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a bit disappointed with Vibrant development and accesories...

I thought by now we will have something good and yet there isnt a single case that i like, a back cover, or a holster.....
and the development forum is filled with bunch of lag fixes and roms (2 roms) that are not even as good and stable as stock.
no word on froyo yet, media hub is crap, etc...
With worldwide release i really thought this will be moving with speeds of Nexus.....I guess i was wrong. Its just horrible that they decided to release 5 different variations of Galaxy S. Different bodies, and even different hardware, and therefore different firmware as well

kolyan said:
I thought by now we will have something good and yet there isnt a single case that i like, a back cover, or a holster.....
and the development forum is filled with bunch of lag fixes and roms (2 roms) that are not even as good and stable as stock.
no word on froyo yet, media hub is crap, etc...
With worldwide release i really thought this will be moving with speeds of Nexus.....I guess i was wrong. Its just horrible that they decided to release 5 different variations of Galaxy S. Different bodies, and even different hardware, and therefore different firmware as well
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It will come. There is a major learning curve since this is much coherent than the htc built phones. As for accessories yeah.. But it's only been 2 months, be patent..

i too thought that dev would have jumped all over galaxy S phones right away. i know there is a learning curve from htc phones, but i though they would be all over these as they all have the same basic hardware.
I do appreciate the dev who are here and helping and working
i wish for more accessories too

Honestly, this is the first android phone I've owned, I am quite impressed with the activity by the devs. There seems to be a lot of effort into designing tweaks that will lead to some quality changes to our Vibrants after the bugs are worked out.

kolyan said:
I thought by now we will have something good and yet there isnt a single case that i like, a back cover, or a holster.....
and the development forum is filled with bunch of lag fixes and roms (2 roms) that are not even as good and stable as stock.
no word on froyo yet, media hub is crap, etc...
With worldwide release i really thought this will be moving with speeds of Nexus.....I guess i was wrong. Its just horrible that they decided to release 5 different variations of Galaxy S. Different bodies, and even different hardware, and therefore different firmware as well
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If you are unhappy with development roll up your sleeves and start helping.

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If you are unhappy with development roll up your sleeves and start helping.
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i would, but unfortunately i am not a developer. and by adding and removing apps from stock rom back and forth is not really development. i do appreciate the lag fix, its working great so far.

Op please sell your phone, buy an HTC, and have a coke and a smile... quit complaining about one of the best phones in the WORLD market... if still unhappy there is always iPhone.... bye bye...
And I wish moderators here would trash these stupid waaaah waaaah threads.... your complaint is useless unless you are willing to develop, hack, beta test, or otherwise move development along... and to the point of lag fixing and deleting bloatware, YOUR WELCOME FOR THE FREE DEVELOPMENT YOU UNGRATEFUL COMPLAINER!!!

If you really think that all the devs are doing is adding and removing apps then maybe you should just wait for an ota update.
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kolyan said:
I thought by now we will have something good and yet there isnt a single case that i like, a back cover, or a holster.....
and the development forum is filled with bunch of lag fixes and roms (2 roms) that are not even as good and stable as stock.
no word on froyo yet, media hub is crap, etc...
With worldwide release i really thought this will be moving with speeds of Nexus.....I guess i was wrong. Its just horrible that they decided to release 5 different variations of Galaxy S. Different bodies, and even different hardware, and therefore different firmware as well
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Welcome to being an early adopter of a device.

Op. Sell your phone or use it as a blubt instrument to punch yourself in the vagina.
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Well, I have the phone and my wife bought me a case. I felt in love with it. Amazon's is full of them. My case was worth 9 USD when I first bought it, I can tell u that now there are more expensive ones, the technology is much better.
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kolyan said:
I thought by now we will have something good and yet there isnt a single case that i like, a back cover, or a holster.....
and the development forum is filled with bunch of lag fixes and roms (2 roms) that are not even as good and stable as stock.
no word on froyo yet, media hub is crap, etc...
With worldwide release i really thought this will be moving with speeds of Nexus.....I guess i was wrong. Its just horrible that they decided to release 5 different variations of Galaxy S. Different bodies, and even different hardware, and therefore different firmware as well
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if these points you listed are so important to you, why did you buy the phone before these things came along?
If and when I am looking at buying something new I do research before purchasing a product so I know what to expect. It sounds like you assumed these things would be ready day 2 after launch and now that they are not you panties are in a twist.
If this is really the case go look in the mirror and there you will have the person to blame for your aggravation .

I like the phone. and i do think it the best phone on the market (at least for me). But I would probably get Droid X if it wasnt so big.
After some mods to phone, i am very happy with it (except for back cover and 2.1, well and the fact that compass just doesnt work at all), gps works,launcher pro plus is a killer, lag fix works, battery indicator fixed, and obviously removed all crapware, oh and tasker app makes word of difference too.

Still New
Am I one of the few that think 2 months is still early in the development game?
The Nexus One is sold as a developers phone, so it should and is supported as one.
I think the developers have lives and a real job. Making this a fun hobby for most of them. So just relax, be patient and before you know it you will have every tweaked/hacked/themed ROM available for your flashing pleasure.

rsfaze said:
if these points you listed are so important to you, why did you buy the phone before these things came along?
If and when I am looking at buying something new I do research before purchasing a product so I know what to expect. It sounds like you assumed these things would be ready day 2 after launch and now that they are not you panties are in a twist.
If this is really the case go look in the mirror and there you will have the person to blame for your aggravation .
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Are actually retarded, so you must make the same stupid point over and over?
We buy stuff when we need it -- like when the old phone breaks, or a plan needs to be renewed.... Most people research a bit, then weigh the pros and cons and take the plunge.
After some use, everyone finds things they like or dislike about their purchase.
But really, why shouldn't we expect to be able to buy by now the dock that Samsung was showing off in their ads way before the phone was available?

Just cleaned this thread and removed some unacceptable comments which absolutely break XDA Rule 2 and usually lead to the suspension of user accounts.
Please stay on topic. Don't post if you have nothing constructive to offer.
Appreciate your cooperation.
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kolyan said:
i would, but unfortunately i am not a developer. and by adding and removing apps from stock rom back and forth is not really development. i do appreciate the lag fix, its working great so far.
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Learn how to do something yourself. Idiots, I mean beggers, can't be choosers.

