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Choose: 1024x68 IPS display or 1280x800 LCD display?

In comparing the iPad with the Xoom, no doubt the iPad's display looks nicer. I have Dell IPS and non-IPS monitors and the color gamut on the IPS looks nicer.
However, I don't think Motorola "cheaped" out on the display as I've been hearing in passing. I think what it came down to is this no parts manufacturer has developed a mobile IPS display at 1280x800 because if they did, you know Apple would've used it in their MacBook Pro's.
So, if you were VP of Moto's Product Development, would you have made the same decision?
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Here's a link to an image that you can use to test image quality across different device. Try to display at 100% as different scaling algorithms may degrade the image quality.

ips for sure. Love the xoom, but the display is not the best. Even my Viewsonic G tablet does a better job displaying photos when viewing straight on. Maybe someone will figure out a way to tweak the xoom display for better contrast and color.

For a device this small, I'll take the larger resolution, and quality wise, I'm perfectly happy with the Xoom display (particularly after turning off auto brightness).
Now if we're talking about a LCD for PC, I'll keep my IPS

nswenson said:
ips for sure. Love the xoom, but the display is not the best. Even my Viewsonic G tablet does a better job displaying photos when viewing straight on. Maybe someone will figure out a way to tweak the xoom display for better contrast and color.
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The stock photo viewer does suck. If the image is scaled at all, it looks a bit garbled.
Go to the market and download QuickPic. It's a MUCH better photo gallery app, and even large images taken with my DSLR look good scaled down.

codeman05 said:
For a device this small, I'll take the larger resolution, and quality wise, I'm perfectly happy with the Xoom display (particularly after turning off auto brightness).
Now if we're talking about a LCD for PC, I'll keep my IPS
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I'd have to agree. I'll take 1280x800 and slightly reduced image qualit over 1024x768

When I get my Xoom, I plan to do a cbr/cbz comparison against my R10 (1024x768 IPS screen).

IPS is still LCD. IPS is just one of the better types of LCD panel, and hence your thread title is weird.
Why are some people saying that the LCD on Xoom is non-IPS? Has it been confirmed already? I can't find the model number of the Xoom LCD panel. iFixit doesn't list it, maybe I can email them and ask. But from all the review pictures and videos I've seen so far, the view angel of the Xoom LCD does seem very wide, on par with typical IPS panel. Color reproduction-wise, it can vary a lot among IPS panels depending on model. Without doubt, the one on the iPad is exceptional. But then, with the volume that Apple is shipping, they probably won't have much problem getting some custom made specification.
EDIT: Ok, I just Googled. iSuppli has the part list
http://www.isuppli.com/Teardowns/News/Pages/XOOMBOM-Totals-$359-92-IHS-iSuppli-Teardown-Reveals.aspx
The display model is AUOptronics B101EW04 V.0, and it doesn't mention the panel type (no, TFT is not a panel type). Googling this model number gives me nothing. iSuppli does mention that the IPS panel on the iPad is infact AFFS panel, a high quatlity and newer type of IPS panel (those who have modded their Thinkpad X200 are familiar with this type of panel).

Alright, answering my own question.
Did some Googling and it seems that AUO doesn't make any IPS panel. Cannot find B101EW04 on their website, but their website does list a B101EW05. Judging from the model number it may be similar to the B101EW04 that Xoom uses. Perhaps it's a newer model that replaces the B101EW04?
http://www.auo.com/?sn=149&lang=en-US&c=34&n=146
B101EW05 is a 10.1" 1280x800 VA panel. VA panels are high quality panels that are comparable to IPS. Dell WFP 2407, 2407-HC, and 2408 (and maybe more, I just know these models) all use VA panels and everyone knows that they look exceptional. The B101EW05 looks spectacular on spec sheet, and enters into production only in Q4 2010. Perhaps just a little bit too late to be employed on the Xoom?

Someone in another thread that is a professional photographers said the xoom is more accurate on color than his ipad, for what it's worth.
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roebeet said:
When I get my Xoom, I plan to do a cbr/cbz comparison against my R10 (1024x768 IPS screen).
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Are you also keeping yours now??

Don't confuse a bright and colorful display with accuracy. Accurate means the way it looks in real life. Look out the window, it does not look like Wonderland or Oz.
A photographer needs an accurate representation on a device of his work so that the final product is not misrepresented.

tsekh501 said:
IPS is still LCD. IPS is just one of the better types of LCD panel, and hence your thread title is weird.
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Well, yea, I think most XDA readers know that IPS is LCD, but I just wanted to keep the title short.
I just added a link to a test image for those who want to test the quality of their different displays.

