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[Q] Bezels

Quick question,
i noticed the bezels are slightly thicker than what i expected it to be.
so my question is, to anyone that owns an s4, does the s5 bezels look any thicker than the s4's?
i know the device isn't out yet and many people havent gotten a chance to hold one yet, but yeah.

spazzy1912 said:
Quick question,
i noticed the bezels are slightly thicker than what i expected it to be.
so my question is, to anyone that owns an s4, does the s5 bezels look any thicker than the s4's?
i know the device isn't out yet and many people havent gotten a chance to hold one yet, but yeah.
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Yes it s thicker.
but thicker is not that bad. maybe someone like thinner bezel like LG G2 But they should always use good case for it!
cause thr s no durability for G2!
but S5 seems to have good durability!

Bezels seem bigger and the overall size of the phone is bigger too. I don't understand how it got that much bigger due to screen being 0.1 inch bigger and battery being just 200mah more. See for yourself here
x102x96x said:
but S5 seems to have good durability!
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There's no point in debating durability. We all know if it's dropped without a case, the chance that it breaks is like rolling a dice.

x102x96x said:
Yes it s thicker.
but thicker is not that bad. maybe someone like thinner bezel like LG G2 But they should always use good case for it!
cause thr s no durability for G2!
but S5 seems to have good durability!
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just a bit concerned because the bezels are HUGE on my xperia z ):

I think the IP67 rating of the phone is the reason the phone is bigger than we would have thought it was gonna be.
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spazzy1912 said:
just a bit concerned because the bezels are HUGE on my xperia z ):
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The S5 will still have way smaller bezels than any of the Xperia Z* devices. While the Z2 may have a 5.2' screen, at least 0.2" are used up by the nav buttons so in reality you really only have a 5" screen for the majority of the time unless you are watching videos where the nav buttons hide away.
The other issue is with the massive bottom bezel and the on screen nav buttons, it leads to an awkward typing experience.
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Moto E vs. Defy?

Hi,
Does someone own the moto e? How does it fare against the defy? Is it an upgrade?
I need a new phone but money is tight, the only feature I really need is some waterproofness and the ability to scan documents.
Cheers

moto E or if you can use more money moto G both is great

Looking at the specs, the E is definitely an upgrade when coming from DEFY.
At the same time, the DEFY was in a higher price range when it launched, hence it feels like a higher quality device... At least to me. The E is almost the same size as G, but has .2" smaller screen. It's got a fat ugly bezel around the screen... I don't know, it's not my cup of tea, but for the price it's awesome! Nothing's better at that price point, imho.

I think moto g doesnt have any waterresistancy, while the moto e got a coating comparable to sony z1 me think.
What about the camera in the e, I only hear bad things about it? It cant really be as bad as defys(apart from that flashlight absence)?

qx876 said:
I think moto g doesnt have any waterresistancy, while the moto e got a coating comparable to sony z1 me think.
What about the camera in the e, I only hear bad things about it? It cant really be as bad as defys(apart from that flashlight absence)?
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Defy is pretty good with a custom rom!
Moto E is only water "splash" resistant, just the screen a few drops if you put it in water it will die (you can look up a video)
I think it is not worth the change, you will spend 110€ for a bigger screen, camera with no flash and no water resistant... for a bit more you have Moto G (170€), and for a bit more Xiaomi Mi3 (220€)

mariosanoguera said:
Moto E is only water "splash" resistant, just the screen a few drops if you put it in water it will die (you can look up a video)
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Actually you are right, no clue how effective this splash resistance is. I always assumed it can withstand rain on a handlebar and such.

How big is the air gap of the display?

I always loved the laminated screens, yes even before apple sold it as innovation, and after seeing some videos it seems like the air gap of the Moto x style is pretty big. How visible is it in daily use if you are used to laminated screens for a long time?

Pretty sure it's laminated. If not, it must be a very small air gap because I don't notice much, if any, difference between how close the pixels are to the surface vs my wife's iPhone 6.

