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I started this thread because i want to help all people who has or want this phone to get more Info about carrier and bootloader compatibilities.
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DROID TURBO / MOTO MAXX
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Little History of the Device
We know as late as mid-August Google was testing a 5.2" 1440p Snapdragon 805 Nexus 6 variant with 3GB RAM, made by Motorola. We saw the leaked benchmarks. After August, all evidence of a 5.2" Nexus 6 model disappeared. Google decided to release only one new Nexus phone, the 5.9" version.
But instead of being released as a Nexus, Motorola released that 5.2" phone as the Droid Turbo (Verizon)/Moto Maxx.
The shared specifications of these devices are the following:
SYSTEM: Near-stock Android 4.4.4 KitKat (TESTING ANDROID L 5.0.2 RIGHT NOW ON MOTO MAXX)
SCREEN: 5.2-inch QHD AMOLED (2,560 x 1,440 pixels, 565 ppi)
PROCESSOR: Quad-core Snapdragon 805, quad-core, 2.7 GHz, Adreno 420 GPU
RAM: 3 GB
INTERNAL MEMORY: 32/64 GB
BATTERY: 3,900 mAh
QI WIRELESS CHARGING
QUALCOMM CHARGE 2.0 UP TO 8 HOURS OF BATTERY CHARGING IN 30 MINUTES
CAMERA: 21 MP (rear), 1.3MP (front)
CONNECTIVITY: LTE, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth 4.0, USB 2.0
DIMENSIONS: 73.3 x 143.5 x 11.2mm (Ballistic Nylon)/73.3 x 146.5 x 10.6mm (Metalized Fiber)
WEIGHT: 176 g (Ballistic Nylon)/169 g (Metalized Fiber) 184 g
PRICE: $599.00 USD (base model)/ $8999.00 MXP
USES NANO SIM CARD
CARRIER AND BOOTLOADER COMPATIBILITY
So if you are on USA my advice its to get an US MOTO MAXX to get unlocked bootloader, root and LTE compatibility on major carriers.
WHERE TO GET DROID TURBO/MOTO MAXX
DROID TURBO: http://www.verizonwireless.com/landingpages/droid/
US MOTO MAXX: (sellers recopilation by chazzmatt) http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=58865000&postcount=197
INTERNATIONAL MOTO MAXX and MOTO TURBO: Int Moto maxx its currently being sold on Mexico, Puerto Rico, Brasil, Chile and india, you can look for it in motorola's page for each country ( motorola.com.mx , motorola.com.br , motorola.com.pr, motorola.com.cl )
I think its pretty Clear in this table which version of moto maxx and droid turbo work in each carrier and if they can be unlocked or not, if you have any questions about this please post.
Special thanks to @ChazzMatt for the little history text.
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UPDATED TO INCLUDE MOTO TURBO
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Moto maxx has been finally released on the Mexican carrier TELCEL i saw it yesterday on a store hope more people get to know this awesome device
I have been searching everywhere. Were you able to find a definitive confirmation that the XT1250 is unlockable and works on Verizon? Screenshots, videos, personal testing? The only thing that I can find is that one person partially attempted to do both, but didn't actually do it.
timmyk465 said:
I have been searching everywhere. Were you able to find a definitive confirmation that the XT1250 is unlockable and works on Verizon? Screenshots, videos, personal testing? The only thing that I can find is that one person partially attempted to do both, but didn't actually do it.
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because the xt1250 runs mostly on CDMA networks by small carriers on USA, and beign carrier unlocked, works with verizon, about the bootloader, i trust the guy who said that he was able to unlock the bootloader according to motorola's unlocking site, but he did not want to because warranty issues, and if one model can be bootloader unlocked all can
I hope device come for more countrys
Does anyone know if any of the small carriers that have the xt1250 will allow you to purchase and ship the phone from a place outside of their local network? (For example I'm in Texas and would use it on Verizon)
Jaocagomez said:
CARRIER AND BOOTLOADER COMPATIBILITY
Special thanks to @ChazzMatt for the little history text.
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Thank you, @Jaocagomez.
The only additional info I would add is:
1) Chile is also one of the Latin American countries where the XT1225 is sold. Was released there after Brazil, Mexico, Puerto Rico.
http://www.motorola.cl/consumers/view-all-mobile-phones/Moto-Maxx/moto-maxx-cl.html
2) It's worth repeating that all the Moto Maxx/Droid Turbo models are "Quark" Motorola phones with identical hardware specs (display, resolution, RAM, cameras, CPU, GPU, turbo charging, Qi wireless charging, battery, etc), except for internal memory storage (32GB or 64GB). The "international" XT1225 only comes in 64GB with ballistic nylon back.
3) The U.S. XT1250 "Moto Maxx" and XT1254 "Droid Turbo" are identical except for carrier-specific software -- both have CDMA/GSM/HSPA/LTE bands. They both have the same FCC ID number. The "Droid Turbo" is just the Verizon "Moto Maxx" with a locked bootloader. ("Droid" is a name licensed to Verizon by LucasArts which they can slap on any phone they wish. Verizon chose to call their locked down version Droid Turbo, instead of Moto Maxx.)