I was doing a side by side comparison against a friends iPad and my Xoom when playing a movie. They both look really good, but the main difference is the iPad being 4:3 looks really awkward when playing widescreen movies. The good thing about a "fragmented" OS is apps had to detect the screen size to work correctly, and now we have all these widescreen tablets of whatever resolution people like, while iOS is locked into 4:3 forever basically, or risk huge backwards compatibility problems as I'm sure 95% of iPad apps have 1024x768 hard coded in them.

Phylar said:
I was doing a side by side comparison against a friends iPad and my Xoom when playing a movie. They both look really good, but the main difference is the iPad being 4:3 looks really awkward when playing widescreen movies. The good thing about a "fragmented" OS is apps had to detect the screen size to work correctly, and now we have all these widescreen tablets of whatever resolution people like, while iOS is locked into 4:3 forever basically, or risk huge backwards compatibility problems as I'm sure 95% of iPad apps have 1024x768 hard coded in them.
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Resolution wouldn't be a problem for Apple. Since iOS devices are made only by Apple, Apple has complete control over what resolution their devices use. And given the volume that Apple ships (they sold 15 million of iPads in the first 9 month for god sake...), they probably can have a screen made to their specification (e.g. the super high pixel density screen of the iPhone 4).

It's the viewing angles that make IPS screens so much better.
Lay both an iPad and a Xoom flat side by side in portrait mode and look at them as you're laying down on a bed. You'll definitely notice a difference. The blues at the top of the Xoom screen of the tron-like Honeycomb wallpaper turn purple. The iPad colors largely look the same no matter what angle you're looking at it.

As a photographer, although i love android os but i still have to go with Ipad screen, the color look more accurate to me.
i went to Bestbuy and try out the xoom, the screen is pretty bad but better than my g-tablet.
I really hope that people can port honeycomb to ipad 2.

ianlti said:
As a photographer, although i love android os but i still have to go with Ipad screen, the color look more accurate to me.
i went to Bestbuy and try out the xoom, the screen is pretty bad but better than my g-tablet.
I really hope that people can port honeycomb to ipad 2.
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I tested both as well at Best Buy. I wouldn't say that it's "really bad." It's not as good as IPS, but it's not bad by any means.
Before I got my Dell Ultrasharp U2410 monitors, I was using plain Dell LCD monitors. I now have a quad monitor setup, 2 normal Dells + 2 IPS Dells. The U2410's have the edge on color gamut, but other than that, quality is very close.
If Samsung was smart, they'd make a 1280x800 SAMOLED display and keep it to themselves or else charge a huge profit margin to their competitors.
Sometimes, I wonder how these product VP's get their jobs? It just seems like all their decisions are against common sense.

Neo3D said:
I tested both as well at Best Buy. I wouldn't say that it's "really bad." It's not as good as IPS, but it's not bad by any means.
Before I got my Dell Ultrasharp U2410 monitors, I was using plain Dell LCD monitors. I now have a quad monitor setup, 2 normal Dells + 2 IPS Dells. The U2410's have the edge on color gamut, but other than that, quality is very close.
If Samsung was smart, they'd make a 1280x800 SAMOLED display and keep it to themselves or else charge a huge profit margin to their competitors.
Sometimes, I wonder how these product VP's get their jobs? It just seems like all their decisions are against common sense.
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Unfortunately Super AMOLED isn't available this big yet. The Galaxy Tab 7" has a pretty nice screen, and early hands on preview of the Galaxy Tab 10.1" say that the screen on it is just as nice. It's not surprising though, since Samsung is probably using their own panels and their panels are always nice. If you look take a look here:
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/lcdpanel/product/note.html
Samsung makes 3 sizes of tablet screens, 7", 10.1", and 9.7", which coincides with the almost confirmed rumor that they will reveal another 9.7" Honeycomb tablet at CTIA. If you want a 10.1" Honeycomb tablet with nice screen, wait for the Samsung 10.1" or 9.7" Galaxy Tab. (But the Galaxy Tab 10.1" has no USB port and SD card slot .... yes, Samsung somehow think it's a good idea to use a proprietary 30-pin connector)

our IT nerd from work lent me his iPad for direct comparison and I have to admit that the Xoom does not even get close to the viewing angles of the iPad. Due to the 16:10 form factor the Xoom also appears smaller. Still, I'm having so much fun with my Xoom that if you don't torture yourself with putting the iPad right next to it it works well!
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tsekh501 said:
Unfortunately Super AMOLED isn't available this big yet. The Galaxy Tab 7" has a pretty nice screen, and early hands on preview of the Galaxy Tab 10.1" say that the screen on it is just as nice. It's not surprising though, since Samsung is probably using their own panels and their panels are always nice. If you look take a look here:
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/lcdpanel/product/note.html
Samsung makes 3 sizes of tablet screens, 7", 10.1", and 9.7", which coincides with the almost confirmed rumor that they will reveal another 9.7" Honeycomb tablet at CTIA. If you want a 10.1" Honeycomb tablet with nice screen, wait for the Samsung 10.1" or 9.7" Galaxy Tab. (But the Galaxy Tab 10.1" has no USB port and SD card slot .... yes, Samsung somehow think it's a good idea to use a proprietary 30-pin connector)
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You mean 8.9 not 9.7.
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The screen thread!

