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Moto X Hands-On 8/23

So.... I just left my local AT&T store after some quality hands-on time with the Moto X. My verdict: take my damned money, Motorola!
Disclaimer: I'm not a Moto or AT&T rep, just a guy who's owned 10+ Android devices since the G1 and up to the Galaxy S4. And currently I'm rocking the Lumia 1020 as my daily driver: love it too!
So I walked in at 9am when the store opened and made a quick sweep of the store looking for a Moto customatic booth. Today is the official launch and my bet was 50/50 they'd have a display up and running. Turns out they didn't :/ Way to go AT&T! Next I made a bee line for the store manager. Long story short: he didn't know when they would have display models available but he was more than happy to open a brand new white model up for me...
So? The Moto X feels fantastic. Think iPhone size, but rounded to fit exactly in your hands. I can honestly say there's no other phone outside of Nokia's Lumia series that feels as good in hand as the X. I'm 6'0" and have what I consider to be average size paws. The svelte bezels meant I could effortlessly reach all the way to the far corners of the screen, FINALLY :victory: I'm totally in love. Manufacturers keep making these razor-thin slabs with zero ergonomics and it's time for a revolution (seriously).
Since I'm a little busy this morning I will list a few observations and hopefully post some pictures later:
- The phone is SOLID. Both in weight and balance. Again the best comparison here is the iPhone 4S (I've never owned one but played with them enough). The guts of this little machine must be packed tight because it feels nothing like Samsung's M.O. of light and flimsy.
- The screen is sharp and and saturated, just like every AMOLED I've used before. Side by side with the GS4 I could discern no difference in screen quality. I would like to throw in the personal opinion that 1920x1080 on a 5", much less a 4.7" screen is completely unnecessary. Completely. GS4 owners (I was one) can argue till they're blue in the face but they'd still be mistaken. If 720p was excellent on a Note II at 5.5" then 720p at 4.7" is that much better. Yep, it's true.
- The buttons did not rattle or feel loose as some reviewers have mentioned. This is just one unit I tried but I didn't see looseness/rattling in it. We'll see how those buttons actually hold up after regular usage.
- I didn't test the camera. I will when they get the display models in. What's gonna beat the Lumia 1020 anyway?
- More to come....

Nice first impressions! Looking forward to more
Oh and when I read the title for a second I thought that you had gotten hold of a device called the "moto X mini" and I'm like holy crap is this real!? Lol and then I reread it again at then facepalmed.
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Haha, thanks for the kudos! I changed the title to disambiguate a bit. The Moto X is already "mini" :good:

I also went into the att store to look at the device. My thoughts:
One of the best feeling phones. It's amazing how small it is yet how much screen you get
The voice commands work well. In a loud ATT store, I just said okay google and i said it in a whisper and it picked it up.
the screen was not as good. I've had a droid dna for 9 months, i can tell a difference. The whites are more yellowish. The icons are good, the problem with going 1080p vs 720p is not the pictures, its the font. The font on the htc was customized better.
I coudln't try active notifications even though i have it on my phone through google play store. It's stupid to me that att or any other carrier puts some stupid video so the phone never turns off. When i turn off the phone and try to put it face down, i get some stupid moto x video and not the active notifcations. It really is super stupid. Nice job ATT.
Camera was okay. I did notice it was slightly washed but it was okay. when using it it, the tap to focus was not turned on by default yo uhave to go to settings and turn it on. after that, it focused better. The focus was relativaliey sharp and i just applied aftereffects to the phone and i was fine with the phone. I even compared it to the htc one and i wasn' tlike "oh wow the htc one is so much better"
Overall, i was dissapointed by the screen but very very very impressed with the build, size and body. It's very tempting.

Went and checked it out as well. Returned my OG Pro that I got a week ago and paid the extra $140 to cover the additional cost of the Moto X. The phone just feels right as corny as that sounds. I go through phones like no other, but this one has a good upside and feel.

I have a feeling that this phone will be one of those phones that everybody will crap on saying the HTC One or the S4 will be infinitely better without trying the phone out.
But as soon as they try it out they will change their tune and say it is a great phone and would be willing to trade their phone in for it.

