Sony are busy congratulating themselves about bringing the new android 6 Marshmallow upgrade to Sony devices.
http://blogs.sonymobile.com/2015/10/06/sony-xperia-and-android-6-0-marshmallow/
Think it's pretty crappy that the Z1 and Z1 compact are not included. Great expected life cycle for their products. Most new handsets in UK are on a 2 year contract. Shame they can't provide updates for at least that long before expecting you to get a shiny new phone (with another 2 year contract).
Seriously thinking that the Z1C will be my last Sony product.
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marshmallow z1c
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Sony are busy congratulating themselves about bringing the new android 6 Marshmallow upgrade to Sony devices.
http://blogs.sonymobile.com/2015/10/06/sony-xperia-and-android-6-0-marshmallow/
Think it's pretty crappy that the Z1 and Z1 compact are not included. Great expected life cycle for their products. Most new handsets in UK are on a 2 year contract. Shame they can't provide updates for at least that long before expecting you to get a shiny new phone (with another 2 year contract).
Seriously thinking that the Z1C will be my last Sony product.
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That would be really a shame, the z1c isn't "old" and there are no hardware limitations for getting an update. z1c was released in Europe January/February 2014.
I was opitimistic until today that my device would get the Marshmallow update. I'm curious if they will at least deliver security fixes for 5.1.1.
When you say that you will now switch to another brand - well, please tell me, who sells a smartphone < 4,7 " with high end hardware and better support?
Good question grisu59964. Hopefully by the time my contract is up in May 2016 something new and shiny will catch my eye.
I've had Sony phones since they bought into Ericsson and to be honest they're not always great. Loved the 1st Walkman phone. (still have it in a drawer) But the Xperia U stands out as a particularly bad example. It couldn't even run Sonys own update to ICS.
Still, even with its faults like not locking the screen while its against my ear during a call, or the mysterious battery drains, random restarts, music player volume and the previous shoddy updates I do kind of like my Z1C.
I guess it's nearly time to root and add a nice custom 6.0 rom.
Lets post that we need it
https://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Soft...arshmallow-Which-Xperias-will-be/td-p/1033227
And comment here
http://blogs.sonymobile.com/2015/10/06/sony-xperia-and-android-6-0-marshmallow/
Seems that the Z1 will be included in the second batch, so hopefully that means that the Z1C will be included as well.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Comp...ow-leaks-includes-Samsung-Sony-and-LG_id74400
Thats sad. I still hope 6.0 will come to z1 even if its not in the list. Like some said, there is no sence on leaving the z1 behind with a Snap 800. I would like very much to see the efficiency of the battery saving that has been developed in 6.0.
yes, it is sad, but I hope there will be CyanogenMod 13 very soon
I was just about to buy a z1c too lol, guess I'll go with the samsung alpha.
Do your duty! - https://www.change.org/p/sony-mobile-company-android-6-0-marshmallow-for-sony-xperia-z1-compact
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I was just about to buy a z1c too lol, guess I'll go with the samsung alpha.
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http://www.phonearena.com/news/Complete-list-of-phones-to-get-Android-6-Marshmallow-leaks-includes-Samsung-Sony-and-LG_id74400
This link said Z1/Z1c actually will be in second batch but guess that will be in the middle of 2016.
I've got a S6 and Z1c. In my experiences, Samsung camera focus speed blows Z1c away(picture quality indeed Z1c still doing good though not as nice as S6) but if you need waterproof and microSD then Z1c better and much cheaper. Alpha is a bit expensive, you should compare it with Z3c in this price range.
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I was opitimistic until today that my device would get the Marshmallow update. I'm curious if they will at least deliver security fixes for 5.1.1.
When you say that you will now switch to another brand - well, please tell me, who sells a smartphone < 4,7 " with high end hardware and better support?
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Quiet simple : xiaomi is the choice i will change to. It's a software engineer, using the phones as a bridge between user and software. They're producing without win merges, the only contra is the online selling and the shipping duration. Regarding price - hardware related stuff it's the best at the moment.
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Quiet simple : xiaomi is the choice i will change to. It's a software engineer, using the phones as a bridge between user and software. They're producing without win merges, the only contra is the online selling and the shipping duration. Regarding price - hardware related stuff it's the best at the moment.
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Unfortunately, Xiaomi has only devices starting at 5" display size (size comparison). And who says that Xiaomi will provide software support in two years? Unfortunately, not really an alternative.
For now, I hope that CM 13 will make us forget that we use officially obsolete hardware.
heck. Z1 Compact is exact same specs of Nexus5 and not getting Android 6.x?
Z1C is more than capable. its just that Sony wants us to upgrade to Z5 Compact, so they won't make official marshmallow rom for it.
its the usual term : planned obsolesence.
As the updates are flowing in, i feel we've been followed much closely now, so on second thoughts, I'd go back to symbian and have Linux based laptop, sorted. Why can't we port gingerbread on contemporary handset? An OEM will never be complete and a custom rom would never match OEM's algorithms, catch 22. Look where CM had started and what now it has become same sh*t in different way.
Every company wants control but I have faith in Developers, especially independent. And all this "security" thing is overrated, what are trying to hide anyway? rather from whom? I mean, as a consumer.
Have you signed this petition?
https://www.change.org/p/sony-mobile-company-android-6-0-marshmallow-for-sony-xperia-z1-compact
Go for it. Takes just a few seconds.
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Z1c is mini Z1, witch is 95% Z2. why oh why not do it.
I get the original Z that has S4 pro processor ... but Z1 has SD800 and Z2 SD801 witch is same just bumped up frequencies ...
Meh ..
Side question, If I Bootloader unlock my Z1c, i know i lose the DRM keys, but what exactly i lose in functionality ? lower camera performance like on Z3c?