Chalup said:
Learn how to do something yourself. Idiots, I mean beggers, can't be choosers.
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it's easier to post and ***** about how things don't work and to demand others fix them instead of lifting a finger and trying yourself, didn't you know that?

rsfaze said:
it's easier to post and ***** about how things don't work and to demand others fix them instead of lifting a finger and trying yourself, didn't you know that?
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Actually, demanding that a product for which you've paid $500 works and it's upgradeable for a reasonable time as long as the hardware supports it (just like a computer), is not *****ing.
When you buy a new car and the radio doesn't work, you don't expect the dealer to tell you to either wait indefinitely, or fix it yourself. Same with this phone.

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Actually, demanding that a product for which you've paid $500 works and it's upgradeable for a reasonable time as long as the hardware supports it (just like a computer), is not *****ing.
When you buy a new car and the radio doesn't work, you don't expect the dealer to tell you to either wait indefinitely, or fix it yourself. Same with this phone.
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Difference the phone works as is, everything works fine on it. You just want it to work "better".
Well I want my myTouch to be better. Yea, they should trade me out to a myTouch Slide! I spent 250!!! dollars on it.
I don't remember the last time I bought a computer and then when the next version of an OS came out I got it for free. Either shut up, or learn to develop on your own.

The Evo Sprint SHOULD be selling.

I've been trolling around XDA for a few months because I've been improving my Evo and I have. When I first bought my phone, the battery lasted about six hours max, worse if I was on the web a lot. Now, the battery now lasts 24 hours and about 16 with consistent usage because I have Set CPU managing things in a custom kernel. It's also running a custom ROM (warm twoPointtwo) and the entire phone generally performs far better than when I first bought it.
My question is, why couldn't HTC/Sprint sell something like this? They wouldn't have had nearly as many complaints about the battery if they'd done a better job managing battery usage. I'm a weekend warrior and I figured out how to improve my phone dramatically in a few months of trolling around XDA's threads. So, why couldn't HTC $hit-hot engineers make the best phone possible taking full advantage of the hardware?
Why all the limits?

Because they're more concerned about the hardware than the software. They knew that the devs would tear it up once it was released, so they [email protected] tried. As long as they got out *something* that worked, they knew, given this is a Linux-based o/s, it would only be a matter of time before people would do their work for them.
Unfortunately, it makes sense.

whats77inaname said:
Because they're more concerned about the hardware than the software. They knew that the devs would tear it up once it was released, so they [email protected] tried. As long as they got out *something* that worked, they knew, given this is a Linux-based o/s, it would only be a matter of time before people would do their work for them.
Unfortunately, it makes sense.
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I don't know about all that. You have to keep in mind that this phone wasn't made for devs. It was made to attract a mass audience. Devs make up a fraction of the intended user base, and the majority of people who would buy it have never even heard of rooting or custom roms. They have never heard of a kernel before. These are the people they want to please, and these people rely on HTC to get it right, or they will return the phone.
Manufacturers don't make their phones for people on xda.

whats77inaname said:
Because they're more concerned about the hardware than the software. They knew that the devs would tear it up once it was released, so they [email protected] tried. As long as they got out *something* that worked, they knew, given this is a Linux-based o/s, it would only be a matter of time before people would do their work for them.
Unfortunately, it makes sense.
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Sorry but that just isn't true... sounds more like a biased opinion.
Fact is, there are a LOT more people who don't even know what a rooted phones means... there are even more people who don't have/use/want a rooted phone.
I won't act like I know all the reasons why a rooted phone with a custom rom/kernel works SO much better... but I do know they weren't banking on the masses hacking into the phones they make.

In one word time. It takes time to refine software and usually they are struggling to just get it working at all.
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Honestly, the EVO performs pretty well on a stock build. Rooting gives you options yes, but it's not absolutely neccessary like it used to be on WinMo devices.
And yes, I know you didn't root WinMo, but you know what I mean. WinMo had to be unlocked and had a custom ROM flashed, or it was nearly unusuable.

First off, I'm not a developer, I'm a web designer and would've had an iPhone if I were not locked into a Sprint family plan. I totally agree that an unrooted evo is an amazing device, but if I got better battery life, why couldn't HTC with a more improved HTC kernel? Did it just not occur to them? That and defaulting the phone to worst battery settings possible, really? I'm one of those consumers that a few months ago thought a kernel was a rank or food and rooting is something done to plants, let alone something you could adjust.
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I just had to spend a few days unrooted due to a hardware problem. Stock 2.2 is MUCH better than stock 2.1 was when the evo first came out. What I would like to see is HTC and the other hardware manufactures hire some of the devs or pay out to incorporate some of their fix's.
I really loved when one of them(dev's I can't remember which one) beat HTC to releasing 2.2 with sense!

whats77inaname said:
Because they're more concerned about the hardware than the software. They knew that the devs would tear it up once it was released, so they [email protected] tried. As long as they got out *something* that worked, they knew, given this is a Linux-based o/s, it would only be a matter of time before people would do their work for them.
Unfortunately, it makes sense.
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Because the concern is to have a solid working device and when the evo launched it was and still is solid most people do not "root" their phone.

As good as custom ROMs are, more often than not they have bugs. With official ROMs a lot of time is spent on testing and are made to have the most reliable experience as possible. They prefer that over a 15% battery/performance improvement or the delay it'd probably add.
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All android phones' battery life suck. The hardware is out-tech'ing the battery.

The reason is simple. It's the same thing that goes on at my job. They have non-technical jackasses throwing out hard deadlines for projects they have no clue about how long should take or what's involved in accomplishing. So then the programmers throw together sloppy code to get things working as fast as possible to meet their deadlines so they can keep their jobs. Once things work, they have until the deadline to optimize as much as possible and what they don't get to ends up being "phase 2", or the first update. Of course if the deadline is way too short, the first update ends up being bug fixes instead of much needed optimizations. And then instead of working on those optimizations they have to start writing more sloppy code to meet the next short deadline for the next big project. This is the story of my life.

the evo is sprint's best decision ever made in the history of sprint.
i think they took a gamble and won.
i wouldve never thought such a phone would exist on sprint, and i hope it woke their sleepy eyes into investing more time and money in greater hardware for the future, because WE WILL BUY IT.

