today that my device would get the Marshmallow update. I'm curious if they will at least deliver security fixes for 5.1.1.
When you say that you will now switch to another brand - well, please tell me, who sells a smartphone < 4,7 " with high end hardware and better support?
Good question grisu59964. Hopefully by the time my contract is up in May 2016 something new and shiny will catch my eye.
I've had Sony phones since they bought into Ericsson and to be honest they're not always great. Loved the 1st Walkman phone. (still have it in a drawer) But the Xperia U stands out as a particularly bad example. It couldn't even run Sonys own update to ICS.
Still, even with its faults like not locking the screen while its against my ear during a call, or the mysterious battery drains, random restarts, music player volume and the previous shoddy updates I do kind of like my Z1C.
I guess it's nearly time to root and add a nice custom 6.0 rom.
Lets post that we need it
https://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Soft...arshmallow-Which-Xperias-will-be/td-p/1033227
And comment here
http://blogs.sonymobile.com/2015/10/06/sony-xperia-and-android-6-0-marshmallow/
Seems that the Z1 will be included in the second batch, so hopefully that means that the Z1C will be included as well.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Comp...ow-leaks-includes-Samsung-Sony-and-LG_id74400
Thats sad. I still hope 6.0 will come to z1 even if its not in the list. Like some said, there is no sence on leaving the z1 behind with a Snap 800. I would like very much to see the efficiency of the battery saving that has been developed in 6.0.
yes, it is sad, but I hope there will be CyanogenMod 13 very soon
I was just about to buy a z1c too lol, guess I'll go with the samsung alpha.
Do your duty! - https://www.change.org/p/sony-mobile-company-android-6-0-marshmallow-for-sony-xperia-z1-compact
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I was just about to buy a z1c too lol, guess I'll go with the samsung alpha.
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http://www.phonearena.com/news/Complete-list-of-phones-to-get-Android-6-Marshmallow-leaks-includes-Samsung-Sony-and-LG_id74400
This link said Z1/Z1c actually will be in second batch but guess that will be in the middle of 2016.
I've got a S6 and Z1c. In my experiences, Samsung camera focus speed blows Z1c away(picture quality indeed Z1c still doing good though not as nice as S6) but if you need waterproof and microSD then Z1c better and much cheaper. Alpha is a bit expensive, you should compare it with Z3c in this price range.
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I was opitimistic until today that my device would get the Marshmallow update. I'm curious if they will at least deliver security fixes for 5.1.1.
When you say that you will now switch to another brand - well, please tell me, who sells a smartphone < 4,7 " with high end hardware and better support?
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Quiet simple : xiaomi is the choice i will change to. It's a software engineer, using the phones as a bridge between user and software. They're producing without win merges, the only contra is the online selling and the shipping duration. Regarding price - hardware related stuff it's the best at the moment.
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Quiet simple : xiaomi is the choice i will change to. It's a software engineer, using the phones as a bridge between user and software. They're producing without win merges, the only contra is the online selling and the shipping duration. Regarding price - hardware related stuff it's the best at the moment.
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Unfortunately, Xiaomi has only devices starting at 5" display size (size comparison). And who says that Xiaomi will provide software support in two years? Unfortunately, not really an alternative.
For now, I hope that CM 13 will make us forget that we use officially obsolete hardware.
heck. Z1 Compact is exact same specs of Nexus5 and not getting Android 6.x?
Z1C is more than capable. its just that Sony wants us to upgrade to Z5 Compact, so they won't make official marshmallow rom for it.
its the usual term : planned obsolesence.
As the updates are flowing in, i feel we've been followed much closely now, so on second thoughts, I'd go back to symbian and have Linux based laptop, sorted. Why can't we port gingerbread on contemporary handset? An OEM will never be complete and a custom rom would never match OEM's algorithms, catch 22. Look where CM had started and what now it has become same sh*t in different way.
Every company wants control but I have faith in Developers, especially independent. And all this "security" thing is overrated, what are trying to hide anyway? rather from whom? I mean, as a consumer.
Have you signed this petition?
https://www.change.org/p/sony-mobile-company-android-6-0-marshmallow-for-sony-xperia-z1-compact
Go for it. Takes just a few seconds.
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Z1c is mini Z1, witch is 95% Z2. why oh why not do it.
I get the original Z that has S4 pro processor ... but Z1 has SD800 and Z2 SD801 witch is same just bumped up frequencies ...
Meh ..
Side question, If I Bootloader unlock my Z1c, i know i lose the DRM keys, but what exactly i lose in functionality ? lower camera performance like on Z3c?