Thanks, that sounds good. I can see a gap though on most YouTube videos where the device is shown from different angles you can clearly see that the black edges of the screen disappear or get bigger depending on the angle. Which means there is a gap. But if it's not really noticeable on regular usage it would be fine for me. Still waiting for my ordered 64gb version in Germany. The delay is bad and makes me think about cancelling and getting an nexus 6p instead...

Shahpur.Azizpour said:
Thanks, that sounds good. I can see a gap though on most YouTube videos where the device is shown from different angles you can clearly see that the black edges of the screen disappear or get bigger depending on the angle. Which means there is a gap. But if it's not really noticeable on regular usage it would be fine for me. Still waiting for my ordered 64gb version in Germany. The delay is bad and makes me think about cancelling and getting an nexus 6p instead...
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Hm. I haven't seen that, but maybe it's because I have the black front model. Possibly easier to notice on the white front model.

I have a white model and can't see any gap, regardless of viewing angle. If there is a gap, I can't see it.

It could also be from the rounded glass on the edge.

I had a GS6 before this and the gap is noticeably bigger on the Pure. It's not bad at all and you certainly habituate to it but it was noticeable.

johnclevenger said:
I had a GS6 before this and the gap is noticeably bigger on the Pure. It's not bad at all and you certainly habituate to it but it was noticeable.
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I also currently have an s6. The s6 has basically zero air gap and I hope the Moto x Display gap will not turn me off too much.

Shahpur.Azizpour said:
I also currently have an s6. The s6 has basically zero air gap and I hope the Moto x Display gap will not turn me off too much.
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Why are u moving from s6 to moto x if u don't mind me asking. For stock Android exp?
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Definitely want minimal gap for this phone as well. Makes the screen seem to float.

Doubt there is air gap. Hardly any phones have air gap these days. Usually relegated to the lowest end phones with cheapest components. The 'gap' might be due to the moto x ha ing gorilla glass 3 and not 4. GG3 is thicker than 4. They both have same strength, just GG4 is thinner. It has made nice difference almost touching the actual display. My Motorola atrix is a canyon compared to my recent phones in regards to air gap.

cougzzz said:
Why are u moving from s6 to moto x if u don't mind me asking. For stock Android exp?
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Definitely want minimal gap for this phone as well. Makes the screen seem to float.
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The S6 is my first Samsung device which is not a Nexus. I was hoping that they learned from their past mistakes but I found following issues:
- battery life was good at first and now it's just plain bad. In the morning I unplug the device with 100 %. And it loses 20 percent in the way to the office with only a few minutes onscreen time.
- I don't give a ... that the s6 has great benchmarks. In real life this hardware beast stutters and is slower than my old N5. This may be different for games, but I dont play 3d games on smartphones. I think TW is still the culprit here. Basically Samsung is using high end specs and killing them off with their stupid overlay. Even though the UI is getting better, the Samsung add ons to Android seem to bog down the whole experience.
- I hate the fact that I hit the capacitive buttons all the time when holding the device in landscape. That doesn't happen with onscreen buttons since my hands can rest on the bezel.
- the fingerprint scanner is slow as hell. It's a joke compared to my iPhone 6.
These are the reasons I really look forward to get the Moto x. For me they tick all the right boxes.

@rbiter said:
Doubt there is air gap. Hardly any phones have air gap these days. Usually relegated to the lowest end phones with cheapest components. The 'gap' might be due to the moto x ha ing gorilla glass 3 and not 4. GG3 is thicker than 4. They both have same strength, just GG4 is thinner. It has made nice difference almost touching the actual display. My Motorola atrix is a canyon compared to my recent phones in regards to air gap.
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Could also be the case. But the result is the same for the users eye. It looks like a gap, I can clearly see the black edges changing their size depending on the angle you look at the device. But as most say it's not a huge thing I hope I'll be OK with it.
I was one of the people really hating the ipad air because of the gap. Back then my colleagues said it doesn't matter. But one year later Apple introduced the laminated screen. And everybody was freaking out.

You guys are funny
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shoman94 said:
You guys are funny
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What's funny about this discussion?