Thanks for all the info, everyone. Just got a One a few weeks back so probably not in the upgrade market, but curious to see how this Device does. It's nice to see Google out there and focusing their efforts on non-nexus devices...the more access consumers have to this tech, the better. The active notifications sound really awesome, however, I can't stand the color rendering of the AMOLEDs. I know, I know, this has been said 1000x. But having spent much of my career assembling documents and presentation with a high level of graphic design attention, these AMOLEDs just kill to look at. The not-quite-white whites and super-saturated blues and greens just burn a hole in my soul. That said, still can't wait to get a hold of this thing and give it a run in the store. From what I can tell right now, this sounds like something I'd strongly consider upgrading to if I were in the market for a device.

jonnyg1097 said:
I have a feeling that this phone will be one of those phones that everybody will crap on saying the HTC One or the S4 will be infinitely better without trying the phone out.
But as soon as they try it out they will change their tune and say it is a great phone and would be willing to trade their phone in for it.
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I've got all three devices you mentioned... I think the Moto X is going back.

eallan said:
I've got all three devices you mentioned... I think the Moto X is going back.
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Why's that if you don't mind me asking? What is it about the other two that is more appealing than the Moto X?

The moto X screen is great and the whites are whiter than the S4. My favorite features are the notifications and the Motorola Connect, love it.
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Why's that if you don't mind me asking? What is it about the other two that is more appealing than the Moto X?
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I don't mind at all!
The phone is pretty good, but there are some things I like quite a lot more about the GPe One or GS4.
Both of them have better displays. The One's aluminum is terrific. Stock android is amazing.
I think the only thing I'll really miss, and I mean really, is the voice control. It's really awesome.
Here's a reddit thread of first impressions:
http://www.reddit.com/r/MotoX/comments/1kyzzi/bought_one_at_the_store_first_impressions/

love my Moto X
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eallan said:
I don't mind at all!
The phone is pretty good, but there are some things I like quite a lot more about the GPe One or GS4.
Both of them have better displays. The One's aluminum is terrific. Stock android is amazing.
I think the only thing I'll really miss, and I mean really, is the voice control. It's really awesome.
Here's a reddit thread of first impressions:
http://www.reddit.com/r/MotoX/comments/1kyzzi/bought_one_at_the_store_first_impressions/
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Oh you went with the google play models, now that changes everything! I can see how you like those more than this phone.

I had a Google play s4 and decided on the moto x. For me its the size of the device. Being able to handle it easier one handed feels a lot better than trying to juggle the s4. Both great phones though. Maybe the s4 will get pulled out of the drawer one day
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Moto X needs a 1080p screen and a better camera.

With the recent $100 off unlocked moto x promo, I was ready to ditch my HTC One. I've been using One since near first day of release and tried all kinds of ROMs including GoogleExperience edition. I ended up settling on HTCs developer edition ROM with OTA updates. I recently got a warranty replacement and this was a cherry picked replacement device from 12 devices in front of me. 10 had flaws such as gaps and creeks for both black and silver ones. Anyways my One is in near perfect condition so I was going to sell it and get the Moto X.
I ordered my 32GB unlocked for $350 so it was a good deal. First thing I noticed was how blurry the text was on the edges. This matters a lot for web surfing and being able to see a lot more without zooming in is really nice. I hold my phone about 16 inches away from my eyes.
When I opened google maps it became relevant that this is a lower resolution screen, but this may be a software problem, I don't know. I'm missing all the details. Compared to my One, it's like going back 5 years to Nexus S times.
Whoever says anything over 300dpi is undetectable is lieing or haven't tried comparing them or simply don't need that high resolution screen. I suspect those people who dont nees high res scrren will use 768p screen on a 15" laptop too.
720p on phone screen would be okay if you only play games and watch movies on it.
Then I tried the camera and pictures in my room this morning after a series of moto x software updates, and had so much graininess it's like it came from a toy cam. This a major let down to me because I use the camera a lot and I don't facebook/instagram.
Moto assist is pretty awesome and so is Active Display and always ready voice commands. Phone itself is pretty snappy even though it has a mid range cpu. Build quality is not top notch though better than HTC One.
I'm returning mine and will stick with HTC One until a higher res Moto X or similar comes out.