So, I've been taunted by the Acer the day before launch at BB and had someone open one up to demo for me. After somehow avoiding the purchase I did more research and found the Asus release date and figured I'd wait. Well we all know how that went..
Anyhow as I sit here reading thread after thread deciding on the Acer now, or Asus later, I am torn about the screen quality. I have heard many things like "as good as Ipad" "way better than Xoom" the amazingly grammatically correct; "it Sux" or just "terrible"
I don't care about the dock....at all. Battery life, build quality and screen crispness i do care about.
I'm hoping this thread can be to discuss the goods and bads about the screen in as unbiased a way as possible. I would love for people who have interacted with both chime in!

The screen "quality" is fine. Text looks great (read for over an hour with no eyestrain). Videos look good. Viewing angles are even fine, which is unusual for a TFT.
But the glare!!! Yikes. I realize that the glare probably has more to do with the glass than the screen technology, but the bottom line is that they both contribute to my enjoyment, or lack thereof, of the screen.
I have a Nook Color and I can place the A500 and the NC right next to each other and the difference is dramatic in terms of glare. Sure, the NC has some reflection, but it's a great deal more muted than then A500 which is practically a mirror.

I don't have any particular problem with the screen. It looks sharp. Runs in 1280x800 resolution.
Some people complain about the grid that can be visible, but I have NEVER seen it during normal use. I didn't even know what people were talking about until I held it at weird angles directly under a light source (as in...10 inches away from my lamp).
The thing is a finger-print magnet though, so if you have OCD issues with that sort of thing you will always need to be replacing screen protectors or having a microfiber cloth in your back-pocket.

I picked one up from bestbuy a few days ago. The screen is very nice. The grid does bother me, but it's not often that I see it.
Games look good, videos look good. Everything is snappy
I don't have a transformer or an ipad to test it against but I think the acer is worth buying if you don't care about the keyboard dock on the transformer.

The screen itself is very good with decent colour and contrast with excellent viewing angles. As others have said though, you do get glare from the high gloss glass panel and it attracts fingerprints when you just go near it. With the right lighting direction I can see the grid in the same way I have seen it on virtually all capacitive screens.
Would I use any of this against the A500? - no. These issues are minor to me but I can see how for some they would be a more major issue.

I think the quality is really good but could use some tweaking. Why in the world are there no apps that allow you to tweak gamma contrast color and all that? Calibrating would make it much better but for some reason we are expected to keep it as delivered?
Also slightly unrelated, has anyone noticed if you use a 1280x800 image as a wallpaper it looks liek crap? What resolution do we need wallpapers to be in? The stock ones are too borring.

volcaicstrad37 said:
So, I've been taunted by the Acer the day before launch at BB and had someone open one up to demo for me. After somehow avoiding the purchase I did more research and found the Asus release date and figured I'd wait. Well we all know how that went..
Anyhow as I sit here reading thread after thread deciding on the Acer now, or Asus later, I am torn about the screen quality. I have heard many things like "as good as Ipad" "way better than Xoom" the amazingly grammatically correct; "it Sux" or just "terrible"
I don't care about the dock....at all. Battery life, build quality and screen crispness i do care about.
I'm hoping this thread can be to discuss the goods and bads about the screen in as unbiased a way as possible. I would love for people who have interacted with both chime in!
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Look, the IPS display is "better"....that's that. If you need something with a gorgeous screen, wait.
Is the A500 screen terrible, bad, etc.? Not by a long shot. It's bright, crisp and the viewing angles are very, very good. The 'grid' you read people referring to, is barely visible and you'll only notice it on very lightly colored, black or white backgrounds, and that's with your face plastered to the screen. It isn't a deal breaker for many people but it might be for you. If you can afford to wait, wait....and make an informed decision and one you won't regret once you're able to compare them side by side. Unlike the TF, the A500 is in supply and I doubt they'll be running out any time soon so time and supply are on your side (for the Acer, anyway).

here are a few pictures of the iconia and transformer screens. Pics are captured by motorola atrix camera. Hope it can help with the buying decision.