TorxT3D said:
the evo is sprint's best decision ever made in the history of sprint.
i think they took a gamble and won.
i wouldve never thought such a phone would exist on sprint, and i hope it woke their sleepy eyes into investing more time and money in greater hardware for the future, because WE WILL BUY IT.
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Agreed 100%
They made a good move with the Hero then knocked it out of the park with the EVO.
Obviously there are several teams at work. I'd like to hope HTC will slim down Sense and make better use of the juice And it would be great if Sprint would make all their crap-ware optional or at least uninstallable.
I have an upgrade right now so I hate to admit I'm already eagerly anticipating Sprint's next flagship, I just hope it comes from HTC.

Bottom line to this is that the sprint Kernel does what the masses need not just a few devs on xda or ppcgeeks.
to satisfy people who actually know what this is all about their sales would plummet, and the iphone toy would prevail. its about competition and market share.....period. no one would get a bigger portion of the market share trying to satisfy a miniscule portion of it.
I personally appreciate the miniscule portion of the market because the people in here kick butt and create some awesome things for those of us who dont understand developing.
Thanks XDA!!

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Because the concern is to have a solid working device and when the evo launched it was and still is solid most people do not "root" their phone.
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I guess I should have explained more clearly. Yes, they released something that works, but they also knew that other people would make it *better*. If you think that there aren't devs from HTC on this site reverse-engineering kernels and what not and incorporating bits and pieces of them into HTC's stock builds for future releases, you need to think again.

if people could make these refinements when they first release things there would never be updates to software, never be updates to hardware and we'd all still be running around with 20lb laptops and zack morris cell phones.
Things need to be in the peoples' hands before refinements could be made. This was the first Wimax phone with the first attempt at HTC building software to make the wimax radio and huge screen as battery efficient as possible.
There is a reason we are on Android 2.2 (2.3 just released) and windows 7...if they released everything perfectly we would never need revisions or updates!

I think the person who mentioned higher ups with no technical knowledge making hard deadlines is right. The kernel in the latest OTA is supposedly pretty good, even by our standards. I've never tried it. I bet the higher ups allotted more time than they initially planned because of the public outcry.
Many industries now follow the release now, patch later mindset. HTC has been like that for as long as I've used their phones. If they were smart they'd be cherry picking the dev community. People deserve better roms and software. My girlfriend loves her phone now that I've rooted it and upgraded it for her.

Of course companies ship not fully optimized and improve later. The choice is between a shipping product with a revenue stream and no product/revenue at all.
It isn't ideal but this is the real world. I can't say I'm the biggest fan of this approach and I do have experience in the area.
Large (and small) projects require X amount of man hours to complete. If the time to deliver X is too long you can either push the timeline out or you can add more skilled staff. If the date is immobile and you can't add staff, the only other option is to deliver a subset of X and enhance down the road.
I personally feel HTC has done a good job with updates and I use cyanogen mod. I prefer the freedom, am well aware of the risks and can probably fix it if I break it.
Most users cannot
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xviiivx said:
The reason is simple. It's the same thing that goes on at my job. They have non-technical jackasses throwing out hard deadlines for projects they have no clue about how long should take or what's involved in accomplishing. So then the programmers throw together sloppy code to get things working as fast as possible to meet their deadlines so they can keep their jobs. Once things work, they have until the deadline to optimize as much as possible and what they don't get to ends up being "phase 2", or the first update. Of course if the deadline is way too short, the first update ends up being bug fixes instead of much needed optimizations. And then instead of working on those optimizations they have to start writing more sloppy code to meet the next short deadline for the next big project. This is the story of my life.
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Ding! Ding! Ding! Bingo!
Any manufacturing project has a deadline, typically set by some jackass that years ago developed something, typically enforced by some jackass bosses date that years upon years developed something. I've literally been told by my CIO that he built a cable company billing system in a weekend when he was in college, and we should do the same.
People in management positions are not in touch or positions to make proper deadline decisions for engineers. However, engineers are responsible to meet those decisions due to the "due date" given to the engineers. If the engineers had the say, they wouldn't release the product, but the chain of responsibility won't allow that.

[RANT]You got what you paid for.

I've only had this Epic for almost a month and am very satisfied with it so far. But its getting pretty old looking on xda everyday to see someone new complaining about not having Froyo. You got what you paid for people, you bought a epic with 2.1 eclair on it, do you buy windows xp and then when windows 7 comes out you complain they won't upgrade you for free? There will always be something better and something new out there or up and coming you can't expect companies to sit there and keep working on things of the past they have to make money as well and they have to compete with each other and try to stay on top. I'm not saying I don't think they shouldn't release it for us I'm just saying you realy can't blame them for moving on with other phones as well. And if you think 2.2 is gonna make your phone that much better then go get a vibrant from tmobile bc I put 2.2 on my girlfriends phone last week and it didn't do much of anything for it, its just software sure your battery is a little better or the system runs a little smoother your not changing what you physically have the hardware is what it is and you knew all of this before buying the phone and if you didn't then you had 30 days to do some research and return it to sprint.
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t.lynn.c said:
I've only had this Epic for almost a month and am very satisfied with it so far. But its getting pretty old looking on xda everyday to see someone new complaining about not having Froyo. You got what you paid for people, you bought a epic with 2.1 eclair on it, do you buy windows xp and then when windows 7 comes out you complain they won't upgrade you for free? There will always be something better and something new out there or up and coming you can't expect companies to sit there and keep working on things of the past they have to make money as well and they have to compete with each other and try to stay on top. I'm not saying I don't think they shouldn't release it for us I'm just saying you realy can't blame them for moving on with other phones as well. And if you think 2.2 is gonna make your phone that much better then go get a vibrant from tmobile bc I put 2.2 on my girlfriends phone last week and it didn't do much of anything for it, its just software sure your battery is a little better or the system runs a little smoother your not changing what you physically have the hardware is what it is and you knew all of this before buying the phone and if you didn't then you had 30 days to do some research and return it to sprint.
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jesus do you even read what people say or just regurgitate stuff...

