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Sony Xperia Z4, Z4 Tablet, Z4 Compact, Z4 Ultra: Exclusive Leak

So the Z4 Compact phone is going to remain 4.6" display, but being bumped to 1920 x 1080 HD. That is awesome. The 10" tablet specs sound amazing, unfortunately, I prefer the 8" tablet size.
Sony Xperia Z4, Z4 Tablet, Z4 Compact, Z4 Ultra: Exclusive Leak

kandelai said:
So the Z4 Compact phone is going to remain 4.6" display, but being bumped to 1920 x 1080 HD. That is awesome. The 10" tablet specs sound amazing, unfortunately, I prefer the 8" tablet size.
Sony Xperia Z4, Z4 Tablet, Z4 Compact, Z4 Ultra: Exclusive Leak
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a 1080p resolution on a 4.6 display is a total waste. After ~320ppi anything else will just consume more power with no visual benefit.

jug6ernaut said:
a 1080p resolution on a 4.6 display is a total waste. After ~320ppi anything else will just consume more power with no visual benefit.
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I totally agree. I think the current 720p screen is beautiful, and if it means subtracting from the awesome battery life (unless battery specs change in Z4C), then it is a total waste. I think they are doing it for the higher pixel density crowd. It is the only negative potential buyers see on the phone because of the new push for higher resolution. I was even turned off initially thinking it was just another watered down compact phone, until I read the reviews in detail of how awesome the display is and all the other specs.

Ahh to get a Z3C or to wait.
I'm more interested in the new sensor for the camera
So im assuming the 801 to 810 is a huge jump.
Wonder what the battery life will be like too.
Im all for increased battery life

It doesn't sound like a dead cert the the Z4 will be coming out in compact form. Sony does usually skip a model with the compact versions.
But the changes rumored for the regular Z4 will be awesome -- Qi charging, exposed micro USB port, no more dedicated magnetic charging port (which will make cases much simpler). That is basically my list of what could be improved on the Z3. Now if only Sony would tell us it will have Gorilla Glass on both sides :laugh:

So I bought a brand new device day one a month ago and now the successor is announced it's a strange world we're living in....

King p1n said:
Ahh to get a Z3C or to wait.
I'm more interested in the new sensor for the camera
So im assuming the 801 to 810 is a huge jump.
Wonder what the battery life will be like too.
Im all for increased battery life
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Since Sony is producing flagships every 6 months, you can wait forever there will always follow a better one

cyphomatic said:
Since Sony is producing flagships every 6 months, you can wait forever there will always follow a better one
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The Z4 will be the start of yearly flagships

jug6ernaut said:
a 1080p resolution on a 4.6 display is a total waste. After ~320ppi anything else will just consume more power with no visual benefit.
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That's only true if you have average eyesight and you are at least 12" away from the screen. I use my phone and can readily distinguish pixels on my z1c (and its slightly-denser-than-z3c 720p screen) in a variety of situations. There are further issues for rendering most eastern languages, where they can take advantage of >500ppi screens quite easily.
Yes, there are tradeoffs involved, including potentially less battery life, but to say there is "no visual benefit" is simply ignorant. I will welcome the sharper screen, and I know I am not the only one.

jug6ernaut said:
a 1080p resolution on a 4.6 display is a total waste. After ~320ppi anything else will just consume more power with no visual benefit.
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teiglin said:
That's only true if you have average eyesight and you are at least 12" away from the screen. I use my phone and can readily distinguish pixels on my z1c (and its slightly-denser-than-z3c 720p screen) in a variety of situations. There are further issues for rendering most eastern languages, where they can take advantage of >500ppi screens quite easily.
Yes, there are tradeoffs involved, including potentially less battery life, but to say there is "no visual benefit" is simply ignorant. I will welcome the sharper screen, and I know I am not the only one.
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I have better-than-average eyesight (about 20-15), and I can barely distinguish individual pixels on my Z3C, and only when holding it too close to my face to actually use. I would consider anything over 300 PPI good enough, and anything over 350 PPI perfect.
The Z4C being 1080p might be a disappointment if it results in a loss of battery life, but maybe they'll improve their battery tech enough to make up for it. In any case, wireless charging will be very nice to have.

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I keep hearing that but do you have a source?
Personally the upgrades I want to see in the upcoming Z4C/Z5C are:
Wireless charging/ waterproof usb port
Better camera/curved lens/OIS
Atleast 32GB base storage + sd
Better front facing speakers
MORE battery life
I'm fine with 720p at 4.6 but 1080p would be nice if the battery is increased and the hardware is improved to match (Although imagine an 810 with a 720p screen :laugh: )
3GB+ RAM SD 810 or better, yada yada

AK4TAY7BEN said:
I keep hearing that but do you have a source?
Personally the upgrades I want to see in the upcoming Z4C/Z5C are:
Wireless charging/ waterproof usb port
Better camera/curved lens/OIS
Atleast 32GB base storage + sd
Better front facing speakers
MORE battery life
I'm fine with 720p at 4.6 but 1080p would be nice if the battery is increased and the hardware is improved to match (Although imagine an 810 with a 720p screen :laugh: )
3GB+ RAM SD 810 or better, yada yada
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Don't have the link at hand but the same website said last month that's what their source revealed to them.