home screen landscape and portrait

thickness and back. For some reasons, I can't upload the video

Wow the one on the right looks so much better. Orange county area? I live in Tustin lol. Where did you get your hands on a transformer?

keroppilee said:
Wow the one on the right looks so much better. Orange county area? I live in Tustin lol. Where did you get your hands on a transformer?
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hahaha, nice to have a neighbor on this forum. Yep, the transformer has the best screen but the iconia is not that bad. I got my TF at Fry's. I saw an employee there carried 3 TFs to the stock room. I jumped on them right away, got one for my best friend and one for my brother. Both of them want the TF so bad. As for me, I am settled with the iconia at Best Buy. I just like the build quality and how it feels in my hands. If I knew, I could have got the last TF for you

appreciate the thought
I'm still deciding between android or I pad. I really feel I pads polish in multimedia is a big plus. I'm trying my roommates xoom and youtube doesn't even run without stutter :/
Netflix is nice on I pad too
I do love the PC I sh feel of android. Much more customizable

Back light bleed through
Some transformer owners have complain about back light bleed through when watching videos.

hey in the past week i have tested the view sonic gtablet , the archos 101 and the playbook . the view sonic and the archos dont even come close to what the acer is i picked up the acer after i saw it at best buy today and i was impressed i also picked up the xoom last week but returned it after 24 hrs because the price 599 was on my mind the whole time i was playing with it .
the screen i feel is like the apple ipad which i have . i really can not notice the difference. and if anyone is thinking about the gtab and the archos dont get them if your not holding it at the right angle all the time your not going to see much.

I had the gtablet for 3 weeks and recently sold it and picked up the Acer A500 yesterday. I was also comtemplating on buying the Xoom at Bestbuy, but after playing with both tablets I couldn't justify spending the extra $ on the xoom so I went with the Acer and so far so good. It's like night and day compared to my old gtablet.

texonex said:
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LoL. Please clean the screen of the Iconia What a difference...

I'm a Transformer owner, but over the weekend I had a chance to play with both the Xoom and the Iconia in store.
The screen on the Tranformer is definitely the best of all three tablets, and this was clearly evident even without having the Transformer to hand to compare side by side.
However, I would still rate the Iconia's screen as "very good" (the Transformer's screen would be rated "excellent"), and significantly better than the screen on the Xoom (which I would rate as just "ok").
Regards,
Dave
P.S. Just an FYI, but I'm keeping an eye on the Iconia forums because I'm thinking about getting an A100, not to troll regarding A500/Transformer comparisons!

if you want to see the real difference between the Iconia and Transformer, take a pic from the side with about a 150 deg angle.

MCWatter said:
. Viewing angles are even fine, which is unusual for a TFT.
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It not a regular TFT screen , in fact there are 4 differents technologies ( TN, MVA, PVA, IPS )
Acer choosed PVA for the A500 , it provides the highest contrast ever measured on a tablet (1126:1) when the Ipad and its IPS Screen is rated (960:1) , but the latency is not as good as its competitors (even if asus came out with a trick , to correct that , by inserting a black picture every 3 images )
People tends to think that IPS is superior , but in fact it depends of the usage.
A500's screen might not be the best screen in the world , but it is for sure a very good one.

[Article]-Xoom screen = BAD

ouch...
http://www.droid-life.com/2011/06/22/motorola-xoom-display-is-low-end-and-poorly-calibrated-according-to-displaymate-showdown/

Say it aint so. Heh
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Just a repost of what Xoom owners have known since they first bought their tablet.
The screen is garbage.

almostinsane said:
Just a repost of what Xoom owners have known since they first bought their tablet.
The screen is garbage.
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I like mine but that crap about the screen dimmer is true and it is annoying

Yawn neeeeeext!
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The screen is just as good as any regular average computer monitor.

Transformer= cheap p.o.s. build quality & ****ty battery (tablet only, who really cares about it's performance as a netbook? if i wanted one i'd buy one)
Ipad2= nice, but like being on house arrest, or watching tv with everything over PG on parental lock. far too many limits.
I'm very happy with my Xoom and it's "bad" screen.

