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I've been doing a lot of research, and reading on the G1 forum, but i was just curious what you guys thought about the new Tmobile G1. It looks like a really slick phone and I'm seriously thinking about ordering it.
I know a lot of people will post the "its awesome" pitch.... but honestly
pros: extremely powerful hardware with a very stable operating system.
cons: the operating system is very new... meaning that there is no real software or rom development out there for it.... meaning no customization. (and currently no real games at all!!!! lol)
conclusion: im happy enough with my wing that i PERSONALLY will stick with it for a while (especially with ttrans new 7.4 rom - great performance and plenty of space).... as soon as some real progress is made in development for android i will buy a G1
I pre-ordered mine 2 hours ago and can't wait to get mine on November 10th.
I have the Wing and love it but I'm the type of person that gets bored really fast. So G1 here I come!
elsucio03 said:
I pre-ordered mine 2 hours ago and can't wait to get mine on November 10th.
I have the Wing and love it but I'm the type of person that gets bored really fast. So G1 here I come!
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Well if your that type of person then you will only be entertained by the G1 for about a week... i've been doing some reseach on it and most of the reviews say that its pretty basic and needs work by developers! the only reason i would get one is the fact that it has the hardware to support 3G..but my location wont have it till next year so im happy with my wing!!
i personally love my wing
i can see my self upgrading to the touch pro instead of the g1
i ilke the innovative look the the g1 but if i get some hand on with it i can see which phone i will go to
i have had a lot of hands on with the touch diamond so i can fix a lot of the issues with the touch pro if i get it
Look, I loved my Wing when I had it too. But any one who thinks the G1 won't blow the Wing out of the water is ridiculously stupid. And I don't say that to offend any one either. Do some research. Look at what the phone can do and what they phone will do in the future. People can make applications. That right there says a bunch. Imagine the kind of **** we'll be able to use. Android may be new, but it's gotten great reviews. As time goes on, it will only get better for the G1 and its users. There's a reason they've sold over 1.5 million pre-orders for the G1. Stick with Windows Mobile if you want, lol.
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Look, I loved my Wing when I had it too. But any one who thinks the G1 won't blow the Wing out of the water is ridiculously stupid. And I don't say that to offend any one either. Do some research. Look at what the phone can do and what they phone will do in the future. People can make applications. That right there says a bunch. Imagine the kind of **** we'll be able to use. Android may be new, but it's gotten great reviews. As time goes on, it will only get better for the G1 and its users. There's a reason they've sold over 1.5 million pre-orders for the G1. Stick with Windows Mobile if you want, lol.
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i think i will i do want to try the g1 but i dont like how limited the 3g coverage is but it does look like a good phone
itslinx said:
Look, I loved my Wing when I had it too. But any one who thinks the G1 won't blow the Wing out of the water is ridiculously stupid. And I don't say that to offend any one either. Do some research. Look at what the phone can do and what they phone will do in the future. People can make applications. That right there says a bunch. Imagine the kind of **** we'll be able to use. Android may be new, but it's gotten great reviews. As time goes on, it will only get better for the G1 and its users. There's a reason they've sold over 1.5 million pre-orders for the G1. Stick with Windows Mobile if you want, lol.
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I just wish I had one so I could actually spend time with it. The fact that it's more or less open source, means there will be a ton of programs and applications once there is time to make them. I think I'll hold off for a bit, but 179 is ridiculously cheap compared to the wing, and has the hardware to smoke, but for the time being, I think I'll just keep moddin my wing and do some more research.
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I just wish I had one so I could actually spend time with it. The fact that it's more or less open source, means there will be a ton of programs and applications once there is time to make them. I think I'll hold off for a bit, but 179 is ridiculously cheap compared to the wing, and has the hardware to smoke, but for the time being, I think I'll just keep moddin my wing and do some more research.
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amen to that
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amen to that
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Hey congrats on your 100th post. You are officially a SENIOR member. Glad I could help!
i believe the g1 will b a wonderful fone but wing is an excellent fone.u guys are jumping to the g1 not knowing wat ur getting into ill wait to get one 2nd hand.just my two cents
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i believe the g1 will b a wonderful fone but wing is an excellent fone.u guys are jumping to the g1 not knowing wat ur getting into ill wait to get one 2nd hand.just my two cents
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Nah, I'm going to wait and do more research and see what programs, roms, and games become available. I think I'll stick with the wing for now, and just mod and flash roms every other week! lol. But, the G1 is only 179 so thats a huge price drop. Either way, I really can't wait to see what becomes available for the G1.
