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I wrote to HTC to ask how they measured their "up to 490 hours on Standby" and "up to 380 mins talk time" referred to in their HD2 website specification especially as people like myself were experiencing the battery going flat in <24 hours with almost zero usage of the phone.
Here's their official reply.
Thank you for your email. The specifications that you have referenced are laboratory test conditions, and are not indicative of real-world performance, nor do they take into account the considerable drain incurred by the myriad services and programs that run as a matter of course on Windows Mobile 6.5, as well as any other background applications that may be running, which may not be readily apparent. Please be advised that these laboratory test figures are in line with EU regulations concerning the testing of mobile device batteries, and the real-world battery time that you have quoted of 20-24 hours is well within what we would expect of this device. We have recently released a large capacity battery for use with the HD2, and this can be purchased from the following link :- http://www.htcaccessorystore.com/uk/p_htc_item.aspx?i=195058
So in simple terms, we mislead you in our advertising and you'll be lucky to get the battery to last 24 hours. We can't fix it so buy a bigger battery!
What's the point in publishing performance data that has no relationship to "real-world" conditions. Most customers won't be using the phone in a laboratory.
Perhaps we should start a new campaign to get HTC to be more honest about "real-world" expectations.
Bobins24 said:
What's the point in publishing performance data that has no relationship to "real-world" conditions. Most customers won't be using the phone in a laboratory.
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Because as they said that measurement procedure is a standard that everybody follows, so it would be stupid to do it differently, why "not lie" when everybody does so (and they actually probably wouldn't be allowed to do it differently).
Bobins24 said:
I wrote to HTC to ask how they measured their "up to 490 hours on Standby" and "up to 380 mins talk time" referred to in their HD2 website specification especially as people like myself were experiencing the battery going flat in <24 hours with almost zero usage of the phone.
Here's their official reply.
Thank you for your email. The specifications that you have referenced are laboratory test conditions, and are not indicative of real-world performance, nor do they take into account the considerable drain incurred by the myriad services and programs that run as a matter of course on Windows Mobile 6.5, as well as any other background applications that may be running, which may not be readily apparent. Please be advised that these laboratory test figures are in line with EU regulations concerning the testing of mobile device batteries, and the real-world battery time that you have quoted of 20-24 hours is well within what we would expect of this device. We have recently released a large capacity battery for use with the HD2, and this can be purchased from the following link :- http://www.htcaccessorystore.com/uk/p_htc_item.aspx?i=195058
So in simple terms, we mislead you in our advertising and you'll be lucky to get the battery to last 24 hours. We can't fix it so buy a bigger battery!
What's the point in publishing performance data that has no relationship to "real-world" conditions. Most customers won't be using the phone in a laboratory.
Perhaps we should start a new campaign to get HTC to be more honest about "real-world" expectations.
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What can i say........except that HTC should look in to the real world more often!
I use many phones, from htc, and from other company , my last two nokia phones was "business versions" with "everlasting" battery - first e65 least 40h , second - better version - only 22h ( e66) - it's normal - in this world
If HTC say it's a standard EU process, then perhaps we should campaign to get the EU standard changed as the current published figures give no indication of the phones real performance.
Don't get me wrong, I love the phone but I've never seen one like this go flat in such a short time when on standby.
i love how they say it lasts up to 490 hours on standby, but 24 hours is what they would expect
it's actually ridiculous how deceitful these companies are, we deserve better than this
it's not right that they lie right to our faces to what we are getting and how we have no rights
just not right.
I think we need a bit of a reality check here. I'm not especially inclined to defend HTC but they have a point about the stuff that may be running on the phone. Anyone who has tried some new toys must have encountered one that sucks the life out of the battery for no obvious reason - scale that down and extrapolate across a raft of apps that most of us here will have on our phones and you will get a host of variations in terms of battery life...which is exactly what we do get.
Secondly, as kilrah said, that's the way battery life is measured. Instead of whining about it we should treat it as a relative indicator against other phones because that's about all it is good for. I suspect most say 'up to...' in small letters in front of their stand by and talk times anyway.
If I were to buy a car because the specs say that it does 40 miles to the gallon I'd be a mug to expect it to do that when I'm thrashing down the motorway towing a trailer with the windows and sun roof open. But I might well buy it in preference to a car that claims 30 mpg because in the long run it will probably cost me less in running costs.
You pays your money and you takes your choice...I don't personally see any significant misrepresentation in this, but there may be a little end user misunderstanding?
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No surprise here. I observed the same discrepancy on all my phones till now - Motorola, Nokia, Samsung, Siemens, Ericsson, Sony Ericsson, HTC.