Hi all,
Well the first thing i did when i set my Xoom up was turn off Auto Brightness as i do on all my devcies and turned brightness on full and found the screen on the Xoom to be bright and sharp. Then i strated reading all these posts about how poor the Xoom screen was and just couldn't understand it at all as my experiences are totally different. Only when i turned on the Auto brightness did i suddenly see what the compliants where about as it made the screen horrible. But really the fix is so simple just don't use Auto brightness and its all good IMHO.
Marc

Actually, if you read carefully through the test results, none of the displays did all that well. What really put the XOOM screen in last place was screen reflections and poor viewing angles, in most other critical tests, results were equal to or close to the competition.
If you put an anti-reflective screen protector on the XOOM, it compensates well for the XOOM's biggest shortcoming, screen reflections - (I use Boxwave Cleartouch Anti-Glare on the XOOM) the difference is pretty amazing and the screen looks quite good.
I am surprised that these professional reviewers made no mention of the two versions of the XOOM screen. So we don't even know which screen version they reviewed.

i llike the zoom screen. With autobrightness on.

Yep, I've turned off auto-brighness and have an anti-glare, anti-fingerprint screen protector and I've never looked back. I have zero complaints about the screen now.

Who actually compares screens side by side? It's a bit like a ****-length contest. I'm happy with mine but I don't feel the need to wave it about next to others to impress....

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Who actually compares screens side by side? It's a bit like a ****-length contest. I'm happy with mine but I don't feel the need to wave it about next to others to impress....
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+1. I completely agree. This whole thread seems like not much more than an exercise to justify someone's choice to sell the Xoom for another tablet.
I use A LOT of devices during my work day....and in terms of day to day use I have been very happy with the Xoom's screen.

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Who actually compares screens side by side? It's a bit like a ****-length contest. I'm happy with mine but I don't feel the need to wave it about next to others to impress....
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I totally agree. There will always be something bigger ( so to speak) and better what I find funny is that they didn't mention the bleeds and dust specks people are having on those other screens. There screen might be better but mines clearer oh and it works like it suppose to.
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I went to Bestbuy on Sat and looked at the SGT10.1 and iPad 2, played with both for a good few minutes, I'd say the iPad is at the top in terms of screen crispness and picture quality, iPad OS in general is very polished ... the SGT and Xoom imo is a close second, I have an anti glare protector on my Xoom so it does reduce the picture quality obviously. As said above set the brightness to 50-60% and you will see the Xoom screen pop.
All in all the Xoom will stay with me for two reasons ... SD card access (I have mine rooted so no crying about lack of SD access) and 2ndly it is so versatile having access to ROM's and Kernels, this kills my desire to ever want an iPad, I hate to be boxed in.

It's funny, the screen was one of the major reasons I returned my iPad2. I hated it because the resolution was too low, which made text look horrible.
The Xoom screen is brilliant as long as you take the brightness off auto.

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The Xoom screen is brilliant as long as you take the brightness off auto.
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That! Think that this was the first thing that I did on my Xoom.

I was using an ipad 2 the other day and yes the screen is far clearer but my xoom feels more like a mans toy rather then a childs toy.
dont mind having a worse screen when my battery lasts 4 days and i can do what i want with it and not controlled my apple.
also wouldnt get the transformer due to the speaker locations makes it to wide.
you get what you are happy with.

i love my xoom. i came from the viewsonic gtab so i naturally love the xoom screen compared to the gtab.

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I totally agree. There will always be something bigger ( so to speak) and better what I find funny is that they didn't mention the bleeds and dust specks people are having on those other screens. There screen might be better but mines clearer oh and it works like it suppose to.
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I think it's silly the "guru" of displays didn't review the GTab 10.1, since it's using a PLS screen which is Samsung's competitor to IPS.
Regarding the 'comparison' comments however: I was recently seated next to a woman on a flight from NYC and she had an iPad2. As I sat there and looked at a magazine on my xoom, I couldn't help but notice that her screen had outstanding viewing angles. When I put the xoom onto my lap and looked at it, the colors washed out and looked terrible. I ended up returning it and bought a GTab instead.
So - I think comparisons are valid, here. Especially in an environment where a direct comparison could be made. In my case it was on a plane, where I happen to be a lot.
The GTab's screen is fantastic. As good as the iPad2. The build quality on my unit is fine, but there are a lot of complaints about dust under the screen, and so on. I would gladly go back to the 'thicker' xoom if they came out with a higher quality screen. The xoom felt great. But in the end, the screen sucked (I had the Sharp with bad light leakage) and that was, in a word, unacceptable - no matter how many people trumpet out that screen bleeding on tablets is normal. It's not.

Why does everyone say such bad things about the Xoom's screen?