4) The XT1225 has LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 17 even though the official specs only list 2, 3, 4, 7, 17. When it passed through the FCC it had LTE band 5 (used on AT&T), and QPST/nv browser shows it's still there and enabled. But since the XT1225 was aimed primarily at the Latin America market, where LTE band 5 is not used, Motorola left it off the specs listing. Apple did something similar with the iPhone in 2012, having TWO extra LTE bands enabled that were not mentioned in the "official" specs.
The XT1225 has a different FCC number from the XT1250/XT1254.
5) All the XT1225 phones sold in all the various countries are the same. They all have the same FCC ID number. Why did the XT1225 go through the FCC? Because Puerto Rico is a U.S. territory. Listing an FCC number on a phone in Brazil or Mexico doesn't carry the force of law in the U.S., but listing it on the XT1225 in Puerto Rico does carry the force of law for Motorola. But since it's listed on ALL the XT1225 boxes, wherever sold, it's the same phone across all countries.
6) For people wanting to buy the XT1225 in the 50 states of the USA, you can try eBay or Swappa. There were several Puerto Rico dealers selling them. It's U.S. territory and can be shipped via U.S.P.S. Priority Mail with tracking number. Just make sure they unlock the phone for you or provide the unlock code, as in Puerto Rico the Moto Maxx is only sold in Claro stores not through the Motorola website.
My Mexico Moto Maxx XT1225 was bought straight from Motorola Mexico website (through the help of @Jaocagomez) and came unlocked for all carriers from the factory, but my Puerto Rico Moto Maxx XT1225 was unlocked by the eBay dealer who shipped it to me. Otherwise would have stayed locked to Claro.
Thumb Cellular
Just a follow up. It looks like Thumb will sell you a phone and ship outside of their area. You have to buy it at full price, and they will not offer you a return on it, so the sale would be final.
Another follow up.
I've just about called every CDMA provider on the wikipedia list to get more information about this phone and whether or not you can buy it. For the most part no one will sell it unless you buy it in the store or you ship it within their service area. (Except as I mentioned above Thumb who will sell it and ship it no returns, no warranty).
I was able to find out that, according to the rep from Pioneer Cellular, the model number for the XT1250 is MOTO GXP1031.
A few of the carriers are looking into more information for me and are supposed to call me back. I'm trying to track down who their vendors are. It seems none of them are buying this phone directly from Motorola.
timmyk465 said:
Another follow up.
I've just about called every CDMA provider on the wikipedia list to get more information about this phone and whether or not you can buy it. For the most part no one will sell it unless you buy it in the store or you ship it within their service area. (Except as I mentioned above Thumb who will sell it and ship it no returns, no warranty).
I was able to find out that, according to the rep from Pioneer Cellular, the model number for the XT1250 is MOTO GXP1031.
A few of the carriers are looking into more information for me and are supposed to call me back. I'm trying to track down who their vendors are. It seems none of them are buying this phone directly from Motorola.
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That's interesting. So Motorola is selling this phone to some wholesalers, who are reselling it to regional carriers?
I know Motorola calls it the XT1250. I've seen it listed several places, just like the XT1225 -- like battery back covers on AliExpress. So, that other model number must be that carrier's product code, not Motorola's? Or the wholesaler's code?
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If you get one of these XT1250 Moto Maxx, do you have a Verizon nano SIM card to put in? For an account already activated? If not, get a SIM card cutter.
Because Verizon will lie to you and tell you it won't work. You have to get a nano SIM card without them knowing about it. Best way is to cut already-activated micro SIM card down, if you don't already have a nano size.
Wow this is great news! I've been waiting for this device to come to ATT (under the rumored Moto Play name) but you're saying it's technically already available? So I can buy the XT1250 and I'll get full LTE speed on ATT? If so I might just get this...
Two questions:
1. What's your opinion on the speed of Motorola updating these phones? I know that due to their close relationship with Verizon they get it first usually, but because these have to be approved by handfuls of non major carriers do you think it'll be much slower? Will it matter which of these carriers I buy the phone from then?
2. Because these are not bought from Verizon or directly from Motorola Store, will Motorola still offer the one free screen replacement if broken within first year is ownership?
Thanks for your help
ergoautumn said:
Wow this is great news! I've been waiting for this device to come to ATT (under the rumored Moto Play name) but you're saying it's technically already available? So I can buy the XT1250 and I'll get full LTE speed on ATT? If so I might just get this...
Two questions:
1. What's your opinion on the speed of Motorola updating these phones? I know that due to their close relationship with Verizon they get it first usually, but because these have to be approved by handfuls of non major carriers do you think it'll be much slower? Will it matter which of these carriers I buy the phone from then?
2. Because these are not bought from Verizon or directly from Motorola Store, will Motorola still offer the one free screen replacement if broken within first year is ownership?
Thanks for your help
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The "international" XT1225 Moto Maxx would be better for AT&T. Has all the AT&T LTE bands. Official specs say LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 7, 17 but really has 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 17. AT&T uses 2, 4, 5, 17.
eBay or Swappa is your friend.
