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Arc S build quality

I see a lot of people bragging about the build quality of the Xperia Arc/Arc S. I have a Xperia Arc S and accidentally dropped it in a river and it sat submerged at 1 meter for about a minute. I had to call to find it and it rang underwater, picked up, removed battery. I disassembled it after 2 hours and found no trace of water entering the area with the circuits. I only had to clean the headphones jack and USB port. Everything is working as new, including the speaker, which was exposed the most.
And, yes, i have the Midnight Blue one, and no cracks whatsoever and I am careless with my phone sometimes.

skipme said:
I see a lot of people bragging about the build quality of the Xperia Arc/Arc S. I have a Xperia Arc S and accidentally dropped it in a river and it sat submerged at 1 meter for about a minute. I had to call to find it and it rang underwater, picked up, removed battery. I disassembled it after 2 hours and found no trace of water entering the area with the circuits. I only had to clean the headphones jack and USB port. Everything is working as new, including the speaker, which was exposed the most.
And, yes, i have the Midnight Blue one, and no cracks whatsoever and I am careless with my phone sometimes.
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Arc S is a great phone

Only thing I can say is that you are very lucky.

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Only thing I can say is that you are very lucky.
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No, it's really that Arc S is awesome
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i also dropped my arc s from the top of stairs last night, got a little dent because of rhe railway, but okay after all

Mine is good also
I dropped my arc S onto the ground from about 1 metre a few days ago.
And only a little bit paint-off at a corner of the front.
I was impressed that no scratches or broken parts on my arc S :good:

I have an Arc S now but i am not so sure with its built quality thanks to my old Neo which after two drops and frequent battery cover removing became horrible and cheap. It was making squeaky sounds and made me sell it. Made me hate phone made with plastic. Then i got an Arc S (Still don't know what made me buy a plastic phone again, maybe its awesome design) and my experience with Neo made me buy a case and i am using the phone real carefully. I never dropped it once and only if really necessary i remove battery cover. I am sure if i used it the same way i used my Neo it would have be no much different from how my Neo was. Out of all 2011 xperias only Ray has a good solid build everything else is cheap plastic
Update: I forgot to mention the bloody plastic keys which loses its colour and looks rusted after frequent use. That happened to my Neo. I did a through research and came to the conclusion that the paint went away because i was pressing the buttons with my nails and it had starched them and took of the paint. Now with my Arc S you believe me or not i cut my nails frequently just because i don't want the same fate as my Neo for this phone, which i am starting to love.

My Arc S (with a case) survived a couple of drops between 1 to 1.5 metre, nothing major, not even a noticeable scratch.
I hope I don't have to find out if it will survive a water proof test.

^eLipS# said:
Only thing I can say is that you are very lucky.
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Port cover already becoming loose...

My phone isn't even 2 weeks old and the port cover has become loose. When I press in it stays in there for 1 second and then slowly rises back out. I checked the port hole to see if there was any lint in there but it's clean. I'm not sure what to do.

JoJo2211 said:
My phone isn't even 2 weeks old and the port cover has become loose. When I press in it stays in there for 1 second and then slowly rises back out. I checked the port hole to see if there was any lint in there but it's clean. I'm not sure what to do.
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Hi Mate,
I too worry about this. i think its a small flaw to an otherwise great phone. samsung should take a leaf from the Z2's book for this.
So i pre-ordered the wireless charging cover only to cancel it because it wont fit with my otterbox defender case.
If it breaks off you can buy one from here:
witrigs.com/oem-usb-cover-flap-for-samsung-galaxy-s5-sm-g900f
might need to stock up on a few for the life of the phone. Ive seen that others have completely removed it from the phone also.

What did you expect? Super great build quality?
It's just a 699€ phone dude!

This is the main reason I've gone for the z2 over the s5...i wanted waterproof as work outside a lot and paranoid about water ingress, even putting the phone into a coat that's wet. The flap on the z2 seems far sturdier.
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It is a pretty major flaw to the device. Having to remove it each time you charge in the car is pretty cumbersome as it stands, for it to be stressful on a flimsy cover makes it worse.
Perhaps with enough attention, Samsung could offer a recall to replace it with a sturdier part.

