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Is there FINALLY a Gamepad available for Nexus One?

Hi all,
there are many great old school emulators on Android and i would like to test them out. But playing on the Nexus with soft joypad is horrible, especially for action games.
Is there any gamepad availabe for the nexus which can be docked to the device? There was something like this for the Milestone and other slider devices, but i can't believe that no manufacturer created something which can be used for devices without slider.
I also know that you can hook up your wiimote with the nexus via bluetooth, but thats complete nonsense for me: where should i put my nexus one when holding the wiimote?! On a table? Thats not a real solution.
So can anybody tell me if something like this is available by now? I don't want to buy the PSP Phone for this....

I may be producing one for keyboardless phones.
Its not a gamepad as such, but its a little bit of a work around.
I just need to make sure there's enough interest from people out there.

Forge94 said:
I may be producing one for keyboardless phones.
Its not a gamepad as such, but its a little bit of a work around.
I just need to make sure there's enough interest from people out there.
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everything would be fine for me, as long as you will be able to hold the nexus one (the wiimote solution makes no sense) when you play. And there should be separate hardware buttons, because thats the whole point.

The idea is more of an external keyboard with a game buttons overlay.
The keyboard will be attatched to a protective case which you'll be able to put your phone in and take it out whenever you like.
So yes, you won't need to sit the phone on a table or use the on screen buttons. And the keyboard is the size of the phone, but putting the phone in the case will double the phones thickness. Is that much of an issue for you?
I'm testing out some variables now and hopefully should have a finished product in the coming weeks.

You can use a wiimote over bluetooth, I'm sure there are other bluetooth gamepads... Google is your friend.

Bringing what I miss most of my g1 to my n1? Sign me up.
Forge94 said:
The idea is more of an external keyboard with a game buttons overlay.
The keyboard will be attatched to a protective case which you'll be able to put your phone in and take it out whenever you like.
So yes, you won't need to sit the phone on a table or use the on screen buttons. And the keyboard is the size of the phone, but putting the phone in the case will double the phones thickness. Is that much of an issue for you?
I'm testing out some variables now and hopefully should have a finished product in the coming weeks.
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deprecate said:
Bringing what I miss most of my g1 to my n1? Sign me up.
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Up to how much do you reckon you would pay for one?
Pairing would be via Bluetooth if you're wondering.

Look into the BGP 100 gamepad. You can pair it to your N1 using a piece of software called MMG gamepro.

negroplasty said:
You can use a wiimote over bluetooth, I'm sure there are other bluetooth gamepads... Google is your friend.
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Yup I use this too! Great for NES emulators, but yeah not enough button for other consoles.
Bubble Bobble and playing Contra bring me back ^_^

Sounds perfect to me. Where can I order one?
Forge94 said:
The idea is more of an external keyboard with a game buttons overlay.
The keyboard will be attatched to a protective case which you'll be able to put your phone in and take it out whenever you like.
So yes, you won't need to sit the phone on a table or use the on screen buttons. And the keyboard is the size of the phone, but putting the phone in the case will double the phones thickness. Is that much of an issue for you?
I'm testing out some variables now and hopefully should have a finished product in the coming weeks.
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I know. But the wiimote solution is a bad joke.
negroplasty said:
You can use a wiimote over bluetooth, I'm sure there are other bluetooth gamepads... Google is your friend.
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Shahpur.Azizpour said:
Sounds perfect to me. Where can I order one?
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Not available yet, still under development.

how does the wiimote solution make no sense? If you've got a classic controller and a wiimote, you've got yourself a wireless controller to your SNES/NES/Genesis. The wiimote soultion is the best, and only solution at this point.

bjonesy77 said:
how does the wiimote solution make no sense? If you've got a classic controller and a wiimote, you've got yourself a wireless controller to your SNES/NES/Genesis. The wiimote soultion is the best, and only solution at this point.
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um...the nexus one is supposed to be a "handheld" device. There is no sense at all to use a wiimote, and then have to put the nexus one on a table or something to play. It does'nt get more uncomfortable than that.
Can you imagine using this approach on the go?

miker2431 said:
Look into the BGP 100 gamepad. You can pair it to your N1 using a piece of software called MMG gamepro.
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That doesn't look bad. But it seems like this pad is hard to find...and pretty old. i don't know if it will work with the nexus one.
I really like the concept though. Only thing i don't like is the fact that you can't play in landscape mode, as the controller only holds the devices in potrait mode...

~$25
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/msi-bgp100-bluetooth-gamepad-1-aaa-battery-included-13760
Landscape would be an issue, but I think you'd find that on any gamepad/holder you come across. Perhaps you can take the thing apart and make your own casing. I'm thinking a combination of a 2x4 and a coat hanger + some foam pads + duct tape.
Yeehaw.
I wonder if any 3rd party Wii controllers have an "All-In-One" solution. Having a Wiimote hanging off of your Wrist via wriststrap while grasping the classic controller is hell. You would think that some smart 3rd party designer would simply mix the wiimote inside a classic controller and be done with it.
[Update 1]
Looks like this is an AIO solution: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hd-bw5UxxsA
Googled: Wireless Classic Controller
Some use a little nub to communicate to the WiiMote but this looks to communicate with the Wii Directly.
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Yea I think I am right. This Controller has bluetooth built in so it eliminates the use of a Wiimote in the middle. It works by using android software from the market, perhaps the same one we're used to with the Wiimotes
Here is a review:
http://androidforums.com/android-games/89229-datel-wii-wireless-retro-controller-works.html
Here is the link to buy. Only $39
http://us.codejunkies.com/Products/Wii-Wireless-Retro-Controller___EF000622.aspx
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I have that Datel one, it's absolutely perfect. Cost me around £15-17. They're getting harder to track down for a fair price lately, so if you have the opportunity to buy one, do it!
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Shahpur.Azizpour said:
I know. But the wiimote solution is a bad joke.
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I thought it was quite ingenious and worked pretty well.
I've also got a mini USB bluetooth keyboard that is roughly the same size of the N1 that I can use. I got it from some site in China, (EDIT: here) but it's one of these things:
http://www.adapt-mobile.com/multimedia/product/view/adapt_adk_100_micro_keyboard
The same thing is available under lots of different rebranded labels. It works pretty well though.