what would be great would be a g1 wm6 port - with fully functional drivers..... i know everyone is talking about getting android on their phone, but just think for a second how nice it would be to get a nice new extremely fast phone for 170 odd dollars and continue using all the software you are familiar with.... and then as soon as application development and customization become mainsteam for android you could always flash back. i know its too much to wish for because of the lack of drivers, but it would be great for me if it ended up happening
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what would be great would be a g1 wm6 port - with fully functional drivers..... i know everyone is talking about getting android on their phone, but just think for a second how nice it would be to get a nice new extremely fast phone for 170 odd dollars and continue using all the software you are familiar with.... and then as soon as application development and customization become mainsteam for android you could always flash back. i know its too much to wish for because of the lack of drivers, but it would be great for me if it ended up happening
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You know, that would be PERFECT. I'm really not that familiar with the Android o.s., but if they could incorporate it into WM6, then it would be hands down the winner. We could use everything we already use to load applications, etc. Since it's supposed to be open source, maybe somebody will figure out how to do it?!?
G1 vs Wing
This month in PC Magazine (October 2008) Sascha Sagan, the director of new product reviews, said this,"never buy a product in the first few weeks after it comes out. Wait a month. By then... you will be able to tell if something is really worth a buy".
My two cents,
Paul D.
G1 will eventually be better than the wing, just not now. There's alot of holes that need patching up in the os to make it a real competitor to wm. When u compare Android right now to say ttran otp 7.x, Android isn't even in the same league. But give it some time, and maybe Android 2.0, then u'll really start seeing what G1 can do.
Also, this will be a fun phone in regards to xda's developing and hacking community and also to us, the end-user. As people start accessing and examing the innards of Android, who knows what juicy things can be created and imagined. Only issue i see is the stuff they left out, but the os seems to be solid with no real problems experienced. Messaging needs work, with mms being the main problem (can't send gifs or video).
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G1 will eventually be better than the wing, just not now. There's alot of holes that need patching up in the os to make it a real competitor to wm. When u compare Android right now to say ttran otp 7.x, Android isn't even in the same league. But give it some time, and maybe Android 2.0, then u'll really start seeing what G1 can do.
Also, this will be a fun phone in regards to xda's developing and hacking community and also to us, the end-user. As people start accessing and examing the innards of Android, who knows what juicy things can be created and imagined. Only issue i see is the stuff they left out, but the os seems to be solid with no real problems experienced. Messaging needs work, with mms being the main problem (can't send gifs or video).
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Yeah I agree. Seeing how this phone is really meant to be modified, I can't even imagine the amount of software, roms, mods, etc there will be for this phone. I do think it will take some time, so I believe I will hold off, but I'm pretty excited about it.
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You know, that would be PERFECT. I'm really not that familiar with the Android o.s., but if they could incorporate it into WM6, then it would be hands down the winner. We could use everything we already use to load applications, etc. Since it's supposed to be open source, maybe somebody will figure out how to do it?!?
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that is exactly what i want. i just want to keep useing windows mobile. it has been around for ever (ce). hopefully someone in the linux community will figure out how to flash it to what ever you want.
I am a G1/Wing owner. I got my G1 2 days ago and i can tell you, i am very happy with the phone so far. I do miss using TTran's OPT and hope they port TouchFlo2D to Android. The Manilla Theme is the best i've seen!
I am also one of those people that would much rather run Linux on my PCs at home, but don't because i am in the IT field so i need to stay current on Windows. Anyhow, I understand people wanting to wait and recommend most do that. I am not usually the type to jump on a product at Version 1 until some updates and public testing has been done. But i am looking forward to Android's growing pains!
I just upgraded to a G1. What I did was, when the G1 presale was announced, I called to say I was going to cancel my service soon and asked what they would offer to keep me. The CS rep asked what I had in mind. I said I wanted the to see if there was a way to get the G1 with 1 a year contract. The CS rep told me not until after the actual launch but she would lower my unlimited family text messaging to $9.99 permanently if I would wait until the launch to decide. I agreed. So today, I called back for the G1. They offered me the G1 for $179 + NO $18 upgrade fee if I agreed to keep my four lines for 1 year. So, that's what I did. I wasn't going to cancel anyway because, it's hard top beat T-Mo's rates, even if the coverage is a little weaker than other carriers in my area. My Wing will likely be up for sale after I evaluate the G1.
Update:
I just canceled my order. I don't want to put $800 on the line to save $300.
hello everyone,
its sad to say but (is it just me) seems as thought developments on our tab have ceased. there have been no beta no news nothing........
its a shame such a potential device.....
ah well......
That is not true. Currently some users are working on getting ubuntu to run on the galaxy ran natively.
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There is a bounty on the tab
just wait...
Probably the devs are taking a deep look into the Honeycomb ports. The Tab was made for it and I´m sure as soon as a Samsung Honeycomb Dump hits the ground, We will be using it in no time.
There is currently a bounty on the tab for a modem that allows 3G and voice at the same time. I'm guessing that many of the devs are currently working on a solution to the problem. This is going to take some time and skill to solve.