It would be shame if Sony would just drop Z1c. Leaving it with Stragefright 2.0... The phone should get the update.
I won't change this phone for at least another 1 1/2 years, so marschmallow would be great to stay with...
shame on sony, if they drop the suppport..
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It would be shame if Sony would just drop Z1c. Leaving it with Stragefright 2.0... The phone should get the update.
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I thought 5.1 fixed it - http://www.ibtimes.com/android-511-...ria-z1-z1-compact-z-ultra-rolling-out-2096910 - or is there another one?
Related
Last week you probably saw Google announce Android version 4.4; Kit Kat…
We’ve seen lots of questions on our Android upgrade roadmap and equally, we have lots to tell you, so here’s a note on just that…
First up, Jelly Bean 4.3
We’re pleased to tell you that we’ll start rolling Android 4.3 for Xperia Z, Xperia ZL, Xperia ZR, Xperia Tablet Z, Xperia SP, Xperia Z Ultra and Xperia Z1 from next month*.
We also mentioned that a few of our products would be jumping software version – so, we can confirm that Xperia T, Xperia TX and Xperia V* will be upgraded to Android Jelly Bean 4.3… also from next month.
And, to Kit Kat 4.4
We’re also happy to tell you about the first raft of Xperia products that we’ll make Android 4.4 Kit Kat available for – they are: Xperia Z, Xperia ZL, Xperia Tablet Z, Xperia Z Ultra and Xperia Z1*.
On that, please stay tuned to the social newsroom and @SonyMobileNews, where we’ll update you with specific info on product upgrade timings & software features as things progress.
If you have any questions or comments, feel free to drop them below.
*Software rollouts are a phased process – timings & availability may vary by market / carrier
SOURCE - http://blogs.sonymobile.com/2013/11/07/on-jelly-bean-4-3-kit-kat-4-4/
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KitKat firmware (14.3.A.0.681) certified for Xperia Z1 and Xperia Z1 Compact
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2686232
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UPDATE 2 -
Android 4.4; KitKat, rolls for Xperia Z Ultra, Xperia Z1 and Xperia Z1 Compact
http://blogs.sonymobile.com/2014/03...eria-z-ultra-xperia-z1-and-xperia-z1-compact/
Lets hope to be true, its not hard for that, Android of Sony is very clean.
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I kinda doubt this. android 4.4 should be announced by google later this months, then it is highly unlikely that sony would be able to release it for the Z1 on the 7th of November. But I really wish they can, I even wish they skip 4.3 and focus on 4.4, if we can get it before the end of this year then hell yeah
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I kinda doubt this. android 4.4 should be announced by google later this months, then it is highly unlikely that sony would be able to release it for the Z1 on the 7th of November. But I really wish they can, I even wish they skip 4.3 and focus on 4.4, if we can get it before the end of this year then hell yeah
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i think this is very possible... google usually releases the source codes to manufacturers weeks before they officially lunch a new version...
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I kinda doubt this. android 4.4 should be announced by google later this months, then it is highly unlikely that sony would be able to release it for the Z1 on the 7th of November. But I really wish they can, I even wish they skip 4.3 and focus on 4.4, if we can get it before the end of this year then hell yeah
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fyi kitkat is already announced and it is going to be released later this month.
manufacturers gets source code before official launch as the guy above me said.
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i think this is very possible... google usually releases the source codes to manufacturers weeks before they officially lunch a new version...
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fyi kitkat is already announced and it is going to be released later this month.
manufacturers gets source code before official launch as the guy above me said.
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I know that this is the case, but this has been the case so long ago (not with android 4.4), yet manufacturers take months before releasing the updates. 4.3 rolled out months ago but you could barely find phones already have 4.3 (apart from note 3 and HTC one) even the SGS4 which used to get updates before anyone else didn't get it yet UNLESS manufacturers already decided to skip 4.3 and focused to get 4.4 faster.
Again I really wish that Sony release 4.4 in November or even earlier (I am not against that, I have the Z1 myself) but as I said before it is highly unlikely.
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I know that this is the case, but this has been the case so long ago (not with android 4.4), yet manufacturers take months before releasing the updates. 4.3 rolled out months ago but you could barely find phones already have 4.3 (apart from note 3 and HTC one) even the SGS4 which used to get updates before anyone else didn't get it yet UNLESS manufacturers already decided to skip 4.3 and focused to get 4.4 faster.
Again I really wish that Sony release 4.4 in November or even earlier (I am not against that, I have the Z1 myself) but as I said before it is highly unlikely.
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what you say is true but I guess the chasing pack (HTC, LG, Sony) are maybe just realizing the importance of timely updates (that probably was a factor in Samsung's ascendance. HTC lost the android crown because it just lost lots of loyal customers who never saw any updates). Since Hardware is more or less commoditized already, the turf wars are gonna be fought on Software front. Faster updates could be USP and Sony might want to claim bragging rights (porting might be easier/faster for Sony as they are almost stock anyway!
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what you say is true but I guess the chasing pack (HTC, LG, Sony) are maybe just realizing the importance of timely updates (that probably was a factor in Samsung's ascendance. HTC lost the android crown because it just lost lots of loyal customers who never saw any updates). Since Hardware is more or less commoditized already, the turf wars are gonna be fought on Software front. Faster updates could be USP and Sony might want to claim bragging rights (porting might be easier/faster for Sony as they are almost stock anyway!