It would be shame if Sony would just drop Z1c. Leaving it with Stragefright 2.0... The phone should get the update.
I won't change this phone for at least another 1 1/2 years, so marschmallow would be great to stay with...
shame on sony, if they drop the suppport..
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It would be shame if Sony would just drop Z1c. Leaving it with Stragefright 2.0... The phone should get the update.
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I thought 5.1 fixed it - http://www.ibtimes.com/android-511-...ria-z1-z1-compact-z-ultra-rolling-out-2096910 - or is there another one?
according to this blog post by Sony: http://blogs.sonymobile.com/2016/08/23/sony-xperia-and-android-7-0-nougat/
We will make Android 7.0, Nougat available for: Xperia Z3+, Xperia Z4 Tablet, Xperia Z5, Xperia Z5 Compact, Xperia Z5 Premium, Xperia X, Xperia XA, Xperia XA Ultra and Xperia X Performance
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najodleglejszy said:
according to this blog post by Sony: http://blogs.sonymobile.com/2016/08/23/sony-xperia-and-android-7-0-nougat/
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If that’s true, unless an Xperia play 2 comes out, I won’t buy a Sony phone again.
z3 will get Nougat,since even Z got it's Lollipop 5.1 updates
Bye sony hello new nexus...
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z3 will get Nougat,since even Z got it's Lollipop 5.1 updates
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it won't, sorry for that. Announced by Sony developers
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Bye sony hello new nexus...
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Same here
Wtf the Z3 gets dev preview but doesn't get official update,that is the bigger bulls*it ever
Hold your [email protected], people...
I think it's not a final word from them... remember that original Xperia Z received the updates being 2 years old. Just relax and wait, maybe they'll change their mind.
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I don't see it having developer builds and not the final one
What option do we have for longtime support for Z3 Compact? There is no official Cyanogen mod support either?
This sucks. Just bought another z3 because I smashed the screen on my last one. Still my all time fave Android phone.
i used sonymobile 3 product
play no upgrade to 4
SP no upgrade to 4.4
and last z3c no upgrade to 7 due to use cpu 32 bit
i think next mobile is Nexus Sailfish
but i waiting see xperia XR if it has speed shutter
may be buy sony again hahahaha
This is from concept google+ community:
Regarding Nougat Android 7.0 update
We know that you all hoped for a N release and we really wanted to give you one but instead we have to tell you that we won't be able to.
The reasons are both technical and legal. If you followed the N Developer Preview program you know that we didn't release the final DP5. That program ran into some unforeseen limitations (1) that could not be resolved.
This is the reason that both concept and official won't be upgraded to Android N (2).
(1) https://developer.sony.com/2016/07/...ed-for-xperia-z3/comment-page-2/#comment-1025
(2) http://blogs.sonymobile.com/2016/08/23/sony-xperia-and-android-7-0-nougat/
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This is from concept google+ community:
Regarding Nougat Android 7.0 update
We know that you all hoped for a N release and we really wanted to give you one but instead we have to tell you that we won't be able to.
The reasons are both technical and legal. If you followed the N Developer Preview program you know that we didn't release the final DP5. That program ran into some unforeseen limitations (1) that could not be resolved.
This is the reason that both concept and official won't be upgraded to Android N (2).
(1) https://developer.sony.com/2016/07/...ed-for-xperia-z3/comment-page-2/#comment-1025
(2) http://blogs.sonymobile.com/2016/08/23/sony-xperia-and-android-7-0-nougat/
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must sux for the sony devs. looks like they tried to pull it off but execs came and said no.
Please read again the link, it says and i quote,
"We’ve been working hard to bring this major update to as many of our devices as possible, as quickly as we can. We’re really excited about the new Sony features & functionality and the improvements we’ve made to the user experience – and we’ll be sharing more soon… so stay tuned to the blog and @SonyMobileNews for all the latest news on timings and features."
http://blogs.sonymobile.com/2016/08/...id-7-0-nougat/
Seems that Google removed the support for Snapdragon 800/801 from the Kernel, that's what they call unforeseen limitations (the Nexus 5, Snapdragon 800 don't get the update either).
Such an unpopular decision for a very popular device, like z3(c).
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Seems that Google removed the support for Snapdragon 800/801 from the Kernel, that's what they call unforeseen limitations (the Nexus 5, Snapdragon 800 don't get the update either).