Actually I use my phone a lot and I'm more than happy with its performance so far - huge and bright screen, powerful CPU... What are your expectations? 48 hours? A week?
If you think, this is something impressive, go and buy yourself a new monitor and then just measure the advertised contrast ratio - 10000:1 ? Seriously? In fact it is only 700:1. Nothing more to say.
Watch Out: Crazy Contrast Ratios
Exact. And especially on smartphones it's absolutely impossible for the manufacturer or a standards organisation to imagine how you will use your device.
If they can quote anything, it's stock configuration, open the box, put sim card in, press power on, enter your pin, put phone in standby, leave it there, note how long it lasts. That's all.
Knowing that you can do so many things on it, install so many programs that can do what they want to the phone, and that depending on usage the battery life can vary anywhere between 2 hours and 4 days it's totally impossible, by whatever means, to quote something realistic.
When you buy a WM device (or any other Lith-Ion device for that matter) you should know what to expect with regards to battery life, it's not rocket science.
Lithium-Ion batteries are poor, until battery technology is improved it's what we should have come to expect.
That's a bit simplistic, knowing that firstly there's nothing better yet, and secondly the good old phones we had that were lasting a whole week were also using the same batteries or even worse NiMH ones.
It's a combination of a lot of things.
battery life
I turned htc sense off on my phone and now the battery lasts 2-2.5 days with what i would deem reasonable use ie using the internet checking emails texting and 4 or 5 calls a day , if i turn sense back on the battery life drops to about 15 hours so i can live without sense !!! Im far more concerned about the speaker problems and pink photos than the battery )
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That's a bit simplistic, knowing that firstly there's nothing better yet, and secondly the good old phones we had that were lasting a whole week were also using the same batteries or even worse NiMH ones.
It's a combination of a lot of things.
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I assume you are replying to me?
After having 4 HTC devices, I didn't expect anything more from the HD2 than I got from the Wizard or my Kaiser or my Diamond, if anything it was obviously going to be poorer due to the huge screen, hardware and all the software I knew I would be using.
I think your best chance of getting their claimed hours would be by:
1. Completely charging the battery;
2. Use a bare-bone ROM with absolutely nothing installed
3. Switching off all radio signals.. (that is, put the phone in flight mode so that the phone is not transmitting like wireless, bluetooth or anything else at all...)
4. leaving the phone on standby with the screen off.
Of course, noone uses their phone like that, but HTC have used the term "up to" to protect themselves...
HTC would be stupid to change the way they rate their times since every other company is using the same method. I doubt anyone would want to buy a phone that says "Standby Up to 24hours" when every other phone has "Standby Up to 500hours" At best, the rated hours could be used as a comparison/indicator against other phones.
I'm celebrating two weeks into life with my HD2, and after suffering water damage with my HD which had no effect except to bring battery life down to 8 hours a day, I'm really pleased with my 24-28 hours of battery life.
On days I'm using it a lot, I expect 15 hours. However the other day I barely touched the phone (no calls, no music, no random turning on the screen) and I was on 65% after 24 hours, which I felt was good.
I agree with the OP, their quotes are a joke, but I don't look at specs, I look at reviewers to tell me "I expect a day's life from this phone" etc. when I choose a phone. With a screen this size I don't expect miracles, but again, it does feel like a blatant lie when they suggest the phone can sit for weeks without dying, and i give manufacturers (including HTC) no credit for being economical with the truth to their customers.
My SEX1 used to last a few hours more, having a smaller screen, larger battery, and less than half the processor. They specced same timings, as I said I got a few hours more. I doubt Iphone or any other manufacturer, will spec their device like, Standby time 24hrs, talk time 4 hrs. Who would buy such a device?
Anyway I didn't expect it to last any longer. Good thing is I'm in front of my pc for long hours, no harm in letting the phone plugged in.
Isn't draining the Li-Ion actually shortens the battery life?
I'm told that letting the battery get lower than 2.3v isn't a good thing.
Let the battery get low, but not low enough for auto-shutdown
It's called Business Opportunity
All companies all over the world is like HTC.
Whenever there is a problem, they will direct you to purchase something to "solve" the problem.
HD2 problem that we are facing is poor battery performance (if you enable non-Sense). "Solution" is to buy bigger capacity battery.
Problem : screen easily crack
HTC "solution" : tampered glass screen (if HTC would advertise...)
Problem : Screen too sensitive
HTC "solution" : special screen protector (if HTC would advertise...)
Problem : this, that, this , that,
HTC "solution" : you pay, we gain profit!
