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Alright, my first thread EVER.
First off, I'd like to say thank you to all of the developers on this forum.
Everyone does amazing work... and I hope to be able to contribute one day soon.
So I claim no credit for any of the work I discuss in this topic.
As for now, I've been tapping my toes for Gingerbread, as many of you may have been as well. I have, though, in the meantime trying out some of the ROMs released by developers ( Evervolv | GRH55/Android 2.3.1 | v1.0.0a15 | [released by preludedrew] && OMGB v5 (Android 2.3) [released by R2DoesInc )
Since the initial release, I have run on either / or of these ROMs and not had to revert back except about twice. They both run great in my personal opinion, and I'm sure there both still being worked on. But I found myself asking which one I should leave flashed?
I said I liked the feel of OMGB 5 initially, vs the Evervolv v1.0.0a13 - Gingerbread... but since then, Evervolv took it up to v1.0.0a15 and now has a working GPS. I'm sure OMGB isn't going to be behind, though. It seems like you initially don't have access to change the layout of the Everlov, though. Instead of trying to go mess with the settings, I downloaded a simple Gingerbread 2.3 launcher app off of the Android Market, and it works beautifully. Only the absence of a Camcorder and a few little things here and there. But I was never able to run daily on an AOSP for more than one or 2 days before going back to a Sense ROM. In my opinion, one of 2 things are going to happen in the near future...
Let me specify though, this is ALL speculation.
These 2 developers, are going to come so close to perfection with these ROMs. But I believe after the OTA is released, we may see HTC perfect it's Sense. I'm curious to see in the near future... perhaps on January 1st, the source at least is leaked out. And let me say again, MERE SPECULATION.
((But based on previous trends, at least in my head, reference Skyraider Froyo 2.2 )) which was out before official OTA release.
Does anyone have a preference, or still need to stick with another 2.2 ROM for some reason? I see why a camcorder may be important to some, but as for everything else, it does what needs to be done. Virtually no hiccups.
Thank you for your responses ahead of time.
_Steven_
I don't think you'll see 2.3 sense for quite some time... probably not until at least spring (IIRC this is about how long it took from 2.2 release until 2.2 sense roms were available). We'll probably never get an official OTA for incredible, but hopefully Evo or another similar phone will get it and we can port it.
As for an AOSP version, I think we're a few weeks or less away from having it up and running fully. The source has already been fully released and the CM team (among many others) is on it. If you can live without sense, I don't think you'll be waiting too much longer.
Hmm, I agree. But I was just thinking it would be something to advertise 5 days before the end of the year, in order to get rid of inventory. But it was just a wild suspision, clearly I haven't a clue about marketing.
Happy Holidays
I'll sample omgb on and off until the real CM7 is released. Haven't tried enervolv though. As far as kernels go, I try invisiblek's builds, reports problems, then roll back to #18.
I believe I've been tinkering alot since I've been off all week (and still have another week to go). Whatever I end up with on Jan 3rd will have to be full featured, stable and last 12 hours on a full charge.
There's a gingerbread version for the incredible that's supposed to be coming to testing soon, but who knows how LTE smartphone testing will impact that. Maybe in march or later (after inc HD is released and out for a month)?
patches152 said:
There's a gingerbread version for the incredible that's supposed to be coming to testing soon, but who knows how LTE smartphone testing will impact that. Maybe in march or later (after inc HD is released and out for a month)?
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I also believe that we are going to have to wait until the Inc HD comes and sits for a while before we see anything related to Gingerbread on our Inc's. We might get lucky and have it released the same day the Inc HD comes out but Moto is more known to do that. One thing I do believe is that the Inc is not one of the phones that will get left out of the update to 2.3. We might be a little behind the Evo but we will see it.
It's not up to moto, though. Has to go through three stages of carrier testing. Unless VZW tries to release both on the same day, you're gonna get one and the other. Ultimately VZW has the last say.
Hey i'm Chriss-not an owner of Find 5 but wish i was....
I love Find 5....even it's website lists that it supports XDA,which is like a "Loyal King".
I want to buy it and i 'm trying,i checked out the xda tread and i saw official CM10.1 which really cool but there's nothing else except
AOSP.I mean if you guys can make a some-what stable CM10.1....you guys could easily make more roms like Paranoid,PAC,MIUI would be awesome on 1080p display,and many other roms....more you make better,try out-of-box like firefox os...These things make news and make the device more popular,which brings in more support,donors etc...:good:
So dev who are try hard to fix cm bugs and are stuck build some other roms also ....don't mind the bugs that arise which can be fixed later
I would like to wish the team Best Of Luck! :victory:
Just be patient.