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pekingG said:
This is from concept google+ community:
Regarding Nougat Android 7.0 update
We know that you all hoped for a N release and we really wanted to give you one but instead we have to tell you that we won't be able to.
The reasons are both technical and legal. If you followed the N Developer Preview program you know that we didn't release the final DP5. That program ran into some unforeseen limitations (1) that could not be resolved.
This is the reason that both concept and official won't be upgraded to Android N (2).
(1) https://developer.sony.com/2016/07/...ed-for-xperia-z3/comment-page-2/#comment-1025
(2) http://blogs.sonymobile.com/2016/08/23/sony-xperia-and-android-7-0-nougat/
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Can someone please pin these in the main post?
Maybe its because of chipset is X86
Yasin.Dogan said:
Maybe its because of chipset is X86
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Well.... Z3 and Z3 Compact doesn't use any X86 chipset, it uses a arm-based chipset (Snapdragon 801 namely), and the reason Sony can't bring the upgrade to the Z3 and Z3 Compact is becuase Google removed support for the Snapdragon 801.
I look at sites where they make reviews and news about new phones and I realised, that Xiaomi releases a new phone like every two weeks. Redmi, Mi Series and then numbers and after the numbers letters etc. I get the impression, that especial for the redmi series they release a phone and then they don't seem to care much about it. I bought the redmi note 2 in autumn last year. It was new but I had to get it from china. It took three weeks to come and then just a couple of weeks later redmi note 3 was released. The redmi note 2 is more or less one year old but I feel like it's from 2012. Especially when it comes to an official Android Update.
So I would like to know if it is just my impression or is that normal?
True, there is Redmi Note 4 on sales now, and only a year passed from Note 2 release. And the problem with android update, because we have MTK chip, no sources to make newer version, common problem with MTK. I will never buy an MTK phone in the future...
I think that they released RN3 because they realized that RN2 is too hungry in terms of power.
In fact it used the same SOC but they put a 4100mAh battery inside it.
About MTK, sure they don't provide a long term support in term of software updates.
Anyway my previous MTK phone (not from xiaomi) received the upgrade from Jelly Bean to KitKat about 7 months later (with several test builds in the middle).
Phone models from other vendors using the same SOC of RN2 received the upgrade, so in this case is not an exclusive MTK's fault.
BTW, we are still here talking about Marshmallow when Nougat is out and 7.1 should be live on December...
btw Jiayu S3 with MTK 6752 got unnoficial fully working 7.1 nougat update
http://forum.xda-developers.com/jiayu-s3/development/rom-unofficial-aosp-n-jiayu-s3-t3451923
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I think that they released RN3 because they realized that RN2 is too hungry in terms of power.
In fact it used the same SOC but they put a 4100mAh battery inside it.
About MTK, sure they don't provide a long term support in term of software updates.
Anyway my previous MTK phone (not from xiaomi) received the upgrade from Jelly Bean to KitKat about 7 months later (with several test builds in the middle).
Phone models from other vendors using the same SOC of RN2 received the upgrade, so in this case is not an exclusive MTK's fault.
BTW, we are still here talking about Marshmallow when Nougat is out and 7.1 should be live on December...
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Couldn't they then release a better battery or solve it somehow with software updates? We can remove the cover and change the battery. That's the point, why do they release new phones every second week when it has flaws. I get the impression that they are overhasty. And now they focus on the new releases and it seems like they don't care about rn2.
The phone is good for it's price but I am a little bit disappointed with the service and the communication between producer and the costumers.
In the past they were many projects and people working on custom roms but that decreased
No China manufacturer is good at customer or product support - not even in their own country. When you have a huge passing trade (the population of China), the concept of reputation means much less than in countries of smaller populations. It is the same principal as how businesses operate in small towns versus large cities anywhere in the world.
The RN2 is a lot of phone for the dollars only let down by factory software that is nothing more than an early engineering release.
@gasperoni Brainless noobs making endless and mindless demands of the already scarce devs has driven them away. Parents, please take the SIM out before giving these phones to your infants as toys
if they have the money to do it, i dont see why not. that way, us consumers can choose any phones/specs as we please from Xiaomi.
surely never MTK
Nope never an MTK for me either and I will not even consider a Chinese phone in the future, or at least many years to come. Had several Chinese phones and tables during five to six years always something wrong with them. Either the GPS is ****ty the reception, the battery, the camera or whatnot. I spent my hard earned money on a Sony Xperia Z5 Premium and for the tablet Samsung Galaxy Tab S2. Yes it did hurt a little because the brands are much more expensive. But boy, they do work from day ONE. And never had a glitch. It's well worth the money and it only hurt me once.