Another issue is Honeycomb. I'm betting that most of the devs are busy trying to get at the Honeycomb code so that they can begin trying to port it to the tab.
These developers have lives (jobs, families, etc.) outside of developing and many of them can't spend a great deal of their spare time trying to solve issues that the rest of us have.
They'll be here soon enough. Have patience.
Yea don't worry, this device is still popular, and because the new tab is 10.1. So i'm sure many people will still prefer this for mobility reason. Spring is around the corner
wow..positive
wow.. lovely to see so much positivness(is this even a word)
and really hope that they are cooking up something that would leave us WOW.
moments like this i wish i paid more attention in class and maybe learned to program.
as you can see DEVELOPER FOR OUR DEVICE we have faith in you guys...
keep it up.. and we know its stressful with wives..kids...work...ecc
Also a bit of good news from Samsung deciding that their first Honeycomb tablet will be a 10" model likely means the current Tab will continue to be sold for a while longer. If they had released a replacement that was the same size it would have pretty much killed any additional sales of the current model.
Yeah as soon as the honeycomb source hits aosp it will go boom
The development might be a little slower compared to other devices but hey, slowly but steady just be patient.... the tab will rock!
No boom that I heard but the source is available.
All I want for a early christmas is a vanilla froyo rom with overclocking ability
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godwinvandamme said:
wow.. lovely to see so much positivness(is this even a word)
and really hope that they are cooking up something that would leave us WOW.
moments like this i wish i paid more attention in class and maybe learned to program.
as you can see DEVELOPER FOR OUR DEVICE we have faith in you guys...
keep it up.. and we know its stressful with wives..kids...work...ecc
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The word your looking for is positivity
I think the reason for slow development is due to the price of the device. Especially with the new devices coming out...people will start developing less and less. That's just my guess.
From the Tab.
www.twitter.com/ayman07
godwinvandamme said:
hello everyone,
its sad to say but (is it just me) seems as thought developments on our tab have ceased. there have been no beta no news nothing........
its a shame such a potential device.....
ah well......
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Did you look in the development forum?
Samsung are about to launch not one new Tablet (10.1") but a second (8.9") quite soon.
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No boom that I heard but the source is available.
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of honeycomb? Gingerbread is the latest on AOSP, checked 1 hour ago...
Only the final honeycomb sdk was released today
Ah drat. Nobody sent me the memo about development stopping... I guess I'll stop working on getting stock Linux / Ubuntu / Debian working on the Tab and sell it.
Seriously though, at least where I'm from, the Tab is ridiculously expensive (~$1200 or so). Many people simply don't have that sort of money to drop on something which is in my view, essentially a toy. (I got mine as a present from Hong Kong, to be honest I wouldn't have bought it with my own money)
Nononono...
godwinvandamme said:
hello everyone,
its sad to say but (is it just me) seems as thought developments on our tab have ceased. there have been no beta no news nothing........
its a shame such a potential device.....
ah well......
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The 10.1 moto tab is a huge and overpowered device (considering what it still CAN'T do that other higher powered portable devices CAN, (ie. laptop etc). It's too unwieldy for a mobile ebook reader but not functional enough to be a laptop replacement for students or professionals (no inking potential, less portability along with a netbook/laptop for support). It's a giant portable media player and Angry Birds arcade machine for early adopters and morons with too much money. As soon as the hype dies down, folks interests will turn back to devices that can run android 3, but cost a third less and are actually portable. **** like the Xoom is worthless until it can ACTUALLY replace the need for a keyboard/mouse/microsoft etc. because half-measures won't work for the masses (joe six-pack just wants convenience). This is the HP-TC1000 all over again.
There will be Honeycomb for the Galaxy Tab. The lemmings will love the Xoom, but the rest of us want function over form.
The title pretty much says it all. After a few failed interactions with SamsungJohn; by failed I mean asking legitimate questions and receiving no real answers. Being left with the feeling of corporate glad-handing. I am wondering if anyone has received useful information from him.
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The title pretty much says it all. After a few failed interactions with SamsungJohn; by failed I mean asking legitimate questions and receiving no real answers. Being left with the feeling of corporate glad-handing. I am wondering if anyone has received useful information from him.
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He did his job which is pr related. He came here to calm the storm that was brewing with xda members attacking the social networks for lack of support which boils down to he did nothing for us. A few brief conversations we had I don't think he knew much about development
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It's too late for Samsung... they will lose a huge amount of customers in the upcoming months...
Did you see their Q1 results? It's already happening...
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Did you see their Q1 results? It's already happening...
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That's economy not revenge. Us here at xda that care about getting timely updates are a really small % last year they sold the most android phones. They have the same goal this year. I think why they have slipped so far this year is they haven't released any cool phones yet ex... nexus s 4g not only that they still have 3 more quarters.