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I think you're insane. With the phone a foot and a half away from my face text is far from blurry and I have just about the keenest vision around.

Coming from a GS4 I couldn't tell that much of a difference in screen resolution. Is there a difference? Sure, but not enough for me to care about. I really don't understand the hate on the camera. Low light isn't the best but it wasn't that great on the gs4 either. And the GS4 is regarded as having one of the best cameras for a smartphone. The feel, smoothness and features on the moto x trumps all the jank HTC or Samsung offer imo.

I actually went from a Nexus 5 to a Moto X and I have no regrets. I don't notice the screen difference that much other than the comparisons between IPS and AMOLED display. As for the screen size, I prefer the Moto X because I can hold the phone easily in one hand compared to the Nexus 5 which felt like a flatbread. The Moto X has by far the best ergonomics for a phone to date. The camera for me versus the Nexus 5 is more of a "whatever." Both cameras have their hit and misses but that's coming from someone who uses full frame cameras. I'm not really pixel peeping the quality of the images from the Moto X nor did I with the Nexus 5.
You must remember that the Moto X wasn't made to be a phone for people who cares about specs. It was made for the common, average, user in mind. The Moto X impresses from it's features rather than it's spec sheet. Similar to Apple's iPhone.
Just my 2 cents.

The HTC One's camera is obviously going to be better, especially in low light/indoor situations, because of the ultra pixel technology.
Screen Resolution is always going to be debatable. Some people notice it, some people don't. I'd say the bigger cause of difference between the screens is that one is AMOLED (X) and one is LCD (One). In general, LCD screens are crisper but color reproduction isn't always as good, whereas AMOLED screens have much better color saturation but might appear less crisp in comparison.

Well have fun on the HTC One forums and let us enjoy our crappy screen. Ive put the same image and webpage next to each other on a galaxy s4 and moto x. Studies show Motorola pulled of a 30% more power efficient screen. At 6 oclock at night when Im still using my phone my girlfriends is dead in her purse

I disagree. I came from an s4 and other the moto x screen. Being non pentile makes a big difference to my eyes. The x looks sharper to me

jimmypop13 said:
I disagree. I came from an s4 and other the moto x screen. Being non pentile makes a big difference to my eyes. The x looks sharper to me
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Yeah, pentile AMOLED is far worse than non-pentile AMOLED.
I compared both the Samsung Galaxy S4 and the Moto X's screens and by far, the Moto X was much sharper.

If we can learn anything from this thread, I think it's clear that some people see the difference in the screen and some don't. It's silly to say "no, no difference, everyone that thinks there is is crazy" or "yes, of course there is a perceptible difference and if you can't see it, you're fools."
For me personally, I see the difference in text very readily. I moved from an S4 to the Moto X, and could immediately see the degradation in text quality. Now, do I care? No, because, while I can see the difference between the two, both resolutions are good enough for me.
As for the camera, I've been taking nothing but amazing shots, and I'm very happy. That said, I leave HDR on at all times.

Nope

HTC marketing shill detected.