Apparently not why don't you explain to me what I missed?
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Alright, I'll bite.
most of us did not buy our epic's having seen a forum full of people dissatisfied with samsung's ability to upgrade their phones. I for one bought my phone on launch day. August 31st 2010. It was a sunny day, there was a nice breeze. I was young without a care in the world. I saw a phone with very formidable hardware and better yet, a promise from samsung that the device would see 2.2 in the very "near" future.
Now I don't know what you paid for your phone, but I paid retail price plus tax. If I had known I was actually paying for an education about what it exactly it means to buy a samsung phone I would have looked elsewhere.
that being said, theres one thing I can't stand and that is people such as yourself who waited until after people bought the phone and realized that and official update in a timely fashion not likely, accepted that risk, and then come here to rub it in the face of those who care about things like kernel sources, and custom roms to tell us about how we should all be as smart as you with your divine phone selecting savvy. I can't say that I speak for everyone, but I can certainly speak for myself when I tell you sincerely to gtfo.
yours truly, cozmonot

Ok to someone like yourself I understand that you did not know what you were getting yourself into and I'm not trying to say that someone such as yourself that bought the phone right when it came out doesn't have a right to be mad. I never said I had waited to buy this phone for any reason its just when I see ppl on here that say they just got the phone and now are mad they don't have 2.2 yet its disturbing. I understand we need kernals and source to make better roms and things, I myself am running Nebula and have been since the first week of owning this phone, so as with the rest of you I myself would like it so my rom can be further upgraded. The main thing I was trying to get at is that complaining about how we don't have it isn't getting us it I did not mean disrespect for someone like yourself and I don't think I have any better taste for phones than the rest of us we all chose this phone for whatever reasons but I don't think anyone chose it bc it was going to have 2.2
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I agree in that people complaining here doesn't really accomplish much. Apologies, I probably shouldn't reply to threads when I'm angry and tired.
I think we need to make our voice heard by sprint and samsung if we want things to actually happen, and complaining to people in the same position can't make things any better. just look at the vibrant owners who threatened a lawsuit and got the mainstream blogs to post about the vibrant not having froyo, didnt they get the update like a week later? I agree with what you said in your second post and I wish I had known about what I was getting myself into back in August when i signed on the dotted line.

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t.lynn.c said:
Ok to someone like yourself I understand that you did not know what you were getting yourself into and I'm not trying to say that someone such as yourself that bought the phone right when it came out doesn't have a right to be mad. I never said I had waited to buy this phone for any reason its just when I see ppl on here that say they just got the phone and now are mad they don't have 2.2 yet its disturbing. I understand we need kernals and source to make better roms and things, I myself am running Nebula and have been since the first week of owning this phone, so as with the rest of you I myself would like it so my rom can be further upgraded. The main thing I was trying to get at is that complaining about how we don't have it isn't getting us it I did not mean disrespect for someone like yourself and I don't think I have any better taste for phones than the rest of us we all chose this phone for whatever reasons but I don't think anyone chose it bc it was going to have 2.2
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Actually, I did. Also, because of the slide out keyboard. If I wanted a phone forever stuck with Eclair, I'd have kept my Moment.
EDIT: I am not stuck on Eclair, but there are people who don't know about rooting and custom ROMs.
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OMGrant this is very true I should probably keep my mouth shut sometimes but its just not easy and that's where the rant part came in...
Rygran87 I really don't know what to say about your unfulfilled promises you must have been happy with the samsung moment to buy another samsung tho...
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I bought the phone because of the hardware and because it was stated that 2.2 would be coming soon. I don't understand how people like you can just accept that You have the phone with the best hardware specs on the market at the moment and not be pissed that it doesn't have 2.2. While I agree that coming on xda and starting multiple threads on if FroYo is out is not the most productive way of dealing with the problem, bending over and submitting that because you paid money for the device and knew that it had 2.1 on is just a cop out.
To answer your question on what does FroYo add, here is just a few.
- What about all of the people who spent $30 to $50 on official samsung docks and can't even use it to the fullest without FroYo. IT EVEN SAYS ON DAMN PACKAGING THAT FULL FUNCTIONALITY WILL BE UNLOCKED WITH THE 2.2 UPDATE.
- What about bluetooth voice dialing, JIT, flash, and the updated google apps that come with 2.2, not to mention the speed increase. The FroYo update for the Vibrant doesn't count in this case because everyone knows that update was rushed because of the lawsuit business, and that lead to a bugged release.
And if none of that convinces you, the fragmentation of the market is the best example I can give. Do you know how annoying it is to find an app that you know your phone has more than enough power to run, but it won't even show up in the market because it only works on FroYo and up? IT'S THE ****ING PITS DUDE. For example there is this game that some (ex-sony I think) devs called Lame Castle that I really want to play, but it won't work on galaxy s phones without FroYo. Look it up on the market with Epic, it won't even show up. Now go on appbrain and its there clear as day. There are numerous examples of this, but this is the one that affected me that most.
So when you say that we should have know better and should not be upset, all I can say is that I hope you continue to enjoy the anal that samsung and sprint have given you so far. There's a lot more to come.