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jbadboy2007 said:
That's economy not revenge. Us here at xda that care about getting timely updates are a really small % last year they sold the most android phones. They have the same goal this year. I think why they have slipped so far this year is they haven't released any cool phones yet ex... nexus s 4g not only that they still have 3 more quarters.
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I agree with badboy on this one, combination of economy and lack of phone releases caused the single quarter drop.
As for my original question, i am trying to be an optimist and am hoping to find at least a few people that SamsungJohn helped.
Probably nobody. The questions they were forcing people to ask were more like, "What is the CEO's favorite pony color?" instead of the meat people were wanting here.
Why is everyone fed up with Samsung? They've given us FroYo and amazing hardware (we were top for quite awhile), only surpassed by dual core processors...
I'm glad with the support I've received and with the devs here no one should be complaining.
All the cool kids are doing it. Besides, if no one slams Samsung every 5 minutes we'd all look pretty stupid standing around holding pitchforks and burning brooms.
Personally I've never had any issue with Samsungs support. Releasing 2.2 within 6 months of release seemed pretty fast to me... and exactly what they said they would do (<6 months into a 24 month expected lifespan IS 'soon'). I have never had any unusual or abnormal deficiencies from the phone in any way.
Samsungs problems aren't with phones right now its the other stuff like LCD tvs. Updates have nothing to do with it even Apple seems to be falling a little(with there giant line of BS) so its probably more economy based
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All the cool kids are doing it. Besides, if no one slams Samsung every 5 minutes we'd all look pretty stupid standing around holding pitchforks and burning brooms.
Personally I've never had any issue with Samsungs support. Releasing 2.2 within 6 months of release seemed pretty fast to me... and exactly what they said they would do (<6 months into a 24 month expected lifespan IS 'soon'). I have never had any unusual or abnormal deficiencies from the phone in any way.
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Samsung is only required to support their product for 6 months minimum, which means they didn't even have to release Froyo in the first place. And from my understanding, Samsung isn't the only manufacturer that has problems releasing updates.
Wait. How'd we get so far off topic? I thought we were talking about SamsungJohn, not Samsung.
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All the cool kids are doing it. Besides, if no one slams Samsung every 5 minutes we'd all look pretty stupid standing around holding pitchforks and burning brooms.
Personally I've never had any issue with Samsungs support. Releasing 2.2 within 6 months of release seemed pretty fast to me... and exactly what they said they would do (<6 months into a 24 month expected lifespan IS 'soon'). I have never had any unusual or abnormal deficiencies from the phone in any way.
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I'd appreciated not being lumped in as a "basher". I have a legitimate complaint about not receiving feedback and resolution to my issues.
I purchased my phone back in September, in the almost 7 months I have owned this phone some of the issues have been fixed others have been ignored.
I have sent 3 emails since September to Samsung Customer Service and Technical support, none of them were answered. I called Samsung and was promised a call back that never came. SamsungJohn comes around and asks us for a bugs/issues list. He asked me to upload mine to google docs then never addressed any of the issues. He told me he worked directly with R&D yet could provide no information on upcoming bug fixes, could not even answer questions like "is the R&D team aware of or working on xxxx bug?"
I'm not a "basher", I am asking if anyone has received any help from SamsungJohn.
EDIT: twolostminds: both of my posts were directed at overstews comment about everyone being sore, neither were directed at your post, just to be clear.
Well like I said, I personally don't feel they did anything wrong regarding the updates, it is about typical for any product support. I think somebodies HTC got a super fast update and it got everyones panties in a wad.
If anything were to dissuade me from buying another Samsung, it would be the crappy attitude of the owner community online.... but I would really have to actually read the whine threads a bit more carefully before that ever happened.
Let me chime in here for a minute. I'm disappointed in this as well. What upset me was the fact that SamsungJohn was wanting to build an ongoing "partnership" with the people at XDA. To the best of my knowledge he is no longer around and there is no explanation as to whats going on.
I feel your frustration as I was made promises that never happened. I had received a PM from SamsungJohn asking for my contact information. I never expected to actually hear from him but I did. I was basically told that Samsung wants to help foster the development we are doing here and would like to help in any way they could. I'm sure I'm not the only one he contacted as they were reaching out to the developers in general. I was asked not to discuss the contents of the conversation so I won't. I was told that I could express Samsungs desire to make things right. I was told that if I needed anything to let him know and he would do what he could to get us what we needed in order to keep the development moving forward. I was aloud to say that much. He was supposed to contact me again to possibly set something Autism related up. I never heard back from him. I have made a few attempts to contact him and have not received anything in return.
When I spoke with him he seemed like a really nice guy and I think he really did want to help. I don't think any of this is his fault. I think the powers that be just decided to go in a different direction. I don't know anything other than what I heard directly from him. I never got the sense that he was stringing us along and I know for a fact that he was reading my blog.