That's the real world scenario....
Conclusion : HTC = poor quality product(s) at expensive price.
rickyoon.vegas said:
I'm told that letting the battery get lower than 2.3v isn't a good thing.
Let the battery get low, but not low enough for auto-shutdown
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Auto forced shutdown is at 3.6V, which has a lot of margin not to cause damage.
HD2 problem that we are facing is poor battery performance (if you enable non-Sense). "Solution" is to buy bigger capacity battery.
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Sensible solution: if you want battery life of more than 1-2 days, do not get a smartphone, especially not one that has the fastest processor on the market and a 4.3" screen. And read reviews that will tell you "you'll get 1-2 days" and "it lasts just a bit more than an iphone". I.e. Educate yourself.
Problem : screen easily crack
HTC "solution" : tampered glass screen (if HTC would advertise...)
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Sensible solution: Realise you have a large piece of GLASS in front of you, and take care of it as such. Don't drop it, don't sit on it,...
We know how the HD2 behaves. If you read a couple of reviews, you know too. If you now buy it and still complain, there's not much we, or HTC, can do for you.
I just submitted the following letter to HTC's Customer Service:
"Phone = Telus Desire HD. I've been using my new Desire HD for awhile now but have come to conclude it has one major design flaw. If I don't cripple half of its options/features before leaving the house the battery has trouble making it through the day. Once half the features are crippled what's the point of having a smart phone? Please tell me HTC is in the process of designing/producing an upgraded battery? I have no issues with spending additional money to utilize my device to it's full potential, although I am alarmed R&D did not resolve this before launch. HTC did not make the battery cover replaceable nor did they add a little depth to the phone to allow a larger battery. Unless HTC can refine their battery design are all their current Desire HD customers forced to use their phone with reserve? It saddens me that I can't even recommend this phone to a friend because of the atroshish battery life. Lastly when I purchased this phone I did so because of HTC's reputation. I neglected to read current reviews prior to my purchase knowing that it was a flagship phone for HTC. After purchasing it I started browsing reviews and found only one common theme that never deviated. The Desire HD has a dismal battery life. What if anything does HTC plan to do about this??"
Yes guys I know that recent rom development has done leaps and bounds to improve battery life, and there are plenty of ways to extend it but the bottom line is HTC released this and knows that everyone has the same issue. They should come up with some course of resolve. If they found a way to refine the battery vastly extending its life this phone would be untouchable. I hope more users write to HTC and complain. It only takes minutes but as customers our voices should be heard.
JohnnyRebel said:
I just submitted the following letter to HTC's Customer Service:
"Phone = Telus Desire HD. I've been using my new Desire HD for awhile now but have come to conclude it has one major design flaw. If I don't cripple half of its options/features before leaving the house the battery has trouble making it through the day. Once half the features are crippled what's the point of having a smart phone? Please tell me HTC is in the process of designing/producing an upgraded battery? I have no issues with spending additional money to utilize my device to it's full potential, although I am alarmed R&D did not resolve this before launch. HTC did not make the battery cover replaceable nor did they add a little depth to the phone to allow a larger battery. Unless HTC can refine their battery design are all their current Desire HD customers forced to use their phone with reserve? It saddens me that I can't even recommend this phone to a friend because of the atroshish battery life. Lastly when I purchased this phone I did so because of HTC's reputation. I neglected to read current reviews prior to my purchase knowing that it was a flagship phone for HTC. After purchasing it I started browsing reviews and found only one common theme that never deviated. The Desire HD has a dismal battery life. What if anything does HTC plan to do about this??"
Yes guys I know that recent rom development has done leaps and bounds to improve battery life, and there are plenty of ways to extend it but the bottom line is HTC released this and knows that everyone has the same issue. They should come up with some course of resolve. If they found a way to refine the battery vastly extending its life this phone would be untouchable. I hope more users write to HTC and complain. It only takes minutes but as customers our voices should be heard.
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I will do the same HTC India as well
Great News
Sheldon.mathews said:
I will do the same HTC India as well
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Glad to hear it, I hope more follow suit. The way I see it is the XDA forums in the Desire HD section gets an astonishing number of hits. If even 1 out of every 500 people that just read the Desire HD threads write a complaint in regards to a battery it will have a swift impact on a battery upgrade option for the desire hd.