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I totally agree with you. Sony said they will release faster updates. Sony has advantage here because of the light skin but this is not the only thing, actually it is the least time consuming thing because it doesn't need much optimization and testing, at the end it is mostly an app that you can install to change how the phone look. The problem is to get it to work along with all the features with THIS SPECIFIC DEVICE, they need to test how the software would perform in THIS hardware (mainly chipset and screen and other things). And here is the bigger advantage of the Z1 as it uses the same chip and screen resolution as the nexus 5 (according to rumors), this will definitely help sony to release the new android versions much faster to the Z1 as it will already be optimized and tested. but again I doubt they will release it two weeks after the release of the 4.4 to the nexus devices but I still hope they will.
Guys, have a look here
http://www.xperiablog.net/2013/10/09/android-4-4-kitkat-is-not-hitting-the-xperia-z1-in-november/
gire.prasad said:
Guys, have a look here
http://www.xperiablog.net/2013/10/09/android-4-4-kitkat-is-not-hitting-the-xperia-z1-in-november/
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They don't list any sources either, as far as I am concerned neither "presumption" is correct, OEM's get new android versions months before there even announced so Sony may very well be cooking up Kitkat ready for November.
I don't believe it, if anything I'd expect a 4.3 release in November and a 4.4 in early 2014 hopefully.
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They don't list any sources either, as far as I am concerned neither "presumption" is correct, OEM's get new android versions months before there even announced so Sony may very well be cooking up Kitkat ready for November.
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If they were, it's time we built a monument for Sony
Highly unlikely.. But if it happened to be the case, Sony deserves a lot of credit. In my opinion they receive too little credit for their contributions to AOSP. But that's another matter
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Possibly. Google said they want kit Kat for everyone.
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This is getting old, but anyway here it is again...
Just look at Sony´s smartphone and firmware history m8´s, and you will see that this is never going to happen...
- we are lucky to recive 4.3 in late Q1 or perhaps Q2 of 2014, and after that the Z1 will be abandoned...
IF the rumor really WAS true, Sony would have turned 180 degrees in their business strategy... (and that is not likely, is it now ??)
Becource sony has actually acted that way for years now, at least since Xperia X10...
Sony is in this marked for the money, nothing else...
That is also why the Z1 was shipped with 4.2.2, and NOT 4.3 from the beginning...
- this way Sony can meet Googles demands on major updates, without actually giving YOU anything new...
Just think for 2 sec, about this:
WHY would Sony release a new flagship like the Z1 with only 4.2.2, when it would be just as mutch work for them to release it with the current 4.3 ??
This is also not new for Sony, the X10 was shipped with 1.6...
Sony is NOT stupid, the history repeats it self over and over, and we buy the products anyway...
BTW other Sony "feature" is these:
DON`T be suppriced to find that the Z and other phones is going to get the 4.3 before the Z1, that is actually also normal sony behavior.
DON´T be suppriced if you at last, one day finally will get 4.4 anyway (Q4 2014), that there will be features missing in the new version, that also is normal sony behavior.
The rumours come from a pretty unreliable source, so I'm not basing any of my analysis on that. Rather based on how close Sonys UI is to AOSP, porting it to 4.3 or 4.4 seems more trivial than it would for HTC or Samsung, considering their much larger deviations from AOSP. But ultimately only time will tell.
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WHY would Sony release a new flagship like the Z1 with only 4.2.2, when it would be just as mutch work for them to release it with the current 4.3 ??
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Because they've been working on the Z1 for longer than 4.3 has been available and wanted to beat the other manufacturers to market with an S800 phone (note that the LG G2 also shipped with 4.2.2 and is the only other phone with an S800 CPU), there literally is no other plausible explanation, stop being such a downer man. Ultimately 4.2.2/4.3/4.4 doesn't make any difference at all to the average consumer, and in fact, Sony might actually provide a better user experience by sticking to 4.2.2 until the bugs have been ironed out of the new major versions.
They will likely have had a team working on porting their UI to 4.3/4.4 while developing the Xperia Z1, they are just not ready yet.
Maybe you guys dont use to Sony?
Just relax and don't put high hope on update.....(xperia S and TX owner here waiting Z1)
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The only for reason for 4.2.2 in Z1, is to claim the amount of major updates without actually give us anything new...
- as i said Sony is NOT stupid, they are in this marked to earn money, nothing else...
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stop being such a downer man.
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Stop being so gullible man.
Rekoil said:
Ultimately 4.2.2/4.3/4.4 doesn't make any difference at all to the average consumer, and in fact, Sony might actually provide a better user experience by sticking to 4.2.2 until the bugs have been ironed out of the new major versions.
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THIS IS FUNNY !
This is actually allmost exactly what S/E responded back in the X10 days, when people was on 1.6, waiting allmost a year for 2.1...
- are you shure you dont Work for them ??
4.3 would give new features, and equally importent, it would let Sony be in the android lead for once, but then they have to give you, at least, also 4.4, and Sony don´t want to do that...
- it is better for Sony´s economy, if we all buy a new phone in a year instead...
But DON`T belive me, PLEACE DONT !
Just read the Sony and S/E history instead, and form your oppinion from that...
- then lets talk...
Dont get me wrong, Sony make fantasic smartphones, i love my sony phones...
Sony just dont update them as mutch as you would expect, and for a good reason...
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The only for reason for 4.2.2 in Z1, is to claim the amount of major updates without actually give us anything new...
- as i said Sony is NOT stupid, they are in this marked to earn money, nothing else...
Stop being so gullible man.
THIS IS FUNNY !
This is actually allmost exactly what S/E responded back in the X10 days, when people was on 1.6, waiting allmost a year for 2.1...
- are you shure you dont Work for them ??
4.3 would give new features, and equally importent, it would let Sony be in the android lead for once, but then they have to give you, at least, also 4.4, and Sony don´t want to do that...
- it is better for Sony´s economy, if we all buy a new phone in a year instead...