knightnz said:
I thought it was quite ingenious and worked pretty well.
I've also got a mini USB bluetooth keyboard that is roughly the same size of the N1 that I can use. I got it from some site in China, (EDIT: here) but it's one of these things:
http://www.adapt-mobile.com/multimedia/product/view/adapt_adk_100_micro_keyboard
The same thing is available under lots of different rebranded labels. It works pretty well though.
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Thats actually pretty cool. I guess it would work well for some games. I kinda like the idea of having a DPAD though. I could see the keyboard getting use out of things like a USB or a Bluetooth media streamer like a Boxee (if it has bluetooth, I dunno).
I think when I grab some dough I'll pick up one of the $40 gamepads. I don't mind having to put the screen on a table or something. I love to play old school games and I travel alot. So as long as I can play and play with ease.

Shahpur.Azizpour said:
um...the nexus one is supposed to be a "handheld" device. There is no sense at all to use a wiimote, and then have to put the nexus one on a table or something to play. It does'nt get more uncomfortable than that.
Can you imagine using this approach on the go?
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There isn't really an elegant solution with any existing Bluetooth gamepads simply because Bluetooth doesn't require a physical connection between devices, and manufacturers are of the opinion that there isn't much demand for gamepad docks for Android and iPhone. Not only that, but most games also assume you'll be using touch controls, so you're limited mostly to emulators and smaller third party developers for support for extended input methods from Bluetooth gamepads.
For now if you need a way to combine the phone and gamepad so that they operate as a single handheld unit, you can feel free to modify them, such as can be seen in this video. Kinda sucks to ruin a Wii remote like that, but there are probably other ways to do it with some velcro and Sugru that won't destroy a perfectly good controller.

still worth?

Hello guys
my first android was a Motorola Atrix, then a Atrix 2, now i have the samsung Galaxy S duos, but i saw the Xperia play with friend(for the first time) and i loved play with him.
i want to buy a new one, my Galaxy is more expensive than a Xperia play so i can "change" and doesnt waste nothing, but i want to know if it has problems or i can buy without hesitating.
so it have problems like... my earlyer Atrix have a fingerprint reader but with ICS it have issues...
thanks

mucego said:
Hello guys
my first android was a Motorola Atrix, then a Atrix 2, now i have the samsung Galaxy S duos, but i saw the Xperia play with friend(for the first time) and i loved play with him.
i want to buy a new one, my Galaxy is more expensive than a Xperia play so i can "change" and doesnt waste nothing, but i want to know if it has problems or i can buy without hesitating.
so it have problems like... my earlyer Atrix have a fingerprint reader but with ICS it have issues...
thanks
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I would recommend getting a more powerful phone and using a bluetooth controller. The play is really outdated now IMHO.

chick3n564 said:
I would recommend getting a more powerful phone and using a bluetooth controller. The play is really outdated now IMHO.
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I'd probably do this aswell
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Right now it's not a smart choice. Yes, its gamepad it's a gem to play anywhere but its official rom it's outdated and has some limitations about RAM and internal memory.
If you want to sort these limitations you will have to take some time installing a custom rom and tuning the configuration so, imho, if you don't mind about try some custom roms and you can find it cheap then go ahead, otherwise look for a more logical choice.

Since there is absolutely, positively not a single Bluetooth gamepad on this planet with as much software support as Xperia Play has, it's still the best choice for gamers.
There's a lotta better specs out there, but with so little necessitating all that power, their best use is for... well... **** measuring. Xperia Play handles things just fine with what it has regardless of whether it's old or new. Doesn't legally get 4.x.x, but since this is not iOS, we have many app supplements that net us 4.x.x features...and we get that extraordinary stability/software support that was compromised by newer FWs.
Honestly, I don't know the first thing about tweaks, yet my YouTube is constantly blown up with questions about what I do to make my Xperia Play so smooth. All I've ever been doing is running a debloated stock ROM to get iPhone-tier fluidity...and with link2sd, the onboard storage complaint even becomes invalid.
Only thing I wouldn't recommend is using a contract upgrade on a phone that's so low-cost... and that's just 'cause there's more strategic ways to work the system.
The Xperia Play is; however, still a good phone.
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tbh, if you can put up with a few fps drops here and there on heavy 3d games (e.g. modern combat, wild blood, dark knight rises, gta etc) and also play them at low settings then its a good gaming phone. Yes the hardware is outdated but if you get a custom ROM and then overclock your phone then it should be alright.