hp79 said:
With the recent $100 off unlocked moto x promo, I was ready to ditch my HTC One. I've been using One since near first day of release and tried all kinds of ROMs including GoogleExperience edition. I ended up settling on HTCs developer edition ROM with OTA updates. I recently got a warranty replacement and this was a cherry picked replacement device from 12 devices in front of me. 10 had flaws such as gaps and creeks for both black and silver ones. Anyways my One is in near perfect condition so I was going to sell it and get the Moto X.
I ordered my 32GB unlocked for $350 so it was a good deal. First thing I noticed was how blurry the text was on the edges. This matters a lot for web surfing and being able to see a lot more without zooming in is really nice. I hold my phone about 16 inches away from my eyes.
When I opened google maps it became relevant that this is a lower resolution screen, but this may be a software problem, I don't know. I'm missing all the details. Compared to my One, it's like going back 5 years to Nexus S times.
Whoever says anything over 300dpi is undetectable is lieing or haven't tried comparing them or simply don't need that high resolution screen. I suspect those people who dont nees high res scrren will use 768p screen on a 15" laptop too.
720p on phone screen would be okay if you only play games and watch movies on it.
Then I tried the camera and pictures in my room this morning after a series of moto x software updates, and had so much graininess it's like it came from a toy cam. This a major let down to me because I use the camera a lot and I don't facebook/instagram.
Moto assist is pretty awesome and so is Active Display and always ready voice commands. Phone itself is pretty snappy even though it has a mid range cpu. Build quality is not top notch though better than HTC One.
I'm returning mine and will stick with HTC One until a higher res Moto X or similar comes out.
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What a troll....

For me the Moto X has been a welcome change from my S3. At the price it's truly realistic to go off-contract and save some money and still have a GREAT phone. Consistently 5 hours of screen on time and pretty much only recharging every other day compared with around 2 hours and less than a day on the S3. Really like the size and ergonomics; I think Motorola really hit the sweet spot here. Can still handle and use it with one hand and not feel visually cramped like that fruity phone. The near stock environment is also welcome. I can tell a slight difference in ~300dpi vs ~400dpi, but not huge and wouldn't trade that off for less battery life. When the fonts get that small, I'm switching to landscape orientation anyways. Camera wise it OK, but I don't look for much out of any mobile phone. It's for quick shots when I don't have something better with me (e.g. Sony RX100 with a sensor >7x larger). That said, I respect HTC for their camera approach trading off resolution for larger sensor photosites which end up being in the same range as something like the RX100. Build quality wise, the 3 Moto X's in our house were all perfect. Personally, I don't equate plastic with cheap. I equate quality plastic with a phone designed to take some drops and not dent or crack. A Rolex like feel (i.e. the fruity phone) makes for wonderful marketing, and sort of makes more sense if you're strapping it to your wrist (like a watch) and view it as something for the long haul that you're not replacing when your next 2 year subsidy comes up. Also appreciate that the Moto X has some level of repairability compared with the HTC One. Not as simple to replace a battery as the Samsung's, but still doable (ifixit teardowns).

At 16 inches away text would need to be really small for me to notice blurryness. to the point where i wouldn't be able to read it anyway.
I can see the differences in displays, but it's more than just resolutions (as already mentioned) pentiles have huge drawbacks.... but even in non pentile i think even the shape of the subpixels matter as well.
I think there's diminishing returns for anything much higher than 720p on a phone though (at least for non phablet phones)
It takes so much more power to light the pixes and GPU power to keep them running smoothly.

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The camera sucks.
There, I said it.
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Well, the cameras are a bit different. The HTC One takes better pictures when it decides to get them in focus. I don't know why, but with my HTC One, it felt like I needed a freaking tripod to not have a blurry shot.
With my X, I get a sharp shot mostly every single time.
When you've got to take a quick picture, I don't give a crap if every 5th one comes out looking great and sharp, I just need one picture that comes out clear and workable.
I did love my One though, but without the touchless and active notifications, it was a goner.

Yes the camera needs to be better when compared to other high-end phones.
and yes the screen would look less crisp next to a 1080p screen.
But how can you argue when its almost half the price of other phones?
Motorola obviously made a conscious decision to make the device way more affordable.
You can't complain about that

I honestly cannot tell the difference between my 720p Moto X and my 1080p Droid DNA. The only difference I can tell between the two are the more saturated colors on the Moto X. Other than that, they're both crystal clear and I cannot make out any pixels.
As for the camera, it has been serviceable for me. Haven't had any issues at all.