It was my first Android. It was cool at first, but just wanted FroYo and refused to get the Evo because the screen sucks and no keyboard.
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Protoroll said:
I bought the phone because of the hardware and because it was stated that 2.2 would be coming soon. I don't understand how people like you can just accept that You have the phone with the best hardware specs on the market at the moment and not be pissed that it doesn't have 2.2. While I agree that coming on xda and starting multiple threads on if FroYo is out is not the most productive way of dealing with the problem, bending over and submitting that because you paid money for the device and knew that it had 2.1 on is just a cop out.
To answer your question on what does FroYo add, here is just a few.
- What about all of the people who spent $30 to $50 on official samsung docks and can't even use it to the fullest without FroYo. IT EVEN SAYS ON DAMN PACKAGING THAT FULL FUNCTIONALITY WILL BE UNLOCKED WITH THE 2.2 UPDATE.
- What about bluetooth voice dialing, JIT, flash, and the updated google apps that come with 2.2, not to mention the speed increase. The FroYo update for the Vibrant doesn't count in this case because everyone knows that update was rushed because of the lawsuit business, and that lead to a bugged release.
And if none of that convinces you, the fragmentation of the market is the best example I can give. Do you know how annoying it is to find an app that you know your phone has more than enough power to run, but it won't even show up in the market because it only works on FroYo and up? IT'S THE ****ING PITS DUDE. For example there is this game that some (ex-sony I think) devs called Lame Castle that I really want to play, but it won't work on galaxy s phones without FroYo. Look it up on the market with Epic, it won't even show up. Now go on appbrain and its there clear as day. There are numerous examples of this, but this is the one that affected me that most.
So when you say that we should have know better and should not be upset, all I can say is that I hope you continue to enjoy the anal that samsung and sprint have given you so far. There's a lot more to come.
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I would have to say my favorite part about what you said was when you said Froyo for vibrant was rushed and has bugs. Because that could be us, we could have a rushed crappy edition of froyo. I understand that it makes it better and we can't do somthings without but if your life won't go on because you can't play some game on your phone (unless somehow you've got a job doing mobile gaming) then it might be time to look at some new hobbies or just pay your way out of contract so you can go get a phone with froyo that will make you happy as a little kid in a candy shop. But it must not be that bad if your willing to wait it out and hope one day you will wake up and see an OTA.
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you never [/rant]
Anyways android is a grey point right now as with your reference to XP you could pay to upgrade to vista/7 (driver / hardware supporting of course) where with android everything is kept under wraps so by the manufacturer until weeks or sometimes months after their "official" software is released and only then can some reverse engineer everything to get what they need to develop.
Hopefully the future of android can be like computer operating systems. Manufacturers only make drivers that way google can push out their own updates or at least give us the ability to do our own.

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you never [/rant]
Anyways android is a grey point right now as with your reference to XP you could pay to upgrade to vista/7 (driver / hardware supporting of course) where with android everything is kept under wraps so by the manufacturer until weeks or sometimes months after their "official" software is released and only then can some reverse engineer everything to get what they need to develop.
Hopefully the future of android can be like computer operating systems. Manufacturers only make drivers that way google can push out their own updates or at least give us the ability to do our own.
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You are very right as far as being able to pay for updates I was just meaning more of on a free level for that analogy, but yes very good point. And I too hope that it will someday be that easy.
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About the Vibrant, their is no excuse for that buggy release at such a late push date. The carriers have had FroYo since November and and have taken their own sweet time working on it. To add insult to injury, Every other carrier with a Galaxy S phone has pushed out FroYo since November. They even started getting 2.2.1 about two weeks ago. Even the number five carrier in the states, U.S. Cellular, has had FroYo out for its captivate out for about a month and a half now. And guess what? That update went off without a hitch. I also like how you were able to boil down my argument into the my statement about Lame Castle, which in my circles is very important because I'm going to school for that kind of thing, and Vibrant update which I would have even if I didn't have months of knowledge on the situation here and everywhere else that Galaxies are sold. You just get your phone and feel like preaching to me on how I should just take this ****. I bought this phone months ago knowing I would be with it for two years and expecting on Samsung to hold up to their statement of by the end of the year. Its a month into 2011 and still nothing. If you find your epic fine on 2.1, all power to you. But their are people with docks, people that want to make hands free calls while on the road, and people who just want full access to the market, who have all the right in the world to complain over this mess.
Note: Make multiple threads on XDA is NOT the way to go about it though people.

Protoroll said:
About the Vibrant, their is no excuse for that buggy release at such a late push date. The carriers have had FroYo since November and and have taken their own sweet time working on it. To add insult to injury, Every other carrier with a Galaxy S phone has pushed out FroYo since November. They even started getting 2.2.1 about two weeks ago. Even the number five carrier in the states, U.S. Cellular, has had FroYo out for its captivate out for about a month and a half now. And guess what? That update went off without a hitch. I also like how you were able to boil down my argument into the my statement about Lame Castle, which in my circles is very important because I'm going to school for that kind of thing, and Vibrant update which I would have even if I didn't have months of knowledge on the situation here and everywhere else that Galaxies are sold. You just get your phone and feel like preaching to me on how I should just take this ****. I bought this phone months ago knowing I would be with it for two years and expecting on Samsung to hold up to their statement of by the end of the year. Its a month into 2011 and still nothing. If you find your epic fine on 2.1, all power to you. But their are people with docks, people that want to make hands free calls while on the road, and people who just want full access to the market, who have all the right in the world to complain over this mess.
Note: Make multiple threads on XDA is NOT the way to go about it though people.
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I never said there was an excuse for it but I do like your note, bc that was one thing I was trying to get at in my original statement is topic after topic about how we don't have 2.2. And I said earlier to a guy its not the people such as yourself that have had th phone and been expecting the update its ppl that haven't had their phone long and are starting thread after thread asking or complaining about 2.2.
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rygran87 said:
Actually, I did. Also, because of the slide out keyboard. If I wanted a phone forever stuck with Eclair, I'd have kept my Moment.
EDIT: I am not stuck on Eclair, but there are people who don't know about rooting and custom ROMs.
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You bought the phone because it was supposed to get 2.2?!
Well ladies and gents...theres one idiot...