Here's some recent speeds on AT&T GoPhone with one of my two XT1225 Moto Maxx phones:
ChazzMatt said:
That's interesting. So Motorola is selling this phone to some wholesalers, who are reselling it to regional carriers?
I know Motorola calls it the XT1250. I've seen it listed several places, just like the XT1225 -- like battery back covers on AliExpress. So, that other model number must be that carrier's product code, not Motorola's? Or the wholesaler's code?
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If you get one of these XT1250 Moto Maxx, do you have a Verizon nano SIM card to put in? For an account already activated? If not, get a SIM card cutter.
Because Verizon will lie to you and tell you it won't work. You have to get a nano SIM card without them knowing about it. Best way is to cut ssn already activated micro card down, if you don't already have a nano.
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I do have a Verizon SIM, but it is for my Galaxy S3. I'll either cut and sand it, or go to a Verizon store and tell them I bought a phone on ebay and need a new nano SIM. I'm still holding off on getting the phone from Thumb until I know more about everything. Hopefully I can track down a vendor or a better source to buy the phone (one that will offer a return policy).
timmyk465 said:
I do have a Verizon SIM, but it is for my Galaxy S3. I'll either cut and sand it, or go to a Verizon store and tell them I bought a phone on ebay and need a new nano SIM. I'm still holding off on getting the phone from Thumb until I know more about everything. Hopefully I can track down a vendor or a better source to buy the phone (one that will offer a return policy).
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I'm also assuming the phone from Thumb is 32GB correct? I've reached out to several of those carriers as well and have not identified one that sells a 64GB XT1250. I also have not confirmed that one exists!
btw on Verizon I would also expect that Softcard would not work but would be willing to lose it in order to show if it doesn't work on XT1250 with the VZW ISIS app. Also I have not heard of anyone with software updates to the XT1250 to either enable video calling or VoLTE (HD voice or Simultaneous voice/data). Would anyone expect carrier updates or updates direct from Moto or to only be able to hope firmware from XT1254 can be dissected from an OTA?
Whew that's a lot
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rayjr13 said:
btw on Verizon I would also expect that Softcard would not work but would be willing to lose it in order to show if it doesn't work on XT1250 with the VZW ISIS app. Also I have not heard of anyone with software updates to the XT1250 to either enable video calling or VoLTE (HD voice or Simultaneous voice/data). Would anyone expect carrier updates or updates direct from Moto or to only be able to hope firmware from XT1254 can be dissected from an OTA?
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With an unlocked bootloader on the XT1250, I wonder if you could flash firmware from XT1225 (if you want 5.0.2 sooner) or XT1254 (if you want VOLTE from VZW) and have everything still work okay. When I had a VZW Moto X (XT1060) Developer Edition with an unlocked bootloader, firmware from other Ghost variants worked just fine (e.g., T-Mobile's 4.4.3 build released before Verizon's eventual skip to 4.4.4). If XT1225,XT1250, and XT1254 are all quark boards, think this could work?
I would love to sell my XT1254 and pick up the XT1250 if it meant getting xposed back... I'd even be fine with Verizon's firmware with 4.4.4+VOLTE+Xposed and waiting for the XT1254 to get 5.0.2 w/ VOLTE since flashing the XT1225 lollipop build would result in loss of VOLTE and thus simultaneous voice+data.
sklarskyj said:
With an unlocked bootloader on the XT1250, I wonder if you could flash firmware from XT1225 (if you want 5.0.2 sooner) or XT1254 (if you want VOLTE from VZW) and have everything still work okay. When I had a VZW Moto X (XT1060) Developer Edition with an unlocked bootloader, firmware from other Ghost variants worked just fine (e.g., T-Mobile's 4.4.3 build released before Verizon's eventual skip to 4.4.4). If XT1225,XT1250, and XT1254 are all quark boards, think this could work?
I would love to sell my XT1254 and pick up the XT1250 if it meant getting xposed back... I'd even be fine with Verizon's firmware with 4.4.4+VOLTE+Xposed and waiting for the XT1254 to get 5.0.2 w/ VOLTE since flashing the XT1225 lollipop build would result in loss of VOLTE and thus simultaneous voice+data.
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Just got this email so it doesn't even matter:
What does that mean for you? As of 3/31 your Softcard app will no longer work. You can continue to use the Softcard app until 3/31. After that your Account will be closed.
Wonder if we get another OTA to remove the app.
It would be so cool if the phone had LTE band 20 enabled.
I'm hoping Moto will release another phone at some point that is not close to 6" and supports band 20
i hope some mod can sticky this thread, there were like 30 threads in Q&A and general asking this information
timmyk465 said:
I do have a Verizon SIM, but it is for my Galaxy S3. I'll either cut and sand it, or go to a Verizon store and tell them I bought a phone on ebay and need a new nano SIM. I'm still holding off on getting the phone from Thumb until I know more about everything. Hopefully I can track down a vendor or a better source to buy the phone (one that will offer a return policy).