But DON`T belive me, PLEACE DONT !
Just read the Sony and S/E history instead, and form your oppinion from that...
- then lets talk...
Dont get me wrong, Sony make fantasic smartphones, i love my sony phones...
Sony just dont update them as mutch as you would expect, and for a good reason...
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I don't work for them, and excuse me for potentially being naïve, I'm just saying there have been large changes to the inner workings of Sony recently (look up Kaz Hirais One Sony initiative), nothing is impossible!
pshdo said:
This is getting old, but anyway here it is again...
Just look at Sony´s smartphone and firmware history m8´s, and you will see that this is never going to happen...
- we are lucky to recive 4.3 in late Q1 or perhaps Q2 of 2014, and after that the Z1 will be abandoned...
IF the rumor really WAS true, Sony would have turned 180 degrees in their business strategy... (and that is not likely, is it now ??)
Becource sony has actually acted that way for years now, at least since Xperia X10...
Sony is in this marked for the money, nothing else...
That is also why the Z1 was shipped with 4.2.2, and NOT 4.3 from the beginning...
- this way Sony can meet Googles demands on major updates, without actually giving YOU anything new...
Just think for 2 sec, about this:
WHY would Sony release a new flagship like the Z1 with only 4.2.2, when it would be just as mutch work for them to release it with the current 4.3 ??
This is also not new for Sony, the X10 was shipped with 1.6...
Sony is NOT stupid, the history repeats it self over and over, and we buy the products anyway...
BTW other Sony "feature" is these:
DON`T be suppriced to find that the Z and other phones is going to get the 4.3 before the Z1, that is actually also normal sony behavior.
DON´T be suppriced if you at last, one day finally will get 4.4 anyway (Q4 2014), that there will be features missing in the new version, that also is normal sony behavior.
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LOL such a doubter... and it is surprised not suppriced ...
ok let us take a look at Sony's Firmware history:
1. Xperia S(March 2012) launched with GB installed, they released ICS (4.0.4) update around may-june 2012 as promised, then release jellyean 1 year later (may-june 2013)... They actually have released a leaked version earlier at around April 2013 (build .200) so developers can start developing with the jellybean firmware... that is very timely... as expected, they will stop here as Qualcom has stopped supporting the chipset installed in Xperia S... no surprise there.
2. Xperia Z(February 2013) was released with Jelly bean 4.1.2... and then released 4.2.2 mid this year... they also promised 4.3 upgrade around Dec or January...
now lets take a look at Google's release cycle:
ICS 4.0.4 is release on 29 March 2012
JB 4.1.2 is released Oct 2012
JB 4.2.2 is only released Feb 2013
As you can see, Sony has an orderly version release cycle... and they always deliver on their promises... and as you can see after Sony releases a new product, they upgrade it to the latest version 3-4 months later... they are also known to skip versions... (they skipped ICS 4.0.3 and went to 4.0.4)
how much you wanna bet they will release 4.4 on or before Q1 2014?
How do you think the software update support from Sony for this model will be like?
I personally hope that it'll get the same treatment as Z1 (prioritised updates during its 1st year...?), but I kind of have a feeling that it's going to be overlooked. I guess it'll depend on the sales too...?
Discuss below!
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How do you think the software update support from Sony for this model will be like?
I personally hope that it'll get the same treatment as Z1 (prioritised updates during its 1st year...?), but I kind of have a feeling that it's going to be overlooked. I guess it'll depend on the sales too...?
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Kitkat update for March (oficial)
nizarnoor said:
How do you think the software update support from Sony for this model will be like?
I personally hope that it'll get the same treatment as Z1 (prioritised updates during its 1st year...?), but I kind of have a feeling that it's going to be overlooked. I guess it'll depend on the sales too...?
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be sure that sony will support this phone for at least two years.
this is sony policy so far for flagships.
Sony Xperia S & Ion were flagships of 2012 and they support it until nowadays.
from Jan2012 to Jan2014.
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x102x96x said:
be sure that sony will support this phone for at least two years.
this is sony policy so far for flagships.
Sony Xperia S & Ion were flagships of 2012 and they support it until nowadays.
from Jan2012 to Jan2014.
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Xperia Ion - released June 2012. Last updated by Sony: June 2013 (twelve months later). Plus the last version released was 4.1.2 Jelly Bean (which was released by Google in October 2012). So really it only got four months of support.
Xperia S - released February 2012. Last updated by Sony: August 2013 (18 months later). However again, the last version released was 4.1.2 which was released by Google in October 2012, so really 8 months of support.
At most we can expect to see KitKat and the next android version to come to our Xperia Z1Cs. Beyond that we won't get support. But this is XDA, we don't need official updates anyway :victory:
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but I kind of have a feeling that it's going to be overlooked!
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Why do you say that ?
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Why do you say that ?
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It's just that I haven't seen a massive marketing push for this from Sony.. So it's like they're not giving this model the attention it deserves, which might mean they're not planning to support it. I really hope I'm wrong on that though.
There was a full page advert for the Z1c on the back of the free London Evening Standard newspaper yesterday.
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codified said:
Xperia Ion - released June 2012. Last updated by Sony: June 2013 (twelve months later). Plus the last version released was 4.1.2 Jelly Bean (which was released by Google in October 2012). So really it only got four months of support.
Xperia S - released February 2012. Last updated by Sony: August 2013 (18 months later). However again, the last version released was 4.1.2 which was released by Google in October 2012, so really 8 months of support.
At most we can expect to see KitKat and the next android version to come to our Xperia Z1Cs. Beyond that we won't get support. But this is XDA, we don't need official updates anyway :victory:
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Seems like Sony is getting better and faster with updates nowadays (That was 2012 now is 2014). Look at T,V or Z for example.