Sony Z5 Premium
I have a Redmi Note 2 and I was thinking about to upgrade to Redmi Note 4 for the Ram, battery and Camcorder... But it seems that it has the same frame-laggy camcorder problem of the Redmi Note 2 (this problem is sooo Mediatek)
In case someone has missed it, the Z4 Tablet is not on Sonys list with devices that will get the update. Since it is Sonys last tablet and still one of the best Android tablet I think it would have made sense to keep it updated.
It runs okay with stock 7.1.1 but some of the Oreo updates would be nice to have, like improved multi window support and picture-in-picture.
I guess there will be some custom ROMs to try out, but in this case I actually like Sonys UI better, with the keyboard support (shortcuts and start menu etc.).
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In case someone has missed it, the Z4 Tablet is not on Sonys list with devices that will get the update. Since it is Sonys last tablet and still one of the best Android tablet I think it would have made sense to keep it updated.
It runs okay with stock 7.1.1 but some of the Oreo updates would be nice to have, like improved multi window support and picture-in-picture.
I guess there will be some custom ROMs to try out, but in this case I actually like Sonys UI better, with the keyboard support (shortcuts and start menu etc.).
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Source for the Z4 tablets not getting Oreo?
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Source for the Z4 tablets not getting Oreo?
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https://blogs.sonymobile.com/2017/08/31/xperia-android-8-0-oreo/
Wow, that sucks.
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This is the latest tablet in Sony portfolio.
No Oreo = I will never again buy Sony device.
Howgh.
Without sources It's hard to make custom oreo rom. But it definately possible as it is with xiaomi redmi note 2, for example.
Since z5 itself it not getting oreo then it was obvious the tablet as well. If sony do as always then we will have AOSP release from them for this tablet and z5
Very disappointed ?
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From what I understand there will be no BSP for Oreo on the 810 processor based SOC. It's tough to blame Sony for this one, IMHO this lands on Qualcomm.
No. It's Sony responsibility to push Quallcomm.
Most sony devices use mediatek now so probably Qualcomm no longer is a good partner for Sony
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From what I understand there will be no BSP for Oreo on the 810 processor based SOC. It's tough to blame Sony for this one, IMHO this lands on Qualcomm.
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There are phones with 810 SOC that has gotten Oreo already so that is false.
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There are phones with 810 SOC that has gotten Oreo already so that is false.
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...such as?
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...such as?
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Nexus 6P and maybe others.
Any other examples?
I'm not sure which kernel is running on 6p on oreo, but on my nexus 5x (oreo 8.1) it's 3.10. This is a violation of google policy that for oreo kernel must be at least 4.4.
So i would suspect that 6p is an exception confirming the rule.
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Any other examples?
I'm not sure which kernel is running on 6p on oreo, but on my nexus 5x (oreo 8.1) it's 3.10. This is a violation of google policy that for oreo kernel must be at least 4.4.
So i would suspect that 6p is an exception confirming the rule.
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That's not really correct, according to Google's kernel version requirements:
- All SoCs productized in 2017 must launch with kernel 4.4 or newer.
- All other SoCs launching new Android devices running Android 8.0 must use kernel 3.18 or newer.
- Regardless of launch date, all SoCs with device launches on Android 8.0 remain subject to kernel changes required to enable Treble.
-Older Android devices released prior to Android 8.0 but that will be upgraded to Android 8.0 can continue to use their original base kernel version if desired.
Source: https://source.android.com/devices/architecture/kernel/modular-kernels#core-kernel-requirements
I think even the Pixel / Pixel XL is running Oreo on 3.18 kernels.
Its like when the snap 801 devices didnt get nougat all over again. Google are good at killing worthy devices. All 801 devices were perfectly fine and capable of running nougat but it was never offically supported. Its also like the Sony SmartWatch 3 how they killed that with no AW 2.0 update. It has nfc which can be used for Android pay but is now useless without AW 2.0. Also the SmartWatch 3 has WiFi and alot of other things some android wear 2.0 devices dont have. Google just keep killing our devices with less updates to make us buy new ones.
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Its like when the snap 801 devices didnt get nougat all over again. Google are good at killing worthy devices. All 801 devices were perfectly fine and capable of running nougat but it was never offically supported. Its also like the Sony SmartWatch 3 how they killed that with no AW 2.0 update. It has nfc which can be used for Android pay but is now useless without AW 2.0. Also the SmartWatch 3 has WiFi and alot of other things some android wear 2.0 devices dont have. Google just keep killing our devices with less updates to make us buy new ones.
