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In comparing the iPad with the Xoom, no doubt the iPad's display looks nicer. I have Dell IPS and non-IPS monitors and the color gamut on the IPS looks nicer.
However, I don't think Motorola "cheaped" out on the display as I've been hearing in passing. I think what it came down to is this no parts manufacturer has developed a mobile IPS display at 1280x800 because if they did, you know Apple would've used it in their MacBook Pro's.
So, if you were VP of Moto's Product Development, would you have made the same decision?
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Here's a link to an image that you can use to test image quality across different device. Try to display at 100% as different scaling algorithms may degrade the image quality.
ips for sure. Love the xoom, but the display is not the best. Even my Viewsonic G tablet does a better job displaying photos when viewing straight on. Maybe someone will figure out a way to tweak the xoom display for better contrast and color.
For a device this small, I'll take the larger resolution, and quality wise, I'm perfectly happy with the Xoom display (particularly after turning off auto brightness).
Now if we're talking about a LCD for PC, I'll keep my IPS
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ips for sure. Love the xoom, but the display is not the best. Even my Viewsonic G tablet does a better job displaying photos when viewing straight on. Maybe someone will figure out a way to tweak the xoom display for better contrast and color.
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The stock photo viewer does suck. If the image is scaled at all, it looks a bit garbled.
Go to the market and download QuickPic. It's a MUCH better photo gallery app, and even large images taken with my DSLR look good scaled down.
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For a device this small, I'll take the larger resolution, and quality wise, I'm perfectly happy with the Xoom display (particularly after turning off auto brightness).
Now if we're talking about a LCD for PC, I'll keep my IPS
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I'd have to agree. I'll take 1280x800 and slightly reduced image qualit over 1024x768
When I get my Xoom, I plan to do a cbr/cbz comparison against my R10 (1024x768 IPS screen).
IPS is still LCD. IPS is just one of the better types of LCD panel, and hence your thread title is weird.
Why are some people saying that the LCD on Xoom is non-IPS? Has it been confirmed already? I can't find the model number of the Xoom LCD panel. iFixit doesn't list it, maybe I can email them and ask. But from all the review pictures and videos I've seen so far, the view angel of the Xoom LCD does seem very wide, on par with typical IPS panel. Color reproduction-wise, it can vary a lot among IPS panels depending on model. Without doubt, the one on the iPad is exceptional. But then, with the volume that Apple is shipping, they probably won't have much problem getting some custom made specification.
EDIT: Ok, I just Googled. iSuppli has the part list
http://www.isuppli.com/Teardowns/News/Pages/XOOMBOM-Totals-$359-92-IHS-iSuppli-Teardown-Reveals.aspx
The display model is AUOptronics B101EW04 V.0, and it doesn't mention the panel type (no, TFT is not a panel type). Googling this model number gives me nothing. iSuppli does mention that the IPS panel on the iPad is infact AFFS panel, a high quatlity and newer type of IPS panel (those who have modded their Thinkpad X200 are familiar with this type of panel).
Alright, answering my own question.
Did some Googling and it seems that AUO doesn't make any IPS panel. Cannot find B101EW04 on their website, but their website does list a B101EW05. Judging from the model number it may be similar to the B101EW04 that Xoom uses. Perhaps it's a newer model that replaces the B101EW04?
http://www.auo.com/?sn=149&lang=en-US&c=34&n=146
B101EW05 is a 10.1" 1280x800 VA panel. VA panels are high quality panels that are comparable to IPS. Dell WFP 2407, 2407-HC, and 2408 (and maybe more, I just know these models) all use VA panels and everyone knows that they look exceptional. The B101EW05 looks spectacular on spec sheet, and enters into production only in Q4 2010. Perhaps just a little bit too late to be employed on the Xoom?
Someone in another thread that is a professional photographers said the xoom is more accurate on color than his ipad, for what it's worth.
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roebeet said:
When I get my Xoom, I plan to do a cbr/cbz comparison against my R10 (1024x768 IPS screen).
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Are you also keeping yours now??
Don't confuse a bright and colorful display with accuracy. Accurate means the way it looks in real life. Look out the window, it does not look like Wonderland or Oz.
A photographer needs an accurate representation on a device of his work so that the final product is not misrepresented.
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IPS is still LCD. IPS is just one of the better types of LCD panel, and hence your thread title is weird.
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Well, yea, I think most XDA readers know that IPS is LCD, but I just wanted to keep the title short.