Moto X vs Z1c

Hey all I have owned a Moto X (republic wireless) for almost a year now. Just a great phone, can't say enough about it. But it does have a few niggling quirks that i'm wondering if the Z1c might solve. Plus I have to switch phones now since my sprint coverage is horrible since I moved.
So this is mainly a shout out to anyone who has owned or had the chance to test the two phones. My first issue with the Moto X is its camera, its okish but only that. I would love to get something that could consistently take good shots(a little tweaking is ok). The Moto X still has very extreme color shift from shot to shot even after its camera app updates. I took a couple pics of a sea craft the other day and the colors shifted from the smiley face yellow you see here to a very pale yellow in just a few seconds. Just annoying. So thoughts on the two cameras?
performance wise it does not really matter to me. The Z1c of course has the higher end tech, but both seem very smooth and have solid battery life. screen size is close enough and I prefer smaller to larger at this point. I don't game, so the GPU is not a big deal.
I do like having the SD card slot in the Z1c although I still have not put over 10 GB on my Moto X, so its not a huge deal. Still if the camera on the Z1c was adequate and could replace my PS that could change fast.
The Moto X(XT1053) does have all of Tmobile/AT&T bands covered while the Z1c is missing a major AT&T LTE (700) band. Thats a minor issue since I will be using the phone on Tmobile, or AT&T MVNOs which typically only have access to HSDPA+ anyways.
Price is very close on the two right now at about $400 each. The Moto X does seem to go on sale a lot though for around $300-$350.
So any thoughts/recommendations on the two phones? Anything I should know about the Z1c as far as issues/complaints? I have read about the flash bleed issue, but I don't mind replacing the back with glass, even though I would end up putting a carbon fiber skin case on it anyways.

1. If i had Moto X it would be long dead cause of water damage.
2. Z1C camera is actually really good if you figure out manual mode (see downsides) and with 64gig sd card you don't have to worry running out of space doing that awesome video.
3. I've never seen a phone with so good battery life as Z1C - my average is 3 days standby with 5 and ½ hours screen on. It actually feels good to see everybodys battery dead at the end of day but i still have over 65% left
4. Here in Estonia we have fairly good LTE coverage but i tend not to use it cause it drains way faster than 3G+ which is fast enought.
Downsides of Z1C.
You have to replace plastic back to fix flash bleed (only issue when doing photos in dark) and replace horrible ASF on front with tempered glass = no warranty
You need to find best Manual camera settings cause superior auto sometimes fails altho it does excellent photos too.
I don't have other issues honestly, i would get the Compact, well i did and it's the first phone ever i am totally satisfied with.
This summer Z3 Compact will be launched with Z2 feathures. Keep that in mind.
I've owned galaxy s4,s2, htc one and some weird LG phone that had buttons on the back.

I currently own both the Moto X on republic wireless and an unlocked Z1C. I agree with the above points about the photos and the battery life blows the Moto X out of the water. The only thing i miss from the moto x is the active display, i find myself picking up the Z1C without pushing the power button to see the time.

LG G5 vs LG G4

In this topic discuss about this 2 devices. Are you satisfied to see lg's new phone? How is new UI compare to G4? Does G5's modules worth?
If you ask me : The design of g5 simply awful than g4. Probably the build quality is better. New UI not bad at all. Only thing that i didn't like is that, there is no app drawer on G5. It is interesting to see mew modules on G5 but for me, i don't need to use them.

Hands-on videos made me change idea about this new G5:
It seems to be a very good phone and the new UI is quite fashinating to me
(But launcher icons are ugly, ahah :silly
I don't appriciate new design (the front), but that would be confortable to use, IMHO

Think they should have stuck to 5.5 inch but guess their thinking is 5.3 inch phone is nearer size of most of the flagship phone competition, so in theory more likely to sell more units. Whether in reality that's the situation only time will tell

The smaller display means no G5 for me....5.5in is the smallest display I will go for these days.
I'm going to see what the S7 Edge looks like (on paper and in-hand)...the rumoured 5.7in screen with the curves might feel like a 5.5in device without the curves. The battery and waterproofing I'm hearing about has me interested in this product, and the Note 5 has much better outdoor brightness so I'm hoping that will carry forward to the S7 series.
If the S7 Edge does not do it for me ergonomically, then I'll see what the V11/Note 6 has to offer later this year, or if I get impatient maybe the Nexus 6P (but the 6P might not be much of an upgrade for me over the G4).