Honestly the phone feel fairly smooth using stock or NXT rom. If you use a light rom or debloat it, it feel smooth overall. It only slow down once you install custom ICS or JB roms.
The one thing I miss is can't do is play high bitrates HD movies like newer phones. Also having to stay on GB you get the speed, but miss out ICS features and apps that aren't compatible with GB.
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mucego said:
Hello guys
my first android was a Motorola Atrix, then a Atrix 2, now i have the samsung Galaxy S duos, but i saw the Xperia play with friend(for the first time) and i loved play with him.
i want to buy a new one, my Galaxy is more expensive than a Xperia play so i can "change" and doesnt waste nothing, but i want to know if it has problems or i can buy without hesitating.
so it have problems like... my earlyer Atrix have a fingerprint reader but with ICS it have issues...
thanks
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Check this thread and post No.5

TLRtheory said:
Since there is absolutely, positively not a single Bluetooth gamepad on this planet with as much software support as Xperia Play has, it's still the best choice for gamers.
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Not to be a **** or anything, but I'm gonna have to disagree with you on that one. The MOGA in my opinion is starting to gain a ton of support from developers and the hardware itself works very well. When you couple this with the MOGA universal IME app, it gains all the capabilities of the ps3 controller. I love my Play, but I will take my GSIII and MOGA over the Play when playing Dead Trigger any day.
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LegionTHEFecalExcretion said:
Not to be a **** or anything, but I'm gonna have to disagree with you on that one. The MOGA in my opinion is starting to gain a ton of support from developers and the hardware itself works very well. When you couple this with the MOGA universal IME app, it gains all the capabilities of the ps3 controller. I love my Play, but I will take my GSIII and MOGA over the Play when playing Dead Trigger any day.
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I disagree with that. We were sent a couple of MOGA's to use/review with are Xperia S, T and V but find for portable gaming it just does not work as good as you would want.
To start with the connection takes along time to kick in and then disconnects time to time during game play (Normally with Gameloft games). Having the MOGA app always running in the background gives the system more to process which cause's lag in games, they also seam to have a mined of their own (Keep moving in the same direction after you let go and are very inaccurate overall). The controller is not supported as a generic HID device meaning you need a 3rd party app and root to be able to play emulators and Non MOGA support games.
The other issues are to do with the physical form. The weight when the controller holds a phone is unevenly distributed (The phone weights a lot more then the controller meaning its top heavy (Not great for long periods of gaming), that's why there is a lip on the back of the controller to prop it all up. The sticks are stiff with no grip (Easy grip fix, take the foam pads out so they cup round your finger) and are useless for any FPS (Try out online multiplayer MC4, Nova 3). The lack of buttons (No d-pad, No L2, R2) and plus the fact you need AAA battery's to power it (Not ideal).
I could go on and on but Moga is no competition for the Xperia Play (purpose built for gaming, not an add-on) . If on public transport and want to play a quick game, its much better to slide the play open and play compared to getting the MOGA out of your bag or pocket, turn on bluetooth, clip in phone, wait for moga to connect to device and so on.
The list of games are on the increase but still only around 40 compared to the 400 on the Xperia Play. Its a novel way to play games at the moment and that's why some game developers are supporting it. But cant see this being a long time thing.

IMO ps3 pad with gameklip is the best setup maybe not so portable but for actually gaming its better than the xperia play
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Wow, I honestly think that you both got a bad unit and haven't spent much time with it since launch.
First of all, in regards to the game selection, its true if you only use the company provided Pivot app, it only supports around 50 games. But what you are forgetting/ignoring is the MOGA universal driver app that makes it work as a standard HID controller just like the ps3 that allows it to play ANY game that works with HID contollers plus act as an ime that can emulate PLAY controls. There is not a single Play game that I cannot play without controls on my SGS III. Not a single one. This includes emulators. I can even use gamekeyboard if I wanted. I like my play too, but you are just ignoring the facts here.
Second, the connection honestly takes around 2-3 seconds for me and I have NEVER had a disconnect, not once. I have run quadrant with the pivot app and without and have seen no noticable difference, and it is the same with gameplay. I have one of the heaviest devices available and it does not seem top heavy at all. I think the comment people make about the sticks being stick is due to the fact that it is a smaller controller than normal so of course the sticks would have less travel area, it is just a matter of getting used to it just like it was with the Play touchpads. I have played several FPS's with the pad, MC4, Dead Trigger, Shadowgun, ETC, and have actually been impressed at the sensitivity and ease of use.
The argument that it is a pain to carry around is I think a weak one as it easily fits into any coat pocket and is smaller than some android phones Ive owned. I have used it daily for weeks now.
Again, I can play every Play game out there, so I feel like I my gaming experience just got way better. I also got a laugh of you calling it a novelty that wont catch on, thats what they said about the Play too.
Anyways, just a few thoughts, no offense meant my friend.
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ILikeTheWayYouMove2 said:
IMO ps3 pad with gameklip is the best setup maybe not so portable but for actually gaming its better than the xperia play
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Agreed, ever since the MOGA got ps3 controller capability, I was in heaven.