Quis89 said:
You bought the phone because it was supposed to get 2.2?!
Well ladies and gents...theres one idiot...
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I decided to get THIS phone for the desired features AND the promise of 4G and 2.2 before the ed of the year. While you are entitled to your opinions, I certainly don't appreciate labeling and especially not when you do it from the safety of your keyboard. It just isn't called for.
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I didnt read the majority of the posts, I apologize....just want to put in my two cents and I guarantee it'll still be on topic.
People here have the right to rant. They have the right to be angry. They bought a true high end Android phone and are still on 2.1. That's not right... I have an Evo and an Epic...and the difference between 2.1 and 2.2 is really just the Flash (I'm not including what Samsung through in there based off of the leaked roms. Because some of what they through in there was just polishing up the UI and stuff). And Flash isn't really that big of a deal, its just one of those things that is nice to have. But thats beside the point. It doesnt even matter if the only thing different between 2.2 and 2.1 was a damn ringtone...a high end Android phone should be updated. If you don't update these phones, then why would someone shell out extra money to buy another high end phone that will share the same exact features as a low end phone? True the High end will be faster, but it really needs to have something to separate itself from the low end phone and that something should be the fact that it will always be supported...
And this is the problem with Android and this is what makes me sick about it. Android is great...but dammit...they need to relax on these phones and focus on the ones that are out now. They just keep on taking our money, and its going to get to the point where no phones will be updated, they will just keep releasing phones with the new update. And they know people will straight up go buy the new phone just for that update, just to realize that it aint even good. I started with the Evo before the Epic and if I wouldve went from the Epic to the Evo just for 2.2, I wouldve been pissed the hell off. 2.2 is not worth it at all...well, lemme put it like this: 2.2 by itself is not worth it. Although it aint worth it, this high end phone should still have it. If the Evo has it...the Epic should have it. The Evo will probably get Gingerbread and that'll be a damn shame...it won't benefit from it at all...
I mean, when you look at this 2.2 update from different angles, you can see why people rant and get mad. They have the right to...now if we could just put all of it into one thread that would be a lot better than multiple threads...but its w/e.
Also, does anyone else think that nothing else will top Android but Android will "destroy" itself? Android has already destroyed itself with me, if the iPhone hits Sprint, I'm jumping ship.

Are the best vibrant development days behind us?

I cant help but feel that they are. With projects being abandoned left and right, I feel as if the domino effect is starting to take place. Devs are getting "bored" therefore us end users start jumping ship also. Then more devs leave etc etc. Feels like that process has begun. I, like many have put my phone up on craigslist in hopes of getting something better with a more active community around it. I do not want to sound ungrateful to the dev s that we do have. They have made my phone what I love today. But I can't help but feel like even the remaining ones have lost passion and drive for this phone.
I can't help but feel that the escalating high school drama over the past few weeks due to little or no moderation has been the tipping point for devs to leave and move on. I can only hope that someone high enough puts a plug in the dam before its too late and it all comes crashing down and no amount of money or resources can synthetically create the magic we already have now. Here is hoping.
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I kind of expected this. I love this phone, but if I really have to, I will trade it. I hope that CM7 is finished for the Vibrant, then everything would be fine.
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It could seem that way, but lets be real here for a minute.
There are a few devs who decided to stop working on the vibrant. More specifically , decided to stop posting their work here on XDA. Mostly because of the drama that starts in here and the lack of appreciation that is given to them for their "FREE" work.
But, and here's my main point, there are still MANY devs who have never spoken about leaving and are continuing to bring us great mods and roms. We have entire teams of devs like Team Whiskey and Eienharjar Developement Team who still continue to work on great things for our phones. Not to mention people who make mods consistantly. Supercurio, Morphic, etc etc.
It's just a few people who decided it's not fun anymore and are moving on. It doesn't mean the END ALL BE ALL of Vibrant development. I think we should stop dwelling on the drama of a few people who on their own decided to leave and still support those that are STILL here to help us.
Technology moves fast. Newer things come out and some people just get bored fast and get tired of the mudslinging.
Be appreciative to the devs and supporters that are still here, still making things, and still helping us with our questions. Android is an OPEN SOURCE PROJECT. People come... people go. But don't get caught up in the politics of some. Support those that stay. But don't forget those that left a huge impact on Android and this modding community.
I love Android. I love the community, and understand I have to deal with some disrespectful kids/noobs/adults.
Thank you to all who stick around and help us out, and good luck to those who went on to better or more phone projects.

eminembdg said:
It could seem that way, but lets be real here for a minute.
There are a few devs who decided to stop working on the vibrant. More specifically , decided to stop posting their work here on XDA. Mostly because of the drama that starts in here and the lack of appreciation that is given to them for their "FREE" work.
But, and here's my main point, there are still MANY devs who have never spoken about leaving and are continuing to bring us great mods and roms. We have entire teams of devs like Team Whiskey and Eienharjar Developement Team who still continue to work on great things for our phones. Not to mention people who make mods consistantly. Supercurio, Morphic, etc etc.
It's just a few people who decided it's not fun anymore and are moving on. It doesn't mean the END ALL BE ALL of Vibrant development. I think we should stop dwelling on the drama of a few people who on their own decided to leave and still support those that are STILL here to help us.
Technology moves fast. Newer things come out and some people just get bored fast and get tired of the mudslinging.
Be appreciative to the devs and supporters that are still here, still making things, and still helping us with our questions. Android is an OPEN SOURCE PROJECT. People come... people go. But don't get caught up in the politics of some. Support those that stay. But don't forget those that left a huge impact on Android and this modding community.
I love Android. I love the community, and understand I have to deal with some disrespectful kids/noobs/adults.
Thank you to all who stick around and help us out, and good luck to those who went on to better or more phone projects.
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Perfect way to put it. Couldn't agree more
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Unless CM7 is near final and it can be used as a stable base, then we will be stuck with the same roms probably as all are based on Samsung's source. The reason the G2 has such large development is due to the large amounts of stable roms, MIUI, CM, and a a stock rom( which we do have).
And with the leaving of Eugene, the Vibrant is basically starting to sink. Those new to these forums may not remember, but he has contributed many stable roms in the past and greatly contributed to the startup on development. We will miss you Eugene!
A galaxy s merger was what I proposed in the previous forums where some international and US developers may contribute to each other's work in a seperate forum dedicated to devs.

don't forget that eugene was the one who made I9000 roms to be perfectly port to vibrant. He said hw will be posting his one final rom in the future.
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iynfynity said:
don't forget that eugene was the one who made I9000 roms to be perfectly port to vibrant. He said hw will be posting his one final rom in the future.
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Yup. Development may seem to be slowing but lets not forget that we have an whole other i9000 dev forum to choose ROMs from. Especially while they are mostly 2.2.1 ROMs. That'll prolly change (at least for a while) once all the i9000 devs abandon 2.2.1 for gingerbread.
Not every phone will have the lifespan of the g1, hd2, etc... But one can hope lol.

Even the Nexus One development is slowing down with only small updates to previous roms. Guess even their devs are moving.
Lucky me that I have a hd2.