Shahpur.Azizpour said:
What's funny about this discussion?
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Mostly that you keep claiming there is an air gap when you haven't even seen the phone in person. I have the phone in my hand and I don't think there is one, thought the glass might be a tiny bit thicker than the Galaxy S6. By the way, I looked at my friend's white iPhone 6 Plus and the black border around the edge of the display also changes size when viewing it from different angles, so I don't think that indicates that the screen isn't laminated.

gtg465x said:
Mostly that you keep claiming there is an air gap when you haven't even seen the phone in person. I have the phone in my hand and I don't think there is one, thought the glass might be a tiny bit thicker than the Galaxy S6. By the way, I looked at my friend's white iPhone 6 Plus and the black border around the edge of the display also changes size when viewing it from different angles, so I don't think that indicates that the screen isn't laminated.
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The thread is a question. So I'm not claiming anything just stating what I can see on HD videos. And one guy with a s6 confirmed my impression. So it might be the screen glass, it might be an air gap. It doesnt matter, if the result is the same visually.
I was just curious to know and some people seem to notice it, others don't. Well my Moto X is already under way and I will see it myself soon.
Honestly the more I see about the Nexus 6p the more I like it. I'll get a nexus 6p as work phone and the style is my private phone. Eager to see which one will wind up becoming my main phone.

Lol. How contorted does your head or phone need to be for you to see this "air gap"? I've had a long list of phones and have never noticed what is being described in this thread. I must have issues.
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PiousInquisitor said:
Lol. How contorted does your head or phone need to be for you to see this "air gap"? I've had a long list of phones and have never noticed what is being described in this thread. I must have issues.
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This kind of reactions remind me of the discussions I had when the first devices with pentile amoled screens arrived back then (nexus one). It looked like crap, but one of the inventors tried to convince everybody on xda that the human eye can't see the pentile matrix on a hvga resolution.
The point is: it's great if you don't see it. Be happy.

Shahpur.Azizpour said:
This kind of reactions remind me of the discussions I had when the first devices with pentile amoled screens arrived back then (nexus one). It looked like crap, but one of the inventors tried to convince everybody on xda that the human eye can't see the pentile matrix on a hvga resolution.
The point is: it's great if you don't see it. Be happy.
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The difference is with the air gap you have to view the screen from unnatural angles to see it.
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PiousInquisitor said:
The difference is with the air gap you have to view the screen from unnatural angles to see it.
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No, that's not what it's about. With an air gap the image on the screen doesn't look like it's printed on the screen (which is more pleasant to the eye). And when you interact with the screen, a small or nonexistent air gap will have a better UX because it feels more immediate to touch an image which is as near to the screen/digitizer surface as possible.
The best example is the first ipad air. It felt totally awkward because the gap was huge. Much bigger than the previous ipads. Apple didn't make a big deal out of the laminated screen with no reason.

Afraid of how big this phone will actually be

I ordered the Nexus 6P for the price and the premium build and the better specs. I have never used a phablet before. I am really anxious of how big this phone will be in actual day to day use. The hands-on videos and the Google event doesn't really show me how big the phone actually is.
Anyone else in the same boat and pulled the trigger on the 6P because of better specs?

iPathik said:
I ordered the Nexus 6P for the price and the premium build and the better specs. I have never used a phablet before. I am really anxious of how big this phone will be in actual day to day use. The hands-on videos and the Google event doesn't really show me how big the phone actually is.
Anyone else in the same boat and pulled the trigger on the 6P because of better specs?
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It's pretty much identical in height and size to an iPhone 6 plus.... Go to a store and check that out to get a feel for the size
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Having gone from a note 4 to iPhone 6+ (almost identical dimensions to 6p) I can tell you that it's not a big deal. Unless you've been using phones like the z3 compact then it'll be no big deal.
If you want to get a feel for the size, weight, and thickness go pickup an iphone 6+... I'm not joking, it's insane how close they are.
iphone: 158.1 x 77.8 x 7.1mm (6.22 x 3.06 x 0.28in) and 172g (6.07oz)
nexus 6p: 159.3 x 77.8 x 7.3 mm (6.27 x 3.06 x 0.29 inches) and 178g (6.28oz)