Just like my favourite album from Calvin Harris : "18 Months"
at least Sony has to update this phone in 18 months update cycle.
I'm just saying
So is it confirmed the Z1c will get the same update that the Z1 will get come March?
Golgo said:
So is it confirmed the Z1c will get the same update that the Z1 will get come March?
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Yes, of course. I don't know about March but KitKat will surely come. And beyond KitKat updates will probably come as well. No worries there, really.
I think that the manufacturers should support the devices they sell but not in they way that some people believe they should. I think they should only provide software updates to fix bugs and improve performance. I do not believe that they should offer updates to the next version of android. It takes a lot of resources and money to adapt android x.x with Sony interface and then make it work on a dozen different devices. Resources that could be put towards a better experience on newer devices. I feel that if I pay for a device with android 4.3, 4.3 is what I paid for. Not 4.3+4.4+4.5 . On the flip side I believe that when a new version of android is made available that manufacturers not be allowed to offer a device with an older version. That would take some effort from Google and the manufacturers but it would be great if all the phones that came out after Halloween already had KitKat. And let the hate commence.
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I think that the manufacturers should support the devices they sell but not in they way that some people believe they should. I think they should only provide software updates to fix bugs and improve performance. I do not believe that they should offer updates to the next version of android. It takes a lot of resources and money to adapt android x.x with Sony interface and then make it work on a dozen different devices. Resources that could be put towards a better experience on newer devices. I feel that if I pay for a device with android 4.3, 4.3 is what I paid for. Not 4.3+4.4+4.5 . On the flip side I believe that when a new version of android is made available that manufacturers not be allowed to offer a device with an older version. That would take some effort from Google and the manufacturers but it would be great if all the phones that came out after Halloween already had KitKat. And let the hate commence.
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Good views
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I don't think I could imagine being in that kind of customers shoes.
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darksideauto said:
I think that the manufacturers should support the devices they sell but not in they way that some people believe they should. I think they should only provide software updates to fix bugs and improve performance. I do not believe that they should offer updates to the next version of android. It takes a lot of resources and money to adapt android x.x with Sony interface and then make it work on a dozen different devices. Resources that could be put towards a better experience on newer devices. I feel that if I pay for a device with android 4.3, 4.3 is what I paid for. Not 4.3+4.4+4.5 . On the flip side I believe that when a new version of android is made available that manufacturers not be allowed to offer a device with an older version. That would take some effort from Google and the manufacturers but it would be great if all the phones that came out after Halloween already had KitKat. And let the hate commence.
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Hardware now is at the point where a high-end phone should last a good 3 years or even indefinitely.. I mean.. do we need 8 cores and 4k screens? I would not want an environment where a producer is forced to spawn new hardware just because new software is available, I would like it to happen more organically than that.
While hardware arms-race is great at drastically improving performance in new technology, there should theoretically be a limit where hardware improvements may not outweigh the cost to the consumer, and it is at this point where software takes over. Processing power and screen resolution is at a point where anything more is redundant. At least I think that software is where the future is at. I'd take a good and useful feature, instead of imperceivable pixel-density or more CPU power.
Keep in mind I'm not saying screen resolution and cpu-core improvements are worth zero, I just think they may not be worth as much as Qualcomm is trying to make us believe. Battery performance on the other hand, gimmie -- though this is equal parts software and hardware. There are many hardware improvements that are infinitely more useful than a new android-version, unfortunately they are overlooked by the naive consumer that just want whatever the producers can most easily improve upon.
I feel that if I pay for a device with android 4.3, 4.3 is what I paid for.
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Ha! You've got to be kidding, you can not possibly defend this statement? When you pay 500$ for a phone, you'd rather have Sony forget all about you and move on the next phone? A new android major-version update can be just as impressive and fun as new hardware, and if you don't want it, don't install it? I don't count bug-fixing, included in the price of a new phone, should be the promise of a bug-free and functional device.
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Ha! You've got to be kidding, you can not possibly defend this statement? When you pay 500$ for a phone, you'd rather have Sony forget all about you and move on the next phone? A new android major-version update can be just as impressive and fun as new hardware, and if you don't want it, don't install it? I don't count bug-fixing, included in the price of a new phone, should be the promise of a bug-free and functional device.
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Im not sure how to respond in a way that would not bring more negative feedback.
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nizarnoor said:
It's just that I haven't seen a massive marketing push for this from Sony.. So it's like they're not giving this model the attention it deserves, which might mean they're not planning to support it. I really hope I'm wrong on that though.
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I hope this doesn't come off as my being totally USA-centric, but the biggest worry I have in this regard is the lack of U.S. sales, and hence, support. How much of a flagship device can it be without including the largest (counting the EU as separate markets) market? I'm looking hopefully to MWC for some clue otherwise, but not very confident.
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I hope this doesn't come off as my being totally USA-centric, but the biggest worry I have in this regard is the lack of U.S. sales, and hence, support. How much of a flagship device can it be without including the largest (counting the EU as separate markets) market? I'm looking hopefully to MWC for some clue otherwise, but not very confident.
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I was also quite irritated with Sony's choice to practically ignore the USA. Im also wondering why they hold back some devices and accessories for the Japanese market for weeks or even months before they are released to the rest of the world.
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CAL7 said:
the biggest worry I have in this regard is the lack of U.S. sales, and hence, support. How much of a flagship device can it be without including the largest market?
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Largest smartphone markets (predicted for 2014):
Country - Annual sales
China - 283 million
India - 225 million
USA - 89 million
Distant third, dude. But at least you beat Russia in the ice hockey, there's a bit of national pride to cling on to.