LegionTHEFecalExcretion said:
Not to be a **** or anything, but I'm gonna have to disagree with you on that one. The MOGA in my opinion is starting to gain a ton of support from developers and the hardware itself works very well. When you couple this with the MOGA universal IME app, it gains all the capabilities of the ps3 controller. I love my Play, but I will take my GSIII and MOGA over the Play when playing Dead Trigger any day.
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I actually got my father a MOGA to go along with the EVO 3D I got him... and I'd actually even agree that it's support is far above and beyond the rest of those BT controllers... and I hope to see it get even more support because I'll likely get one for myself come January when my upgrade is available... but at the time being, not even the universal IME app brings it anywhere near being even a fourth of what the Xperia Play is.
From personal experience, I can vouch for the statement that it does greatly expand what it can be done outside of the pivot app, but it doesn't have all the specialized support Xperia Play has from having hardware menu navigation and all the precision of games tweaked to work especially with it's hardware, which results in cases like a *generic-converted* Eternal Legacy requiring an incredibly awkward form of still having to mostly use the touch-screen. While I didn't particularly find it as uncomfortable as poo-tang, the clip didn't really seem like it was designed to accomodate any kind of phone that has decent protection... meaning that my father was put in an awkward position where he'd either lose the convenience of his MOGA clip, or lose the protection of his EVO's ballistic case... this is particularly frustrating because I can use all the high-end protection that I want without sacrificing. Then the actual pivot app itself and the games involved don't seem entirely foolproof without all the tweaking options Xperia Play's given... NOVA 3, for example, has more natural feeling aiming... and all that aside, it's missing a major method of locomotion control by lacking that d-pad (which is a huge deal for precise input in 2D games). On a lesser note, I was quite shocked to find that it uses AAA batteries as opposed to having a rechargeable lithium like iControlPad does.
I do like the MOGA a lot more than other solutions because - honestly - even with all the minuses, there's still no other option on the market that allows well-done controls outside of just emulating tons of old content. Any cheap piece of plastic can emulate nowadays but the Xperia Play brought something truly special where we could play present-gen games like Wild Blood with physical controls, and the MOGA's actually picking up a lot of support for that audience with striking momentum. For that I give the MOGA credit above the iControlPad, Gametel, 60Beat, Red Samurai, Nyko Playpad and all others... but it's got a looooooong way to go before it's up there with Xperia Play... and with the ever-lasting hardware limitation (plus the burden of pairing per every game session), it may not even be possible that the MOGA can ever be up there with Xperia Play.

I will definitely agree that the lack of a true dpad is a disadvantage. There is a larger edition coming out later that has one built in, but its bigger which is both good and bad, but at least theres a choice I guess.
One thing that has actually made it not bad at all for me is the analog stick is very sensitive so as soon as there is any movement at all to either the left or right axis it registers immediately, something Metal Slug on my phone can attest to. I am not just saying this, platformers have not been an issue at all. What kind of case does your father use? I am using the shell/holster combo case and have not had it have problems.
I have never been a fan of shooters on the play, touch pad was always a frustrating experience at best and a nightmare at worse, at least for fps's. Twin Stick shooter kick ass on the play.
You mention a "everlasting hardware limitation" could you elaborate? Wouldn't the same apply to any game console, even the play? In other words, you can't upgrade hardware with an ota, which I know you know Im just illustrating my point.
Pushing the power button and then opening the pivot/universal ime app is a bit less seamless than sliding out the gamepad but I don't think it takes away from the experience. I have the whole process down to about 5 seconds before I pick my game.

The Xperia Z/ZL supports the DualShock 3 natively via OTG! Time to change my XP. :D

I might be a little late to the party, but I read this yesterday and really liked what I saw. Turns out that the new Xperia Z & ZL support the PS3 controller without needing to root!
What I'm wondering though is if the Xperia Play support carries over to DualShock, in other words, if all XPO games work with the Xperia Z/ZL this way. If this is the case, I'm sold!
What do yo guys think? Here are some videos:

Jotamide said:
...if all XPO games work...
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That's what I'm wondering about...
...we can get a controller anywhere, but MOGA, iControlPad, PlayPad and all the rest SUCK HOT ASS compared to the sheer amount of quality hits Xperia Play has under it's belt.

Jotamide said:
I might be a little late to the party, but I read this yesterday and really liked what I saw. Turns out that the new Xperia Z & ZL support the PS3 controller without needing to root!
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There have been other phones that people have gotten native OTG working on. In the end, it hasn't really been worth it because the 5v required to run the controller are an absolute battery killer. Some people on the Nexus 7 forums figured out a way to charge their device whilst using OTG by plugging the charger and the controller into a mini USB hub, and then plugging the hub into the device itself. A custom kernel had to be written to make it work though.
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It would be better just to root the device and then connect a wireless ps3 controller to it, which is what most people do. Unless you're against rooting or something, I don't know why you would be though.
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If that phone supports USB game controllers out of the box, then it will also allow flash drives being plugged into it. Being able to carry around large files or movies with you on a thumb drive is terrific, it allows you to save a ton of space on the actual device itself. Neat.

It would be recognized as a native gamepad though not an xPlay, therefore some games with only xPlay controls and no android gamepad detection would not recognize the pad.
One example is PES 2012.
I can do this with my S3 (not natively though)

Jotamide said:
I might be a little late to the party, but I read this yesterday and really liked what I saw. Turns out that the new Xperia Z & ZL support the PS3 controller without needing to root!
What I'm wondering though is if the Xperia Play support carries over to DualShock, in other words, if all XPO games work with the Xperia Z/ZL this way. If this is the case, I'm sold!
What do yo guys think? Here are some videos:
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This nice video (lol by our new project site coming soon) but wait before you buy the Z. The SP has something better up its sleeve (Native Wireless PS3 pad connection) just like the Sony tabs the device now pairs the controller via Bluetooth (without root) . This new software we hope should roll out to Z in a future update but for now we have only seen it on the Xperia SP.
BTW Xperia Play games don't work this way so won't be interchangeable. These new games are HID (Native Android built in virtual controller/mouse) supported (only available on Android 3.1 and up) Xperia Play uses Sony framework only. The games are coded for one or another (sometimes both if developer has added support for both)
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poo-tang said:
This nice video (lol by our new project site coming soon) but wait before you buy the Z. The SP has something better up its sleeve (Native Wireless PS3 pad connection) just like the Sony tabs the device now pairs the controller via Bluetooth (without root) . This new software we hope should roll out to Z in a future update but for now we have only seen it on the Xperia SP.
BTW Xperia Play games don't work this way so won't be interchangeable. These new games are HID (Native Android built in virtual controller/mouse) supported (only available on Android 3.1 and up) Xperia Play uses Sony framework only. The games are coded for one or another (sometimes both if developer has added support for both)
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Thanks for clearing this up! Damn Sony, get your act together. Hopefully more and more XPO games work on the newer Xperia phones this way.