JoJo2211 said:
My phone isn't even 2 weeks old and the port cover has become loose. When I press in it stays in there for 1 second and then slowly rises back out. I checked the port hole to see if there was any lint in there but it's clean. I'm not sure what to do.
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My phone isn't even 2 weeks old and the port cover is fine.

You could just bring the fone to the store a ask for waranty replacement ...

Purchased a wireless charger... That should help resolve this design flaw.
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[D]Discussion (is Xperia really waterproof phone) real experience!!

Hi everyone,
My topic is about waterproof Xperia and how really it is,
Sony today insists that waterproof is joker to bring more clients,
For me i had a bad experience with Sony, First Water Resistant phone i had is Xperia Z, I tested it in water cautiously because i putted in mind that it is water resist and its never damaged, then i moved to waterproof Z1 Compact, I really loved it Very good Battery Very good Processor in Compact size,I Decided to take with me to waterfalls to take pictures and its dead for month then back to life with no back-light panel!! (All working fine just the screen's back light off)
Today I have Z2 and yesterday i do the same thing take it to waterfalls, work fine taken pic with mates without put it underwater just drizzle of waterfall; then i see back camera get vapor inside!! the phone shut down itself i try to wake it but nothing, i putted it in my t shirt till i back to home.
when i backed to home i buy rice and put it in side for 4 Hours; Vapor out from back camera, i tried to start the phone again, vibrate OK but just dark screen; immediately i switched off again and put it in again in rice (learned from some YouTube video) for a night about 12H in morning i switch it on and its working fine, i test most function working fine till now. this is my experience.
What i want to say that waterproof its just luck, Most of you will say its not Professional it's just for accidental drop, i just say its certified IP58!! but the problem its Sony don't finish their phone correctly because there is still Xperia waterproof phone work fine even in sea. for me i'll never put a phone underwater ,i'll do it again
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Confirm, Its work like charm
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i'm suffering from DOA (Dead on Arrival) From time to time, i'm not sure about source of problem(not firmware)???
best regards.

To be honest I haven't tried. But a friends Z worked fine in water even after service that were made it due to a cracked screen (official service).
But I know lots of people that have S5 have put the multiple times in sea water and they are working all fine. So to me samsung has done a better work after reading that a lot of people here have had water intrusion or even humidity.

I have owned a Xperia Z and now own a Z2! When had my Z, even though he could not be submerged in chlorinated water (pool) I put several times and still works very well in the hands of a friend to whom I sold it. My Z2 is always dirty when I wash in the shower or on tap, never had a problem!
I believe some units really should come with manufacturing problem!

I guess you have bad luck. My xperia z2 is working fine after taking underwater photos. I also wash it every week in the tap water and still nothing bad happened. Just check if flaps are correctly closed before submerging.

Indeed bad luck. Submerged mine many times in a pool to about 2 m.
As long as the flaps are properly closed it works.
Do a web search and you will find a guy in Sweden who had a phone in the Baltic for 6 weeks at 10 m and it worked.

I put my Z2 in my marine aquarium to take photos, I use it to read reddit in the shower sometimes, so far so good

I've done so many times with my z1 and z2 but my z1 got ****ed because i took it in salt water in Thailand it was not functioning properly. Then i washed it with clean water then it was fine but after 4 months the screen was gone. Then i bought z2
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I didn't tested with Z2 yet, but I always wash my previous phone Xperia V with running water if it's dirty, and last time I take it with me for boating, soaked with salt water, no problem at all, even the usb cover is loose (just the plastic link broken). battery is removable, causing less water-proof, but still no problem.
Z2 plastic covers are not tight, did you make sure it's secure before you take it to moistly area?

Had my phone in a pool, sauna, shower and wash it often to remove dirt, grease, oil etc, still works perfectly
I do however get condensation under the rear camera afterwards occasionally but it always clears up in a day or so and still works just fine
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This is pics of my properly covered old Z2 (2 weeks old), after 2-3 mins in hotel pull (1.5 m deep).
Front & rear side was full of water, and after 5-6 mins Z2 was completely dead.
I bought Z2 in authorized Sony distributor (Comtrade) in my country (Serbia).
P. S. Z2 was not constantly under water. I just made couple of pics.

I swim with my Z2 And I wash it with soap for a few times a week. You know, there're a lotta bacteriae on your phones...