So I went to bestbuy today to officially make a decision on a tablet. I was seriously considering the Flyer, 10.1, Touchpad, Xoom (especially with the price drop), and and the iPad 2.
Long story short, after playing with everything for like an hour, I walked out with a xoom. I had almost written it off because of everything I had read about the screen. With all the terrible things being said about it I was almost expecting a dim misery of an LCD ala the Velocity Cruz.
But I must say after using it at bestbuy I was really surprised. The screen is very clear, more than bright enough, even at bestbuy, and the colors are fine. I then spent some time with the 10.1, and had my eyes blown out. The colors where WAY over-saturated and blown out. I can see why people like it, but the colors aren't accurate. I think this is same syndrome people have when the see super amoled screens, and why they leave their tv's on "dynamic" Just because the colors are more saturated doesn't mean they're better. The xoom looked much more natural to me with its warmer display and more muted colors.
And now that I have it home, im very happy with my choice. It feels so well built. I didn't need the thinness and lightness of the 10.1, I like having the build quality. The screen has ZERO backlight bleed (take that apple!), and I can't find any dead pixels, dust, or anything like that. Im not trying to "justify" my purchase here, like im sure some will say. I could have easily bought a 10.1 or an iPad 2 if I wanted. But I just liked the xoom the best, screen and all.
So does anyone else actually like this screen, or is it just me?

I'm perfectly satisfied with my Xoom's screen, too.
I've read that there are 2 screen parts used and that one is not as good. Glad I got the good one.

I am happy with my Xoom's display as well. I often watch HD movies on it, and it looks great. It doesn't seem to "pop" like some samsung screens, or some amoled screens I've seen on a few htc devices, but it is by no means faulty. I personally love the vivid popping colors on the previously mentioned devices, but, again, I am happy with my Xoom as well.
Also, I find a lot of people complain about things such as this out of jealousy(they are mad because they don't have said device, so make up excuses to justify it) or fanboyism(Htc is the best ever. Moto screens suck!!), or some other various reason that holds no merit.
Lastly, the people who are satisfied generally aren't as vocal, so you don't see as many threads started by them. However, when someone finds the smallest problem such as one miniscule dust particle, viewed only by microscope, under the glass of their device, the obvious step is to all caps rage on the forums, demand justice, expect a free replacement of a far superior device, etc.

ZanshinG1 said:
I'm perfectly satisfied with my Xoom's screen, too.
I've read that there are 2 screen parts used and that one is not as good. Glad I got the good one.
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I love my Xoom screen too. Especially at sixty percent to full brightness, the Xoom screen is plenty saturated and true. I'm a painter, and I use my Xoom as my portfolio, so it has to be good.

I also am very satisfied with the screen quality and its warm colors. The brightness isn't as high as some other tablets but its enough to satisfy my needs. I usually have it set to auto brightness anyways, save for when watching shows or movies. As mentioned, I too really appreciate the build quality of the xoom and the weight did not bother me at all. Although now that I have an otterbox defender on it, the weight pretty much doubled and not to mention how beastly thick it is with it on.
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I'm also satisfied with my screen. My only issue is that the Auto brightness is too dark - that might be the reason why most people seeing a Xoom for the first time think the screen look washed out, without having checked how brightness was adjusted.
Regarding the mention there might be two different screen - any facts to support this? If so, any way to distinguish the two manufacturers?

Humans are more fond towards colors that pop and are bright even if they aren't accurate.
The xoom screen is fine and well worth the price at the new price point @ $500.

RMerlin said:
I'm also satisfied with my screen. My only issue is that the Auto brightness is too dark - that might be the reason why most people seeing a Xoom for the first time think the screen look washed out, without having checked how brightness was adjusted.
Regarding the mention there might be two different screen - any facts to support this? If so, any way to distinguish the two manufacturers?
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There are a lot of topics here about the two different screens, search. You can find out what screen you have by typing "dmesg" in terminal and look for line that contains lcd. I have a Sharp screen. A Xoom that i returned because of toutch screen problems had a AUO screen.

poisike said:
... You can find out what screen you have by typing "dmesg" in terminal and look for line that contains lcd....
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Can you please translate it for dummies?
Thanks

NikosPx said:
Can you please translate it for dummies?
Thanks
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I believe terminal here means either command prompt from your pc while connected to your Xoom in debug mode or using the Terminal emulator app.
I suppose to test it, just download Terminal Emulator from the market and run it. Then type dmesg on the dos-like blue screen that appears. A whole bunch of text will appear and you just look for a line that describes lcd.
This should be familiar to you if you know how to use DT a2sd.

AWWW
I have AUO, I still think the screen is fine though. My screen has zero light bleed what so ever so I guess that is good.