The cm10.1 rom was only released yesterday.:good:
With working and stable CM10.1 and AOSP Roms it's easier to port other Roms that are based on either of them.
I'd much rather have those two up and running in a near perfect state before we get a bunch of people that bricked their phones because they jumped on an alpha of Paranoid Android and they have no clue how to restore them.
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Just be patient.
The cm10.1 rom was only released yesterday.:good:
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Yeah. CM kangs almost never appear until CM is mostly complete for a device, and we didn't release until yesterday.
This device has only had kernel source available for sometime around a month, and isn't exactly widely available. Good development takes time.
FYI, CM went from "developers received the device" to "95% working" in less than two weeks, with the first week of that being research and laying the groundwork for a port. Most of the actual coding was done over the past weekend. Of course, this was only possible due to devices that came before us, like the Xperia Z.
It's amazing how much easier Qualcomms are to work with than Exynos.
Good lord.
Okay, you have two approaches to encourage development chrissmartin.
1) Knock yourself out and build a ROM of your own
2) Donate money to an existing developer who's working on a ROM / kernel... whatever you think is of value to you.
I don't know if you've done either, but short of those two options, please don't be 'that guy'. It's a new device in many respects, as Entropy pointed out. You want a ton of ROM's ASAP...go hop on the Sammy bandwagon.
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Good lord.
Okay, you have two approaches to encourage development chrissmartin.
1) Knock yourself out and build a ROM of your own
2) Donate money to an existing developer who's working on a ROM / kernel... whatever you think is of value to you.
I don't know if you've done either, but short of those two options, please don't be 'that guy'. It's a new device in many respects, as Entropy pointed out. You want a ton of ROM's ASAP...go hop on the Sammy bandwagon.
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Not gonna get that on Exynos BTW.... All of the Exynos4 CM maintainers are barely touching their devices, and so far, not a single person with maintainer experience has expressed interest in the Exynos5-based GS4. (As to Qualcomm-based GS4s - Some CM people are getting them, but myself and the other ex-Teamhacksung guys are going elsewhere.)
Edit: Obviously, other people can pick up the ball and take a crack at the Exynos5 GS4, but so far, I have not encountered anyone with an interest. All of the people with AOSP-on-Exynos experience I've talked to are done with the platform, and expect Exynos5 "Octa" to be even worse than the Exynos4 was. There's always the possibility we'll get a pleasant surprise from Samsung, but I have very little hope given that they completely failed to deliver on their promises made at the Big Android BBQ.
^ very good to know, thanks Entropy!
First of all!
I'm sorry....i thought cm10.1 had been released weeks or months before...so that's why,i asked
Xiaomi themselves have described the Find 5 as " most likely next" and I'd prefer if miui was made by them.
Allanitomwesh said:
Xiaomi themselves have described the Find 5 as " most likely next" and I'd prefer if miui was made by them.
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You won't see any discussion of their port here due to their rampant GPL noncompliance.
They're kangers of the worst sort.
I'm sure the ROMs are coming, wait til CM 10.1 is mostly stable, I'm impressed how quickly development is proceeding already.
^^ same. CM came quick! This phone is just barely starting to grab peoples attention. Its a slow start because its not an HTC or a Samsung, or a Sony... or an LG lol. This is their first international phone ever and it's the first time anyone has even heard of OPPO in the mobile world.
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CM10.1 Rocks!
https://plus.google.com/107247846330688142975/posts/8K7jsbFcwPu
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Things are really starting to flow now, can't wait to try out al the current custom roms
Rule one is to not ask for ETF, and perhaps make a donation.
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I just built Jellybeer, but I haven't got my Find 5 yet so can't test it yet
PAC ROM rocks! Working camera now
I haven't seen any posts about it. I am sure our phones can handle it, but are there any devs thinking about working on it? I know someone got the Nexus 4 to boot on L.
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I haven't seen any posts about it. I am sure our phones can handle it, but are there any devs thinking about working on it? I know someone got the Nexus 4 to boot on L.
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Patience.
I guarantee numerous devs will build L for the S4.
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I haven't seen any posts about it. I am sure our phones can handle it, but are there any devs thinking about working on it? I know someone got the Nexus 4 to boot on L.
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Also remember that "L" is a developer preview. It isn't really designed to work - it's designed to show developers what the next version of Android will be like. Very basic things like the API are still changing. Even when an "L" ROM comes out, I would avoid it as a daily driver at all costs until it stabilizes and gets into Beta.