V4LKyR said:
I swim with my Z2 And I wash it with soap for a few times a week. You know, there're a lotta bacteriae on your phones...
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thats not too good for the membrane covering the speakers

harrold11237 said:
thats not too good for the membrane covering the speakers
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Once I washed mine with soap! Can not ???

I have Xperia Z1.
I have been in sea water for half hour almost every second day this summer, i have lot of pictures and videos to prove.
And i didnt have a single problem with my waterproofing, i dive a little bit, up to 1 and half meter, and about 10minutes, maybe more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InN29dnyFRg
This is video from my friend, diving with his Xperia Z1 for 6minutes or more.

I had experience with Z, Z1 and now Z2 regarding water proofing and they were up to it! There might be defective devices but that doesn't mean the whole line is. Another thing is that flaps might not be closed properly or open accidently with water flushes so care should be taken with this. After pool or sea water exposure, the device should be washed with tap water and dried properly. Try applying negative pressure with your mouth on mic and speakers to remove retained droplets in them.
Here's my video under seawater......
http://youtu.be/c5JlK1Hwp3c

Water got under my camera lens and LED flash after bringing it into the shower. It completely dried up after 3 days though. However I'm guessing this was due to a manufacturing defect. Other than that, the phone's waterproof is rock solid reliable as my phone still operates perfectly.
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I have had my Z2 for around 3 months now, went to the beach, swam in the sea and had shower with the phone, and it still works like a charm.
I even put it in my short's pocket at the beach and swam for more than 30 minutes before I put it out, no issues.
the Z2 is a true beast underwater in my opinion.

My work fine after alot of water action on a pool. I use it for a while underwater too since friends want to take pictures and videos for there facebook
Just make sure you close the lil side covers and you would be good.
Btw I notice that they are attach by a lil plastic stringy thing. Would that think hold for the lifetime of the phone are would i have problems with it. Cause by the way I see it they dont look like they would last long.

Xperia Z3 D6633 Bend Gate

I got my phone on the 12/26 and on 12/30 I noticed that it's bent rather severely at the power button and going up.. I was able to bend it back mostly but the frame now has a small crease at the power button Not sure how it happened. Must be that the dual sim port weakened the frame. It seems to take less effort than in the Iphone 6 plus videos. Guys, be careful with your phones.
I am going to contact Sony about a replacement or repair since it only the frame that is affected. I'm not holding my breath since it's an international phone and not sold in the States.
Such a shame, I really love the phone.

gedster314 said:
I got my phone on the 12/26 and on 12/30 I noticed that it's bent rather severely at the power button and going up.. I was able to bend it back mostly but the frame now has a small crease at the power button Not sure how it happened. Must be that the dual sim port weakened the frame. It seems to take less effort than in the Iphone 6 plus videos. Guys, be careful with your phones.
I am going to contact Sony about a replacement or repair since it only the frame that is affected. I'm not holding my breath since it's an international phone and not sold in the States.
Such a shame, I really love the phone.
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Do you put the phone in your pants/jeans pockets? I carry it in my pockets a lot (not with jeans), but haven't had any issues. It could be a D6633 thing.

I put it in my back pocket. I usually do remove before sitting. I have been doing the back pocket thing with all my Samsung phones (G2, G3, Note2) and my OnePlusOne without issue. I don't want to make a big deal out it with a Youtube video, just want it fixed and change my habit.

gedster314 said:
I put it in my back pocket. I usually do remove before sitting. I have been doing the back pocket thing with all my Samsung phones (G2, G3, Note2) and my OnePlusOne without issue. I don't want to make a big deal out it with a Youtube video, just want it fixed and change my habit.
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It only takes one time sitting on it to bend... Most of those other phones are plastic, and will actually bend back into their previous state. Where as the metal band around the Z3 is malleable and will still where you bend it(If bent enough)
I don't think there's anything to be fixed, it's just a draw back of making phones so big and thing.
I keep mine in my front jeans pocket all of the time, although I do adjust it or take it out if I feel it's tight.

gedster314 said:
I put it in my back pocket. I usually do remove before sitting. I have been doing the back pocket thing with all my Samsung phones (G2, G3, Note2) and my OnePlusOne without issue. I don't want to make a big deal out it with a Youtube video, just want it fixed and change my habit.
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I was able to bend the phone back and got scary pop as the glass reseated itself. The phone is now perfectly straight against a straight edge. Now the only complaint is the tiny crease at the power button. Hardly noticeable but I can feel it and I know its there. Looks like a bumper case or TPU case are in my future in order to hide the crease.
I will make sure my next phone has a strong mid plate like my Samsungs, OPO and OPPO have.