I just added a link to a test image for those who want to test the quality of their different displays.
I was doing a side by side comparison against a friends iPad and my Xoom when playing a movie. They both look really good, but the main difference is the iPad being 4:3 looks really awkward when playing widescreen movies. The good thing about a "fragmented" OS is apps had to detect the screen size to work correctly, and now we have all these widescreen tablets of whatever resolution people like, while iOS is locked into 4:3 forever basically, or risk huge backwards compatibility problems as I'm sure 95% of iPad apps have 1024x768 hard coded in them.
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I was doing a side by side comparison against a friends iPad and my Xoom when playing a movie. They both look really good, but the main difference is the iPad being 4:3 looks really awkward when playing widescreen movies. The good thing about a "fragmented" OS is apps had to detect the screen size to work correctly, and now we have all these widescreen tablets of whatever resolution people like, while iOS is locked into 4:3 forever basically, or risk huge backwards compatibility problems as I'm sure 95% of iPad apps have 1024x768 hard coded in them.
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Resolution wouldn't be a problem for Apple. Since iOS devices are made only by Apple, Apple has complete control over what resolution their devices use. And given the volume that Apple ships (they sold 15 million of iPads in the first 9 month for god sake...), they probably can have a screen made to their specification (e.g. the super high pixel density screen of the iPhone 4).
It's the viewing angles that make IPS screens so much better.
Lay both an iPad and a Xoom flat side by side in portrait mode and look at them as you're laying down on a bed. You'll definitely notice a difference. The blues at the top of the Xoom screen of the tron-like Honeycomb wallpaper turn purple. The iPad colors largely look the same no matter what angle you're looking at it.
As a photographer, although i love android os but i still have to go with Ipad screen, the color look more accurate to me.
i went to Bestbuy and try out the xoom, the screen is pretty bad but better than my g-tablet.
I really hope that people can port honeycomb to ipad 2.
ianlti said:
As a photographer, although i love android os but i still have to go with Ipad screen, the color look more accurate to me.
i went to Bestbuy and try out the xoom, the screen is pretty bad but better than my g-tablet.
I really hope that people can port honeycomb to ipad 2.
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I tested both as well at Best Buy. I wouldn't say that it's "really bad." It's not as good as IPS, but it's not bad by any means.
Before I got my Dell Ultrasharp U2410 monitors, I was using plain Dell LCD monitors. I now have a quad monitor setup, 2 normal Dells + 2 IPS Dells. The U2410's have the edge on color gamut, but other than that, quality is very close.
If Samsung was smart, they'd make a 1280x800 SAMOLED display and keep it to themselves or else charge a huge profit margin to their competitors.
Sometimes, I wonder how these product VP's get their jobs? It just seems like all their decisions are against common sense.
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I tested both as well at Best Buy. I wouldn't say that it's "really bad." It's not as good as IPS, but it's not bad by any means.
Before I got my Dell Ultrasharp U2410 monitors, I was using plain Dell LCD monitors. I now have a quad monitor setup, 2 normal Dells + 2 IPS Dells. The U2410's have the edge on color gamut, but other than that, quality is very close.
If Samsung was smart, they'd make a 1280x800 SAMOLED display and keep it to themselves or else charge a huge profit margin to their competitors.
Sometimes, I wonder how these product VP's get their jobs? It just seems like all their decisions are against common sense.
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Unfortunately Super AMOLED isn't available this big yet. The Galaxy Tab 7" has a pretty nice screen, and early hands on preview of the Galaxy Tab 10.1" say that the screen on it is just as nice. It's not surprising though, since Samsung is probably using their own panels and their panels are always nice. If you look take a look here:
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/lcdpanel/product/note.html
Samsung makes 3 sizes of tablet screens, 7", 10.1", and 9.7", which coincides with the almost confirmed rumor that they will reveal another 9.7" Honeycomb tablet at CTIA. If you want a 10.1" Honeycomb tablet with nice screen, wait for the Samsung 10.1" or 9.7" Galaxy Tab. (But the Galaxy Tab 10.1" has no USB port and SD card slot .... yes, Samsung somehow think it's a good idea to use a proprietary 30-pin connector)
our IT nerd from work lent me his iPad for direct comparison and I have to admit that the Xoom does not even get close to the viewing angles of the iPad. Due to the 16:10 form factor the Xoom also appears smaller. Still, I'm having so much fun with my Xoom that if you don't torture yourself with putting the iPad right next to it it works well!