My opinion is that things for whatever reason just didn't work out. I don't blame him for that it was probably completely out of his control. It would be nice to hear from someone in the "know" as to the status of the situation. I think it could have been handled better and with more transparency but it is was it is. I don't think anyone is to blame least of all SamsungJohn himself. I still hope to hear from him as I would love to partner with Samsung on some Autism related things.
I do believe that he was being straight up with us and at the end of the day things were out of his control and he has a job to do.
Hope this helps.
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That's economy not revenge. Us here at xda that care about getting timely updates are a really small % last year they sold the most android phones. They have the same goal this year. I think why they have slipped so far this year is they haven't released any cool phones yet ex... nexus s 4g not only that they still have 3 more quarters.
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I disagree. The economy, overall, is up from this time last year. But Samsung's profits are down 4% QOQ and 42% YOY. Apple is up, Motorola up, HTC up... Tech everywhere is up.
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Did you see their Q1 results? It's already happening...
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That's economy not revenge. Us here at xda that care about getting timely updates are a really small % last year they sold the most android phones. They have the same goal this year. I think why they have slipped so far this year is they haven't released any cool phones yet ex... nexus s 4g not only that they still have 3 more quarters.
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im with zerloq on this one. did anyone see htc's q1 profit? they tripled it from the previous. you cant blame the economy for sammy but htc have record profits.
http://htcpedia.com/news/htc-triples-q1-profits.html
Hey John, if you read this just tell Samsung not to lock down their software and I'm sure you'll have a lot of repeat customers. You can also throw in that their devs aren't worth a damn and may want to consider outsourcing some of their work to a lot of the guys on these boards.
Personally I am not only disappointed and frustrated with both SamsungJohn and Samsung, but I feel used. He asked us as a community to help by creating list of issues and concerns. Many of us created very well thought out, detailed lists that included tremendous amounts of information including methods of recreating the issues. In exchange for our help they made vague promises of helping our community. SamsungJohn & Samsung took our hard work and information and promptly ignored us. I feel used.
well... at least you know now. I didnt really know what to think of it, but was hopeful. Oh well... corporations arent human... never will be.
These days, I'm seeing lots of supposed teams tossing zillions of ROMs that are no real improvement. I think I have tried 1 out 2 and I stopped the flashing game after I realized they are almost the same dog with a different collar.
Am I the only one? Is our Vibrant a stalled device in terms of REAL development? Come on, boys, less theming and more real improving!!
You're kidding, right?
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I'm not kidding. Can you name a ROM that is not CM7 that is making real improvements like proper GPS with sensors and no path-sliding in Gingerbread, improved battery, no problems entering deep sleep and being fast?
Any ROM GB ROM that doesn't not suck, lasting less than 15 hours with moderate use?
You wanna go beg samsung to release source? Wait. Dont. By the way you type, you seem like a genius that can build us a source!
JMN... everyone jumped ship and started working on Gingerbread... without anything specific for our phone. I guess you could say we are stalled in that regard. Nobody wants 2.2.... and the 2.3.+ roms are missing a lot of the key things needed for what you seek. It is what it is.
Go pester T-Mobile and Samsung, not XDA/community/developers.
I do.
If it were as easy as you make it seem, I am sure our Vibrant would have a 100% working CM7 right now. Problem is, it isn't. We don't have any source code for Gingerbread, our GPS is from a half-baked file for the Galaxy S 4G, and Samsung decided to use several proprietary loops inside their source code that make the code counter-intuitive. As a result, our developers basically have to reverse engineer a good portion of the code itself.
Or you are more than welcome to start working on it yourself. Seems as up until JVQ dropped on I9000 I was the only one actually doing anything (with of course a couple other good people dropping in from time to time). From April until now we went from a build that was barely usable for more than a couple hours to builds that are definite daily drivers. Granted there are still some flaws but with less than a handful of people do any real developing on what free time we do have and for no incentive other than the thank you button and occasional donation I'd say we're doing pretty damn good.
In the words of someone famous you're either part of the solution or you're part of the problem. Which are you going be?
EDIT: My statement above is putting CM7/MIUI aside, different animal/problems/features/pluses/minuses.
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I dunno man, I found a ROM that does everything that you listed. What you're asking is a lot of development time for marginal improvements.
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So what do you gotta say now bro?
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its not that easy to build a rom thats so great people build on xda some can be slightly better than others but hey thats why u get updates, if ur looking for good battery life on gb use an i9000 port like simplyhoney and u wont be mad about the battery life on the other hand i use cm7 and have been on it ever since nightlies started being released i will tell u it came a long way from no gps and battery drain to a half working gps which is still functional to decent battery life and i am grateful for all the hard work but into it
Funny seems like JMN went silent!
I think he got served!