Thank you musashiken, I 'll try it out.
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i like the screen very much too. just hate the fingerprints

musashiken said:
I believe terminal here means either command prompt from your pc while connected to your Xoom in debug mode or using the Terminal emulator app.
I suppose to test it, just download Terminal Emulator from the market and run it. Then type dmesg on the dos-like blue screen that appears. A whole bunch of text will appear and you just look for a line that describes lcd.
This should be familiar to you if you know how to use DT a2sd.
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Yes, use Terminal emulator from Market.
It's a good idea to restart your Xoom before you type dmesg (you will get a lot of text if you don't restart and it's possible you will not find the line you are looking for).

andr0id23 said:
I am happy with my Xoom's display as well. I often watch HD movies on it, and it looks great. It doesn't seem to "pop" like some samsung screens, or some amoled screens I've seen on a few htc devices, but it is by no means faulty. I personally love the vivid popping colors on the previously mentioned devices, but, again, I am happy with my Xoom as well.
Also, I find a lot of people complain about things such as this out of jealousy(they are mad because they don't have said device, so make up excuses to justify it) or fanboyism(Htc is the best ever. Moto screens suck!!), or some other various reason that holds no merit.
Lastly, the people who are satisfied generally aren't as vocal, so you don't see as many threads started by them. However, when someone finds the smallest problem such as one miniscule dust particle, viewed only by microscope, under the glass of their device, the obvious step is to all caps rage on the forums, demand justice, expect a free replacement of a far superior device, etc.
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I'm currently playing with Thrive, xoom, and tab 10.1. Im comparing the display side by side and tab 10.1 looks better and sharper, no matter what you say. The speaker quality on tab 10.1 blows away both of them. Other than those extra connector found on xoom and more on thrive, tab 10.1 win hands down in rest of the other departments. Also, the display of Toshiba thrive is better than xoom and speakers sound decent to. Its not about jealousy. If you try them side by side then you better understand what's beat for you. I know its not possible all the time but at least sometimes when there are $500 - $600 involved and return policy without restocking fee is available, go for it and take your decision based on that.
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Hmmm. Well it seems I have the AUO screen as well. What kind of problems are they having? Mine looks pretty good, like I sad no light bleed or anything. The only thing I can see is a slight scanline affect that you can sometimes see on cheaper lcd's, i'v seen it on cheap laptops before.
Not sure that justifies a return but has anyone else noticed it?

i just sold mine i am buying the tab10.1 today

Did some searching. Looks like the sharp screen had better color and contrast but also has a massive amount of backlight bleed, where as the AUO has worse contrast and color but has zero backlight bleed. I have a feeling the one on display at bestbuy was a sharp, but the bleed was invisible due to the overhead lights.
I use mine in the dark allot so I cant stand bleed, I have no interest in trying to get a sharp screen. It looks like AUO also makes screens for cheap laptops, witch would explain why I can see the scanlines you see on cheap laptops lol. I have 14 days to see if ill be satisfied the AUO screen. If not I guess I can always trade for the oversaturated Samsung

poisike said:
There are a lot of topics here about the two different screens, search.
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I apologize for not hitting the Search button every single time I read a statement in a thread that is about the stated topic, in case it might have come up in the past and I might still have missed it in my daily visits to this forum.

NikosPx said:
Thank you musashiken, I 'll try it out.
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Oh and to really make your life easier, type "dmesg | grep lcd".
This will extract text that contain "lcd" and you don't have to scroll through all the text to look for it.
And seems like I got the AUO screen.. well I'm fairly satisfied with it but seeing that I'm not american and I imported my Xoom, I'll have to live with it no matter what.

Question RE: A500's Poor Color Performance

I think it is well known now that the A500 displays poor color saturation. I am wondering if there is either a third party app or a custom ROM that allows me to fix this issue?

panda.bear said:
I think it is well known now that the A500 displays poor color saturation.
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It is? I didn't know (or notice) that. What sources are you referencing?

Not to me, I am very satisfied with the A500 colour saturation

i dont know I get great colors and saturation , now I would say the camera isnt all that good but I dont really use the camera so it doesnt matter to me

Must not be very well known.

Mine looks great too

Like mine too
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I am basing this off my personal observations as well as many others who have noted the same issue online.
Displaymate reviewed the screens of all android tablets a while ago and confirmed user observations that the A500 demonstrates poor color saturation. You can read the article here (http://www.displaymate.com/Acer_Iconia_ShootOut.htm).
You can also find many others who note the same issue with this model if you search Google. It should be apparent if you compare your tablet to other displays unless they are of an equal caliber.
I doubt it is the actual LCD hardware which is causing the problem, which is why I asked if there was a software solution where you can adjust display settings like saturation, contrast, etc.