Just noticed that mine is bent too. Never got it in my pockets. Only in my jacket where there is enough space.
Just put the phone on a real flat surface and the bottom right end lifts slightly higher. Quite disappointed at that point for a phone at such a price, this shouldn't be happening!

I always put my phone on the front right pocket of my jeans and I have never bent any phone regardless of size (max is 5.2 inch) I'd say its more comfortable to put it in the front than in the back pockets. Never have to worry about sitting on it and quick access to it.
I don't like how news site emphasize "bendgate" and trying to make the phone and brand look bad. Every phone can bend depending on where it is placed.
*Of course assuming that you are using a case. I'm using a case for the Xperia Z3 and protects it fine from this bendgate phenomenon.

No bends on my Tmo Z3. I've had mine since late October, and it's an many pants pockets and much sitting.

Still no reply from Sony, it is the Holidays though.

GhostRaiderMX said:
I always put my phone on the front right pocket of my jeans and I have never bent any phone regardless of size (max is 5.2 inch) I'd say its more comfortable to put it in the front than in the back pockets. Never have to worry about sitting on it and quick access to it.
I don't like how news site emphasize "bendgate" and trying to make the phone and brand look bad. Every phone can bend depending on where it is placed.
*Of course assuming that you are using a case. I'm using a case for the Xperia Z3 and protects it fine from this bendgate phenomenon.
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Me too.
And it fall down three times without any case for the phone. And nothing happen, no scratch, damage. Sometimes i put the phone out of the case.
I agree with you, about the news.

I have the 6603 and while on holiday it has bent in exactly the same way as in OPs post, though I keep mine in the front pocket. Pretty disappointed as it was in a case too, have never had another phone bend. Will be contacting my phone provider after the weekend to try get it replaced, as the bluetooth doesn't work either (never did)... Shame about the build quality on these first batches of phones.

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*Of course assuming that you are using a case. I'm using a case for the Xperia Z3 and protects it fine from this bendgate phenomenon.
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Kinda off topic but can I ask what case are you using?

gedster314 said:
I got my phone on the 12/26 and on 12/30 I noticed that it's bent rather severely at the power button and going up.. I was able to bend it back mostly but the frame now has a small crease at the power button Not sure how it happened. Must be that the dual sim port weakened the frame. It seems to take less effort than in the Iphone 6 plus videos. Guys, be careful with your phones.
I am going to contact Sony about a replacement or repair since it only the frame that is affected. I'm not holding my breath since it's an international phone and not sold in the States.
Such a shame, I really love the phone.
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You have pictures?

No, I was more concerned with straightening the phone. Next time I bend it, I'll take pics. I'm sure it will bend again.

same problem
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You have pictures?
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My phone also only 1 month old has bent and blue tooth not working. This phone is not fit for purpose if so many phones are bending. The frame is not strong enough for the size of the phone! will be contaxcting Sony and Kogan for remedy otherwise Dept of Consumer affairs. Plenty of evidence here this is a fault with this phone.

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My phone also only 1 month old has bent and blue tooth not working. This phone is not fit for purpose if so many phones are bending. The frame is not strong enough for the size of the phone! will be contaxcting Sony and Kogan for remedy otherwise Dept of Consumer affairs. Plenty of evidence here this is a fault with this phone.
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I have my phone since Ocotber, always rides in my front pocket. No bending so far. It's not the phone, it's the user.

It must be a joke. Can't see how it is possible to bend this phone. Unless you do it on purpose of course.

Its definitely possible, the thinner phones get this becomes a bigger problem as the side "wall" for lack of a better word is important in resisting bending in addition to the internal frame. The front pocket can also create a a significant enough force when walking to bend it people just don't realize this.
Plastic is actually much better than metal for such thin phones as it bounces back to form. This a price to pay when people perceive metal (in this case aluminium which bends easily) as somehow being "premium" over plastics. At least people aren't asking for granite phones lol.

