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Okay, before everyone starts flaming...I know that there are probably hundreds of thread in the Dream General section suggesting a support section or a "Support thread" but they have been incredibly unsuccessful and members are constantly reporting and starting new threads on their problems in Dream Android Development and in General. Isn't the whole point of GENERAL suppose to be GENERAL? And not a support area?
This is why I'm proposing that we create an entire new area for people to get help and for people to post their problems and give solutions. If you take a look at the amount of locked threads in development and the amount of threads in Dream General pertaining to the numerous amount of problems that people are having, you will understand. I understand that there is in fact a brick thread inside Dream Development, but people don't care. They just post it in random places and mods have to constantly remind people to post in the right place and to SEARCH! With this proposal, I believe that if a support section is created, people will be more likely to search in THERE because it's a special place set aside for just that, SUPPORT.
Mods please take this into consideration and don't lock this thread. How many of you think that we should have a support section and not clutter Dream General and Dream Development with hundreds of two post threads talking about bricks and eventually them getting locked or moved to the trash within seconds.
Thanks for reading this. Comment in the posts below
Thanks to Milestone for a list of good reasons why we should have a support section! thanks milestone!
milestone.it said:
i feel that a support section would be useful for many simple reasons
1) it would aid in the moderation task - most people can read the word "support" and realize to post in there. if they can't then don't get a g1!
2) it would allow for a few people who are interested in helping out other newbie users to correct their problems without everyone having to read them if they don't want to.
3) there can be a place to move wrongly posted requests to.
4) everyone knows where to post them to in the first place!
that was my £0.02p
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Everyone here with a few exceptions i'm sure are using a rooted phone. If you noticed, each thread that contains a ROM will also provide support for that ROM. Most of the problems are specific to each rom. So there would need to be a support thread for each ROM released in a seperate forum section, which already exists in the developer section. Also, each rom released is pretty much a beta and will always remain a beta because there is no standards to which these roms are created and no "end point" to the development, its always on going. And unique bugs and problems will always occure with each Rom. So it is a continual part of development to post, read about and repair those bugs and problems to make each Rom better. I don't think a support section needs to be created. I just think people need to be less lazy and use the search tools. Even bricked phones are being bricked by a specific rom...or SPL or what have u and again should fall under development since most bricked phones was because of a bad SPL or bug in a ROM . And if it is not specific to anything that has been created or released here...Tmobile DOES have their own support forums =)
Good point, but we're not T-Mobile and T-Mobile doesn't JUST carry the G1 now do they?
alritewhadeva said:
Good point, but we're not T-Mobile and T-Mobile doesn't JUST carry the G1 now do they?
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You've a good point as well =). ...Yah, T-mobile mentioned something about them carrying the ION soon....so I guess "T-Mobile" can be replaced with "Your phone's manufacturer and/or carrier" hehehe
Did XDA not create forums for the Magic and the Ion and the Sapphire? Most of this development is geared towards the G1 for the most part...which pretty much is T-Mobile....Now if they just made a Forum for "ANDROID DEVELOPMENT" that encomposses all the android phones...that may work out better. But the support would still end up in the specific rom forums... I dunno...to many roms and too many phones and too many carriers lol getting had to keep up
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Good point, but we're not T-Mobile and T-Mobile doesn't JUST carry the G1 now do they?
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No, and T-Mobile won't be able to support the myriad of problems that come with rooted phones and custom ROMs anyway.
The sad fact (and why this idea has never really taken off) is that no matter what you do; stickies/wikis/locked threads/temp bans etc... there is always going to be a host of fng's that don't know any better and will continue to post out of context and out of laziness.
Hell, there's a couple people that straight up know better and will still post in the wrong section because "nobody's gonna be able to help me in the Dream forum, so I'm posting here anyway."
It would seem you can't change human nature, so you're forced to moderate. Or so I've decided.
i feel that a support section would be useful for many simple reasons
1) it would aid in the moderation task - most people can read the word "support" and realise to post in there. if they can't then don't get a g1!
2) it would allow for a few people who are interested in helping out other newbie users to correct their problems without everyone having to read them if they don't want to.
3) there can be a place to move wrongly posted requests to.