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Unfortunately Super AMOLED isn't available this big yet. The Galaxy Tab 7" has a pretty nice screen, and early hands on preview of the Galaxy Tab 10.1" say that the screen on it is just as nice. It's not surprising though, since Samsung is probably using their own panels and their panels are always nice. If you look take a look here:
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/lcdpanel/product/note.html
Samsung makes 3 sizes of tablet screens, 7", 10.1", and 9.7", which coincides with the almost confirmed rumor that they will reveal another 9.7" Honeycomb tablet at CTIA. If you want a 10.1" Honeycomb tablet with nice screen, wait for the Samsung 10.1" or 9.7" Galaxy Tab. (But the Galaxy Tab 10.1" has no USB port and SD card slot .... yes, Samsung somehow think it's a good idea to use a proprietary 30-pin connector)
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You mean 8.9 not 9.7.
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Hey Folks,
First and foremost, I'm not hear to start bickering with anybody...just here to share. Yesterday, I received my TF from BB via UPS. I was anxious to get it but at the same time had fingers crossed being that there's been quite a few documented issues both hardware and software related. As I turned on the device, the first thing that was blaring at me was there was screen separation. This was under the bezel where I could see the white of the black light clearly. Not the same as light bleed (there was some of that also). I went ahead and setup my account but had already known at that point that I was going to at least replace the unit. Initially, the unit was on 3.0.1, but after the battery had charged to about 70%, I got the notification that the 3.1 update was available. Now prior to me updating, which in all honesty wasn't a ton of time, I was experiencing FC's left and right. Believe me, I'm not the drama queen type, BUT IT WAS FREQUENT. Next thing I noticed was that, albiet not to thick, the tablet was quite heavy..a fair share of fatigue after holding for a short spell. In the TF's defense, I know a Xoom would have been equally taxing, as would an Iconia, etc.
Now I had been in Best Buy the same day that my TF came in the mail and saw that the Tab 10.1 was being released the next day (today). BTW...I live in NYC and was at the Union Square location. Fast forward to today; I was contemplating what I was going to do. Should I replace the unit with another and take the chance that everything is okay or do I choose something else. Low and behold, greatly due to the fact that there have been so many reports over various forums, I chose the Tab 10.1.
I've just had it a couple hours now, but so far here's what's evident. It is quite a bit lighter and more comfortable in hand.There's just about 0 light bleed. The colors are brighter on the Tab (take that as a pro or con....the colors are 'Galaxy S' oversaturated). There have been 0 FC's and the Tab is noticeably more responsive even when compared to the TF after it updated to 3.1. I'll miss the TF's widgets and extra cloud/DNLA services even though I never got a chance to hook it up. It's good to know that there are already accessories available that are made just for the tab. I bought a book style case for it from Belkin. '
All-in-all, I felt a bit let down enough by the TF to quickly decide that it wasn't the right choice for me. If any of you are feeling the same, I pray that provided you don't have any major hardware issues that Asus and Google can straighten them out with future updates. As for me, I prefer to take a less tentative unsure route.
Interesting. Thanks for the input.
Is there a keyboard case for the tab?
no microsd? dealbreaker.
samsung qual control? dealbreaker.
active # of developers for tab? semi dealbreaker.
love the TF. love the dev community. love the dock. good luck with the tab.
Keyboard Case? Not sure. I saw the Keyboard today, but don't know about the case to be honest.
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no microsd? dealbreaker.
samsung qual control? dealbreaker.
active # of developers for tab? semi dealbreaker.
love the TF. love the dev community. love the dock. good luck with the tab.
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Call it the luck of the draw and I hope I continue to be lucky, but as I'm using I haven't encountered anything as yet. But again, this is just after a couple hours of use. I will tell you this much though, there are certain options that I can't seem to find on the Tab...such as the option to have the Tab be seen as a desktop device so less mobile pages load. As far as the microsd, it's not that big of dealbreaker for me as I don't necessarily need to have a ton of movies or music on the device. I'll be able to hold a decent share, but it was never one of my major objectives to load the baby up like I would an ipod or my mac. I may change my tune. I guess time will tell.
chotabk said:
no microsd? dealbreaker.
samsung qual control? dealbreaker.
active # of developers for tab? semi dealbreaker.
love the TF. love the dev community. love the dock. good luck with the tab.