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Biting the hands that feed... smh
OK, OK.
Please, forgive me for my anger being unleashed. Maybe it was that I see newer devices having a plethora of updates and improvements, or maybe because with my previous device (HTC Polaris running Windows Mobile 6) there was a man (XDA member know as DZO) that reverse engineered it, driver by driver to make a fully fledged Android device.
I ask you for your understanding, and hope you pardon me. You're right: the real problem here is that T-Mobile and Samsung abandoned the Vibrant to its own luck.
Lots of devs jumped ships because of that. I don't make them guilty about this situation, although I did in my first post. Sorry about that.
I'm a dev myself, but not so low level. I cannot compile drivers or reverse engineer. Otherwise, I would really like to collaborate with Atinm and the others.
Please, don't abandon or blame the Vibrant and other Galaxy S devices and try to squeeze all the juice out of it. If we all switch to the latest device, manufacturers will always laugh at us selling slightly different hardware, not upgrades for our totally capable devices.
Nothing more to add. Sorry for my rough and disrespectful words I wrote before. Long live XDA-Devs.
My fellows, I went to the T-Mobile USA facebook site (http://www.facebook.com/TMobile) and published this on their wall:
"SHAME ON YOU, T-MOBILE! Where is Gingerbread for the T-Mobile VIBRANT???? Do you ever care about your users? Do you think we will eat every phone you release with no questions and wishing NO SUPPORT? We do buy devices with future in mind. A ONE-year-device has been ditched away because you are too busy selling the so called 4G version. Too obvious you're playing with us, playing the "buy me and forget me" game. Sorry, but never again to you, T-Mobile, or whatever you will be called after the merger."
I hope you could support me or write comments criticizing the way T-Mobile is acting upon us.
Thanks.
I just re-posted your message on T-Mobiles Facebook site. Not too sure where yours went. Maybe they deleted it.
Thanks a lot, dude. They have the site configured so you cannot see the posts that users write on the wall until you explicitly reveal them using the "Most recent" option (link http://www.facebook.com/TMobile?sk=wall&filter=1). It's there, I think. We need to cry out loud.
I absolutely approve of telling T-Mobile we are tired of waiting.....
Gingerbread = Security.
I posted this on their facebook, all we can do is hope one day they get the point.
"T-mobile, you have a very loyal customer base that bought one of 2010's best smartphones, the Samsung Vibrant. However, with the release of the Samsung Vibrant 4g, we have been left in the dark and seemingly ignored regarding security updates and notifications, specifically the gingerbread 2.3 update. We buy devices with the future in mind, and expect to have full support for the devices we spend our hard earned money on. We know that Samsung awaits your instruction to push the updates, and we respectfully request you do so immediately, in order to be up to date on stability, security, and support. This situation has bothered and frustrated many in the Vibrant community, we only ask that you extinguish that fire by providing us the update we deserve and earned, by being your customers."
people will never learn...
they cannot support devices forever. it seems like every single person thinks that once they buy a smartphone, they are guaranteed lifetime support. the cell phone industry is one of the fastest growing industries in the world. i would much rather them cut off my support and have a beast upgrade waiting for me, rather than them focus on constantly rolling out updates for every single device theyve ever created just to shut up *****y consumers. think about it, getting stuck with an outdated device makes it all that much better once you get your upgrade! its amazing im saying this, as i despise corporate america.
i realize the vibrant is just over a year removed, BUT THIS HAPPENS WITH EVERY SINGLE DEVICE. i guarantee if you go to ANY other forum for a device that is 1+ years old, 95% of them will be filled with threads like this. update this, update that, fix this, release this blahblahiwantmybottleblahblah. its not JUST tmobile. its not JUST samsung. these accusations are so narrow-minded. what would happen if they released gingerbread??? two months later, the cry babies would be right back in full swing, "wheres honeycomb?? release honeycomb source!!" it has to end somewhere, you can never satisfy everybody, let alone ANYBODY in the vibrant forum.
its the industry. its the way it works, so stop acting like we are the only ones who are "suffering". its such an ignorant, narcissistic way of looking at it. enjoy what you got, nothings ever built to last. youre "stuck" with a damn good device, it is what you make it. weekly threads begging for gingerbread, or ****ting on tmobile/samsung is clearly not getting it done. so maybe people should be spending their time differently instead of constantly *****ing: get familiar with linux, learn to compile/decompile, learn to theme...its amazing how much fun (yes, without source!) youll be able to have once you learn some stuff. keep yourself busy creating new things, youll take more pride in your device knowing its something that YOU created, as opposed to trolling around and downloading anything you can get your sticky fingers on.
gingerbread isnt here....but neither is the end of the world.