Unfortunately I think this is the HTC policy. They never build a perfect phone; think about the HTC Desire and the Nexus One: they're legendary devices but they had multitouch (and weak reception on N1) issues. The HTC HD2 probably was the best phone they ever made, but it had a tiny 1320 mAh battery and Windows Mobile 6.5. Other phones had issues like camera, WiFi performances, etc... And now our DHD: no S-Amoled ( = more energy required to keep the huge screen on), a low capacity battery and a sub-par GPS.
I think this is their strategy to make sure ppl will keep buying their new phones. You get it, you recognize it has plenty of great features and most things work just as expected (unlike other manufacturer like Samsung, Motorola), you get a lot of software updates... But you have one or more issues which will let you consider to upgrade to their new models.
Just my 2¢... I'd love if HTC should announce a 1500/1600 mAh extended battery tho
Scarey to think about eh?
Drakknar said:
Unfortunately I think this is the HTC policy. They never build a perfect phone; think about the HTC Desire and the Nexus One: they're legendary devices but they had multitouch (and weak reception on N1) issues. The HTC HD2 probably was the best phone they ever made, but it had a tiny 1320 mAh battery and Windows Mobile 6.5. Other phones had issues like camera, WiFi performances, etc... And now our DHD: no S-Amoled ( = more energy required to keep the huge screen on), a low capacity battery and a sub-par GPS.
I think this is their strategy to make sure ppl will keep buying their new phones. You get it, you recognize it has plenty of great features and most things work just as expected (unlike other manufacturer like Samsung, Motorola), you get a lot of software updates... But you have one or more issues which will let you consider to upgrade to their new models.
Just my 2¢... I'd love if HTC should announce a 1500/1600 mAh extended battery tho
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Never quite looked at it that way but maybe it is a HTC conspiracy. Give them just enough to keep them coming back. Regardless I hope you voice you concern to HTC too and maybe we'll see that 1500/1600 mAh battery in the near future.
You won't see it for a couple of reasons.
The Desire hd is near end if life in terms of being a flagship, and the technology simply doesn't exist to increase battery cell density further. The only way would be a physically larger battery which is impossible given the design of the dhd.
Sent from my Desire HD pocket rocket.
I don't know why people complain about the battery life. It is fine for me. And it is a smart phone, what are you going to expect, 2 days of battery???
I easily get a day out of it without any problems. Display is 20%, Wifi on, 3g on, sync on... I say the screen is on for around 1 to 1 and a half hours.
No offense, but I seriously hope you wrong!
dr.m0x said:
You won't see it for a couple of reasons.
The Desire hd is near end if life in terms of being a flagship, and the technology simply doesn't exist to increase battery cell density further. The only way would be a physically larger battery which is impossible given the design of the dhd.
Sent from my Desire HD pocket rocket.
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There is no doubt a new flag ship is just around the corner. And yes I've heard the density argument several times, but I'm praying they still have a trick or two up their sleeves that they have yet to reveal. ;0) Besides, it can never hurt to take a shot even when the odds look overwhelming. But hey who knows, when they respond to me they might just admit I'm SOL. We'll see what the future reveals.
Glad you're happy.
springy said:
I don't know why people complain about the battery life. It is fine for me. And it is a smart phone, what are you going to expect, 2 days of battery???
I easily get a day out of it without any problems. Display is 20%, Wifi on, 3g on, sync on... I say the screen is on for around 1 to 1 and a half hours.
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A day and a half and I'd be ecstatic. I get a full day too, but refrain from allot of the everyday tasks I'd also like to accomplish. I spend 14-16hrs away from home 5-6days a week. Normally by the time I return home my phone is warning me about 15% battery. Yes I could charge it while in my car, yes I could swap batteries (but I HATE the battery cover), and finally yes I could plug it into an outlet for awhile (abandoning my contact with 99.9% of the world) . To me 1230mAh seems exceptionally low for a smart phone doesn't it? Especially is you design one with such a power hungry screen? There are tons of things I do love about this phone and I mean tons. But in a year if this isn't resolved I'll remember it as the awesome phone that ate batteries. Lastly though all I can say is thank god for all the brilliant developers who are coming up with commendable ways to stretch our battery life further. And shame on HTC for just standing by on the sidelines.
The thing is, I don't think anything can really be done to make a battey big enough. Yes you can buy some 1300mAH - 1600mAH but they tend to be worse then the 1230mAH we have in the DHD. The software can be optimised but the main thing is the screen. To be honest, the DHD had a design flaw, a slot that was not big enough to house a battery that can contain more than 1230mAH. The only way we can go forward is hope that new battery technology comes out soon, but this is around 3-5 years away from current experiments technology from what I have seen...