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Did you end up buying the phone from Thumb? Or anywhere else for that matter?
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Did you end up buying the phone from Thumb? Or anywhere else for that matter?
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I ended up waiting cause I wanted to make sure everything would work, but never really saw anyone that got into detail what they could and couldn't do with the phone.
Then they released mofo, so I'm just getting it from Verizon now I think.
It seems that Motorola will be releasing Android M for the turbo relatively quickly, but that doesn't mean Verizon will take any less than a decade to approve and push it out to devices. Anyone want to place bets on when we will actually get the update?
(I'm guessing four to five months)
3 months before "N"... like the Droid Turbo got Lollipop (July) 3 months before Marshmallow was released (October).
5 Internets and a dozen cookies on Verizon letting the turbo die on lollipop.
My vote is beginning of the first quarter.
I think we get it in may or June. I have no confidence in the new moto nor do they have a good track record.
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3 months before "N"... like the Droid Turbo got Lollipop (July) 3 months before Marshmallow was released (October).
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Good guess, I'm thinking Spring sometime too based on the update history of the other Droids
I'm not sure if you have noticed, but EVERY carrier section has a thread about how their carriers are always last to get updates (AT&T, T-Mobile, Sprint, etc). If you don't believe me, go check out the other sections.
Verizon is actually one of the fastest to send out updates for a phone that is available across all carriers. It's just the Droid Turbo that was late with the L update. We can't say Verizon was last for the update as it was a Verizon exclusive phone....
According to Motorola, we are slated for the update around same time as the Moto devices. Based on that alone, we should be getting M soon as Moto X has a record of being updated fairly quickly.
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We can't say Verizon was last for the update as it was a Verizon exclusive phone....
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It wasn't an exclusive phone. The name only was exclusive, and even then only the "Droid" part (because Verizon owns the rights). Moto used "Turbo" for another Quark too (Moto Turbo XT1225). Don't drink the Koolaid.
XT1250 U.S. Moto Maxx is the exact same phone as the XT1254, exact same FCC ID, exact same bands, works on Verizon with a Verizon SIM card -- just like a non Verizon Moto Nexus 6.
Many people bought them as it was basically the "dev" version of the XT1254 with unlock-able bootloader.
Moto released two Quarks under 3 model names. The XT1250 and XT1254 are identical in every way, except the Verizon branded one has a locked bootloader.
The XT1250 is sold by various regional CDMA/LTE carriers in the U.S.. Same FCC ID.
The XT1225 is sold in other countries and has exact same hardware specs as the XT1254/1250, but does not have CDMA. Just like non Verizon variants of the 2014 Moto X doesn't have CDMA and will have slightly different LTE bands. They're all the same phone. There was no "exclusive". And the XT1250 is the exact clone of the XT1254, including the bands.
The XT1225 got Lollipop in March, by the way.
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These are the bands the XT1250 receives -- the U.S. Moto Maxx, which is sold by smaller regional CDMA/LTE carriers in the United States:
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The XT1250 Moto Maxx is IDENTICAL to the XT1254 Verizon Droid Turbo -- same FCC ID, same bands, same specs -- except it has an unlock-able bootloader. The XT1250 is basically the "dev" version of the Droid Turbo. You can unlock the bootloader, install TWRP recovery, root, etc.
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The U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250 is not to be confused with the International Moto Maxx XT1225 and Moto Turbo XT1225 (see even the Turbo name is not exclusive), which are also Moto Quark phones but do not have CDMA bands enabled, and have a slightly different mix of LTE bands. All the XT1225 models are the same device, in spite of having two model names (Moto Turbo and Moto Maxx). Same FCC ID across all regions, same SKU.
See, there were basically two Motorola Quark phones -- with two different FCC IDs -- released under THREE model names:
FCC ID IHDT56PK1:
XT1254 U.S. Droid Turbo/XT1250 U.S. Moto Maxx (identical device, CMDA/GSM/HSPA/LTE bands -- except for model name). The XT1250 will run on Verizon, with a Verizon SIM card. This device has LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 7, 13 enabled.
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XT1225 "international" Moto Turbo/XT1225 "international" Moto Maxx (identical device, GSM/HPSA/LTE bands, except for model names). No CMDA. This LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 17 enabled.
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Of the two Quark models -- released under three models names (Moto Maxx, Moto Turbo, Droid Turbo) -- only the one with the model name "Droid Turbo" has locked down bootloader.
The XT1250 U.S. Moto Maxx is basically the "dev" version of the XT1254 "Droid Turbo" if you can get your hands on it. (unlock-able bootloader, can be easily rooted, TWRP installed, etc.)
FYI: in the U.S., due to the American Disability Act (ADA), a device with the same FCC ID as another is the SAME device, no matter if it has a different model name for marketing purpose. Devices are certified to work with hearing impaired by the FCC ID. Any company that messes that up is liable for millions of dollars in fines and lawsuits in the United States.