Personally,im not very impressed with the new G5.

I'll wait for the g6

Also waiting for the G6. Or the new nexus, we'll see how it compares.

Most likely, bootloader unlock will be impossible, so for me it's a no go (but that's subject to change if development takes off)
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Can't see many people buying modules. After all your gonna need to take case off of you want to use them, and how many people are going to want to risk dropping their brand new phone without a case on. I just can't see it taking off anyhow, don't see that's whatwhat the majority of people want from a phone.
And the metal premium body looks pain ugly imo. May have well stuck with plastic/leather.

Spaceboy60 said:
Think they should have stuck to 5.5 inch but guess their thinking is 5.3 inch phone is nearer size of most of the flagship phone competition, so in theory more likely to sell more units. Whether in reality that's the situation only time will tell
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Sure, they should've used 5.5" screen, but that raises one important question: How big do you think the G5 would be if they used 5.5"? I look at it this way, G2 had 5.2" and one of the best screen-to-body ratios ever. Now the G5 has 5.3" screen while at the same time being taller than the G4 and having a smaller battery... Not impressed at all . They are fishing in the dark, experimenting too much and instead of focusing on the important stuff (soc, screen, camera, battery, design), they introduce some gimmicky "friends" whom practically nobody will use as they will probbably cost 50% of the price of G5. I'm a bit dissapointed...

Spaceboy60 said:
Can't see many people buying modules. After all your gonna need to take case off of you want to use them, and how many people are going to want to risk dropping their brand new phone without a case on. I just can't see it taking off anyhow, don't see that's whatwhat the majority of people want from a phone.
And the metal premium body looks pain ugly imo. May have well stuck with plastic/leather.
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Well, I'd be the first to get a module for a bigger battery. And you can't see people using it? Yeah I mean, it's that much better that we basically get clone after clone of the S6 or 6S that are just sealed off and "premium". LG is literally the only company that is actually trying to innovate stuff and do something different. I watched the S7 conference and it was like watching any Apple press conference ever. A lot of fancy words with a lot of bull**** behind it. As for the case, I've had an iPhone 4, iPhone 5, G3 and now a G4 and I have yet to put a case on any of my phones. And no, they don't look like they've been trough hell and back.
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Sure, they should've used 5.5" screen, but that raises one important question: How big do you think the G5 would be if they used 5.5"? I look at it this way, G2 had 5.2" and one of the best screen-to-body ratios ever. Now the G5 has 5.3" screen while at the same time being taller than the G4 and having a smaller battery... Not impressed at all . They are fishing in the dark, experimenting too much and instead of focusing on the important stuff (soc, screen, camera, battery, design), they introduce some gimmicky "friends" whom practically nobody will use as they will probbably cost 50% of the price of G5. I'm a bit dissapointed...
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That is true, the screen to body ratio just gets worse. And how didn't they focus on the important stuff? You have a brighter screen, the 820 SOC, a better camera (or at least equivalent to the V10/G4), a premium metal design (looks nice to me). The only thing that sucks is the smaller battery, but then again, maybe the 820 will compensate for it with better efficiency? Who knows, we'll see.

Feature wise it's alright. No worse than my current G4 (didn't use QSlide or, really, any of the LG additions), but the smaller screen, lack of an app drawer (which, I know, can be compensated for with a 3rd party launcher; then again I would've wanted to give the stock launcher a go), and, most of all, a hideous design are the reasons why I would not get the G5 (moreover, I own the G4 for just under five months). Wonder what they come up with next, but if I had to make the switch now, it most likely would not be a G5.

Small battery, no back buttons, small screen, hideous bulge at the back, friends without benefits , nice idea with modular build but afraid to see "my modular hole entry display broken" like comments......
No go for me. Waiting for next year. Except the SD 820 nothing worth spending so much money.

We have to add a bigger space and pay for Bang & Olufsen module to have a good quality sound ? We don't have to do this with other devices like Meizu or HTC or others devices, Stoopid LG...