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I was also quite irritated with Sony's choice to practically ignore the USA. Im also wondering why they hold back some devices and accessories for the Japanese market for weeks or even months before they are released to the rest of the world.
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Because Sony has always been a domestic brand (like many Japanese companies) but also with a large European arm for the majority of their products. Anything successful in both these markets will eventually find its way further afield.
Given their current financial state, you can hardly blame them for not wanting to take risks.
And let's not forget the US market for the average consumer is totally inaccessible with only one SKU per colour.
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I see we're all going crazy about the specs of the Xperia Z2, but no one here appears to be concerned about how slow sony is to roll out updates, Kitkat 4.4. was released on the 31th of October, and the Xperia Z1 , sony's current flagship still hasn't got it :/ ... 4 months after the release , they plan on delivering the update on April, 5 months, maybe 5 and a half months after 4.4 was really released and they're not making any promises of improving, what do you guys think?
That's definitely a concern of mine. Sony is worse than the major Android manufacturers (Motorola, HTC, Samsung, even LG is rolling out its Kitkat update) in terms of updates. One consolation is that Android updates aren't as big or crucial as they used to be since it is a pretty mature OS at this point, but I can't deny that I find Sony's update speed disappointing. I don't think it will stop me from getting the Z2, tho.
You have problems with 4.3?
It's incredible how people aren't satisfied, ever...
Wait and you'll get your KitKat...Sony is actually building their UI, it's not only cheap mask over Google framework - that's why they need time.
Wen you get KitKat you'll request another version...or you'll open thread to request root for kitkat...
Relax, you still have almost one whole year of support and everything will come and be released on time.
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Chad_Petree said:
I see we're all going crazy about the specs of the Xperia Z2, but no one here appears to be concerned about how slow sony is to roll out updates, Kitkat 4.4. was released on the 31th of October, and the Xperia Z1 , sony's current flagship still hasn't got it :/ ... 4 months after the release , they plan on delivering the update on April, 5 months, maybe 5 and a half months after 4.4 was really released and they're not making any promises of improving, what do you guys think?
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It s so good If companies support their flagships for OS upgrade But there s no different between Sony or Samsung or ...
currently i m using Note3 on JB 4.3 however 4.4.2 for all variants released from Samsung But it s too slow.
If you want number of OS version you should buy nexus devices. that Google support them ~2 years (like Galaxy Nexus) with fast upgrade and release.
But If u r thinking about more functionality on ur smartphone u have to buy samsung, sony or ...
/*Companies don't think about u who bought a flagship 4-5 months ago.
*they think about who want to upgrade from old phone. so they release high-end phone every 6months to get markets. */
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You have problems with 4.3?
It's incredible how people aren't satisfied, ever...
Wait and you'll get your KitKat...Sony is actually building their UI, it's not only cheap mask over Google framework - that's why they need time.
Wen you get KitKat you'll request another version...or you'll open thread to request root for kitkat...
Relax, you still have almost one whole year of support and everything will come and be released on time.
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Do you really think that getting the update 5 months later is acceptable? It's not like we're getting a new UI with sony's implementation of kitkat, we should actually , I don't understand why reasonably demanding for things, makes us a**holes, should we just keep quiet and be content with what companies give us? How do you think HTC and Motorola updated their game ? By listening the the users complain , they want our money? They'd better work for it!
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Do you really think that getting the update 5 months later is acceptable? It's not like we're getting a new UI with sony's implementation of kitkat, we should actually , I don't understand why reasonably demanding for things, makes us a**holes, should we just keep quiet and be content with what companies give us? How do you think HTC and Motorola updated their game ? By listening the the users complain , they want our money? They'd better work for it!
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What are you really doing here - takes as is or leave it
I'm on a Nexus 5 and I love both pure Android and quicker updates. Unfortunately the lack of Hw specs (battery and microsd) will drive me to Z2 and its slowlier upgrades of sw.
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I'm on a Nexus 5 and I love both pure Android and quicker updates. Unfortunately the lack of Hw specs (battery and microsd) will drive me to Z2 and its slowlier upgrades of sw.
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We're on similar situation , I can't stand the awful battery life of the nexus 5 , I don't miss the SD card at all since I have the 32 gb version and that's enough for me, what bothers me too is that the 16:9 photos are 6 MP, I would like 12-13 MP photos, I don't need 20 MP photos but I'm not complaining either Haha
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Some more thoughts on slower updates that might make your mind rest a little easier:
As someone else pointed out, if you take Samsung as an example, faster updates aren't always a good thing. Samsung devices are usually pretty well optimized for the version of Android they ship with, but when they update to a new major version of Android the performance can get substantially worse. I've noticed this with several Samsung devices. So giving a manufacturer the time to make sure everything works well on their hardware is a good thing. Keep in mind brand-new Android releases are often tailored to a subset of Android hardware in the latest Nexus devices, and hardware differences in other devices might take a while to perfect.
Also, new major versions of Android often have bad bugs. Look at Motorola who invested a lot of effort into getting 4.4 on the Moto X very soon after it was released. Unfortunately 4.4 had several major bugs including broken Exchange support! Moto X owners who upgraded were stuck with broken devices until Moto released 4.4.2 months later. So it is also good to wait for at least a couple of point releases before a manufacturer commits to a new version of Android.
Nexus devices don't have these issues because they can just keep releasing new updates quickly, but if a manufacturer's customized Android actually offers valuable improvements (which I think Sony's does) it makes sense to take a little longer.
I still wish Sony were faster, tho
I'm a bit worried. I honestly Sony would concentrate on one flagship per year, like everyone else. I'm on an XZ and am sick of trying to keep up. I'm considering my next phone now, but I can't say if the z2 is a slam dunk now. I do like the sound of the speakers though...