4) everyone knows where to post them to in the first place!
that was my £0.02p
tep065 said:
You've a good point as well =). ...Yah, T-mobile mentioned something about them carrying the ION soon....so I guess "T-Mobile" can be replaced with "Your phone's manufacturer and/or carrier" hehehe
Did XDA not create forums for the Magic and the Ion and the Sapphire? Most of this development is geared towards the G1 for the most part...which pretty much is T-Mobile....Now if they just made a Forum for "ANDROID DEVELOPMENT" that encomposses all the android phones...that may work out better. But the support would still end up in the specific rom forums... I dunno...to many roms and too many phones and too many carriers lol getting had to keep up
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Yeah there's a forum for the Magic/Sapphire but the ION has not really been officially launched, but when it does I'm sure XDA will create another forum for it. I still think a support section would be a good idea. Most other forums have something like that, however this one does not. Just my opinion
milestone.it said:
i feel that a support section would be useful for many simple reasons
1) it would aid in the moderation task - most people can read the word "support" and realise to post in there. if they can't then don't get a g1!
2) it would allow for a few people who are interested in helping out other newbie users to correct their problems without everyone having to read them if they don't want to.
3) there can be a place to move wrongly posted requests to.
4) everyone knows where to post them to in the first place!
that was my £0.02p
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Good list. Updated OP
So, I've been thinking about this a bit more... and drinking bombay/tonic and shots of patron, so take it with a grain of salt...hehe
Anyway, I actually think it could be useful at this point. Seeing all the troubleshooting threads in this forum, it could be useful to seperate truly general things with support related things.
The way I see it, at this moment:
Dream (26 Viewing)
Dream android development (237 Viewing)
Dream accessories (2 Viewing)
Dream themes and wallpapers (25 Viewing)
Dream applications and games (23 Viewing)
Obviously, development gets all the attention.
That's the main reason so many people go straight there to get a question answered.
However; a support thread probably wouldn't see any less visitors than the other 4 threads and certainly more than the accessories thread. I dare say, accessories could be merged with general and be replaced with support.
It wouldn't hurt to have a handful of stickies of current support issues and an entire thread dedicated to it. Maybe having a thread that floated to the top in development called support that tried to redirect people to a support forum might work well.
Anyway, just a thought. Back to the tequila...
milestone.it said:
i feel that a support section would be useful for many simple reasons
1) it would aid in the moderation task - most people can read the word "support" and realise to post in there. if they can't then don't get a g1!
2) it would allow for a few people who are interested in helping out other newbie users to correct their problems without everyone having to read them if they don't want to.
3) there can be a place to move wrongly posted requests to.
4) everyone knows where to post them to in the first place!
that was my £0.02p
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Agreed =] I'm thankful for everyone commenting in this thread and keeping it alive. Come on guys, don't PRETEND you DON'T want a suppport section. Aren't all of you tired of the cluttered threads and the people telling you to sift through 300 page threads for answers? With this support section, finding an answer should be a breeze. I'm proposing we have sepeerate threads in the section for different ROMs and to post known problems and known solutions in the OPs. Let your opinions be heard! Going to go ahead and bump this up there. Come on! Comment! and vote in the poll
I know this may sound far-fetched, but I am proposing a possible merger of developers from all the Galaxy S series. I know that the hardware may slightly differ, but apart from a led flash here, ffc, keyboard, and 4g, the hardware is the same. After all, 10+ devs are better than 1 or 2 per section. Perhaps a seperate subforum for devs or senior members only to create and test new roms can be created, members test with their own phones and report, and devs can collaborate.
I understand that some junior members may complain about beta bugs and such, but that is why I proposed a restricted area only to those who fully comprehend that a new rom does include bugs.
I know CM7 is such a project, but perhaps we should extend that scope to something beyond that, and utilize the advantage that Samsung has given us by 10 million sales.
Why? Just because they share the same hardware by combining all relevant sections would probably cause some people to flash the wrong ROMS then there would be **** loads more posts saying "I didnt read it right now I have a shiny paperweight"
I thinks its far easier as it is, unless I'm misreading your post
Hence the restriction towards only developers. A lot of knowledge is lost thru diversification. When the area opens it should first, link to a warning
"Flashing the wrong roms WILL lead to a BRICKED device" and an "I Agree" signage.