But also, other phones are in the same situations. All battery of under 2000mAH will be terrible. Phones if you want it to last would need at least 10000mAH in my opinion, and again we are around 3-5 years away from this happening at the earliest for a credible solution..
Hate to say it but complaining will be fruitless as htc already have your money.
Sent from my Desire HD pocket rocket.
Yes, there is no point complaining because they have no obligation to comply. Even if they really have the technology to provide a better battery, it simply not a viable business strategy to design a new battery for a phone that soon to be replace by next generation of androids. Its not just HTC, every business is like this, they provide a good product, but always reserve better for the next product cycle. Thats why most updated technology usually takes 5-10years to actually reach consumer market.
I don't think the battery of the HTC Desire HD is so bad, I easy get about 1 day and 12 hours with all options on, ofcourse I don't use battery comsuming apps like twitter, I mean if you are so active with a phone then most smartphones will barely make the day.
I think we should be happy that the battery is removeable, just look at the iPhone, the battery is not removeable and to extend the battery life they need use a external battery, no thanks then I rather carry one spare battery with me for just in case I would need it.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo...nes-could-run-for-months-between-charges.html
That is the technology I head about 6 months ago... now widely reported... this is what will solve our battery problem... Having 1500mAH won't do anything about from extend the life for a few hours.
Too bad we are 3-5 years for it to get anywhere near market consumption
omg
really the battery in the htc desire hd is hopeless....
Well the main power consuming piece of hardware inside our phone is the screen.
Qualcomm have invented a new type of display called the mirasol display, and it uses a lot less power than the traditional LCD. Since HTC and Qualcomm are partners we could be seeing this type of display in future HTC devices.
Source: http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...-screen-technology-teased-ahead-of-ces-demos/
JohnnyRebel said:
I have no issues with spending additional money to utilize my device to it's full potential...
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This obviously doesn't solve the root cause, but if you're willing to spend around 50 USD google for something like "PB-5000 Phone Charger", it's 5000mAh...
my Desire HD has the exact same issue, with only 10-12 hrs maximum with half the features off. i am seriously considering buying the HTC Desire, just for the sake of the battery.
there is a very easy and acceptable solution for this problem. can't they make a charging case or a charging cover or a case holding the 2nd battery being in action for the HTC Desire HD? they have done it for the iPhone. i have mailed so many companies with this idea (including mugen and HTC), however no one replied.
I also have a question: how much does LeeDroid improve the battery issue??? as in how many more hrs does it give me?
Thanks, Best Regards, Android Asim
Trouble? Not so much.....
What kind of services are you running?
I listen to music to and from work, wifi is on all day at work + listen to music and watch a video or two. LiveProfile is on all day as well. I normally don't use Livewallpapers. A charge will last all day for me with this typical usage. Now, If I start rocking "Dungeon Hunter" or some other game or am using GPS then battery goes way down and I have to hit the trickle charge at work ( USB to Computer )
I normally charge overnight.
It is a Smartphone with a huge screen and chip, it's not a MOTO RAZR.
dhiral.v said:
Well the main power consuming piece of hardware inside our phone is the screen.
Qualcomm have invented a new type of display called the mirasol display, and it uses a lot less power than the traditional LCD. Since HTC and Qualcomm are partners we could be seeing this type of display in future HTC devices.
Source: http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...-screen-technology-teased-ahead-of-ces-demos/
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Sounds pretty good. I like my DHD and all its awesome functions but having to be so careful about battery consumption really is a pain in the ***. The phone's screen is pretty darn nice to look at, but I have it set to 25% brightness just to keep consumption down a bit. Seriously, using the DHD's screen for 4 hours the battery is almost empty.
I'd really have no problem settling with a 'less pretty' screen if it would mean I could use my phone for more than 4 hours a day.
chumbagen said:
What kind of services are you running?
I listen to music to and from work, wifi is on all day at work + listen to music and watch a video or two. LiveProfile is on all day as well. I normally don't use Livewallpapers. A charge will last all day for me with this typical usage. Now, If I start rocking "Dungeon Hunter" or some other game or am using GPS then battery goes way down and I have to hit the trickle charge at work ( USB to Computer )
I normally charge overnight.
It is a Smartphone with a huge screen and chip, it's not a MOTO RAZR.
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My typical use during a day:
-Unplug it at around 8:00
-Making calls for about 30 minutes
-Sending ~25 SMS
-Internet for about 2 hours (1 hour wifi and 1 hour 3G/H)
-Listening to music for about 1 hour
-Checking my awesome team in RunFootball ~5 times a day
-Plug it in at around 22:00
At 22:00, the battery is usually down to below 15%. I have GPS, BT, wifi and 3G off unless actively using them. With my screen brightness set at a low 25% the maximum screen time I can get out off my DHD is 4 hours. There are no rogue apps running in the background.