I've used Sony (Ericsson) phones for years. Late updates are a condition you either live with or jump ship. Sony has always been notoriously late with update releases.
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Personally not worried about getting updates late but a bit worried about not getting updates at all after a while & becoming abandoned
I mean Samsung is releasing Kitkat for GS3 which is a device from may 2012, Not sure if it's the same with Sony specially with their two flagship a year strategy
I'm not. If there is not a disturbing bug in Z2, I still use it. If the new feature that roll out from Sony and Google with an update is not necessary and attracting to me,I don't change my phone to other brand.
Who cares what OS version you got? Unless there is a bug or something, I don't care if I ever get any updates. I would even prefer the older version now since they messed up the notification screen.
To be honest, Jellybean is stable enough so that we don't necesarily "need" further updates. I'm "suck" on 4.1.2 on my optimus g and don't really mind at all(And yes, LG is worse at abandoning their flagships). Got kit kat on my nexus 7 and don't really see much difference. I miss the great sony UI though. Still torn between this phone and the z1.
I buy phone - start to see if everything works - root - flash custom rom. Never worries about updates.
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And tell me what features of 4.4 you so desperately need having just 4.3 ? I understand the importance of an update, but on the other and I think people exaggerate the need for them a lot...
So to answer the question - no, i'm not afraid. Frankly speaking, I don't really care, as long as it won't take a year or so.
Akiainavas said:
And tell me what features of 4.4 you so desperately need having just 4.3 ?
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A pretty major update in 4.4 for devices with on-screen buttons, like the Xperia series, is "immersive mode" (http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/1...go-truly-full-screen-hide-the-navigation-bar/). There are other nice updates, and maybe that one doesn't interest you, but to me it's a big deal. You never know when Google is going to throw a great new feature like that in.
augie7107 said:
I've used Sony (Ericsson) phones for years. Late updates are a condition you either live with or jump ship. Sony has always been notoriously late with update releases.
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What? Worse than Samsung?
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Greeting, if anyone knows when it will be available to Android 5.0 for Xperia Z3?
Something was discussed, it should come this year or next (Q1/2015)... It would be good if Sony starts thinking forward about the new android L...
Or we'll get a new update on Z3, while out new Z4..
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Greeting, if anyone knows when it will be available to Android 5.0 for Xperia Z3?
Something was discussed, it should come this year or next (Q1/2015)... It would be good if Sony starts thinking forward about the new android L...
Or we'll get a new update on Z3, while out new Z4..
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Wait for Sony to announce their update roadmaps in the next few days
Probably we will all get in in Q1/2015
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http://blogs.sonymobile.com/2014/10...d-5-0-lollipop-to-the-entire-xperia-z-series/
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http://blogs.sonymobile.com/2014/10...d-5-0-lollipop-to-the-entire-xperia-z-series/
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So that means we will get it 3 months from when the nexus devices get theirs. Its not fast update but its on par with other OEM's i guess.
Wow, Sony means xperia z will get android L update.... Fantastic!!!!
Good news. I will be holding onto my Nexus 5 until Christmas then, usually the carriers have devices on sale around then and also my upgrade fee will be less. SAWEEET!
viking2.0 said:
So that means we will get it 3 months from when the nexus devices get theirs. Its not fast update but its on par with other OEM's i guess.
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LOOL.... Nexus get out 6 of november, lollipop will land few days later on older nexus and GPE version of phone.
So it means sony have just one and half month to bring it to Z3 if they want to realease it for Z3 series, and you say its slow?
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HTC One (M7) - Android 5.0 Lollipop update in 90 days
HTC One (M8) - Android 5.0 Lollipop update in 90 days
HTC One mini - Android 5.0 Lollipop update, schedule TBA
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Motorola have 4-5 phones, samsung few phones, lg 2 maybe and sony will update entire Z series.
This is briliant
Chance for better 3rd party camera apps?
Since several of the features in 5.0 look quite interesting for photography purposes, any guesses if these could be used for better 3rd party camera apps?
As seen on http://www.android.com/versions/lollipop-5-0/ :
A range of new professional photography features for Android Lollipop that let you
Capture full resolution frames around 30 fps
Support raw formats like YUV and Bayer RAW
Control capture settings for the sensor, lens, and flash per individual frame
Capture metadata like noise models and optical information
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LOOL.... Nexus get out 6 of november, lollipop will land few days later on older nexus and GPE version of phone.
So it means sony have just one and half month to bring it to Z3 if they want to realease it for Z3 series, and you say its slow?
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Motorola have 4-5 phones, samsung few phones, lg 2 maybe and sony will update entire Z series.
This is briliant
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Sony states 5.0 will be released beginning of 2015. So assuming its end of Jan or early Feb then it is 3 months from the release of 5.0 to nexus devices. This could be the time frame for all the other OEM's except motorola which might release it in december. I would call that fast. I knew this before buying the device so i am not really bothered about it.
At least they have announced an intention to update those phones. Unlike Samsung...
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Wow, I am positively surprised that even my Xperia tablet z will get official lollipop. I thought that Sony was supposed to be bad at updating. Compared to my old Asus I feel that I am treated like a princess.
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So will there be any changes for an update for Z3 to Lollipop? When I had a Samsung/HTC update to 4.0, there weren't any major changes. Will the Z3 be able to run ART with even better battery saving capabilities? Anyone know what features might be added? Im interested to know if there will be any major changes, or if I should just wait for a Z4/Nexus 6 that will have the latest features instead of getting a slimmed down update.