Developers too need to put appropriate tags in their ROMs so that users can know which ROMs fit which device.
In my view the forum is littered with i bricked my device using xxx rom .
Surely those posts should be care of the developer even if a separate sub post for help is required .Combining all versions is only going to add many more help posts to the forum as so many dont read and wont read .
jje
Hi,
I just thought it could be worth mentioning that there's a device request thread on Cyanogenmod forums for our beloved Idol 3 :
http://forum.cyanogenmod.org/topic/111850-alcatel-onetouch-idol-3-55/
May I suggest that everyone who wants a Cyanogen rom to be ported on our phones should take a minute to register there and add their voices to the request ?
There's already 24 posts in this thread
Already demanded it
Cool
Just made a post, but later found out that posting a request for CM does not guarantee anything. In the sticky it states
Now, what does this mean to you? First off, requesting anywhere in the CM forum, the CM Blog, or the Facebook/Google+/Twitter accounts for device XX to be supported is probably a waste of your time and anybody who reads said request. CyanogenMod does not work on device requests as there is no guaranteeing that a current CM maintainer is even interested in the device. Additionally, its not as simple as 'porting' code, the device trees must be coded from scratch and made to work with the AOSP sourced code and CM enhancements. This takes a large amount of time and effort, especially when the device's OEM fails to release the latest version of Android for it. Second, in hoping a worthy developer sees the post and decides to take up the project... well, that is probably just wishful thinking. Many developers do not like interacting with end users (too much finger pointing between both devs and users or anger directed at the devs for something working other than how the user expects - it happens far too often); because of that, many developers don't frequent the forum (or if they do, they only view the forums for the devices they maintain).
The best way to get a device official support is not requesting it from the CM team, but learning how to do it yourself or encouraging a maintainer of an unofficial build to submit their code for review. Many developers will work on unofficial ports on the xda-developers forum, so that would be the first place to check out. If there isn't any work currently being done, you can attempt it yourself. There is a pretty in-depth article in the wiki explaining a lot of the steps of porting a device (as the bottom of the wiki states, nothing can cover every single process of porting, but it is a really great start).
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So it would need to be someone willing to take the time out to buy an Idol 3, if one has not done so already, and then port the code for our device out of their free time. And considering the userbase for this phone does not seem all that large to be noticed, I'm not sure if CM will work on our phones anytime soon.
Well thank you very much for your posts and your research.
I'm afraid you're right, but we had to ask
Let's not lose hope too soon anyway, the fact that the device request thread exist seems to be a good point. I don't know if any device had received a CM port because of this thread, but... why not ?
I've red that Alcatel and cyanogen had been in contact for a tablet. The project has been cancelled but this might suggest they could have access to resources that would ease their work (pilots ?).
Original rom on the idol is pretty much stock Android, this is a good thing too (well I'm not a developer but I guess it's easier when it's close to the original).
And, like you said, even if the user base is not that large, chances that someone from cyanogen got seduced by the idol (like we did) are still possible... (this is the moment where everybody crosses their fingers ).
Anyway thanks again !
The thread has now 31 posts (ah no, 32 webgaffeur just added his voice !)
Thanks to all the people that took some time to post there, let's not give it up : it's time to flood the forum !
i had posted the github with source for the phone but no one seems to respond not even one single admin? we can ask other devs crdroid pacrom dirty unicorns paranoid etc.
Alas, I think Brian is right : it's probably a waste of time posting on the device request thread
I checked devices with a lot more posts and views than ours and... nothing from a dev (like huyawei and Asus zenforce 5).
Asking to other rom devs will probably be useless also. Our only hope is that a competent developer buy an idol and start working on it... If this happens, I'm pretty sure he will share his work on XDA.
Well, meanwhile we already have root, twrp and xposed working, so I guess the best thing to do is to customise out phones till it suits our needs and that's all.
Let's hope also that Alcatel will continue to push updates (marshmallow ?)
Anyway thanks for your efforts Gecko.