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people will never learn...
they cannot support devices forever. it seems like every single person thinks that once they buy a smartphone, they are guaranteed lifetime support. the cell phone industry is one of the fastest growing industries in the world. i would much rather them cut off my support and have a beast upgrade waiting for me, rather than them focus on constantly rolling out updates for every single device theyve ever created just to shut up *****y consumers. think about it, getting stuck with an outdated device makes it all that much better once you get your upgrade! its amazing im saying this, as i despise corporate america.
i realize the vibrant is just over a year removed, BUT THIS HAPPENS WITH EVERY SINGLE DEVICE. i guarantee if you go to ANY other forum for a device that is 1+ years old, 95% of them will be filled with threads like this. update this, update that, fix this, release this blahblahiwantmybottleblahblah. its not JUST tmobile. its not JUST samsung. these accusations are so narrow-minded. what would happen if they released gingerbread??? two months later, the cry babies would be right back in full swing, "wheres honeycomb?? release honeycomb source!!" it has to end somewhere, you can never satisfy everybody, let alone ANYBODY in the vibrant forum.
its the industry. its the way it works, so stop acting like we are the only ones who are "suffering". its such an ignorant, narcissistic way of looking at it. enjoy what you got, nothings ever built to last. youre "stuck" with a damn good device, it is what you make it. weekly threads begging for gingerbread, or ****ting on tmobile/samsung is clearly not getting it done. so maybe people should be spending their time differently instead of constantly *****ing: get familiar with linux, learn to compile/decompile, learn to theme...its amazing how much fun (yes, without source!) youll be able to have once you learn some stuff. keep yourself busy creating new things, youll take more pride in your device knowing its something that YOU created, as opposed to trolling around and downloading anything you can get your sticky fingers on.
gingerbread isnt here....but neither is the end of the world.
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To be honest, support for the Vibrant has been pretty much nonexistent from T-Mobile, I don't think it's too much to ask for a GB ROM from them and Samsung, had T-Mobile been into providing us service instead of trying to sell out we could have had a beter chance at some real support.
i wondered how long this would take... what do windows phone /nokia folks think of the looks of this ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tRZxM9rNyZ4
looks to me like wp8.5 / wp9 better reallllly be on it's game if it wants to solidify third place in 2013.
discuss.
Nice video
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i wondered how long this would take... what do windows phone /nokia folks think of the looks of this ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tRZxM9rNyZ4
looks to me like wp8.5 / wp9 better reallllly be on it's game if it wants to solidify third place in 2013.
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Really didn't see anything my WP doesn't do or even my WP7.......I would like to see more but nice video nonetheless
Only problems I see will be the hardware and distribution.
Otherwise it could be a home run.
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Am I wrong, or does the home screen pretty much look like BB10? It is nice looking and well designed, but doesn't seem especially functional. I'm sure BB10 will bring much more competition to WP8 than this will.
They should probably be hoping that someone like Samsung buys them out because I don't see how this thing will have any chance at success.
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Am I wrong, or does the home screen pretty much look like BB10? It is nice looking and well designed, but doesn't seem especially functional. I'm sure BB10 will bring much more competition to WP8 than this will.
They should probably be hoping that someone like Samsung buys them out because I don't see how this thing will have any chance at success.
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"bring competition to wp8" ?
third place is still up for grabs between meego/jolla, bb10, wpx, and whoever is still left.
keep in mind, this "thing" was started by the engineers of nokia, pre-elop'd nokia... remember them ?
annnnd, they built in the possiblity to run android apps, so their app market will be huge, immediately.
never underestimate the engineers.
more than anything I was curious what the wp folks that were impressed by tiles thought of the ui.
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Really didn't see anything my WP doesn't do or even my WP7.......I would like to see more but nice video nonetheless
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Agreed. the other perspective is, it will be doing everything your current ios/droid/wp7 or 8 does, in its very first release...
I wonder how well it handles resources and multitasks. looks smooth so far.
Its Meego engineers, multitasking will be amazing.
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Its a modded android. The square interface with photos and music has been around for some time now.
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Its a modded android. The square interface with photos and music has been around for some time now.
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I second this, you can even see the Android logo clear as day at the 0:50 mark.
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Its a modded android. The square interface with photos and music has been around for some time now.
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Lol
This does look cool, Caught sight few days ago, As far as I can tell it's Meego developers continuing their work after leaving Nokia, #sailfish , Can't see it being a threat to ios or Android but maybe to Wp depending on how the final relase pans out, All I can say is keep your eyes on jolla as it's certainly got potential.
It looks pretty cool, it has a nice distinctive visual style. Though the homescreen is really just a mix of WP live tiles with iOS icons docked at the bottom.
If Jolla secures solid hardware suppliers it will be in my pocket.
Too bad Elop didn't see past the windows logo.
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ohgood said:
i wondered how long this would take... what do windows phone /nokia folks think of the looks of this ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tRZxM9rNyZ4
looks to me like wp8.5 / wp9 better reallllly be on it's game if it wants to solidify third place in 2013.
discuss.