Any help is appreciated. Thanks
Richie5767 said:
So will there be any changes for an update for Z3 to Lollipop? When I had a Samsung/HTC update to 4.0, there weren't any major changes. Will the Z3 be able to run ART with even better battery saving capabilities? Anyone know what features might be added? Im interested to know if there will be any major changes, or if I should just wait for a Z4/Nexus 6 that will have the latest features instead of getting a slimmed down update.
Any help is appreciated. Thanks
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If I read it correctly ART is the default runtime in lollipop so yeah... Guess it'll be able to run ART. And nobody knows what the exact changes will be... only sony.
I'm pretty sure Z3 will get L in late Jan - early Feb
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Sony states 5.0 will be released beginning of 2015. So assuming its end of Jan or early Feb then it is 3 months from the release of 5.0 to nexus devices. This could be the time frame for all the other OEM's except motorola which might release it in december. I would call that fast. I knew this before buying the device so i am not really bothered about it.
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Aye, let the Nexus users be the guinea pigs and do the testing for us - hopefully by that time it will be bug free is the way I see it
rooting lollipop may need a custom kernel ? (according to chainfire) this will make bootloader unlock and drm issue all the more interesting hehe
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Wow, I am positively surprised that even my Xperia tablet z will get official lollipop. I thought that Sony was supposed to be bad at updating. Compared to my old Asus I feel that I am treated like a princess.
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Ah, yes, but because of the frequency of new models being released, it's easy to forget that the Z and Tablet Z actually only came out about 18 months ago - so are pretty much within the '18 month' window of getting supported.
I actually don't want Android 5 / L before it has stabilized. KitKat needed 5 iterations to settle (remember all the connectivity issues up and including 4.4.3?!).
Hence, completly agree with zoomee, let Nexus users do some testing and Google do some fixes first
Meanwhile, the Z2 STILL doesn't have 4.4.4
Google announced the Android M update at I/O 2015 keynote. Android M takes Android L and optimizes the **** out of it.
- Better battery life
- Android Pay
- Fingerprint support
- USB Type-C
- Enhanced Google Now
- App Permissions
That's a power-packed features list, eh? More about Android M features here. Also, the Android M Developer Preview is already available.
I wonder if the Xperia Z1 would ever get the Android M update, seeing that the Android 5.1 Lollipop update itself won't arrive until August 2015.
highly doubt it!
Yes, an the Android XL also.
If the z had received lollipop, maybe z1 will get android m.......should be possible....
I also highly doubt Z1 will get it. As of right now, I only hope Z1 will receive a fully stable no bug (no battery drain, no sound vollume problem, etc.) 5.1. Besides, I don't think Z1 can get much benefits from M anyway (like those fingerprint support or usb-c or even Android Pay since it's clearly not available everywhere)
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I also highly doubt Z1 will get it. As of right now, I only hope Z1 will receive a fully stable no bug (no battery drain, no sound vollume problem, etc.) 5.1. Besides, I don't think Z1 can get much benefits from M anyway (like those fingerprint support or usb-c or even Android Pay since it's clearly not available everywhere)
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But under the hood improvements are always welcome
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But under the hood improvements are always welcome
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Sure an update is always welcomed. It's just that we shouldn't really get our hopes up. In my opinion, It's already Sony's best effort for Z1 if it get 5.1. By the time M is official released, Z1 will probably be way over the 18 month support period by Sony. But who know, just my guess, maybe Sony will surprise us (in a good way )
BTW, is there any dev working on porting Android M developer preview for the Xperia Z1?
I'd like Android M, but if we don't get it then 5.1 had better solve the issue with the mobile radio staying active and causing ridiculous amounts of battery drain.
I guess one thing to keep in mind is that the Z got 5.0.2, so perhaps they will only drop support for the Z given how different the hardware is, while the Z1, Z Ultra and Z1C all share very similar hardware. From what I can tell, the hardware hasn't changed all that much since the Z Ultra aside from the Z3+/Z4 which is using an octa-core S810 compared to the quad-core S800/S801 inside most of the rest of the Z series. Whether that has much sway on development time I wouldn't have any idea.
If they can include Auto Backup for Apps http://developer.android.com/preview/backup/index.html Also using your micro SD card as internal storage.... http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/0...or-accessed-normally-with-no-additional-apps/
That would be great for those who don't root their handset
Even Z can get updated to 5.1 i think Z1 can at least get 2 more major updates. So yes
Of course not. I understand we all love our devices, but guys, it's just marketing. However, let's hope someone ports it to our Z1, otherwise, we may need to buy something new in the near future.
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Of course not. I understand we all love our devices, but guys, it's just marketing. However, let's hope someone ports it to our Z1, otherwise, we may need to buy something new in the near future.
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Not really possible for me lol I just bought my Z1 1,5 months ago
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http://android.hdblog.it/2015/06/22/Sony-Android-M-Xperia-Z3-C-AOSP/ .. the answer is YES !
the binaries are up in the dev world of sony!
developer.sonymobile.com/downloads/tool/software-binaries-for-aosp-m-developer-preview/
i think it will recive M because the original z will also receve 5.1.1 so probably the z1 will recive the last android version as android M.
That's really nice! At least that smells good!
Sony will sell its mobile business before the Z1 gets M.
Android M for Xperia Z1
Good to know that even Xperia Z1 will get Android M update.
I did google to get some info. Below are some trusted links
neurogadget.com/2015/08/19/sony-xperia-z-z1-z2-z3-z3-compact-with-android-6-0-marshmallow-update/12855
developer.sonymobile.com/2015/06/22/android-m-developer-preview-available-for-xperia-devices-in-sonys-open-device-program/
Also there is tutorial on how to install Android M preview on Z1 at ibtimes.co.uk/how-update-xperia-z1-z2-z3-android-m-developer-preview-freexperia-rom-1510292
Enjoy...
All xperia flagships have lifetime support .