Sorry, didn't mean to rain on anyones parade. Just wanted to let everyone know what the stickied thread on the CM forum for device requests stated. I'm not saying it won't ever happen, just that it might take some time to get a valued reputable dev who owns, or wouldn't mind purchasing the Idol 3 and working on it for us. Most dev's accept donations of devices that want development on from the users, so if we were able to locate and contact a reputable dev, asking them if we were to provide them with the device, would they mind porting or creating a ROM for it. It's worth a try. Maybe start a bounty or fundraiser etc. I myself do not know of any dev's that would be willing to work on this device as the ones I do know of have only worked on Samsung devices.
I don't know any dev at all
P.S. : thread has 34 answers now !
Cannadoux said:
I don't know any dev at all
P.S. : thread has 34 answers now !
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theres always other devs like pacrom paranoid android crdroid and omnirom even dirtyy unicorns
Good news, it seems we haven't hoped for nothing : http://www.cyanogenmod.org/blog/releases-releases-releases-august-2015#comment-2229134454
Thanks to @purple.epod for posting the news.
From cirwl himself : "A couple of us have one, and kernel source was just released, so strong possibility of yes"
Yiiiihaaaa
this is great i hope that we get a nightly soon
I know it is great having having a plethora of ROMs available for the S7 Edge and S7 but with the many ROMs out there they all seem similar to one another with minor differences. I know creating a new ROM is hard, (congrats to Fevax for cracking Lineage) but other then that, it seems like 'oh another version of the wheel', I know people do this as a hobby and I can't tell people to stop, however try do something original like possible do a Port of Lg or One plus.
I know people will say, if I want a lg port I should get a lg phone, or porting isn't easy and I should do of myself, but with the many talented people on this forum, why can't something like this happen.
Get a LG. Or make your own ROM. Or stop your ungrateful whining.
Big man behind the keyboard
1. Did you even read my question
2. Samsung has one of the best build quality of any phones, that's why I go to Samsung
3. What is so bad about asking for something if you are willing to pay
4. What ever happened to having a discussion on why it wouldn't work
5. So just because I have a sumsung, I can't see what a LG or HTC might operate like;
what you are saying is like;
If you want AOSP get a Nexus or a Pixel, Samsung is only TW
or you use a Mac and you want to use Windows or Linux on your device to, get a different computer for each OS.
6. I was asking for a service and I didn't push No Developers to do it.
So just because you sit behind a keyboard and belittle new members who just want answers to questions, makes you feel better then good luck to you for getting a insignificant win today.
New ideas come from everywhere, I didn't post this on an existing forum because I was asking a question, which forums are made for.
I will say you won't care what I wrote and will do a keyboard warrior tantrum.
I have been on this forum since Galaxy S1 and yes I haven't created an account until now but I didn't need to.
I do support the developers when something innovate arrives like AOSP working on the S7 or the few modded ROMs show up.
Just like any customer, you ask if something new is in the works and not expected to be called ungrateful.
Wogleb12 said:
1. Did you even read my question
2. Samsung has one of the best build quality of any phones, that's why I go to Samsung
3. What is so bad about asking for something if you are willing to pay
4. What ever happened to having a discussion on why it wouldn't work
5. So just because I have a sumsung, I can't see what a LG or HTC might operate like;
what you are saying is like;
If you want AOSP get a Nexus or a Pixel, Samsung is only TW
or you use a Mac and you want to use Windows or Linux on your device to, get a different computer for each OS.
6. I was asking for a service and I didn't push No Developers to do it.
So just because you sit behind a keyboard and belittle new members who just want answers to questions, makes you feel better then good luck to you for getting a insignificant win today.
New ideas come from everywhere, I didn't post this on an existing forum because I was asking a question, which forums are made for.
I will say you won't care what I wrote and will do a keyboard warrior tantrum.
I have been on this forum since Galaxy S1 and yes I haven't created an account until now but I didn't need to.
I do support the developers when something innovate arrives like AOSP working on the S7 or the few modded ROMs show up.
Just like any customer, you ask if something new is in the works and not expected to be called ungrateful.
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To be fair you do sound like you are whinging. You never mentioned paying someone and never made a request for aROM, you just moaned that there is what you see as a lack of creativity.
You haven't asked developers for anything. You just moaned that you aren't getting what you want.