The A500 does not have the greatest screen. No, I am not going to hold my breath and cry about ICS not here yet, no, I won't start a faceyspace petition, no, I'm not going to claim I'm putting my A500 on Craigslist.
I love my A500 and plan to keep it a long time.
But the screen is not that great. It does not have the best contrast (blacks being really black and not gray), it could be brighter, the colors a little more saturated.
But it's a tradeoff. No Android tablet is the best at everything, and I chose the A500 because it did have a lot of features I wanted compared to the others. The cameras, the 2 different sized USB ports, the construction, yada yada yada.
You MIGHT find some software tweak that could possibly adjust the screen a little, but you're really up against a hardware limitation. Compare your screen to a mirrored hdmi signal to a good TV. It's the screen. It's not great.

The only issue i have with the display on my a500 . When we are in bed Reading .. my better half complains that my screen is to bright. She tells me to roll over so its not blaring in her eyes or turn it down. IT Needs to go lower brightness.
everyone who i have seen my tablet say its looks amazing. I to will be using my a500 for quite some time.I See no need to jump onto a new device 450.00 and 1 year old. i want a 17.3 I7 Laptop next .Would get check book taken away if i try buying both.

Just a cheap screen, want better color performance step on over to a top tier tablet.

It's a 262k colour screen. What do you expect?

sRDennyCrane said:
The A500 does not have the greatest screen. No, I am not going to hold my breath and cry about ICS not here yet, no, I won't start a faceyspace petition, no, I'm not going to claim I'm putting my A500 on Craigslist.
I love my A500 and plan to keep it a long time.
But the screen is not that great. It does not have the best contrast (blacks being really black and not gray), it could be brighter, the colors a little more saturated.
But it's a tradeoff. No Android tablet is the best at everything, and I chose the A500 because it did have a lot of features I wanted compared to the others. The cameras, the 2 different sized USB ports, the construction, yada yada yada.
You MIGHT find some software tweak that could possibly adjust the screen a little, but you're really up against a hardware limitation. Compare your screen to a mirrored hdmi signal to a good TV. It's the screen. It's not great.
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Actually, the depth of its black is where our screen excels. http://m.gizmodo.com/5824807/the-best-tablet-displays-ipad-2-just-got-dethroned

chasmanian said:
Actually, the depth of its black is where our screen excels. http://m.gizmodo.com/5824807/the-best-tablet-displays-ipad-2-just-got-dethroned
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After spending time with a super AMOLED plus screen, I can't say the Acer screen is anything more than adequate in any catagory. And compared to other Android tablets, Samsung is at the top... in fact, they're at the top everywhere. Even the new iPad, since Sammy makes that screen, too.

erica_renee said:
The only issue i have with the display on my a500 . When we are in bed Reading .. my better half complains that my screen is to bright. She tells me to roll over so its not blaring in her eyes or turn it down. IT Needs to go lower brightness.
everyone who i have seen my tablet say its looks amazing. I to will be using my a500 for quite some time.I See no need to jump onto a new device 450.00 and 1 year old. i want a 17.3 I7 Laptop next .Would get check book taken away if i try buying both.
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Search for Rootdim, problem solved.

If you understand Russian, read here - it's a detailed comparative review of tablet displays.

so I guess the OP walked into a store with a fist full of cash and blindly bought a tablet.....the slightest amount of research would have found this tablets screen is no show stopper

BrianDigital said:
so I guess the OP walked into a store with a fist full of cash and blindly bought a tablet.....the slightest amount of research would have found this tablets screen is no show stopper
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I purchased this tablet about a year ago before the Transformer came out and the only other HC option at the time was the Xoom, which was a hundred dollars more expensive than the A500.
I did notice at the time that the color saturation on the A500 was slightly poorer than the Xoom when I purchased my tab in the store but that that difference didn't seem to overcome the price gap at the time. It is a minor issue I have with my tablet and no, I do not plan to see my tablet which I have owned for a year just because of it - I simply wanted to know if there was a way to adjust it which is why I created this post.
I don't understand why everyone here wants to attack and question me with rude or snarky comments which are OT. I am not attacking anyone or anything I am simply making an observation and asking if there is any way around it.

panda.bear said:
I purchased this tablet about a year ago before the Transformer came out and the only other HC option at the time was the Xoom, which was a hundred dollars more expensive than the A500.
I did notice at the time that the color saturation on the A500 was slightly poorer than the Xoom when I purchased my tab in the store but that that difference didn't seem to overcome the price gap at the time. It is a minor issue I have with my tablet and no, I do not plan to see my tablet which I have owned for a year just because of it - I simply wanted to know if there was a way to adjust it which is why I created this post.
I don't understand why everyone here wants to attack and question me with rude or snarky comments which are OT. I am not attacking anyone or anything I am simply making an observation and asking if there is any way around it.
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sorry just read a topic in here that got me moody, I have really only seen color modification on led screens i could be wrong, but i think what you see is what you get