htowngator said:
Having gone from a note 4 to iPhone 6+ (almost identical dimensions to 6p) I can tell you that it's not a big deal. Unless you've been using phones like the z3 compact then it'll be no big deal.
If you want to get a feel for the size, weight, and thickness go pickup an iphone 6+... I'm not joking, it's insane how close they are.
iphone: 158.1 x 77.8 x 7.1mm (6.22 x 3.06 x 0.28in) and 172g (6.07oz)
nexus 6p: 159.3 x 77.8 x 7.3 mm (6.27 x 3.06 x 0.29 inches) and 178g (6.28oz)
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I am planning on it. I made a little mockup in paint for the dimensions. Drew out a rectangle and tried to feel it in the hand and it feels huge. I guess it will be more compact because of the design and the curves on the side and the back but still a little anxious.

iPathik said:
I am planning on it. I made a little mockup in paint for the dimensions. Drew out a rectangle and tried to feel it in the hand and it feels huge. I guess it will be more compact because of the design and the curves on the side and the back but still a little anxious.
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Which phone do you own know?

I have a Samsung Galaxy S6. Hating it so much. Switched from the Nexus 5.

iPathik said:
I have a Samsung Galaxy S6. Hating it so much. Switched from the Nexus 5.
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http://www.phonearena.com/phones/si...ng-Galaxy-S6,Google-Nexus-6P/phones/8997,9587

taller and wider than note 5. yes, pretty much exact same size of iphone6+

iPathik said:
I ordered the Nexus 6P for the price and the premium build and the better specs. I have never used a phablet before. I am really anxious of how big this phone will be in actual day to day use. The hands-on videos and the Google event doesn't really show me how big the phone actually is.
Anyone else in the same boat and pulled the trigger on the 6P because of better specs?
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My wife is 5'1" and has a Nexus 6; she has really tiny hands and thinks the phone is small. Her and I are both a little disappointed that they dropped to a 5.7" screen but its still better than a tiny 5.5" one.

The first phablet I bought was a note 2. The first few days my hand cramped up using it. I thought I made a mistake. Now I can't go back I've had the note 2 3 4 and now 6p.
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Seems from what I am hearing from everyone, your mind will just get used to it. The wait till November 4th is also making me anxious! This is the worst feeling ever! I am going to check out an iPhone 6+ just to see how it feels in the hand. Never owned a Phablet before but I really don't want to get the Nexus 5X since the 6P is more premium and better specs wise for only $70 more.
Google should not have gimped the 5X.

was looking for that site!!
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http://www.phonearena.com/phones/si...ng-Galaxy-S6,Google-Nexus-6P/phones/8997,9587
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Thanks for that link, knew it existed just didn't remember which site it was to compare to my daily drivers!

Pilz said:
My wife is 5'1" and has a Nexus 6; she has really tiny hands and thinks the phone is small. Her and I are both a little disappointed that they dropped to a 5.7" screen but its still better than a tiny 5.5" one.
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You should buy a tablet, haha

warplane95 said:
You should buy a tablet, haha
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Or a tv-sized phone
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There's more to it than just size, Also weight, shape, feel & form factor... the Nexus6 P should be the best of all fits! Winning

........ thats what she said ...........

galaxys said:
There's more to it than just size, Also weight, shape, feel & form factor... the Nexus6 P should be the best of all fits! Winning
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the lumia 950xl look like the clear winner^^

warplane95 said:
You should buy a tablet, haha
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I have a Nvdia shield but its source too big to easily use one handed. I used to use my Nexus 7 (2013) one handed all of the time while walking around campus. I can settle for the 5.7" display becuase they have a huge battery in the phone

My first phablet was the Note 2. When i first got it the damn thing felt huge. I kept saying "damn this is so big I'm not sure I can carry it around all the time".
I used it for about a day and after that I couldn't go back to a smaller device. Now anything under 5.5 inches screen size isn't on the table for me.
If you use your phone a lot the larger screen size is amazing from a usability standpoint.

It's not the size of your pencil that counts, it's how you sign your name.