Perhaps you meant something else but worded it wrong, but I don't think your post will go down well to be honest as it just seems like a flame toward the hard working devs on XDA.
riso123 said:
To be fair you do sound like you are whinging. You never mentioned paying someone and never made a request for aROM, you just moaned that there is what you see as a lack of creativity.
You haven't asked developers for anything. You just moaned that you aren't getting what you want.
Perhaps you meant something else but worded it wrong, but I don't think your post will go down well to be honest as it just seems like a flame toward the hard working devs on XDA.
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Thank you a response someone knows how to give, and it was just an inquiry.
Wogleb12 said:
1. Did you even read my question
2. Samsung has one of the best build quality of any phones, that's why I go to Samsung
3. What is so bad about asking for something if you are willing to pay
4. What ever happened to having a discussion on why it wouldn't work
5. So just because I have a sumsung, I can't see what a LG or HTC might operate like;
what you are saying is like;
If you want AOSP get a Nexus or a Pixel, Samsung is only TW
or you use a Mac and you want to use Windows or Linux on your device to, get a different computer for each OS.
6. I was asking for a service and I didn't push No Developers to do it.
So just because you sit behind a keyboard and belittle new members who just want answers to questions, makes you feel better then good luck to you for getting a insignificant win today.
New ideas come from everywhere, I didn't post this on an existing forum because I was asking a question, which forums are made for.
I will say you won't care what I wrote and will do a keyboard warrior tantrum.
I have been on this forum since Galaxy S1 and yes I haven't created an account until now but I didn't need to.
I do support the developers when something innovate arrives like AOSP working on the S7 or the few modded ROMs show up.
Just like any customer, you ask if something new is in the works and not expected to be called ungrateful.
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1. Yes.
2. Me too.
3. Where did you say you were "willing to pay"?
4. No discussion to be had. Devs make ROMS and make them available as they see fit. Their work, their time.
5. Not saying that at all. Like.
6. Sweet way of "asking for a service" you have. Telling devs their work is "another version of the wheel" will really endear you to them.
Didn't know you were new, nor do I care. My answer would have been the same.
As @riso123 suggests - you come over as a moaner. If that's not your intention, choose your words better.
I am currently looking for an alternative OS or ROM on a phone. My big challenges are I have a great grand fathered in at&t data plan. I don't want to loose and There is no good phone that is both on their list and seems to give me the option to try different ROMS or OS's. That also fits my need for dual sim.
I truly believe if there is a place that linux could fit best it is on my private device. I don't mind windows for my Daily desktop but in the past few months I have watched the location data icon flash on the top of my phone despite having turned location data off. It would be nothing for google to truly allow us to make this choice on our own. An it always felt wrong to get a google phone hack it and then side load a ROM like copper or even lineage.
I haven't looked into Paranoid Android user yet. The real thing I keep bumping my head against as previously stated is compatibility with AT&T so I guess I am here to ask the following questions.
If I do a custom OS like Post Market OS, Sailfish, even Ubuntu touch. Will one screw with my AT&T plan while others don't. Its not like I am going to tell them Im switching the OS but I imagine there is something in there that allows them to throttle remotely and prevents tethering etc? perhaps one of the choices spoofs that better than others. What is the best ROM/OS for this? Crapy call by the courts on that one BTW when that decision was handed down years ago, and kudos to the absolute BOSS who went after AT&T. Funny thing is I am not even that big of a hot spot user. I have no problem with cafe wifi. It's not like I am doing banking there and I air gap that Laptop from my home wifi. The rare occasion that I have needed it was a recent business trip and even that wasn't allot of data. But I digress.
Second question I want to support the linux community that are building new OS's for existing devices as I think that work is really important for the fourth house privacy etc. I have been thinking about it and I think the best way to do it would be to hire a new developer to give a hand to an existing project for a few weeks. Fresh eyes and all that. Any recommendations on how to select one or from where?
It's not that there is anything wrong with ROM's but they all use AOSP and allot live hardware designed for there retail version android meaning they get at least a licensing fee for each one not to mention In-Q-Tell.
I am sure you figured out I am thinking about POST market OS on the 6T and that's why I am posting this here. I tried a post in a more general forum but crickets. Thanks for any help in advance.
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