G2 and g3 was small diference and no need to upgrade from g2 to g3, g2 to g4 yes, same as g4 to g5 - NO g4 to g6 - yes , simple

I'm done with LG after the G4 because of its issues, mostly the bootloop.
If I wasn't, LG lost me at a smaller screen, smaller battery, and removing the buttons from the back.

Everything was going great until I realized that I need to turn off the phone, remove the battery and turn it on again if I want to listen to music using a 3.5mm headset.

Not that pretty (camera protrusion?), but a metal body is nice.
Size - not a big deal to me, as I use both the G4 and V10 and don't seem to have a preference in terms of size
Camera - interesting having two rear cameras, thou I doubt I would care. The dual fronts on the V10 are actually somewhat useful (group vs single selfies)
No volume button on the back, that I don't like so much
Module addons? Another meh for me, personally. Replaceable battery is good.
UI? meh. I use google now anyhoo. the G4 and V10's uis are ok, though.
I'd take one if it were free, maybe. Dunno If I would upgrade to one, though.

wiidbzxt said:
Everything was going great until I realized that I need to turn off the phone, remove the battery and turn it on again if I want to listen to music using a 3.5mm headset.
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What?

KarlDag said:
What?
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My mistake, for a moment, I thought that the top-mounted 3.5mm jack was just the IR blaster.

Upgrade from G4, but to what?

So due to some problems with the quality (bootloop, severe ghosting, etc.) I got refunded,
now the thing is I really loved this phone, the camera was amazing, the screen was crisp and the device looked and felt premium.
What I am most worried about is I don't seem to see a phablet that definitely is an upgrade in terms of camera quality.
The Note 7 first scratches and then explodes, the iPhone 7 Plus 128gb costs 1009 Euro in Europe and besides those two I don't really know any 5,5 inch or bigger that definitely beat the G4 in cam quality
Any suggestions? Anyone upgraded from the G4? If yes, to what? How does the cam compare?

ruzkay said:
So due to some problems with the quality (bootloop, severe ghosting, etc.) I got refunded,
now the thing is I really loved this phone, the camera was amazing, the screen was crisp and the device looked and felt premium.
What I am most worried about is I don't seem to see a phablet that definitely is an upgrade in terms of camera quality.
The Note 7 first scratches and then explodes, the iPhone 7 Plus 128gb costs 1009 Euro in Europe and besides those two I don't really know any 5,5 inch or bigger that definitely beat the G4 in cam quality
Any suggestions? Anyone upgraded from the G4? If yes, to what? How does the cam compare?
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G5 seems to tick all the boxes on your check list.
-Great Camera
-Great Screen
-Metallic,slim and premium
Though a number of short coming too. Actually I read that LG were pretty disappointed with the sales they have so far registered.
Personally would go for Nexus 6p or wait for LG V20

I'd recommend Oneplus 3. Had it for a day now and don't think I'll use my G4 anymore.
Bought my 1+3 it at the same time as I sent my G4 to warranty repair, it was rooted and bootloader unlocked etc.
Still got it repaired for free. (replaced motherboard) But no G4 for me anymore, guess I'll keep it as a spare.

topcatti360 said:
I'd recommend Oneplus 3. Had it for a day now and don't think I'll use my G4 anymore.
Bought my 1+3 it at the same time as I sent my G4 to warranty repair, it was rooted and bootloader unlocked etc.
Still got it repaired for free. (replaced motherboard) But no G4 for me anymore, guess I'll keep it as a spare.
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How is the camera performance compared to the G4
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How is the camera performance compared to the G4
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Haven't had the time to try too much, but the few shots I have taken on auto settings, look great. It has a manual mode too, but it hasn't got so many settings as the G4.

I will try to switch to sammy, after doing the g2/g3/g4. Sever ghosting and poor battery....S7 edge has it all, great battery, great camera, beautiful design, water and dust proof....

What about the Axon 7?