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Also remember that "L" is a developer preview. It isn't really designed to work - it's designed to show developers what the next version of Android will be like. Very basic things like the API are still changing. Even when an "L" ROM comes out, I would avoid it as a daily driver at all costs until it stabilizes and gets into Beta.
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I am aware of all that. I have been watching Android evolve for a few years now. My question was merely why there isn't any talk about it around here from the devs.
I'm hyped for L for the improved battery life.
Well since the Galaxy S3's are getting KitKat, I'm sure we'll be getting Android L when it's stable and released. If anything, we can always get an AOSP Rom
There's no talk because theres nothing to talk about except, "WHERES OUR L UPDATE SAMSUNG?! GOD. YOU TAKE FOR EVER. ANOTHER PHONE HAS IT. GOD I HATE SAMSUNG"
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I have noticed there isn't a lot of development for our phone. Is the reason for this there is not a lot of devs interested in this phone, or are they all just waiting for MM to come out?
Don't get me wrong, I am thankful for the devs we do have, I guess I am just used to a larger selection of roms/kernels/apps.
I can't really say there is a lack of development per se. But then again I am coming from a g920a and the xda forums for that device are like a bad joke. But seriously we have Marshmallow already thanks to hackers; also a CM development thread and a debloated stock rom. We have a few kernels and I think development will hopefully heat up even further when stock marshmallow becomes official and also official CM support comes around, seeing as the majority of custom roms have at least some part of CM in them these days. I for one really hope a version of AOSPA gets released for this device eventually but then that will probably take a while as they haven't even started to work on MM yet it looks like. But really this phone is already amazing. I am running Marshmallow and doze along with amplify has dramatically improved the only problem I was having; the battery. I left my phone over night for a bit over 10 hours last night and it only lost 1%! And that was with WIFI bluetooth and location still running. I freaking love this phone, and I am confident that the development activity is still young and just getting started.
I'd imagine it'll pick up a decent amount more once we get MM. I doubt you'd see anything new before then...not really much of a point to spend a lot of time on anything just to start over in a week or two.
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I have noticed there isn't a lot of development for our phone. Is the reason for this there is not a lot of devs interested in this phone, or are they all just waiting for MM to come out?
Don't get me wrong, I am thankful for the devs we do have, I guess I am just used to a larger selection of roms/kernels/apps.
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I agree with your concern, however, I know once mm comes it will pick up. The 6p being released didn't help things I'm sure. This is a great bootloader unlockable phone and I am along for the ride whatever it entails. That 6p isn't enough to make me jump yet. Still I keep checking stock in case I change my mind. Lol
I agree about this phone being amazing. I guess I am used to seeing my roms and kernels since I am coming from a nexus 6. I have no doubt there will be more development once MM drops.
Coming from one plus one, development is super slow with MXP. Pretty much all phones I've owned had decent development. All the Samsung devices has more development than MXP. I'm optimistic something great will come out in the future. Just surprised we don't have more developer's on this device.
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I agree, I thought there would be a little more dev, but I am happy with the phone and with the devs we do have. They all do great work.
Well. I already have working versions of CM-based ROMs such as LiquidSmooth. But, MM is what I am waiting for to release them. Plus, the AOSP source tree does not support building for MSM8992 platforms by default i.e. without additional patching for LP. But with MM that is fixed. Once, the blobs for MM are out (for XT1575), development should pick up pace with respect to AOSP-based ROMs as well.
Is anyone else bothered by this? For a new company and new product you would think they would be up to date with firmware releases. Most other phones already have 13 or will get it this year, whereas we will have to wait maybe until June next year. Not impressed
Bummer, but not surprised
It will better to focus on bug issues more than Android versions
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Bummer, but not surprised
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Yup pretty pathetic that a new phone is already out of date lol. As long as Carl got Pei'd
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It will better to focus on bug issues more than Android versions
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Why not both?
SimMind28 said:
Is anyone else bothered by this? For a new company and new product you would think they would be up to date with firmware releases. Most other phones already have 13 or will get it this year, whereas we will have to wait maybe until June next year. Not impressed
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The Android 12 version of Nothing OS still needs work and stability.
It's not reasonable to switch to Android 13 until version 12 is completely reliable.
For info, the stable version of Android 13 has only been available for a few days, so please be patient
Sib64 said:
The Android 12 version of Nothing OS still needs work and stability.
It's not reasonable to switch to Android 13 until version 12 is completely reliable.