I have the D6603, Today i found it bent and i attempted to bend it back and the metal frame (near the dock connection) just popped out, (Attached an image) Luckily i contacted the retailer and they said they'll replace/refund/repair it

Wow, you are lucky, I would not expect them to that. I have been in situations where I slept on the phone and tight jeans, so far no issues though I was worried.

First cracked back panel

It seems there is no end to the z5 misfortunes. For me, it's like 5 min I decide to order the compact, then I read another piece of bad news. Then I think it can't be that bad and what other choice of compact waterproof phone do I have, then I read another piece of bad news, and so on. Anyway, Verge reports a cracked back panel. Looks just like my z3 compact.
www.theverge.com/2015/10/8/9480135/sony-xperia-z5-broken-glass-back
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The Z5C doesn't have a glass back, so happy days.

radjad said:
The Z5C doesn't have a glass back, so happy days.
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Yes it does, frosted glass.

Both sides need to have plastic or temped protection cover
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Its normal you hear all this negative stuff because first thing that people do is when they find something negative and see if the problem can be fixed. When the phone is working fine those people dont care to write a topic or comment.

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Its normal you hear all this negative stuff because first thing that people do is when they find something negative and see if the problem can be fixed. When the phone is working fine those people dont care to write a topic or comment.
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That's very true but it also doesn't mean that it is not happening often. There were lots of reports with the z3 series. I was hoping that this spontaneous crack issue would be solved
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Although in this case it is unclear if it was spontaneous or not. He reports that he has an iPhone dock with metal edges on his desk and wonders if the phone might have landed partly on it at a bad angle.
Mind, cracks should still not happen even under such conditions. But it is something different than cracking on its own - this you can at least try to prevent by being careful and/or using a case.
O course, IMO a glass back is still a workbook example of form over function. I much much rather have a "non-premium" plastic back and not having to worry about the back side breaking than the reverse situation.

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Although in this case it is unclear if it was spontaneous or not. He reports that he has an iPhone dock with metal edges on his desk and wonders if the phone might have landed partly on it at a bad angle.
Mind, cracks should still not happen even under such conditions. But it is something different than cracking on its own - this you can at least try to prevent by being careful and/or using a case.
O course, IMO a glass back is still a workbook example of form over function. I much much rather have a "non-premium" plastic back and not having to worry about the back side breaking than the reverse situation.
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Yea dont know why they like to bash on sony while it could be a user that doesn't know his stuff. We all know them people at the verge are never happy with a phone unless its a iphone.

well, we had bend gate with an iphone and we have glass gate with z5c - its food for haters

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Yea dont know why they like to bash on sony while it could be a user that doesn't know his stuff. We all know them people at the verge are never happy with a phone unless its a iphone.
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Or it could be a real issue. It certainly was with the Z3c. I quite often do not agree with the reviews on verge, but automatically disqualifying something because it is posted on that site is a bit too much like fanboyism for me.
Also, someone who is "putting a phone on a table so it accidentally lands at a bad angle on another object" is for me very much not "a user that doesn't know his stuff". Sorry, but a phone which cannot take *that* without getting damaged simply has a design error.
Lets wait an see. It could be an isolated incident or it could be like with its predecessor something relatively common. I for my part will wait till at least Christmas before I but a Z5c. I really want for it to succeed - because if it doesn't we can probably say goodbye to any good android phones sub-5" - but I won't buy it if I have to be afraid it gets damaged each time I do not handle it with kids gloves.

I'm definitely a Sony Xperia fan boy. I love the compacts. I wish they would make compact waterproof phones forever. But even I confess the z3 compact cracked back panel was not just a Crackgate. It was very much real. I really hope it won't be an issue for my soon to order z5 compact.
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I'm definitely a Sony Xperia fan boy. I love the compacts. I wish they would make compact waterproof phones forever. But even I confess the z3 compact cracked back panel was not just a Crackgate. It was very much real. I really hope it won't be an issue for my soon to order z5 compact.
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new one still seem waterproof
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0X2jSk_5uKY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEpNfOZ_vx4
And i got my z5c today to replace my z3c and i love it! The fingerprint scanner is such a win!