Thus the fact the XT1250 U.S. Moto Maxx and XT1254 Verizon Droid Turbo both have the same FCC ID shows the device and all the Droid Turbo device's specs/frquencies is NOT "exclusive" to Verizon. Only the name "Droid" is exclusive (because Verizon paid for the rights), not the device. Anyone that says differently is just believing Verizon's marketing lies and doesn't REALLY know about the technical/legal aspects of the cell phone industry.
Many people have bought the XT1250 U.S. Moto Maxx and run it on Verizon with a Verizon SIM card, just like a non Verizon Nexus 6. It's the same phone as the XT1254 Droid Turbo, just a different model name. Same FCC ID irrefutably proves it.
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It wasn't an exclusive phone. The name only was exclusive, and even then only the "Droid" part (because Verizon owns the rights). Moto used "Turbo" for another Quark too (Moto Turbo XT1225). Don't drink the Koolaid.
XT1250 U.S. Moto Maxx is the exact same phone as the XT1254, exact same FCC ID, exact same bands, works on Verizon with a Verizon SIM card -- just like a non Verizon Moto Nexus 6.
Many people bought them as it was basically the "dev" version of the XT1254 with unlock-able bootloader.
Moto released two Quarks under 3 model names. The XT1250 and XT1254 are identical in every way, except the Verizon branded one has a locked bootloader.
The XT1250 is sold by various regional CDMA/LTE carriers in the U.S.. Same FCC ID.
The XT1225 is sold in other countries and has exact same hardware specs as the XT1254/1250, but does not have CDMA. Just like non Verizon variants of the 2014 Moto X doesn't have CDMA and will have slightly different LTE bands. They're all the same phone. There was no "exclusive". And the XT1250 is the exact clone of the XT1254, including the bands.
The XT1225 got Lollipop in March, by the way.
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He was asking about the Droid Turbo which is exclusive to Verizon but I understand that " technically" it's not and the existence of other models, it even displays all the model numbers on our section [emoji14].
But I do stand by my statement. I should have said "for the most part" as there are always those exceptions. But generally speaking, Verizon is one of the fastest carriers to update their phones and that was the main message I was trying to convey.
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richii0207 said:
He was asking about the Droid Turbo which is exclusive to Verizon but I understand that " technically" it's not and the existence of other models, it even displays all the model numbers on our section [emoji14].
But I do stand by my statement. I should have said "for the most part" as there are always those exceptions. But generally speaking, Verizon is one of the fastest carriers to update their phones and that was the main message I was trying to convey.
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My point is the Droid Turbo is NOT NOT NOT exclusive to Verizon. There is not only another device sold in the U.S. that is identical (U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250), there are sibling series devices with slightly different bands -- just like the 2014 Moto X for Verizon and 2014 Moto X for AT&T have slightly different bands, and the Moto X for an British carrier has slightly different bands. Yet, they are all the Moto X. But the U.S. XT1250 and XT1254 have NO difference. It's the exact same device and both are sold by U.S. carriers. Verizon just chose to call theirs a "Droid".
The ONLY thing exclusive about the Droid Turbo, is the "Droid" name. The exact same device is sold by a dozen different regional carriers in the U.S. and will run on Verizon with a Verizon SIM card. When Verizon says it's "exclusive", they are legally correct because no other carrier/manufacturer is allowed to use the "Droid" name -- if all you care about it a name. But the exact same device/exact same FCC ID shows otherwise.
All the hack "tech" reporters repeat Verizon's marketing lies verbatim because most don't have a clue how the cell phone industry works or they want early access to devices -- one reason Apple gets a pass on outrageous lies.. Those who REALLY know about the cell phone industry know to take "exclusive" claims with a grain of salt, but they still may not challenge it in print because it can hurt them professionally. They will be blacklisted from early access
So, the real question is when did all the other Quarks receive Lollipop and when did Verizon's Quark receive Lollipop? The answer is March 21015 (for non carrier versions) and July 2015. Now, when will the other Quarks receive Marshmallow and when will the Verizon's Quark receive Marshmallow? For the record, I do not know if/when the U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250 received Lollipop. So, it's possible Verizon was not the last.
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These are the bands the XT1250 receives -- the U.S. Moto Maxx, which is sold by smaller regional CDMA/LTE carriers in the United States:
The XT1250 Moto Maxx is IDENTICAL to the XT1254 Verizon Droid Turbo -- same FCC ID, same bands, same specs -- except it has an unlock-able bootloader. The XT1250 is basically the "dev" version of the Droid Turbo. You can unlock the bootloader, install TWRP recovery, root, etc.
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The U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250 is not to be confused with the International Moto Maxx XT1225 and Moto Turbo XT1225 (see even the Turbo name is not exclusive), which are also Moto Quark phones but do not have CDMA bands enabled, and have a slightly different mix of LTE bands. All the XT1225 models are the same device, in spite of having two model names (Moto Turbo and Moto Maxx). Same FCC ID across all regions, same SKU.
See, there were basically two Motorola Quark phones -- with two different FCC IDs -- released under THREE model names:
FCC ID IHDT56PK1:
XT1254 U.S. Droid Turbo/XT1250 U.S. Moto Maxx (identical device, CMDA/GSM/HSPA/LTE bands -- except for model name). The XT1250 will run on Verizon, with a Verizon SIM card. This device has LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 7, 13 enabled.