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+ $100 more than TF. Dealbreaker
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Call it the luck of the draw and I hope I continue to be lucky, but as I'm using I haven't encountered anything as yet. But again, this is just after a couple hours of use. I will tell you this much though, there are certain options that I can't seem to find on the Tab...such as the option to have the Tab be seen as a desktop device so less mobile pages load. As far as the microsd, it's not that big of dealbreaker for me as I don't necessarily need to have a ton of movies or music on the device. I'll be able to hold a decent share, but it was never one of my major objectives to load the baby up like I would an ipod or my mac. I may change my tune. I guess time will tell.
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Could you do more test for us if possible? What is the load time for the browser? Is there lag when typing on forums like xda? How is the battery life? Thanks
Fyahstarter said:
The colors are brighter on the Tab (take that as a pro or con....the colors are 'Galaxy S' oversaturated).
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This is where your rant fell apart for me.
The reason the colours are so saturated on the Galaxy S phones is because of the SuperAMOLED screen they have in them.
The Galaxy Tab 10.1 uses a traditional TFT panel which is absolutely nothing special whatsoever, TFT is the most basic screen technology you can get right now.
You are imagining things, dust and light bleed issues aside the IPS panel in the Transformer is far, far superior to the ancient TFT panel in the Galaxy Tab 10.1.
Shawn_230 said:
You are imagining things, dust and light bleed issues aside the IPS panel in the Transformer is far, far superior to the ancient TFT panel in the Galaxy Tab 10.1.
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The Galaxy Tab 10.1 has a PLS panel which is suppose to be an incremental improvement over IPS with even better viewing angles and brightness.
Shawn_230 said:
This is where your rant fell apart for me.
The reason the colours are so saturated on the Galaxy S phones is because of the SuperAMOLED screen they have in them.
The Galaxy Tab 10.1 uses a traditional TFT panel which is absolutely nothing special whatsoever, TFT is the most basic screen technology you can get right now.
You are imagining things, dust and light bleed issues aside the IPS panel in the Transformer is far, far superior to the ancient TFT panel in the Galaxy Tab 10.1.
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What are you talking about??? The 10.1 US verison runs on a PLS screen which is a IPS panel....Maybe you're thinking about the 10.1V which was release eariler this yr.
I dunno, just looked on Samsung's website and it said 10.1 WXGA TFT panel.
I guess it may have been the non-US version.
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This is where your rant fell apart for me.
The reason the colours are so saturated on the Galaxy S phones is because of the SuperAMOLED screen they have in them.
The Galaxy Tab 10.1 uses a traditional TFT panel which is absolutely nothing special whatsoever, TFT is the most basic screen technology you can get right now.
You are imagining things, dust and light bleed issues aside the IPS panel in the Transformer is far, far superior to the ancient TFT panel in the Galaxy Tab 10.1.
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The tab has a pls display (better than ips) not tft. And the saturation has nothing to do with being an amoled or not. Samsung just likes to increase the saturation on its displays so they look more appealing
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I dunno, just looked on Samsung's website and it said 10.1 WXGA TFT panel.
I guess it may have been the non-US version.
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That is just a very generic description for 1280x800 LCD. Even IPS panels are WXGA TFT. That isn't suppose to tell you what kind of panel it is, be it TN, VA, IPS, or PLS.
So the description is correct, it's just vague in not including the panel type.
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The tab has a pls display (better than ips) not tft. And the saturation has nothing to do with being an amoled or not. Samsung just likes to increase the saturation on its displays so they look more appealing
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Learn to read, this fact was already pointed out by at least two other people. Jesus, do people just enjoy kicking someone while they are down?
Also, I'm still not entirely sure. I'm looking at some sites and I see a lot of them listing a WXGA TFT display.
Edit: Okay, I guess this link confirms it. I still don't care though, I just went through two months of Transformer back-order bullcrap and I'm guessing it will be the same story with the Galaxy Tab for a while.
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That is just a very generic description for 1280x800 LCD. Even IPS panels are WXGA TFT. That isn't suppose to tell you what kind of panel it is, be it TN, VA, IPS, or PLS.
So the description is correct, it's just vague in not including the panel type.
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Yeah, but when they just say TFT it usually means the crappiest kind. If they had something to advertise they would (well looks like they do, not sure why they don't advertise the SuperPLS panel more).
I'm still undecided what to do with my Transformer. This is the second one I've had. Sounds like my first had the same issue the OP has with his and my second has a light colored blotch in the middle of the screen.
Both tablets have some very positive qualities. So hard to weight what is going to be more important to me.