Honestly, a phone with this type of power consumption needs atleast an 1800mAh battery to last me through a day without me worrying about it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz9ln266aaY
Hi all,
I have posted a youtube link on my S2 battery
It is deformed and used only for 6 months. This is an original battery
Can't believe Samsung can produce such low quality battery.
Pls be informed and check your battery always just in case (who knows it might blow up)
One bad ten million good .
jje
Have mine the same length of time and no such problems, could be a multitude of reasons as to why this happened, a replacement battery doesn't cost that much anyway.
at the end of day,nothing is perfect and samsung arnt the only one to make this mistake but we are talking very slim numbers
TheiPhoneKiller said:
at the end of day,nothing is perfect and samsung arnt the only one to make this mistake but we are talking very slim numbers
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true. if it is just battery dead fine but this kind of faulty battery can lead to explosion and a safety hazard
tanwt said:
true. if it is just battery dead fine but this kind of faulty battery can lead to explosion and a safety hazard
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absolutly,if the battery was live and anything was to happen than Samsung will be held liable due to the manufacturing defect in the mean time if anyone does start to have the problem,they should stop using the battery and contact Samsung asap and get them to replace under warranty otherwise it damage your device and worse yourself but were talking probably about 1 or 2% of all made
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true. if it is just battery dead fine but this kind of faulty battery can lead to explosion and a safety hazard
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Sound advice, but as stated there will be a small numer effected.. However, can you contact Samsung regarding this and provide them with the serial number of the battery.... maybe it's a bad batch, they should also replace it under warranty.
Dmonty said:
Sound advice, but as stated there will be a small numer effected.. However, can you contact Samsung regarding this and provide them with the serial number of the battery.... maybe it's a bad batch, they should also replace it under warranty.
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i did went to their customer service. since it is out of warranty (by a few days), they don't even want to look at it (although i showed to them how deformed it is). they just say you need to buy a new one
when i just walked away, they have the chick to ask me "hey, aren't you buying the battery"?
sounds like they care about making money and not improving their product
tanwt said:
i did went to their customer service. since it is out of warranty (by a few days), they don't even want to look at it (although i showed to them how deformed it is). they just say you need to buy a new one
when i just walked away, they have the chick to ask me "hey, aren't you buying the battery"?
sounds like they care about making money and not improving their product
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How is it out of warranty if you say it is only 6 months old?? You should get a minimum of 1 years warranty on your phone with the manufacturer.
battery is only 6 months
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battery is only 6 months
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Yip, you're right, I thought the warranty would be 12 months.... confirmed as 6 months on the below link :
http://www.samsung.com/uk/support/warranty/warrantyInformation.do?page=POLICY.WARRANTY
nothing is perfect!!!
inviato da sgs2
Well... You battery actually looks like something smacked your phone on the back side^^
I can't image a single reason why a Smartphone battery would deform, but I really
recommend switching to an new one because Lithium gets really angry when exposed to fresh air... (I heard there is this official 2000 MAh battery available for like 20 - 30 bucks.... )
damn you really gotta be a unlucky guy, those type of defects on hardware are 1 in a million.
i have the original battery for over 6 months and it stills in perfect conditions.
now i have also the 2000mAh and its also perfect.
now, what i sugest is, buy a new battery and fast, you might risk yourself to get burned or something like that.
if you what an advice, before buying a new battery, think if its better the normal 1650mAh battery or the newer 2000mAh battery.
The newer turns the phone a bit more heavy but gives you better handling and much more time before it drains out all charge.
ps. sorry for my bad english, lol
Barratas said:
Well... You battery actually looks like something smacked your phone on the back side^^
I can't image a single reason why a Smartphone battery would deform, but I really
recommend switching to an new one because Lithium gets really angry when exposed to fresh air... (I heard there is this official 2000 MAh battery available for like 20 - 30 bucks.... )
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my guess is abnormal chemical reaction in the battery
just to clarify. i didn't overclock, use stock rom and didn't drop my phone (or battery) at all
sure, i won't use this battery. already removed it. sourcing for replacement now
NirVas- said:
damn you really gotta be a unlucky guy, those type of defects on hardware are 1 in a million.
i have the original battery for over 6 months and it stills in perfect conditions.
now i have also the 2000mAh and its also perfect.
now, what i sugest is, buy a new battery and fast, you might risk yourself to get burned or something like that.
if you what an advice, before buying a new battery, think if its better the normal 1650mAh battery or the newer 2000mAh battery.