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FCC ID IHDT56PK2:
XT1225 "international" Moto Turbo/XT1225 "international" Moto Maxx (identical device, GSM/HPSA/LTE bands, except for model names). No CMDA. This LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 17 enabled.
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Of the two Quark models -- released under three models names (Moto Maxx, Moto Turbo, Droid Turbo) -- only the one with the model name "Droid Turbo" has locked down bootloader.
The XT1250 U.S. Moto Maxx is basically the "dev" version of the XT1254 "Droid Turbo" if you can get your hands on it. (unlock-able bootloader, can be easily rooted, TWRP installed, etc.)
FYI: in the U.S., due to the American Disability Act (ADA), a device with the same FCC ID as another is the SAME device, no matter if it has a different model name for marketing purpose. Devices are certified to work with hearing impaired by the FCC ID. Any company that messes that up is liable for millions of dollars in fines and lawsuits in the United States.
Thus the fact the XT1250 U.S. Moto Maxx and XT1254 Verizon Droid Turbo both have the same FCC ID shows the device and all the Droid Turbo device's specs/frquencies is NOT "exclusive" to Verizon. Only the name "Droid" is exclusive (because Verizon paid for the rights), not the device. Anyone that says differently is just believing Verizon's marketing lies and doesn't REALLY know about the technical/legal aspects of the cell phone industry.
Many people have bought the XT1250 U.S. Moto Maxx and run it on Verizon with a Verizon SIM card, just like a non Verizon Nexus 6. It's the same phone as the XT1254 Droid Turbo, just a different model name. Same FCC ID irrefutably proves it.
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After sunshine.
As far as asking the question of when VZW will get the update out goes, the Droid Turbo is a VZW exclusive. The other variants of the phone would not control when the Droid Turbo get the update. Get off your high horse.
koftheworld said:
I think we get it in may or June. I have no confidence in the new moto nor do they have a good track record.
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No kidding.. they were supposed to release lolipop for the Ultra/Mini, and by the time I retired my Mini like 3 weeks ago it still didn't have LP.
I just purchase a Moto X Play on Swappa and it was listed in the XT1562 group but the seller had a pic of the "about phone" screen with the model #XT-1564 listed. I couldn't find any information anywhere on this specific model. I purchased it after talking with T-mobile and they Guaranteed it would work on their system with no issues...
Any ideas?
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I just purchase a Moto X Play on Swappa and it was listed in the XT1562 group but the seller had a pic of the "about phone" screen with the model #XT-1564 listed. I couldn't find any information anywhere on this specific model. I purchased it after talking with T-mobile and they Guaranteed it would work on their system with no issues...
Any ideas?
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A quick Google search and found this
Moto X Play美国LRA单卡版XT1564 Android 5.1.1全新LPD23.118-25官方底包
文件名X_Play_XT1564_LUX_LRA_5.1.1_LPD23.118-25_cid9_CFC.xml.zipMD5校验码D6BD187FD24B2D2A184D5ADD7129929B适用机型Motorola XT1564*RETLRACID区域美国 0x09Android 版本Android 5.1.1 Lollipop™Android 版本号LPD23.118-25系统版本Blur_Version.23.21.25.lux_lra.lra.en.US基带版本M8936_2020614.27.03.21.36.03RFSG版本FSG-LUX-02.43Bootloader版本80.E2GPT分区表版本02
Based on the naming of the firmware, this variant is specific to Brightpoint US. Meanwhile XT1565 is specific to Verizon aka Droid Maxx 2.
That's strange since this the Moto X Play wasn't released in the states...
Xt1564 is the variant issued to regional cdma carriers in USA partnered with Verizon under their lra (LTE in rural America) program.
I work for one of the carriers that sells this phone and it's like an unbranded Droid maxx 2 which is what the play is I think? Also the accessories we sell for the phone is branded for Droid maxx 2. We tested this phone to see if gsm unlocked with an AT&T sim and it worked fine LTE and all. Unable to verify for t mobile or band 12 support. Sorry not the best reply but hope this helps those who wonder about this variant.
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Xt1564 is the variant issued to regional cdma carriers in USA partnered with Verizon under their lra (LTE in rural America) program.
I work for one of the carriers that sells this phone and it's like an unbranded Droid maxx 2 which is what the play is I think? Also the accessories we sell for the phone is branded for Droid maxx 2. We tested this phone to see if gsm unlocked with an AT&T sim and it worked fine LTE and all. Unable to verify for t mobile or band 12 support. Sorry not the best reply but hope this helps those who wonder about this variant.
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I was told by T-Mobile this should work without an issue. I'll let you know in the next few days, mine is arriving tomorrow. I'll set it up before I leave the States and then test it in Europe.
Well, set the phone up and used it in Switzerland for a few days. Then came back to the States and have had no issues whatsoever. Great phone with incredible battery life, I would highly recommend!