Thinking of ordering G4 Plus, held Moto Z yesterday

I was thinking about ordering a Moto G4Plus (64GB, which of course comes with 4GB RAM , Metallic Silver front, Chalk White back, Metallic Ocean accents).
Decide to go with the Z instead of Note 7 due to official specs recently received.
I can't believe how thin the Z is, and the Z Force isn't a whole lot thicker : decisions, decisions, decisions
but anyway, has anyone purchased the G4Plus?

So what is wrong with Note 7 specs. They are pretty excellent. I was thinking of cancelling sprint and use my xmpe on cricket but seeing those specs...

DJTeeJay said:
but anyway, has anyone purchased the G4Plus?
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I know my local Best Buy store carries them. Played around with it a bit and it is pretty solid. However, it is not enough for me to give over to from my Pure. I think I read some people are getting better SOT and battery life, but I'm doing just fine with the MXPE for my usage scenario.

barakisbrown said:
So what is wrong with Note 7 specs. They are pretty excellent. I was thinking of cancelling sprint and use my xmpe on cricket but seeing those specs...
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It's got the Snapdragon 820, should have been 823 or whatever the next upgrade is. It seems like every god dam fone is gonna have the 820 chip.

DJTeeJay said:
I was thinking about ordering a Moto G4Plus (64GB, which of course comes with 4GB RAM , Metallic Silver front, Chalk White back, Metallic Ocean accents).
Decide to go with the Z instead of Note 7 due to official specs recently received.
I can't believe how thin the Z is, and the Z Force isn't a whole lot thicker : decisions, decisions, decisions
but anyway, has anyone purchased the G4Plus?
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Ordered the G4 Plus for my dad. It's nice, the finger print reader is cool. I still think the Spec's of the MXPE put it a notch above. The G4 Plus is all plastic and the display is clearly not as crisp as the MXPE. Of course the G4 is 1920x1080 while the MXPE and Moto Z are 2560x1440. Moto Z has the AMOLED display which is great. If the Moto Z is Verizon specific then that is the one down side, although Verizon's coverage is the best. I think the G4 Plus is a nice phone for sure but I wouldn't trade my MXPE for it. It seems nice and fast and I'm sure the G4 Plus battery should be pretty decent since the display is lower resolution. Has the same 3000 mAh battery as the MXPE. Overall it's a great choice and has a nice camera too, except for low light, but that is to be expected at this price. If you are a Verizon customer and don't mind the extra price tag, I would go for the Z, unless it can't be unlocked, then it would be the G4 Plus.

robn30 said:
Ordered the G4 Plus for my dad. It's nice, the finger print reader is cool. I still think the Spec's of the MXPE put it a notch above. The G4 Plus is all plastic and the display is clearly not as crisp as the MXPE. Of course the G4 is 1920x1080 while the MXPE and Moto Z are 2560x1440. Moto Z has the AMOLED display which is great. If the Moto Z is Verizon specific then that is the one down side, although Verizon's coverage is the best. I think the G4 Plus is a nice phone for sure but I wouldn't trade my MXPE for it. It seems nice and fast and I'm sure the G4 Plus battery should be pretty decent since the display is lower resolution. Has the same 3000 mAh battery as the MXPE. Overall it's a great choice and has a nice camera too, except for low light, but that is to be expected at this price. If you are a Verizon customer and don't mind the extra price tag, I would go for the Z, unless it can't be unlocked, then it would be the G4 Plus.
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I need to send my MXPE to Lenovo for a repair, think of it more as a "in-betweener" until I have the loot or the price drops. I also wanna see those two fish being released soon

DJTeeJay said:
I need to send my MXPE to Lenovo for a repair, think of it more as a "in-betweener" until I have the loot or the price drops. I also wanna see those two fish being released soon
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The Moto Z looks nice, but thus far it is exclusive to Verizon (which blows). MXPE is still the best Moto option in terms of specs for the other networks

aybarrap1 said:
The Moto Z looks nice, but thus far it is exclusive to Verizon (which blows). MXPE is still the best Moto option in terms of specs for the other networks
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I'm on TMO so i'm fine...