Was considering getting one of those Hd2 for all the development around it but I can't help but feel like it would be a step down.
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Unless CM7 is near final and it can be used as a stable base, then we will be stuck with the same roms probably as all are based on Samsung's source. The reason the G2 has such large development is due to the large amounts of stable roms, MIUI, CM, and a a stock rom( which we do have).
And with the leaving of Eugene, the Vibrant is basically starting to sink. Those new to these forums may not remember, but he has contributed many stable roms in the past and greatly contributed to the startup on development. We will miss you Eugene!
A galaxy s merger was what I proposed in the previous forums where some international and US developers may contribute to each other's work in a seperate forum dedicated to devs.
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I feel like that this is what we are lacking now. Eugene was a master and helped and had a hand in over half the roms on this forum. He was able to solve alot of problems that no one else can/could. I feel like without someone of this caliber spearheading the way, its almost impossible to keep development going strong and not baby steps.
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Well with the Galaxy II coming out, this shouldn't be a surprise....everyone upgrades after some time right?

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Well with the Galaxy II coming out, this shouldn't be a surprise....everyone upgrades after some time right?
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not everyone can, :/ i'm stuck at vibrant for years.
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Not everyone feels the need to upgrade every 6 months to a year, especially when the new dual cores don't provide a huge difference than the hummingbird chip + voodoo in daily use (maybe 3 second gain in web browsing). With android 2.2.1, the galaxy s touchwiz launcher and browser use gpu acceleration, so it will be just as smooth (if you don't believe me use a live wallpaper on the twlauncher, then use it on launcherpro).
However, tegra 2 will set the new standard, so our power sgx 540 will do just fine for the next year (comparable performances).

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Well with the Galaxy II coming out, this shouldn't be a surprise....everyone upgrades after some time right?
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Yes to an extent. There are alot of phones that are years old and still have development. I understand that they probably are not samsung and probably have all of the source code. But to me, it seems that this phone has not even reached the pinnacle of what it can do. Alot of roms (bionix exempt) are still trying to just get everything working a 100%. Having a phone really becomes a ton of fun when the development gets past just making it all work. It's really a shame if this will never be possible because of samsungs code.

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Not everyone feels the need to upgrade every 6 months to a year, especially when the new dual cores don't provide a huge difference than the hummingbird chip + voodoo in daily use (maybe 3 second gain in web browsing). With android 2.2.1, the galaxy s touchwiz launcher and browser use gpu acceleration, so it will be just as smooth (if you don't believe me use a live wallpaper on the twlauncher, then use it on launcherpro).
However, tegra 2 will set the new standard, so our power sgx 540 will do just fine for the next year (comparable performances).
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Being that the vibrant was a high end phone when it was released, it still stands up to alot of the newer phones. To leave this phone behind just because it's getting "old" (less than a year is old for cell phone nowadays = bull****), is stupid.

Maybe devs should spend some time porting the Nexus S APIs so as to provide a good base for future roms.
And in the end, I have to admit that if you want fast updates, go Windows Phone, or IOS if you are really desperate.

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I cant help but feel that they are. With projects being abandoned left and right, I feel as if the domino effect is starting to take place. Devs are getting "bored" therefore us end users start jumping ship also. Then more devs leave etc etc. Feels like that process has begun. I, like many have put my phone up on craigslist in hopes of getting something better with a more active community around it. I do not want to sound ungrateful to the dev s that we do have. They have made my phone what I love today. But I can't help but feel like even the remaining ones have lost passion and drive for this phone.
I can't help but feel that the escalating high school drama over the past few weeks due to little or no moderation has been the tipping point for devs to leave and move on. I can only hope that someone high enough puts a plug in the dam before its too late and it all comes crashing down and no amount of money or resources can synthetically create the magic we already have now. Here is hoping.
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Maybe I'm mistaken, but I've seen us lose basically two significant development projects.
Meanwhile we retain several equivalent kernel devs, multiple ongoing rom development projects, progress on CM7, and a slowly building flood of ports from the i9000 dev community.
Furthermore we're finally to a point where this is less about stamping out annoyances with Samsung's lackluster tuning and poor choices, and more about customization and the tailoring of experiences.
i.e. there's less to be ecstatic about, but only because things are no longer fundamentally broken and because development has matured.
My take is that these are good and evolutionary developments. You also have to remember that developers cater to their own whims as much as ours, and it's entirely normal for them to "move on". This is what happens when a community is dynamic and HEALTHY.
I've been on the net longer than most here have been alive, and trolls will always be trolls. If you're expecting the high school drama and angst to vanish entirely in a constantly churning public forum such as this you have unrealistic expectations.
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Thats a different way of looking at it master, interesting.

While I somewhat agree with this thread, I'd say give the other devs some time, like maybe a month and see what they come up with, we might get a Gingerbread port or a leak from GS4G. Team Whiskey and EDT will surely come up with something I believe.
Also, I don't understand the craze about HD2, it was a great phone in its time, now if you want ROMS and active dev section, probably better to get Nexus S or wait for Optimus 3D I am sure it'll be sold like hot cakes when it comes out.

masterotaku said:
Maybe I'm mistaken, but I've seen us lose basically two significant development projects.
Meanwhile we retain several equivalent kernel devs, multiple ongoing rom development projects, progress on CM7, and a slowly building flood of ports from the i9000 dev community.
Furthermore we're finally to a point where this is less about stamping out annoyances with Samsung's lackluster tuning and poor choices, and more about customization and the tailoring of experiences.
i.e. there's less to be ecstatic about, but only because things are no longer fundamentally broken and because development has matured.
My take is that these are good and evolutionary developments. You also have to remember that developers cater to their own whims as much as ours, and it's entirely normal for them to "move on". This is what happens when a community is dynamic and HEALTHY.
I've been on the net longer than most here have been alive, and trolls will always be trolls. If you're expecting the high school drama and angst to vanish entirely in a constantly churning public forum such as this you have unrealistic expectations.
All is well!
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Hell yeah! Let's hear it for us old farts! I've been on the web since Windows 95. A very scary thought. I actually started with a commodore 64 and it's Gigantic floppy disk drive. When I look back at those days, the worst rom on here is blazing fast and bug free!
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Time to let go????