Yeap device is for Rural America is the one I received here in Puerto Rico factory SIM unlocked single sim 16gb Moto X Play XT1564
I would love to see if this worked on Verizon.
mtoomey79 said:
I would love to see if this worked on Verizon.
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It will, it's originally for Verizon lra partner carriers which run on same network types of Verizon itself. cdma and LTE band 13. Some features native to vzw may not work like VoLTE and stuff though.
Can you speak more on the price or how to get one of these @evilryry ?
Would love to get my hands on a non-bloated Play/Maxx if I could.
My carrier I work for sells full price for like 399, I'm not sure how people can get them outside of the carriers that offer it
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My carrier I work for sells full price for like 399, I'm not sure how people can get them outside of the carriers that offer it
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Interesting. Are you able to say the carrier or provide a website to order? Seems cheaper than a full-price Maxx.
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Interesting. Are you able to say the carrier or provide a website to order? Seems cheaper than a full-price Maxx.
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My carrier I work for, bluegrass cellular, does not sell phones to people who don't have lines of service with us. Can't speak for other carriers. This is a list of carriers partnered with Verizon under their lra partnership, who may carry this phone. Some carriers don't have it.
Bluegrass Cellular; Cross Telephone; Pioneer Cellular; Cellcom; Thumb Cellular; Strata Networks; S and R Communications;*Carolina West; Custer Telephone Cooperative; KPU Telecommunications; Chariton Valley Communication Corporation; Appalachian Wireless; Northwest Missouri Cellular; Chat Mobility; Matanuska Telephone Association; Wireless Partners; Triangle Communications; Nemont; Mid-Rivers Communications and Copper Valley Telecom.
Thanks for the lead @evilryry Looks like the prospects of buying one outright are pretty low after searching a few websites - I need to live in a service area AND sign up for service. It's no wonder they lock down what is nearly a perfect phone hardware wise to specific location services/carriers.
If you find a way to get one, please put me on the short list of people who really want one.
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Thanks for the lead @evilryry Looks like the prospects of buying one outright are pretty low after searching a few websites - I need to live in a service area AND sign up for service. It's no wonder they lock down what is nearly a perfect phone hardware wise to specific location services/carriers.
If you find a way to get one, please put me on the short list of people who really want one.
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Not sure if allowed to post on XDA so sorry if against rules,
Found one on eBay if you were interested still.
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=262275915662&alt=web
Thanks @evilryry just what I needed.
i bought a moto x play 1563 and the seller send me this phone... xt1564. any one knows the networks works? i need to know if works on 4g band4 and 3g in argentina... i dont want to open it. so i have to reurn it if not work
argertina bands
2G: 850 / 1900
3G: 850 / 1900
4G: Banda 4 (AWS, 1700) / Banda 28 (APT700, 700 MHz*)
A co-worker has a lightly used T-Mobile G6 I'm thinking about picking up. Obviously this phone is too new for custom ROMs to be out there yet, and from reading here it looks like there are no custom recoveries either; but when that all starts to happen, will separate custom ROMs have to be created for each carrier variant, or will any ROM run on any carrier variant?
Pardon me if this is a dumb question. I'm coming in from the Nexus 5, which didn't have carrier-specific models. Thanks.
From previous experience there's enough difference between carriers to requirements different ROMs.
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Good questions, I think most of the time this is necessary, but with the S7 for example it wasn't. This is my first LG too so we'll have to wait and see.
I have seen a few instances where two models have been compatible with one another. An old example would be the HTC Inspire 4g with the HTC Desire HD; the former was the domestic US models and the other was foreign. In another case, models both have bootloader unlocked and root available so the community choose to create roms compatible with both revisions.
I found the H850 and H830 (the LG G5?) had cross compatible development in some instances... Also, you could use Nexus 4 roms on the LG Optimus G once you completed the conversion process. I had the Optimus G and loved this capability!
Will it happen again, who knows.... we can only hope! I'm no developer, but just a rom junkie ;-p
But to answer the question directly: from the phones I've owned & read on the forums, you usually have carrier dependent roms. Now it seems more common to have no support on certain models altogether. This is why I sold my Galaxy Note 3 and now the LG G6 from at&t to get an unlocked T-Mobile variant.
reignlight said:
I have seen a few instances where two models have been compatible with one another. An old example would be the HTC Inspire 4g with the HTC Desire HD; the former was the domestic US models and the other was foreign. In another case, models both have bootloader unlocked and root available so the community choose to create roms compatible with both revisions.
I found the H850 and H830 (the LG G5?) had cross compatible development in some instances... Also, you could use Nexus 4 roms on the LG Optimus G once you completed the conversion process. I had the Optimus G and loved this capability!
Will it happen again, who knows.... we can only hope! I'm no developer, but just a rom junkie ;-p
But to answer the question directly: from the phones I've owned & read on the forums, you usually have carrier dependent roms. Now it seems more common to have no support on certain models altogether. This is why I sold my Galaxy Note 3 and now the LG G6 from at&t to get an unlocked T-Mobile variant.
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All the 2014 Moto Quarks run the same custom ROMs.