Transformer
+ $100 cheaper
+ micro SD
+ mini HDMI
+ netbook style keydock
Galaxy Tab 10.1
+ lighter and rounded edges (more comfortable)
+ better speakers
+ PLS display
+ LED flash
+ just better looking
Almost afraid to say it, because I detest custom UI, but I almost want to give the Galaxy Tab 10.1 a + for TouchWiz UX. The demo of it actually has some very nice looking features.
Because of the lack of micro SD I almost certainly will need to spend $200 more for a 32GB Galaxy Tab 10.1, versus the 16GB Transformer I'm using now with my 16GB micro SD card. So the price difference is greater (I am sure I need more than 16GB for a tablet).
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Learn to read, this fact was already pointed out by at least two other people. Jesus, do people just enjoy kicking someone while they are down?
Also, I'm still not entirely sure. I'm looking at some sites and I see a lot of them listing a WXGA TFT display.
Edit: Okay, I guess this link confirms it. I still don't care though, I just went through two months of Transformer back-order bullcrap and I'm guessing it will be the same story with the Galaxy Tab for a while.
Yeah, but when they just say TFT it usually means the crappiest kind. If they had something to advertise they would (well looks like they do, not sure why they don't advertise the SuperPLS panel more).
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Relax dude. Those people answered while I was typing my message. I'm not a very fast aat typing I guess lol
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aim1126 said:
Relax dude. Those people answered while I was typing my message. I'm not a very fast aat typing I guess lol
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Sorry, my experience has been that people like to gang up. Someone makes a clerical error and makes a misinformed statement, one person points out this error and it should end there. But usually you get a dozen other people join in and say the same thing just to feel good.
So yeah, sorry that I misunderstood your intent.
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I'm still undecided what to do with my Transformer. This is the second one I've had. Sounds like my first had the same issue the OP has with his and my second has a light colored blotch in the middle of the screen.
Both tablets have some very positive qualities. So hard to weight what is going to be more important to me.
Transformer
+ $100 cheaper
+ micro SD
+ mini HDMI
+ netbook style keydock
Galaxy Tab 10.1
+ lighter and rounded edges (more comfortable)
+ better speakers
+ PLS display
+ LED flash
+ just better looking
Almost afraid to say it, because I detest custom UI, but I almost want to give the Galaxy Tab 10.1 a + for TouchWiz UX. The demo of it actually has some very nice looking features.
Because of the lack of micro SD I almost certainly will need to spend $200 more for a 32GB Galaxy Tab 10.1, versus the 16GB Transformer I'm using now with my 16GB micro SD card. So the price difference is greater (I am sure I need more than 16GB for a tablet).
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Same here. My TF is on its way to Asus for Repair. My display went dead after 1 months.... Before, having an sd slot was very important to me, but now its not cause I pretty much stream all my videos from my server at home with plex. What I like about the 10.1 is the battery life (engadget review) got 10 hrs, and better speakers. I am going to purchase 10.1 next week from Bestbuy and test it out. IF its good, then my TF will go straight to Ebay.
Here is an mini comparison of both Tablet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uV8GggJuKe8
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Could you do more test for us if possible? What is the load time for the browser? Is there lag when typing on forums like xda? How is the battery life? Thanks
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Im typing in the browser now and there is a bit of lag, but one thing that makes it a bit easier is that the Tab has haptic feedback. The TF didnt or by default it was turned off. The lag is definitely there though.
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This is where your rant fell apart for me.
The reason the colours are so saturated on the Galaxy S phones is because of the SuperAMOLED screen they have in them.
The Galaxy Tab 10.1 uses a traditional TFT panel which is absolutely nothing special whatsoever, TFT is the most basic screen technology you can get right now.
You are imagining things, dust and light bleed issues aside the IPS panel in the Transformer is far, far superior to the ancient TFT panel in the Galaxy Tab 10.1.
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Again, I'm not here to bicker or say mine is bettrr than yours, I'm just sharing. However, at the same time I'm not imagining things. The colors are very bright. Similar to what i have seen on Galaxy S phones. Moreover, that's not necessarily a pro. I am more partial to colors being closer to neutral.
http://www.carrypad.com/2011/08/12/a-critical-look-at-the-interface-and-ergonomics-of-android/all/1/
Interesting article and the main reason none of the newer, more powerful phones interest me.