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What do I think? That's a complicated question. I can tell you how I feel:
Annoyed that they used a Nokia in their demo. Since they don't have anything to do with them anymore they should have used their own hardware. Especially since they have stated that there will be no official 950/N9 support.
Sad and melancholy since the N9 was the single best Mobile I've used in the last couple years. It was the last thing I felt that was truly, truly "Nokia". Man was the N9 good. And boy do I miss it since:
I feel tired and short tempered with Windows Phone. Already. Here's a thought for Microsoft: Instead of spending dollars and time on celebrity endorsements and dog and pony shows? Or quasi secret launches? Or useless crap like “kids corner" and “rooms"? You make live tiles actually work reliably, every time. Or have separate volume controls? Or fix the Wi-Fi timeout screen bug? Or actually build an IE that completes with Chrome and Safari for a Mobile device? VPN support? Or not have to take up valuable home screen space on a battery percentage application? That really cool lock screen app integration I have yet to see? A solution for notifications that should have launched with 7? You know: simple stuff that should have been supported out of the gate, at launch. If I read one more comment about it coming in an update I'll explode. Because I'm really wondering what they did with their time in between 7.5 and now.
I feel mystified with Nokia. How on earth can you release the 920 with such a fantastic, fantastic camera at low light and be so ridiculously bad at daylight shots. Seriously? How do you not get fired for this?
I have serious questions about the usability of Sailfish as a daily driver. But who knows:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtEbOGuxuig
I dunno man. I'm tired. I haven't slept and your question feels a bit mean spirited. Or maybe I just am reading into this more that I should. Or maybe, sitting at the edge of my dreams is a 920 running Meego and then Sailfish.
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What do I think?....
.....I have serious questions about the usability of Sailfish as a daily driver. But who knows:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtEbOGuxuig
I dunno man. I'm tired. I haven't slept and your question feels a bit mean spirited. Or maybe I just am reading into this more that I should. Or maybe, sitting at the edge of my dreams is a 920 running Meego and then Sailfish.
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no mean spirits at all... your opinion and pointing out of the possible dtd shortcomings are appreciated.
what hardware it runs on doesn't matter to me at all. I got the feeling it was running on a nokia device as a longing by the software engineers to use something familiar (affection) and prove their ideas (then and now) are well founded and have merit. maybe to slap elop with a clue ? dunno, I'm not in their heads or discussions.
the resemblance of sailfish to palmos, android, and wp means it may have a really beautiful future for us. the competition this os will generate will be a win for all the consumers. I hear blackberry may be renetering in a huge way soon too... and welcome the real and furious competition for third place.
The N950 was most likely used because that phone was actually developed by Nokia as a MeeGo development device. Given that this is the basis of the current Sailfish OS it makes sense to use that hardware (drivers are already there, etc.)
Aside from that I don't believe that this will really go anywhere. The problem is that either they have their own Apps (which is highly unlikely due to the fact that developers don't exactlly jump at the chance of another incompatible OS) or use Android Apps which means that none of the special features the new OS would have would be used by those and that they would look and feel completely different than the rest of the OS, resulting in an incoherent mashup (like Android has been for quite some time, although it is getting better now with Holo).
In the end Apps and the so often mentioned ecosystem is what makes and breaks smartphone OSes nowadays. It won't have the first or at best run ones that are alien to the OS and key assets Nokia released with MeeGo like Nokia Drive won't be there. With the rest of the ecosystem it seems to look even worse. None of the music streaming services, movie rentals, etc.
I actually liked MeeGo as a concept and I wish Jolla luck with their endeavour but I actually believe that Elop took a long look at what MeeGo was, where it was going and how long that would have taken and when he saw that it would just not do entered into talks with Google and Microsoft. In the end Microsoft put the better deal on the table (or could anyone imagine Google paying 1 billion dollars a year for platform support). Also it would allow Nokia to monetize there mapping assets as part of the platform, which would have been a lot harder on Android given that Google Maps was already there. If it was the right decission - we'll see but ditching MeeGo at least to me - and even after having seen what Jolla did with the OS - was the one part of this whole story that was necessary.
OSs like Jolla will be great at pushing forward all of the competition.
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That's assuming that between Apple/Google/MS that they wont sue them out of being operational at all though. And then there's the whole thing of finding a HW partner that is willing to take on Apple/Google/MS as well as Carriers (Carriers at least in the US elsewhere in the world, where most phones are bought as unlocked and at their 'market pricing' doesn't have as much of an issue with Carrier support as we do sadly).
Looks like what The n9 could have been. Looks nice.
However, Windows is a big name, and the development forward with w8/rt might be interesting.
I hope wp8 takes flight, but only time will tell. I think it will.