Get the samsung galaxy note 4 i know its old but has qhd and removable battery and sd card and has a lot of roms

Note 7 has a nice overall size... Overpriced iphone territory , but with the rep it is currently getting, a price drop will be right around the corner since fire hazard doesn't scream flagship lol

I d prefer S6 EDGE.

xiaomi 3s 4000mah battery and im ok...

I think the V20 would be a very good replacement for the G4.
Very good hardware and specs for the price you have to pay.

Thanks for the suggestions guys, V20 is not available in my country yet and I don't know if it will be but it is interesting. Note 7 seems to not be liked at airlines so I would avoid that. I am thinking about the Oneplus 3.
What worries me the most is that I wouldnt really like a downgrade in the camera department. G4 made great shots even when it was a bit dark!

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Thanks for the suggestions guys, V20 is not available in my country yet and I don't know if it will be but it is interesting. Note 7 seems to not be liked at airlines so I would avoid that. I am thinking about the Oneplus 3.
What worries me the most is that I wouldnt really like a downgrade in the camera department. G4 made great shots even when it was a bit dark!
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One plus three takes good shots overall. In my opinion the camera was the weakest point of the 1+3. Software and XDA support is amazing. And the price point is almost unbeatable for the specs you receive.
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I had G4 H815. Than the radio died and I've sent it for repair. It took them about two months to repair it. In the meantime I was looking for a replacement. The OnePlus 3 was the first thought, but the camera shots are nowhere near G4 in my opinion. It had AMOLED screen which bleeds my eyes with saturation . Samsung also uses their AMOLED screens which I don't like at all, but the camera is comparable. Nexus 6P is also amazing phone, maybe the best replacement for G4 regarding camera and premium feel. Also other Huawei flagship phones.
I ended up returning to my beloved G4 as nothing compares to leather, 5.5" IPS screen and great camera.
I'm waiting for a Pixel, but I'm a bit concerned that it would be with AMOLED screen also

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I will try to switch to sammy, after doing the g2/g3/g4. Sever ghosting and poor battery....S7 edge has it all, great battery, great camera, beautiful design, water and dust proof....
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Well I did switch to s7 edge. Build quality is from another world (tho I bought spigen case, just as for all the lg series I owned) screen is something you need to experience yourself. And it's the first phone I dont feel the need to root! Yesterday with 3hrs20min Sot I still had battery left 40%! You can't beat that, actually you can't beat any of the sammy features! G4 photos still look better but the autofocus of s7 is a unbelievable fast! I feelt in love with lg2 back then after owning s4 and they ruined it! Such a shame

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One plus three takes good shots overall. In my opinion the camera was the weakest point of the 1+3.
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Exactly, in good light the +3 camera is competitive with the best out there but once light starts to get low, the +3 won't compete with the G4.The 6P is better than the +3 camera. But i still give the edge to the G4 over the 6P.
This isn't surprising when its built to such a tight budget. +3 is for people that are not too serious about camera. About price, performance. 3rd party support.
Oh and there is no microsd on the +3 either.
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What worries me the most is that I wouldnt really like a downgrade in the camera department. G4 made great shots even when it was a bit dark!
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6P is the closest you can get. But you can't take too many shots one after the other. If you can consider the 6P then i don't see why the s7e or s7 cannot be an options .better cameras than the 6P. Te downside is because they use 12MP 4:3 sensor for some strange reason, if you want 16:9 aspect your resolution drops to 9MP. That will lose in some cases to native 16:9 16MP on the LG's.
The edge variant has the option for clip on lenses. The advantage here is you get wide angle or 2x zoom AND retain OIS with the f1.7 aperture. Something neither LG nor apple can do with their secondary cameras but then you don't have to carry extra lenses.
If i was in your shoes and maybe i will be one day, my options are another G4 for less than i paid the first time (such a unique phone in so many ways) or the G6. There will never be another phone like the G4, tapering edges, slight curve, good feel in the hand, leather etc.
The G6 i expect will get the sensor upgrade. G4, V10, G5, V20, g flex 3? all use the same sensor. The software has improved but the sensor remains the same. This is how LG does things. It was the same with G2 up to G flex 2.