While i kind of agree with this guy, I've been annoyed by the small size of the screen on the Hero many times. When you want to check something quickly on your phone, the small screen size is fine. However, when you're using the phone to pass time (browsing the web while on road trips etc.) it can be really annoying to have a small screen. You have to constantly use your fingers to scroll up and down when reading, and viewing any sort of graphs is impossible. Bigger screens are usually better for gaming aswell, since you can see details better, and touch controls get bigger.
I am not happy,I can't do anything ..
thats why i choosed desire hd over se arc cauz of it's screen ratio ,, to long that you cant manage it with one hand at all , and you know , playing with your phone while you driving with your 2 hands = go to hell !
good info. thanks
The screen size is slightly thinner than an iPhone's by about 5mm, and some people might find it harder to type with because of that, but IMO, the screen size is just right. I can't imagine carrying around a phone with a 4.3" screen in my front pocket.
i think the best screensize is 3.7 -4.0 inch screens, i want the size because i surf a lot, but i still want it to be pretty portable
I agree somewhat with the article, but I do find I want my Hero screen to be bigger. Maybe the size of the original Desire. But the larger screens do look nice too.
Ultimately, you will all be tempted by the big touchscreen. Join the dark side.
Look at this all craze, manufacturers are testing even bigger sizes, +5inch, and along with the tablet spree, it looks like searching for the perfect size, perfect ratio.
A company with a fruit in it's logo knew it all along. 3.5 inch for a phone, 10 inch for a tab. Ekhm..
I'm just gonna playa smartass prophet and say that android tablets are gonna get bigger too. 12 inch, maybe 13 inch. But I doubt if much more without a breakthrough in battery technology. Li-ons would really suck on 13 inch tab, quad core.
This isn't a 'which is better?' question, because they're two different sized tablets at different price points. I'm definitely considering getting a tablet soon, and I think it would have to be one of the two Nexus devices. But, which one should I get, is my question.
I used to have an OG Asus Transformer, and initially I used it frequently, but I ended up just going back to my desktop for general browsing etc. I think it might have been to do with the slightly outdated OS and specs, but also to do with the size.
I'm not sure if I want the very portable and rugged 7 inch screen, or the less portable and more cumbersome 10 inch screen.
Also, the price of a 32GB N7 is considerably cheaper than it's 32GB big brother, and I could also get mobile data if I wish.
I want to know if the smaller screen size and lower specs really make a difference on the experience.
Does anyone have both? And is the N7 big enough for watching Netflix, browsing the web etc. Cheers.
I didn't like web browsing on my Nexus 7, but enjoy it on my Nexus 10. Holding the device for games might of been slightly better on the Nexus 7 than Nexus 10 imo though, but the extra screen estate is nice on the Nexus 10.
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I didn't like web browsing on my Nexus 7, but enjoy it on my Nexus 10. Holding the device for games might of been slightly better on the Nexus 7 than Nexus 10 imo though, but the extra screen estate is nice on the Nexus 10.
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I am quite a gamer, and I guess gaming on a Nexus 7 would be easier. How about portability, do you take your devices anywhere?
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How about portability, do you take your devices anywhere?
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Yep, was walking around downtown a bit for about 2 hours with my N10 the other day; it's not too big of a problem as long as you have a bag of some sort I guess (I have a backpack and a laptop bag), but just carrying the N10 around with no case or anything probably isn't "too" ideal.
At the least, I think some sort of "book" cover with a grip might be nice for the N10 (which if I understand right, was planned to be available from Google, but was scrapped for redesign)
Hi Tibb,
I own both (Nex10 32GB and Nex7 32Gb 3G).
The Nexus 7 is perfect for carrying around, in the train/bus, on coffee breaks at the Autobahn , etc. The Nexus 10 is a little bit too big if you're walking or if it gets crowded on the bus/train, not that it is a bulky device but "on-the-go" the Nexus 7 wins in my opinion.
Gaming is good on both devices, it really depends on the game, for example "Asphalt 7: Heat", with the N7 the game is much easier to control, 'cause the N7 is smaller, on the N10 the display and graphics really rock with the game. It's hard to decide.
For sure browsing is much nicer on the N10, you have more of a desktop browsing experience. On the N7 browsing is more or less the same experience as on a smartphone.
Watching Netflix/movies, again hard to decide. When it gets to movies, my opinion: the bigger/the better the screen, the better the movie experience, so the N10 wins. But again, on the train/plane/bus and "on-the-go" I would prefer the N7.
I really like using my N10 at home and the N7 in all other cases.