Droid Turbo XT1254,
U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250,
Moto Turbo XT1225 (India), and
"international" Moto Maxx XT1225 (LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 17).
All the way from Lollipop, Marshmallow, and now Nougat.
[ROMs][Quarks][List for Moto Maxx/Moto Turbo and Droid Turbo]
The phones are split between two different XDA forums, but the same ROMs are used by all the phones. The original CM dev @Skrilax_CZ made sure the kernel was cross-compatible, and it's stayed the way ever since.
The Quark was released at the same time as the Moto Nexus 6, and was basically 5.2" version of that phone -- but had a 3900 mAh battery! The Droid Turbo was the best known of the series, but I owned three of the Moto XT1225 as it has all the AT&T LTE bands. For some reason, Motorola changed the model names depending on country/carrier, but they all had the same hardware. The Droid Turbo was actually a CLONE of the U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250, with the same FCC ID and radio bands (LTE/CDMA). The XT1250 would run on Verizon with a Verizon SIM card because it was the EXACT same device. You could cross flash Verizon Motorola stock firmware onto an XT1250 to convert it into a "Droid Turbo" if you wished.
The XT1225 models had different FCC ID and radio, but still all the custom ROMs were compatible with ALL the Quarks, thanks to @Skrilax_CZ talent and foresight. And remains so to this day, even with a bunch of other devs now maintaining a variety of ROMs.
It seems the T-Mobile variant has a locked bootloader (which is not un-lockable). I'm guessing that will probably limit the amount of development for this variation of the G6. The only US model that is un-lockable is the US997 (not the US997 from US Cellular).
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It seems the T-Mobile variant has a locked bootloader (which is not un-lockable). I'm guessing that will probably limit the amount of development for this variation of the G6. The only US model that is un-lockable is the US997 (not the US997 from US Cellular).
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Yeah, I wound up buying unlockable US997s from B&H, passing up T-Mo's $500 buy-one-get-one offer with real regret.
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Yeah, I wound up buying unlockable US997s from B&H, passing up T-Mo's $500 buy-one-get-one offer with real regret.
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Didn't realize the OP was that old. Whoops. Still probably good info to have on the thread.
Got mine from B&H too.
What really is the difference between "International" and "Latin America" variants?
Same phone - G975F D/S.
Latin America is for, well - Latin America.
"International" version can be EMEA, Middle East, etc.
So pretty much 3-4 different world markets and the only two differences, from what I can see, is:
1. Where warranty is given (which countries)
2. How often and quick f/w updates are being pushed by Samsung.
A "seller" from NY (top notch reputation seller. No, it's not the eBay guy, it is a major electronic store) sells a Latin America variant and also an "international" version. There is no indication on the box which is which, so if you order an International phone it can be middle east, can be EMEA, etc. The phones are 100% genuine. As I said - top notch seller that has been in business for decades.
Am I correct, or am I missing something?
Thank you.
I think there is only one international model. The Hong Kong, China, Japan and Korean models are separate variants--not international models. On the other hand, the Latin American model seems to be exactly the same as the International Model with the exact same band support and specs. The Latin American model is basically the International Model specifically packaged for sale in Latin America.
As for updates I'm not sure what policy Samsung follows. Some people seem to think the international model receives updates based on region and claim to have gotten updates more quickly by using a VPN.
I've never read anything to indicate that the Latin American model doesn't receive the same updates as the International Model so it probably doesn't matter which one you purchase.
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I think there is only one international model. The Hong Kong, China, Japan and Korean models are separate variants--not international models. On the other hand, the Latin American model seems to be exactly the same as the International Model with the exact same band support and specs. The Latin American model is basically the International Model specifically packaged for sale in Latin America.
As for updates I'm not sure what policy Samsung follows. Some people seem to think the international model receives updates based on region and claim to have gotten updates more quickly by using a VPN.
I've never read anything to indicate that the Latin American model doesn't receive the same updates as the International Model so it probably doesn't matter which one you purchase.
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I believe that there are different "international" versions.
The seller I am referring to is B&H, by all means a top tier reputable seller.
They offer an International version and a Latin America version.
The Latin America one comes with literature in English and Spanish and the warranty card lists several central America countries where you can obtain warranty service.
The International version - at least the one they currently have - has Arabic printed on the box (in addition to English of course), and the literature inside is both English and Arabic. This version's warranty card lists middle east and African countries where service is provided. This phone also comes with a Type G power adapter which is used in the UK, as well as some middle eastern countries, Singapore and others.
I don't have have first hand knowledge but I am willing to bet money that phones sold in Europe for example have European countries listed in their warranty cards.
Again - both phones are G975F D/S.
So the logical conclusion is that there are several international versions of this phone which are probably similar to what you stated above (packaged to sell in a specific part of the world).
In regards to the updates - I didn't mean some don't get updates but rather how often/frequent and how soon. For example, TPA (Panama) received ASIG update on Sep. 24 and then ASJD on Oct. 29, whereas European phones (BTU, DBT, AUT, for example) received ASII in between and they are already on ASJG.