Jotamide said:
Thanks for clearing this up! Damn Sony, get your act together. Hopefully more and more XPO games work on the newer Xperia phones this way.
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Hey RomAur 2.3 installed on my Xperia Z...
But under Setting/Xperia DualShock Controller does not appear.. Please help..

I know we have videos and poo-tang's stuff is always gold, thought I would still share this though.
http://www.engadget.com/2013/04/08/dualshock-3-xperia-sp/

I just read about this feature on the Xperia SP today. I'm super-excited! As much as I love my Xperia Play as a mobile emulation device, it is getting rather long in the tooth. I'm also tired of fighting with it every day to keep some free space available. Something like the Xperia Z is looking like a mighty fine successor (in lieu of an actual Play successor that I'd much rather have). So hopefully Sony won't wait too long before rolling this out to their other devices because this is a long-overdue killer feature.
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Also here's the original article referenced from Xperia Blog:
http://www.xperiablog.net/2013/04/0...d&utm_campaign=Feed:+XperiaBlog+(Xperia+Blog)

ozzmanj1 said:
I know we have videos and poo-tang's stuff is always gold, thought I would still share this though.
http://www.engadget.com/2013/04/08/dualshock-3-xperia-sp/
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Hmmm Same blue controller, how strange

poo-tang said:
Hmmm Same blue controller, how strange
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You thinking what I'm thinking? Thinking they cherry picked your video.... or.... or..... your controller. Quick poo-tang, go see if your blue PS3 controller is still where it was last time.... lol
By the way, like the new avatar, Jedi Android.....

Hmm idp dont want to take such an controller with me every time:laugh:

Portable Gaming and the Shield Tablet. Lets discuss options

With the release of the tablet, some people were saddened at the fact that they couldn't portable game anywhere, similar to what you could do with the original Shield Portable. Especially since it doesn't have built in controls like the portable or other handheld devices
But that certainly can't be the end of it. It should still be possible to play anywhere like with the Shield Portable, with an attachable Gamepad, or a gameklip type of device
Here is one add on that apparently works with the Shield Tablet. not sure if it'll work in gamestreaming, but from what i've heard so far, it works great with android emulators.
- Ipega PG 9023
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixFXcDQbrQM
2. Another is called the utorcase
http://www.shapeways.com/model/2491653/ps4-controller-nvidia-shield-tablet.html?materialId=25
Anyone here have any other options, or ways to turn their tablet into a portable game machine? Certainly there have to be more attachable gamepads, or better ways to mount your tablet to your controller, without the feeling being too bulky.

Hello,
Gamepad Ipega 9023 really surprised me, exactly I was looking for something like this, though perhaps with this gamepad + tablet will be a problem to reach with your thumb on the touch screen display when the index finger on R1 or R2 button. I am now waiting until I arrives, then we'll see
gameklip utorcase - it can be a problem. Problem is center of gravity, the device is heavier, this will not be comfortable to holding for me.
I prefer to gaming on tablet Toshiba Encore 8 with Windows 8.1, where I play GTA4 or Crysis 1 without streaming and long battery life.
I show you my invention - ​​gamepad with which you can easily control First person shooter game with a thumb riding the touch screen display and special ergonomics - buttons below the display .Gamepad is very small and mobile.
Counter-Strike: Source
Crysis 1:

John6670 said:
With the release of the tablet, some people were saddened at the fact that they couldn't portable game anywhere, similar to what you could do with the original Shield Portable. Especially since it doesn't have built in controls like the portable or other handheld devices
But that certainly can't be the end of it. It should still be possible to play anywhere like with the Shield Portable, with an attachable Gamepad, or a gameklip type of device
Here is one add on that apparently works with the Shield Tablet. not sure if it'll work in gamestreaming, but from what i've heard so far, it works great with android emulators.
- Ipega PG 9023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixFXcDQbrQM
2. Another is called the utorcase
http://www.shapeways.com/model/2491653/ps4-controller-nvidia-shield-tablet.html?materialId=25
Anyone here have any other options, or ways to turn their tablet into a portable game machine? Certainly there have to be more attachable gamepads, or better ways to mount your tablet to your controller, without the feeling being too bulky.
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Either that PS3 controller has lead in the grips or this is staged. Seems no way the weight would keep it from tipping.