The newer turns the phone a bit more heavy but gives you better handling and much more time before it drains out all charge.
ps. sorry for my bad english, lol
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well, i am unlucky and lucky at the same time
unlucky - got this 1 in a million defect
lucky - detect it before it explode when talking on the phone (btw, the battery is still functional)
Do you play 3D games while your phone is charging? It looks like classical overheated battery. Happen to my old Nokia too.
The camera work it liable to making you throw up. I did comment to say as much. Either way it's probably one out of a million, which in mass manufacturing is pretty good.
Sleepycat3 said:
Do you play 3D games while your phone is charging? It looks like classical overheated battery. Happen to my old Nokia too.
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i did play play some games while charging and yes, the temperature did indicate it did goes up to 45C
but i was told this kind of heat is ok. nothing to worry about
diablous said:
The camera work it liable to making you throw up. I did comment to say as much. Either way it's probably one out of a million, which in mass manufacturing is pretty good.
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sorry about that
will take note of this kind of "effect" in the future
Isn't it obvious? Battery is basically the only thing that degrades significantly after one years time, and by making it non-removable, Samsuck can generate more sales and keep their shareholders happy and CEO gets to keep their job.
Samsuck don't give a sht about consumers like us, they only care about sales figure.
Well, technically you can replace battery in an iphone, you just need a suction tool to pry the phone apart, and then you have to pretty much disassemble the whole phone to get to the battery but you could do it. It is entirely possible you will be able to do the same with Samsung, that is unless Samsung decides to go nuclear and designs a case that cannot be disassembled without being destroyed in the process - I guess we'll have to wait for an ifixit guide.
However, in the spirit, I agree with you, most consumers won't go that far to replace an aging battery, so it is planned obsolescence.
Lol. Yea. That's it...replacing the entire phone because the battery loses an hour or 2 charge time. Sneaky Samsung!
Rippley05 said:
Lol. Yea. That's it...replacing the entire phone because the battery loses an hour or 2 charge time. Sneaky Samsung!
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Long live the warranty
kuromusha38 said:
Isn't it obvious? Battery is basically the only thing that degrades significantly after one years time, and by making it non-removable, Samsuck can generate more sales and keep their shareholders happy and CEO gets to keep their job.
Samsuck don't give a sht about consumers like us, they only care about sales figure.
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This is where the biggest downside is. Everyone is pushing for turbo chargers and wireless charging, but both cause your phone to heat up a lot, and we all know that heat degrades battery performance. Constant fast charging and the heat of wireless charging is going to make the battery die even faster.
It's like we are going back to a more disposable phone like the Nokia bricks of old. However, the more people get in on a one-year upgrade cycle, the less a degrading battery will be an issue.
natefish said:
It's like we are going back to a more disposable phone like the Nokia bricks of old. However, the more people get in on a one-year upgrade cycle, the less a degrading battery will be an issue.
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For people that keep their phone for several years or used phone buyers the battery issue will be a nightmare.
I think my habit of switching phones is a quicker factor for planned obsolescence
they are probably thinking that the reason why galaxy sales are down is in part to the capability of replacing the battery, which is a valid point. Im the perfect example, im still rocking the S3 but im still on the original battery (almost 3 yrs old)
Planned obsolescence, Datsun tried that in the UK, they made the cars rust faster (you couldn't make this stuff up) by putting cardboard inside the door skin, the intention and the reality was to rust the car, they thought if it didn't last that people would keep buying new ones!
They didn't......
"Degrades significantly" after a year huh?? My Gnex is still running like a champ on the same battery nearly 3 1/2 years later.
I dont understand why people worry too much about battery, LG, Google, Motorola, HTC, Sony, Microsoft and many more, Samsung is last in this league to remove removable from flagship model
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Currently there are no real world reviews of battery life for the S6. So, any battery life woes are premature, at best. Not to say they aren't warranted, but until real world numbers start coming in, we shouldn't rush to judgement just yet. Plus, the majority of phones are being made without removable batteries (Z3, Nexus 4, Nexus 5, HTC One series (M7-9), LG G2, Motorola E/G/X to name a few...I won't mention that company from Cupertino...), and while reviews mention it, they don't harp on lack of removable battery. It just boils down to personal preference. I remember the heated debates 5 years ago, when the slide-out qwerty was going the way of the dodo. Now, no one mentions it anymore.
Plus, all phones are made for planned obsolescence. Even Sony wanted to release a new flagship model every 6 months.