When I switch directly from the N10 to the N7, for a short time the display of the N7 really sucks because the N10s display is so top notch.....
greez
C.
Zenith24 said:
Hi Tibb,
I own both (Nex10 32GB and Nex7 32Gb 3G).
The Nexus 7 is perfect for carrying around, in the train/bus, on coffee breaks at the Autobahn , etc. The Nexus 10 is a little bit too big if you're walking or if it gets crowded on the bus/train, not that it is a bulky device but "on-the-go" the Nexus 7 wins in my opinion.
Gaming is good on both devices, it really depends on the game, for example "Asphalt 7: Heat", with the N7 the game is much easier to control, 'cause the N7 is smaller, on the N10 the display and graphics really rock with the game. It's hard to decide.
For sure browsing is much nicer on the N10, you have more of a desktop browsing experience. On the N7 browsing is more or less the same experience as on a smartphone.
Watching Netflix/movies, again hard to decide. When it gets to movies, my opinion: the bigger/the better the screen, the better the movie experience, so the N10 wins. But again, on the train/plane/bus and "on-the-go" I would prefer the N7.
I really like using my N10 at home and the N7 in all other cases.
When I switch directly from the N10 to the N7, for a short time the display of the N7 really sucks because the N10s display is so top notch.....
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Just wanted to know one thing: the screen on the N7 is AMOLED, right? And the N10 has a LCD of some sort, right?
How good or bad are the blacks on the N10 screen compared to the AMOLED screen. I want to know because I own a Galaxy s2 and a Galaxy tab 7.7, which both have AMOLED tech, and I just love the colors and blacks I get on these screens. I am going to buy a N10 now, as soon as I see one, but I want to know about the "black" (how deep it is) first. Or could anyone please upload a picture with both N7 and N10 using a black background as wallpaper so I can get an idea?
retrorom said:
Just wanted to know one thing: the screen on the N7 is AMOLED, right? And the N10 has a LCD of some sort, right?
How good or bad are the blacks on the N10 screen compared to the AMOLED screen. I want to know because I own a Galaxy s2 and a Galaxy tab 7.7, which both have AMOLED tech, and I just love the colors and blacks I get on these screens. I am going to buy a N10 now, as soon as I see one, but I want to know about the "black" (how deep it is) first. Or could anyone please upload a picture with both N7 and N10 using a black background as wallpaper so I can get an idea?
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The N7 does not have an AMOLED screen. It has an IPS screen. AMOLED is usually a technology used by Samsung on smartphones (keyword = usually).
404 ERROR said:
The N7 does not have an AMOLED screen. It has an IPS screen. AMOLED is usually a technology used by Samsung on smartphones (keyword = usually).
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Hmm, ok I was wrong about the Nexus 7 screen. Don't know why I thought it was AMOLED. Anyway how is the black on the Nexus 10? Say when you boot it upin a dark room, will you see the backlight in the corners and will it be grayish rather than pure black?
retrorom said:
Hmm, ok I was wrong about the Nexus 7 screen. Don't know why I thought it was AMOLED. Anyway how is the black on the Nexus 10? Say when you boot it upin a dark room, will you see the backlight in the corners and will it be grayish rather than pure black?
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If you read around, people are talking about light bleed. It definitely hurts the level of black. The black isn't great and you'll definitely have some light bleed in the corners.
While the Nexus 10 is known for its high pixel density, it certainly doesn't have the best looking screen. That doesn't mean it's a trash screen though. It's pretty good even coming from a GNex whose screen I tweaked to fit my liking.
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If you read around, people are talking about light bleed. It definitely hurts the level of black. The black isn't great and you'll definitely have some light bleed in the corners.
While the Nexus 10 is known for its high pixel density, it certainly doesn't have the best looking screen. That doesn't mean it's a trash screen though. It's pretty good even coming from a GNex whose screen I tweaked to fit my liking.
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Yes I read about these corner bleeds on the forums, but I thought that might have been a first batch issue. I will buy a Nexus 10 as soon as I see one in the shops anyway, but it is just good to know what you will get before you buy anything
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Yes I read about these corner bleeds on the forums, but I thought that might have been a first batch issue. I will buy a Nexus 10 as soon as I see one in the shops anyway, but it is just good to know what you will get before you buy anything
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I got mine from the second batch and it still persists (not heavily though). To be honest, I didn't even know what light bleed was until I read around the Nexus 10 forums. Had to Google it to really know what it was about, and I decided to check up on all my LCD displays. All of them had it to a degree. I think people are making an exaggeratedly huge deal out of it. Don't bash me for that, because I'm sure there are people who either are very sensitive to this kind of thing or got a unit that was just completely unacceptable, but I really doubt that this many people can be possibly bothered by backlight bleeding which is prevalent in nearly all LCD displays. It just seems like something that got caught on and is spreading - "The Light Bleed Plague."