I think that's a faux-tablet for displays. Also, that's a PS4 controller, but they're not heavier than PS3 controllers.
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Either that PS3 controller has lead in the grips or this is staged. Seems no way the weight would keep it from tipping.
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Good news. video of the ipega 9023 with the Shield Tablet in action
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2BPhnRWd6Q
Apparently works during gamestreaming. If you guys have any questions, be sure to ask him in the video

Just ordered the ipega 9023. Seemed like a cool thing to try. Now gotta sit back and wait for it to ship from China.

ugoff said:
I think that's a faux-tablet for displays. Also, that's a PS4 controller, but they're not heavier than PS3 controllers.
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Hello Guys.
UtorCase maker here.
Re UtorCase photos for small tablets
I did use a small support for the photos, so the unit does not tip over. Still, using UtorCase with a large phone or a small tablet is perfectly convenient. These small tablets are extremly lightweight around 300-400 grams, so you can hardly notice their weight while playing with a Utorcase. Here is a review from another XDA member http://forum.xda-developers.com/general/accessories/utorcase-controller-mount-ps3-ps4-360-t2807699 for the largish Xperia Ultra Z.
Will be putting up some in game / in hand pics soon, but meanwhile you can also see a video with a small tablet in action in the middle for the Xbox 360...
Finally, what controller could be better for gaming than the good old PS and Xbox controllers?

Nice to hear from you. I am going to be purchasing one of your cases(is it really a case? It's more like a bracket....) for my phone. Would you consider making one that will fit the Shield Controller to the Shield Tablet?
giorgio79 said:
Hello Guys.
UtorCase maker here.
Re UtorCase photos for small tablets
I did use a small support for the photos, so the unit does not tip over. Still, using UtorCase with a large phone or a small tablet is perfectly convenient. These small tablets are extremly lightweight around 300-400 grams, so you can hardly notice their weight while playing with a Utorcase. Here is a review from another XDA member http://forum.xda-developers.com/general/accessories/utorcase-controller-mount-ps3-ps4-360-t2807699 for the largish Xperia Ultra Z.
Will be putting up some in game / in hand pics soon, but meanwhile you can also see a video with a small tablet in action in the middle for the Xbox 360...
Finally, what controller could be better for gaming than the good old PS and Xbox controllers?
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I wanted to buy the ipega while i wait for the gamegrip STG one to eventually hit the market. Sadly, the ipega has been rumored to have horrible deadzones. Upon request, a brand new buyer tested his for the camera, and it looks to be a defect thats baked in as a "Feature".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7-Lp7i4iV0
Its unlikely based on ipega's past, that there will be a firmware update to correct the problem, nor is there any guarantee the micro usb port interfaces with the controllers microcontroller

ugoff said:
Nice to hear from you. I am going to be purchasing one of your cases(is it really a case? It's more like a bracket....) for my phone. Would you consider making one that will fit the Shield Controller to the Shield Tablet?
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Hi,
Thanks! Yeah the naming is tricky. Utor is a latin word meaning "to fetch / to enjoy", and I kind a liked it. Otherwise, yes UtorCase is more of a bracket.
I have some requests for the Shield Controller, so I am currently looking at it. I would like to see the Shield controller getting some traction, but given the Shield tablet is compatible with PS4 and X1 or X360 controllers I am unsure that will happen.

I can see your point about controller popularity. It also seems a little silly to attach the two, considering that's kinda what the Shield Portable is.
giorgio79 said:
Hi,
Thanks! Yeah the naming is tricky. Utor is a latin word meaning "to fetch / to enjoy", and I kind a liked it. Otherwise, yes UtorCase is more of a bracket.
I have some requests for the Shield Controller, so I am currently looking at it. I would like to see the Shield controller getting some traction, but given the Shield tablet is compatible with PS4 and X1 or X360 controllers I am unsure that will happen.
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IPEGA PG 9023 - deadzones for the analog sticks tests are my videos
- no problem for me ,I prefer D-Pad + touch mouse pointer on my tablet Toshiba Encore with Windows 8.1 32bit
if I can still here a small sample of gaming:
according to me better than NVidia shield? None streaming and long battery life
NFS: Most Wanted, NHL 09:
Soldier of Fortune 2:

here is a video from nielo, reviewing the Ipega9023
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCO7pK-uvts

I soldered on a ps3 Six axis joystick replacing the right stick. The dead zone dissapeared, but the fitmware was written to work around the shoddu sticks. The usability has improved somewhat but the acceleration is way off. Looks like there isn't an easy way to make the ipega useable for fps play.

Hey,
UtorCase now has a pretty sweet "over the controller" version. Check it out
https://www.shapeways.com/product/QTKWBW72G

I own both the ipega and the sixaxis. The analog dead zone issue for the ipega is very noticeable, driving games and FPS are a pain.. Things like 3rd person shooters are more playable but is very difficult to aim precicely.. Dpad is decent but unusable with beat em ups. Also i can't play any GRID game with ipega connected, maybe is a bluetooth-wifi issue. The sixaxis works great, to connect via cable and without root I use sixaxis enabler, the only problem I found is some dpad issue on grid games, it seems to work in menu but not in games (like switching weapons)

jnnar said:
I own both the ipega and the sixaxis. The analog dead zone issue for the ipega is very noticeable, driving games and FPS are a pain.. Things like 3rd person shooters are more playable but is very difficult to aim precicely.. Dpad is decent but unusable with beat em ups. Also i can't play any GRID game with ipega connected, maybe is a bluetooth-wifi issue. The sixaxis works great, to connect via cable and without root I use sixaxis enabler, the only problem I found is some dpad issue on grid games, it seems to work in menu but not in games (like switching weapons)
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Odd I've been playing grid since day one with my ipega.... Picked it right up and ran (played dead island) my router fails the big one so I didn't get far. But it did work.....