For info, the stable version of Android 13 has only been available for a few days, so please be patient
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Why couldn't they release the phone with stable firmware? Instead they release a glitchy phone and early adopters get to be beta testers except we dont get paid for it. At least Carl gets Pei'd
Maybe nothing Paranoid android will come with android 13...
nothing is looking to recruit several android devs currently.
for android 13 let's let a few months pass for the majority of problems to be fixed on the vanilla version of android, for the moment there are still big issues
Why didn't they recruit a big enough team before releasing the phone so all the issues could have been fixed before the phone was released?
What's the point? A few changes like icons ? We already have icon pack. I prefer having a bugless Android 12 than a full of bugs Android 13. Be patient, it requires work. If you're not, then do your own Rom based on Android 13 and share it with us. That's a one year company. It's already a miracle to sell a smartphone that fast. Being impatient isn't always a good thing man
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What's the point? A few changes like icons ? We already have icon pack. I prefer having a bugless Android 12 than a full of bugs Android 13. Be patient, it requires work. If you're not, then do your own Rom based on Android 13 and share it with us. That's a one year company. It's already a miracle to sell a smartphone that fast. Being impatient isn't always a good thing man
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That's a flawed argument. Have you ever watched a movie and thought it was bad? You're not allowed to have an opinion on a movie unless you become a director and actor and release your own movie using that logic.
Sounds like a coping strategy tbh
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That's a flawed argument. Have you ever watched a movie and thought it was bad? You're not allowed to have an opinion on a movie unless you become a director and actor and release your own movie using that logic.
Sounds like a coping strategy tbh
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Maybe, but by choosing a phone from a brand new company, you can't except to have the same speed as company like samsung or xiaomi. Talking about them, when you see that they update to next versions but that they are full of issues, I prefer not to deal with those issues. If you wanted to always have the latest version before everyone, why didn't you choose a Pixel then? You have the Pixel 6A for the same price
I'm not saying that Android 13 not before 2023 is a good new, the point is, if we have Android 13 in february but far more stable than in october with bugs everywhere, then I don't care considering the few changes between 12 and 13. On a day to day use, you won't even notice the difference
Very disappointed, expected better . Might sell and buy something else
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That's a flawed argument. Have you ever watched a movie and thought it was bad? You're not allowed to have an opinion on a movie unless you become a director and actor and release your own movie using that logic.
Sounds like a coping strategy tbh
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You're reacting like someone who wants to have everything right away and above all without any problems, and that's just not how it works in the smartphone world, especially for a start-up.
I'm not defending Nothing in any way, but I must admit that this reaction makes me wonder.
That it's Samsung with an R&D office and huge resources that ends up with smartphones that have recurring bugs and critical problems too.
I think that now we expect too much from smartphone or electronics manufacturers.
There will never be 100% reliability, it's impossible!
Have you ever been part of a team that develops roms, applications?
If so, you should know that as soon as a problem is solved, another one arises, more or less important.
So you have to go through the whole command line to see the possible error.
All this represents time, money, and a lot.
I disagree with your comment that Nothing should have had a bigger dev team.
I think you were on OnePlus before, and also criticised OP for their dev teams!
You knew when you bought a Nothing(1) phone that you would have bugs for sure!
I remind you that it was the future buyers of the Nothing Phone(1) who put pressure on Nothing to release their smartphone quickly, but I can confirm that the communication model chosen (the Nothing Hype) is also a factor and has its negative side, and I got caught up in the hype too....
So yes, the Phone(1) is a smartphone with a number of bugs, but I think it's a smartphone that will soon be reliable.
So be patient and forgiving with Nothing.
Thanks and sorry if my comment may seem harsh, but I think that you will be ok with me (I hope )
Can I suggest you to read this news from xda about the Nothing timeline for Android 13
Nothing delivers updated timeline for Android 13
I'm also very disappointed. 1.1.2 was already good enough. I find no deal Breaking bugs in ether 1.1.2 or 1.1.3. I wish they'd rather start developing android 13 directly instead of wasting time on software that is already ok enough.
Id say its a big DEPENDS if they polish the heck out of it iron out as many bugs and make it super smooth like 12 is on this phone id say its well worth the wait cuz no point in android 13 day one if its gonna lag crash etc like there's no tomorrow
Rom developers have a better chance of getting android 13 out for the nothing phone before nothing actually does
In the dev chat yesterday on Discord they said a beta would be released before the end of the year.
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In the dev chat yesterday on Discord they said a beta would be released before the end of the year.
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Still not a public release of android 13 for the nothing phone though. At this rate the phone is going to be behind. Other companies are already working on their version of android 13 which will be released way before nothing even starts working on android 13.