Well I just absolutely annihilated the backing on my two week old z5c.
Carrying boxes, slipped from thigh height onto cement and now looks like a bomb site.
Spiderweb cracks across half the back, glass splinters coming out everywhere.
I know concrete = bad but at least my RAZR m I'm writing from survived that for over a year, including concrete drops, before I put a case on it.
But Christ that back glass is anything but tough.
For the love of god either have insurance or put a case on it. This phone is slippery in any circumstance and one hard surface will ruin your day.
Hoping Sony will be helpful with repairs when I call tomorrow.
Love my phone, hate that they made it this fragile

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Well I just absolutely annihilated the backing on my two week old z5c.
Carrying boxes, slipped from thigh height onto cement and now looks like a bomb site.
Spiderweb cracks across half the back, glass splinters coming out everywhere.
I know concrete = bad but at least my RAZR m I'm writing from survived that for over a year, including concrete drops, before I put a case on it.
But Christ that back glass is anything but tough.
For the love of god either have insurance or put a case on it. This phone is slippery in any circumstance and one hard surface will ruin your day.
Hoping Sony will be helpful with repairs when I call tomorrow.
Love my phone, hate that they made it this fragile
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be happy its just the back tho because the back is easy to replace.

My z5c back just broke.
Took it in my hand. Did nothing.
Heard a click and there it was.

The upside of glass its alot more scratch resistance from plastic even from aluminium
the down side is more sensitive to high heat\cold changes and hits can stutter it more easily
i'vgot silicon case

Well, my Z5C back glass is now a spiderweb of shattered lines. Questions:
1. Where exactly can I get my hands on the original Sony back cover? Even though I am willing to pay Sony in the US to have it replaced, they are telling me they don't have availability to perform out-of-warranty work. They'll call me when they have availability. (Huh?!?)
2. Is the glass back itself part of the waterproofing membrane? When I watched the tear down video of the Z5C, it appears that there is a plastic membrane on the inside surface of the glass back. My basic inquiry is if the shattered back glass in itself renders the phone non-waterproof, or if it is still waterproof?
Thanks!

StHalcyon said:
Well, my Z5C back glass is now a spiderweb of shattered lines. Questions:
1. Where exactly can I get my hands on the original Sony back cover? Even though I am willing to pay Sony in the US to have it replaced, they are telling me they don't have availability to perform out-of-warranty work. They'll call me when they have availability. (Huh?!?)
2. Is the glass back itself part of the waterproofing membrane? When I watched the tear down video of the Z5C, it appears that there is a plastic membrane on the inside surface of the glass back. My basic inquiry is if the shattered back glass in itself renders the phone non-waterproof, or if it is still waterproof?
Thanks!
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1. Try Ebay. In europe they are around 10€, much cheaper if you order them from china, however i don't think they are all original. Look for the SONY logo in the middle of the glas.
2. I would say yes. The membrane you saw is probably the adhesive of the back panel https://www.ifixit.com/Store/Parts/Sony-Xperia-Z5-Compact-Back-Cover-Adhesive/IF312-102 if the glas is broken inside the adhesive it should be no more waterproof.
However you can test it by yourself:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/z5-compact/general/water-resistant-waterproofing-testing-t3463969

Gewiz said:
1. Try Ebay. In europe they are around 10€, much cheaper if you order them from china, however i don't think they are all original. Look for the SONY logo in the middle of the glas.
2. I would say yes. The membrane you saw is probably the adhesive of the back panel https://www.ifixit.com/Store/Parts/Sony-Xperia-Z5-Compact-Back-Cover-Adhesive/IF312-102 if the glas is broken inside the adhesive it should be no more waterproof.
However you can test it by yourself:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/z5-compact/general/water-resistant-waterproofing-testing-t3463969
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Thanks, but I am afraid to order from eBay, because based on seller reviews, there were many people complaining that they either did not get the item after purchase, or the NFC won't work. Many of the sellers blur/censor out the Sony mark. Not quite sure why, but it makes me think that these are not original items.

StHalcyon said:
Thanks, but I am afraid to order from eBay, because based on seller reviews, there were many people complaining that they either did not get the item after purchase, or the NFC won't work. Many of the sellers blur/censor out the Sony mark. Not quite sure why, but it makes me think that these are not original items.
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Never had problems on ebay, sometimes on aliexpress. But till now, everytime when the order didn't arrive, i got a full refund without any problem. So i think it worth a try.
Of course when a seller blur out the logo its normally a bad sign and i would look for another dealer.