I have had my slide for a very long time now. I feel like development is coming to a crawl. CM7 will never have flash integration even though we keep getting upgraded versions of android. The CM7 forum is floaded with issues the last time I peeked. Gotta love those guys for giving us hope and their time. The Alpharev 2 looks super promising kinda wish chiefreloadz and other dev's would take a peek at it to give us life. I am at a point where getting a new phone is inevitable. Wish I could setup a poll via my slide to see how many people feel the same way. How many of you feel the same or disagree with me.
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I feel the same way too. The slide really is a powerful device. I'm really upset it died so quickly.

Yeaaa and I'm especially dissapointed w/ the lack of custom kernels. I see so many devices w/ a wide variety of custom kernels (new and old phones), but this one only has 2 (dumfuq and miguel). I root other peoples phones and do overclocking and such, and I c all these kernels to choose from, while this device only has 2 kernels, even lower end devices have more kernels than this..
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The slow of progress in the Slide has driven me to new levels in the android world. I have made many sad attempts at creating my own Roms from source...as well as several successful attempts at modifying a ROM to fit my needs...as well as creating batch files to do most of the the work for me when it comes to nightlies, but nothing original. I am sad to to see this phone in the state it is since this is the second phone I've had of the android family. (I've hacked many others for the purpose of profit) I still use and maintain several G1s...which re-enforces my dismay over the staleness of this device. My next buy is a G2x (LG Optimus 2x). I could wait for the 3D line in the next year but my boredom has eclipsed my interest 10 fold. I plan on passing this phone on to my wife when she gets home from active duty in South Korea. So all is not lost. I know this doesn't even belong in this sub-topic of the forum but I thought it worth sharing my opinion on.

Well in my attempt of waiting for several things to happen I just went online and pre-ordered my WIFI Motorola Xoom. I am very excited hoping this will not have me thinking about my slide that often awaiting the next best thing. I also have a Nokia Maemo phone which the firmware will be updated to Meego by the end of April so its a matter of waiting I guess. Well hopefully this thread will bring things back to life if not then I would like to say goodbye to my slide by the end of the year and get myself a new phone with more power yada yada. lol. Anways...

can someone send me miguel's kernel?
or tell me where I can find it?
i can't get my hands on it...
As for the HTC Slide. I just upgraded from my Motorola Cliq a few weeks ago.
It's definitely a big hardware boost, but the dev support is certainly less.

gtmaster303 said:
can someone send me miguel's kernel?
or tell me where I can find it?
i can't get my hands on it...
As for the HTC Slide. I just upgraded from my Motorola Cliq a few weeks ago.
It's definitely a big hardware boost, but the dev support is certainly less.
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This is the bible do a ctrl+F and type miguel and you will find a link to the thread that should have what your looking for.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=924793

Actually they removed that thread a long time ago,the only way to get it is to get it from someone who has it.
As for the slide I still have mine and it's running strong. It's a nice little phone and I don't think support for it will fade entirely for a while, there's just not much else that needs to be done to improve it thanks to cyanogen.

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Actually they removed that thread a long time ago,the only way to get it is to get it from someone who has it.
As for the slide I still have mine and it's running strong. It's a nice little phone and I don't think support for it will fade entirely for a while, there's just not much else that needs to be done to improve it thanks to cyanogen.
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looks like the admins did a great job of wiping him off the face of xda

I actually posted a comment similar to this thread in the Gingersense thread. But yes I feel as if upgrading handsets will be the only way to get that "new phone" feeling I had got when first flashing cm6 and cm7 .
Edit: also this phone has yet to reach a year in age.(june or July)
And as far as flashplayer, its not the roms that don't support it but the UI. Sense UI was flash lite compatible but only armv7 processors are full flash capable.
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Im sure most know, but maybe not the original poster, that this is not the place for this. Yes, you are talking about devs and roms and what-not, but this has nothing to add to the development community.
Yes, the slide does lack devs unfortunately. It is very sad that many devs did not take an interest in this device early on and those that did lost interest. I personally dont get it since i love this device. But the last thing to do is to complain about all that and just leave it at that. One of you said you tried to tinker with roms. Great! Thats what we need. We need people to get off their asses and take initiative. Lack of devs led me to attempt the port gingersense. I do not call myself a dev since i know 0 code and simply just know a few tricks, but at least i try. I would like to see more people start tinkering. If you love your slide, keep it alive. If you think you dont have the time, thats on you. I personally have a full time carreer which has crazy hours and a nearly full term pregnant wife (which means i have to do nearly everything around the house).
If you read this all, thx, i hope this sticks with someone.
Oh yeah, and admin plz move to appropriate section XD
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I agree with most of what's been said. There really isn't much else we can do with the slide. With everything that's available to us, we have it, and that's about it. Since no one likes the mid-range of the slide and they all want the high-end awesomeness of the newer phones, the slide has few people to share their roms and themes.
I've had my slide since the very start of the slide era, and it is great with CM7 it does everything you want from a daily phone. I feel like I want something more tho, everything seems outdated with all of the new software and apps out there, we can't use them because of the slides hardware. Sad that's it's only been a year since it came out and it's outdated..tho I suppose launching the Galaxy S right after the slide launch just made it seem outdated weeks after.
As soon as I'm available for an upgrade in April I will be switching to a new phone; which I think most of us, who just want something more, are doing.

I got my slide on June 4th 2010, the day it was available for customers. I have loved my slide since. I learned soooo much about the Android OS and its capabilities since owning my Slide. I absolutely love it and want to hang onto it for as long as possible. It does everything I need it to do and it does it fast. Doesn't Cyanogens wife have a slide? I would think he would continue devving for it until his wife switches phones. Just a thought

It is endlessly amusing to me that someone would rather buy a phone out right simply because development has stopped....
You know the point was for YOU to get involved... right?

Listen I agree this is probably not the place for this but its a great place to voice my opinion to dev's which there is a huge shortage for this phone (this is my sole opinion). I have learned a ton from my slide. My first android phone was a maemo phone with a rigged android version on it. That made me want to get the slide because of android. I apologize if I offended people but just voicing my opinion on a topic that has been an ongoing discussion for many of us slide users.