Pariahnoble said:
Odd I've been playing grid since day one with my ipega.... Picked it right up and ran (played dead island) my router fails the big one so I didn't get far. But it did work.....
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I can run the GRID app with the ipega on, and start every game, but is totally unplayable (lag-stuttering-freeze-force close of the app). I started to blame the ipega the first time i tried the ps3 controller. Also i have a FTTH 100mbps connection so it should works very good (and it does without the ipega)

jnnar said:
I can run the GRID app with the ipega on, and start every game, but is totally unplayable (lag-stuttering-freeze-force close of the app). I started to blame the ipega the first time i tried the ps3 controller. Also i have a FTTH 100mbps connection so it should works very good (and it does without the ipega)
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Is your router using the 2.4ghz band? Maybe the iPega bluetooth signal is interfering with the shield signal - try using the 5ghz if available. I'll try to run some tests myself, as soon as I get back my GTX970 from the RMA.

Razer Forge TV - Everything Mojo should have been

http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-systems/razer-forge-tv
I, Like most of you are probably watchign coverage of CES 2015 and have stumbled across a new Android Powered Device called the Razer Forege TV that sounds very simliar to what the Madcatz Promised with the Mojo. Unlike what the Mojo was i strongely think the Forge TV will deliver.
$99 for the Device
$80 for the Controller
$150 for Device and Controller
$40 for Software to Run Computer games on Forge TV
$120 for Keyboard and Mouse
If this device didnt have google cast and android tv i wouldnt even consider purchasing especially after my experience with the Mojo from Madcatz (another gaming hardware company).

totally agree
mejdam said:
http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-systems/razer-forge-tv
I, Like most of you are probably watchign coverage of CES 2015 and have stumbled across a new Android Powered Device called the Razer Forege TV that sounds very simliar to what the Madcatz Promised with the Mojo. Unlike what the Mojo was i strongely think the Forge TV will deliver.
$99 for the Device
$80 for the Controller
$150 for Device and Controller
$40 for Software to Run Computer games on Forge TV
$120 for Keyboard and Mouse
If this device didnt have google cast and android tv i wouldnt even consider purchasing especially after my experience with the Mojo from Madcatz (another gaming hardware company).
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totally agree with you man , i will buy this item later maybe later this year :good:

interesting, why get that if you have a mojo (edit you can install lollypop now), it's not a step up soc wise... just get a shield tablet!
The controllers look very inspired by CTRLR, ie the phone clip.
Nothing like MC's latest controller!
http://store.madcatz.com/Mad-Catz-L...oller-for-Android-Smartphones-Tablets-PC.html
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gwaldo said:
interesting, why get that if you have a mojo (edit you can install lollypop now), it's not a step up soc wise... just get a shield tablet!
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lollipop ROM != android TV ROM
There is no 'working' Android TV ROM on the mojo yet.
working = chromecast receiver works, netflix (Android TV version, aka ninja ) works, etc (everything that is Android TV specific and that work on the Nexus Player for instance)

kgersen said:
lollipop ROM != android TV ROM
There is no 'working' Android TV ROM on the mojo yet.
working = chromecast receiver works, netflix (Android TV version, aka ninja ) works, etc (everything that is Android TV specific and that work on the Nexus Player for instance)
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I have not been able to work on it as I am busy with school. I believe in the next android release 5.0.3 we will see more android tv devices and I will be able to properly get the Google apps since the adt-1 is outdated I need an arm device with android tv and the nexus player is x86. With the razer being released I can get a dump of it and pull the apps I need. The only thing that didn't work for me was the playstore after it updated. Cast receiver does work I may boot it up today and mess with it since I have the adt-1 too.

If we could get something running similar to this on the mojo I'd be a happy happy boy... That being said, with the current custom ROM it's basically all I need bar a few minor tweaks anyways

kgersen said:
lollipop ROM != android TV ROM
There is no 'working' Android TV ROM on the mojo yet.
working = chromecast receiver works, netflix (Android TV version, aka ninja ) works, etc (everything that is Android TV specific and that work on the Nexus Player for instance)
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im a bit confused, where does one get a working android cast apk that works with the mojo?

mejdam said:
im a bit confused, where does one get a working android cast apk that works with the mojo?
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If you mean a cast receiver app so the mojo can act as a chromecast , afaik you can't.
The official app for this is called 'Google Cast Receiver' it's available on the Play Store here but it's not installed on the mojo.
The source code was release by Google too here: https://code.google.com/p/android-cast-mirrored-source/
Some people tried and managed to get the app working here : http://forum.xda-developers.com/hardware-hacking/chromecast/app-cast-receiver-app-android-t2900726. i tried the 'signed' version on the mojo, it's not working. I then tried the system-install version, the process is running and the mojo is seen as google cast device...but when casting it only displays a big red X (or a version mismatch error for Netflix). According to the topic, this app uses complex DRM security to protect some contents (Netflix for instance) and without the proper certificates (and so official hardware) it doesn't work anymore.

This should be awesome if they do it right? I am kinda bummed its Quailcomm and not NVidia surprised coming from a gaming company they would choose a processor that isn't known for its gaming ability?
Also there is Snail Games OBox coming which is NVidia . Can be upgraded anytime by changing module!