Anyway, if you're not in the dark a lot, you'll be okay.
I'm still undecided on which I want to get :silly:
I can get a 32GB N7 for £179, or a 32GB N10 for £389..
Small screen or big screen... agh I can't decide!
Tibbz96 said:
I'm still undecided on which I want to get :silly:
I can get a 32GB N7 for £179, or a 32GB N10 for £389..
Small screen or big screen... agh I can't decide!
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Well, let's see. I don't have a Nexus 7, so you don't have to take my post into too much consideration, but I want you to spend money on what fits you.
The Nexus 7's specs are on the verge of being outdated. That means, give it about 6 months and a new low-cost tablet will come out. I'm guessing the Snapdragon S4 Pro will become the chip of future lower-end tablets and that thing is a beast even if it doesn't beat the Exynos 5250.
I'm sure the experience is fine as it is right now, but as apps start to make more use of the power, the Nexus 7 might start to be considered as "slow" in a few months. Unless you want to replace your tablet often, then I think this is quite problematic.
If you seriously want something portable, I would wait. Give it maybe 6 months and you can get something that'll last you 1.5 years. If you want something now, the N10 will get you far. The 5250 SOC is no joke even if its pushing a high resolution.
Again, I speak from just reading around and not from experience, so feel free to disagree or ignore this post.
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I got mine from the second batch and it still persists (not heavily though). To be honest, I didn't even know what light bleed was until I read around the Nexus 10 forums. Had to Google it to really know what it was about, and I decided to check up on all my LCD displays. All of them had it to a degree. I think people are making an exaggeratedly huge deal out of it. Don't bash me for that, because I'm sure there are people who either are very sensitive to this kind of thing or got a unit that was just completely unacceptable, but I really doubt that this many people can be possibly bothered by backlight bleeding which is prevalent in nearly all LCD displays. It just seems like something that got caught on and is spreading - "The Light Bleed Plague."
Anyway, if you're not in the dark a lot, you'll be okay.
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How do you find out which batch your Nexus 10 is from?
I have both. Honestly fell in love with the form factor of the 7. Just perfect. If i need larger I use my computer. Seems like what you did even with the asus so I'd go with the 7 if i were you.
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How do you find out which batch your Nexus 10 is from?
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It's really a guess. I bought my directly after the first time it got sold out. But I believe there is also a naming scheme for the S/N and mine suggested it was the second (it had a B or 2 in there instead of an A or 1, I forgot which one it was though).
While I dont have the Nexus 7 or the Nexus 10 yet, I have used the Nexus 7 and own another 7 inch tablet and currently use an older 10.1 inch tegra 2 tablet. I would say this decision comes down purely to where and how you want to use it. If you plan on using it mostly at home or in the office then get the Nexus 10 hands down. I personally think the 7inch form factor is way too small and I feel like I am more using a large phone rather than a full tablet experience.
If you plan on using the tablet on the go, like bringing it to starbucks, traveling around with it, using it on the go, then get the 7 inch, its massively more portable.
In the end though, I just find 7 inch as far too small. I have big hands and its just not fun to use. Others mileage may vary.
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I agreeing with pal who say that nexus 7 is for train/bus etc and nexus 10 is for home usage.
Yeah I think it'll be more of a home usage thing There's those dock connectors on the bottom of the N10, will we be seeing any docks/keyboards soon?
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Dear lovers of portable devices !
Please help a desperated guy, searching for a tablet with a nice, high-resoluted, homogenous screen.
I´ve had several IPads (3,4,Air,rMini), Galaxy Tabs (7.7, 10.1), Surface RT/Pro, Nexus 10 and others.
Right now I am using an IPad 4 with an acceptable screen, though it could be better....
Any other device had serious problems like light bleeding and yellowish tint....
Especially the IPad Air and the rMini make me very sad ...
I know the tabs are not for the "pros", but I really feel that I do not want to bear such lacks anymore.
I do not want to have the impression that my expensive IPad was smoked...
Or that green color is bleeding out of my Nexus 10...
Is there any (actual) Tablet out there that could be called a seriously homogenous one ?