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Why do you keep blaming Google for this? Google did update their own devices with the same chipset as Sony Tablet Z4 (Nexus 6P) or lower spec (Nexus 5X) to Oreo.
The Nexus and even Pixels runs 3.x kernels too so Google is not stopping Sony from updating the Z3+/Z4/Z5-series to Oreo!
Regarding the SmartWatch 3, again why blame Google for this? It has the Snapdragon 400 chipset which is compatible with Wear 2.0 (LG updated their G-watches with SD400 to Wear 2.0).
Instead it was Sony that stated something like "SwartWatch 3 runs better with it's current version of Wear". The same BS excuse that Sony and other OEMs often use when they abandon fully capable products.
Google can't force OEMs to update their devices, the just give them the tools to do it. Which in these cases Sony don't want to use.
According to xperiablog, SONY just sold 18300 Z4 Tablets. I am pretty sure the customer wants to use a current OS with security patches.
http://www.xperiablog.net/2018/01/26/french-police-make-huge-order-for-sony-xperia-devices/
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According to xperiablog, SONY just sold 18300 Z4 Tablets. I am pretty sure the customer wants to use a current OS with security patches.
http://www.xperiablog.net/2018/01/26/french-police-make-huge-order-for-sony-xperia-devices/
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According to the article they will run a (modified) stock version of Android. The demo unit in the photo seems to be running Jelly Bean or KitKat!
Do you guys think that the xperia x compact will get the update to Android P?
No. Z5 compact didn't get oreo, so X compact will not get P. Maybe we will get 8.1.
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Do you guys think that the xperia x compact will get the update to Android P?
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Probaly yes. Sony’s official Android upgrade policy, it that premium devices are supported for two years after the device has launched. X compact will complete two years in the end of this year, so probaly yes!
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Probaly yes. Sony’s official Android upgrade policy, it that premium devices are supported for two years after the device has launched. X compact will complete two years in the end of this year, so probaly yes!
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And how can you explain that Z5C, released in late Sept. 2015, didn't get oreo, released in Aug. 2017? Support means security updates and not new Android versions.
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No. Z5 compact didn't get oreo, so X compact will not get P. Maybe we will get 8.1.
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Maybe germans will get x compact oreo update? Its a farce. I think P update only for XZ...
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Maybe germans will get x compact oreo update? Its a farce. I think P update only for XZ...
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I don't understand. X compact already has oreo 8.0. Maybe it will get 8.1., but not P (9.x).
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And how can you explain that Z5C, released in late Sept. 2015, didn't get oreo, released in Aug. 2017? Support means security updates and not new Android versions.
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Well, first of all, Sony did not have a clear policy of commitment to update the software for a certain period, and decided to adopt two years, endorsing the line of updates made by Google.
In addition, Sandar Pichai, CEO's Google, during Pixel 2's presentation on October 4 last year, has ensured that it will take the necessary steps for manufacturers to make updates for the same period, encouraging frequent updates to the Android system, which is largely not the case yet.
About Z5 and the Z5 compact, I can not say specifically. For example, the Z3 compact did not receive the Android Nougat because of a technical issue related to some unforeseen limitations of the platform that did not allow updating. These include the need for updated devices to have graphics that support Vulkan and OpenGL ES 3.1. Thus, devices running Adreno 3XX graphics - present on Snapdragon 800 and Snapdragon 801 - can not be upgraded, since processors only support OpenGL ES 3.0. As I said earlier, Google has committed to ensure that these contingencies will be reduced within two years period. Thus, it is likely, however, not certain that Sony will be authorized to upgrade its devices to Android P, and following the internal policy of the company to carry out the updates.
So, let's hope
OK, you are obviously better informed than me. So let's see...
also it's worth mentioning that Sony was not very kind to z5 series in terms of upgrading and X series were much better, however let's not forget that X compact has the same processor as the X so it's either they update both these phones to P or they update neither of them because X was released 6 months before Xc (if Im not mistaken) so the support would be over soon if not already...
They did update the Xperia Z to lollipop 5.1, almost 2 and a half years after it was launched, so maybe the X will get Android P as well; then again, 5.1 wasn't a huge update from 5.0, so, the probability is quite low that either the X Compact or the X will get the update.
Let's hope there won't be a performance dip if we do get the update tho.
I don't think so.
I can't be sure, it's more a sensation.
Maybe we'll get 8.1.
Or worse, left to "patched" 8.0.