Forge TV
The Razor Forge TV is nothing special. It's just like the MOJO just running android TV. 16gb onboard storage is a joke, and the system will still not be able to run every game. I see no interest in the Razor Forge TV, and I have a hard time understanding why it won the best of CES. It's seriously nothing to be so happy about. I just think this box is a total failure, and has brought nothing special to the living room.

disorder78 said:
The Razor Forge TV is nothing special. It's just like the MOJO just running android TV. 16gb onboard storage is a joke, and the system will still not be able to run every game. I see no interest in the Razor Forge TV, and I have a hard time understanding why it won the best of CES. It's seriously nothing to be so happy about. I just think this box is a total failure, and has brought nothing special to the living room.
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It's because it's the first android TV box officially announced. The mojo in my opinion is better. Two USB ports micro sdcard and we also have Android TV port near fully functional. The setback for me is Google has yet to support external storage devices in android TV.
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Unjustified Dev said:
It's because it's the first android TV box officially announced. The mojo in my opinion is better. Two USB ports micro sdcard and we also have Android TV port near fully functional. The setback for me is Google has yet to support external storage devices in android TV.
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The mojo was $250 with a controller (and a mandatory controller so if you already have BT controllers it was a waste).
ForgeTV will be $150 with a controller (optional controller so only $100 if you already have BT controllers).
The SN 805 beats the Tegra 4 everywhere: http://www.androidauthority.com/tegra-k1-exynos-5433-snap-805-541582
Same RAM and internal storage.
One the 2 USB ports of the Mojo is for the controller dongle. So practically 1 usb port each.
ForgeTV ethernet port is 1Gbps, Mojo port is 100Mbps.
16Go is enough because you can have as many as you want of external storage with an USB OTG storage (sd/stick,sdd, hd,etc).
According to the a XDA Nexus Player forum topic that external storage can also be used for apps (using some mounting apps).
I fail to see where the mojo is better. really. even more that Mad Catz practically abandoned it.
and so far "Android TV port near fully functional" is a one man job (you) and not guaranteed.

kgersen said:
The mojo was $250 with a controller (and a mandatory controller so if you already have BT controllers it was a waste).
ForgeTV will be $150 with a controller (optional controller so only $100 if you already have BT controllers).
The SN 805 beats the Tegra 4 everywhere: http://www.androidauthority.com/tegra-k1-exynos-5433-snap-805-541582
Same RAM and internal storage.
One the 2 USB ports of the Mojo is for the controller dongle. So practically 1 usb port each.
ForgeTV ethernet port is 1Gbps, Mojo port is 100Mbps.
16Go is enough because you can have as many as you want of external storage with an USB OTG storage (sd/stick,sdd, hd,etc).
According to the a XDA Nexus Player forum topic that external storage can also be used for apps (using some mounting apps).
I fail to see where the mojo is better. really. even more that Mad Catz practically abandoned it.
and so far "Android TV port near fully functional" is a one man job (you) and not guaranteed.
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We will just have to wait and see about that. Have a little surprise tomorrow.
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You big tease lol

Having been at CES and having got hands on time on the Forge TV here is my take. I think that Razer should have added a second USB port and SD storage. In my opinion these 2 things will be a disadvantage. They did, however, bring some welcome improvements over the MOJO in the full Gigabit Ethernet and the entire UI. There is no doubt that the Forge TV is much more a consumer friendly product. However, from what I could tell from talking to folks at CES this is not going to be able to be easily rooted nor allow custom backup options. I could be wrong and just talked to the wrong folks (this was my first CES). The 2 areas that I thought the Forge really out did the MOJO was in it's ability to Stream almost any game from almost any PC (not just those running NVidea) to the forge. I tried a couple of high end games and they ran flawlessly. This will be huge because you will no longer need to really on 3rd party apps and subscription services such as OnLive to do this.
I was not impressed with the Serval. To me it was just another controller and at an $80 price point found it to be extremely over priced. I also have come to truly appreciate the media buttons on the CONTRLr and find the lack of them on the Serval to be disappointing. This is after all going to function as a remote as well as a controller.
The Turret was just the opposite. I was blown away by it. This is the first laptop keyboard I have used that feels good. It really feels and responds like a gaming keyboard. The mouse having a low level of magnetism so it stays where it is when you let go is fantastic. Only downside I had is that I have large hands and the mouse was on the small side. Along those same lines though, the key spacing was just enough that I did not feel cramped when typing.
In the end will I be buying any of these? I will most definitely be purchasing the Turret. Most likely a couple of them. I will also most likely be picking up a Forge TV down the road as well. As for the Serval, unless Razer rethinks the price point or I can get it at a Black Friday level discount I will be passing on this. It just does not bring anything to the table that any other Bluetooth controller doesn't and at half the price or less.

Unjustified Dev said:
We will just have to wait and see about that. Have a little surprise tomorrow.
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Did I miss the surprise?

I'm keen to see what MINIX are about to release for their control pad. I'm getting pics in a few days as well as a test unit soon.
From what they've told me it is supposed to make touch games playable so I keep thinking of a PS4 controller type of thing

Sir Jaxxy said:
Did I miss the surprise?
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Follow the development forum.

gwaldo said:
Follow the development forum.
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Yeah I just got caught up over there.

Sir Jaxxy said:
The 2 areas that I thought the Forge really out did the MOJO was in it's ability to Stream almost any game from almost any PC (not just those running NVidea) to the forge. I tried a couple of high end games and they ran flawlessly. This will be huge because you will no longer need to really on 3rd party apps and subscription services such as OnLive to do this.
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According to Razer web site (http://www.razerzone.com/cortex/stream), the streaming feature isn't specific to the Forge and will work on any Android 5.0 device.
The end game for Razer with the Forge is more to sell the accessories (Serval and Turret) than the console itself. That is where the high margins are. Peripherals are still their core business after all.