Battery life in the S6 will probably be on par with other smartphones. And the battery will last for many many charge cycles. For heavy users, no phone will get them through the day. But with the amount of accessories people buy for their phones, I have no doubt the aftermarket will be there to help you alleviate your battery woes.
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We have now read many articles, blogs and forums on the S6 ... I was just interested in what your thoughts were thus far, and it really boils down to these poll choices.
Please make your selection and lets see what the general mood is!
My wife and I both own S3's and in the morning on more than a few times we have forgotten to charge one phone and just quickly traded to one of our extra OEM batteries that are charged and off we went. We are busy all day with work and such and we don't have the luxury of having a desk at work to be charging our phones to last all day. That is really what disappointed me. We are both ready to upgrade, but are not even sure what to get now since we both really like using the S3.
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My wife and I both own S3's and in the morning on more than a few times we have forgotten to charge one phone and just quickly traded to one of our extra OEM batteries that are charged and off we went. We are busy all day with work and such and we don't have the luxury of having a desk at work to be charging our phones to last all day. That is really what disappointed me. We are both ready to upgrade, but are not even sure what to get now since we both really like using the S3.
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But would you forget to charge your phone if all you had to do it set it down on a plate?
Also, you really, really can't compare the battery life of an S3 to current gen phones.
se1000 said:
But would you forget to charge your phone if all you had to do it set it down on a plate?
Also, you really, really can't compare the battery life of an S3 to current gen phones.
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Agree that it'd be hard to forget to charge the phone when just dropping it on a plate but am I willing to pay more for said plate just for convience? The phones will already command a premium price and the wireless charging plate doesn't come in the box.
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But would you forget to charge your phone if all you had to do it set it down on a plate?
Also, you really, really can't compare the battery life of an S3 to current gen phones.
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I am not comparing S3 battery with new phones... its not what i typed...
All im saying is that i enjoy just simply popping the battery in the back in 5 seconds and being on my way. That is my preference. If the wireless charger comes included and isnt finicky on placement then yea. In any case i have nothing more to contribute. I really like the way the S6 looks though.
I will get it.
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Can't live w/o
Taking out the battery has saved my rear end many times. Also, unless it comes with a 128gb of useable storage I would need a SD slot. I hope that they wouldn't do the same to Note5.
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I am not comparing S3 battery with new phones... its not what i typed...
All im saying is that i enjoy just simply popping the battery in the back in 5 seconds and being on my way. That is my preference. If the wireless charger comes included and isnt finicky on placement then yea. In any case i have nothing more to contribute. I really like the way the S6 looks though.
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I get what you're saying, I really do, but the battery life on newer devices are just in a different league, and keep in mind you're 3 generations behind. Assuming the S6 has similar battery performance to that of the S5, you will be able to use your phone twice to almost 3 times as long as your current S3.
Also remember, with Quick Charge 2.0, you go from flat to 50% in 30 ish minutes. If you notice you've forgotten to charge your phone when you wake up, plug it in and by the time you head out the door it'll have quite a bit of juice. Again, given the stamina of these new phones, at 50% you're still looking at what you would consider a days worth of usage. The Note 4 comes with a QC2.0 charger, I'm assuming the S6 will as well, so there's no extra charge for this.
It's not perfect, just want to point out that it's not like how it was just even a few short years ago. For example, between I've been running a Z2 and Z3 for the last year or so and with the stamina these devices have, I've never ever gone flat before a day is over. This is including those days where I've had to take a red-eye flight, used the phone the whole flight to listen to music and wasn't around a wall plug the next day. Not a full 48, but a solid 36hrs of moderate to heavy usage.
No due to all of the below:
1. No SD card - I am not paying threefold for internal storage
2. No removable battery - I keep my phones for a long time so I like to have an option to replace battery that won't hold charge anymore
3. Exynos CPU - no more Cyanogenmod means at best I'm stuck with touchwiz, thanks but no, I don't like that bloat on my phones
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My wife and I both own S3's and in the morning on more than a few times we have forgotten to charge one phone and just quickly traded to one of our extra OEM batteries that are charged and off we went. We are busy all day with work and such and we don't have the luxury of having a desk at work to be charging our phones to last all day. That is really what disappointed me. We are both ready to upgrade, but are not even sure what to get now since we both really like using the S3.
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I need to get away from Sony. I love the phone, but their mobil division is unstable, and I want to switch to a company that is more secure. Samsung S6 won it over for me above the M9 and any other phone
no to all of the above.. even if I was to agree on losing the up until now standard Galaxy features of the battery and SD I would rather get a Nexus
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