Well they could always do what AMD and nVidia do.... rebadge old products.... Then Z3 becomes Z4 compact .

mattdm said:
I have better-than-average eyesight (about 20-15), and I can barely distinguish individual pixels on my Z3C, and only when holding it too close to my face to actually use. I would consider anything over 300 PPI good enough, and anything over 350 PPI perfect.
The Z4C being 1080p might be a disappointment if it results in a loss of battery life, but maybe they'll improve their battery tech enough to make up for it. In any case, wireless charging will be very nice to have.
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I also have great eyesight and can easily spot the inferior display. But has anyone compared the Z3C to the One m7? I couldn't believe my own eyes when I compared the same HD YouTube video on each display only to see that the Z3C blew the m7 away! ?

Issemann said:
I also have great eyesight and can easily spot the inferior display. But has anyone compared the Z3C to the One m7? I couldn't believe my own eyes when I compared the same HD YouTube video on each display only to see that the Z3C blew the m7 away! ��
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There are many things to improve (constrast,brightness etc) in a screen and let's hope they focus on these.
Anyway stuff that i want to see in the upcoming Z4C:
-Same footprint device with 4.6-4.8'' screen @ 720p resolution
-S805,3GB ram 32GB storage+SD
-Better camera and if possible OIS
-2800mah battery
-IR Blaster
-Dual sim
-Single covered port for sim/sd card and water resistant USB port so we can find a decent case
-Matte back as in Z3 tablet compact
-And of course Lollipop out of the box

Invalid_GR said:
There are many things to improve (constrast,brightness etc) in a screen and let's hope they focus on these.
Anyway stuff that i want to see in the upcoming Z4C:
-Same footprint 4.6-4.8'' screen size 720p resolution
-S805,3GB ram 32GB storage+SD
-Better camera and if possible OIS
-2800mah battery
-IR Blaster
-Dual sim
-Single covered port for sim/sd card and not protect usb port so we can find a decent case
-Matte back as in Z3 tablet compact
-And of course Lollipop out of the box
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I would buy this phone in a heartbeat.

EYeah ! Lag will be impossible with that Chipset and
720 but I think they will go higher res anyway.
I do not care if the phone is 10mm thick I want at least a
3000 mah battery.
This Z4 if ruggedly built may be a 2 year type phone , so
wonderfully overspecced.
Hope it's rugged Device and fully engineered Camera this time with digital and OIS.
I will pay tops for this, then I won't wish for a Note 4 Compact / Alpha type thing....
Love to see a full 810 in a Compact !
More wattage than HTC Speakers and maybe Kevlar Drivers like tiny studio monitors -already waterproof.

I'm not sure such wish lists of components and features will ever actually fit in such a small phone. But we can dream :laugh:

Actually I think this can be produced given the fact that since 2 years the motherboard is smaller and smaller :thumbup:
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I really hope there is no compact with the next release but If the z4c is real, I'll be broke again.. Damn you Sony!
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xperia z4

http://www.xda-developers.com/sony-xperia-z4-unveiled-in-japan/
So according to those news, the camera on z4 will be the same as z3's with some small software improvements.This could be something big, raw or more manual settings perhaps even better whitebalance.I don't think raw functionality could be ported but atleast we'd have a better camera app if the news aren't lying.
What's your opinion on this? How satisfied are you with the current camera app we've got?

Not worth the upgrade. The 810 SoC is really bad on battery and has tons of issue with overheating. Plus smaller battery? No thanks. I'll stick with my Z2. Still performs flawless so far and looks the same as the Z4.

My upgrade is due in August i have been hoping it would be about the right time for the Z4 ,
But i just was hoping for better after all i did not bother with the z3 because it the same as i already have,,,,,

xxlikquidxx said:
Not worth the upgrade. The 810 SoC is really bad on battery and has tons of issue with overheating. Plus smaller battery? No thanks. I'll stick with my Z2. Still performs flawless so far and looks the same as the Z4.
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Exactly, though if it does have the same camera but with improved software, it would benefit us z2 users.
@lodger
Z2 is a decent flagship, I don't think an upgrade is neccessary however if you do upgrade don't go for Z4, snapdragon 810 has overheating issues, it will have smaller battery plus more power consumption.
Go for S6 or S6 edge.I know samsung has quality issues but those two are premium phones.They don't have snapdragon afterall, rumor says samsung tried 810 but couldn't deal with the heat so they used their own chipset which has great battery/performance.

so the official words is this will be called the Z3+, not the Z4.
Source: http://www.theverge.com/2015/5/26/8659357/sony-xperia-z3-plus-specs-features-release-date
Time to switch to LG G4.

I'll be sticking with the Z2 thanks, until ara comes out at least

the Z3+ supports alot of manual settings like Manual Focus,shutter speed,ISO and white balance.So there is hope for us too. ( :

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This makes me happy, manual controls is what is needed on a phone with a good camera

manual control is introduced for the z3+ but still no raw support
check this video
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ng9Cqcs2-CA

Thats disapointing
Raw support would make my college work so much easier.
Lets hope sony bring raw mode

Someone will mod and port those settings to Z2!
Still Z3+ isn't a worthy update. A true Z4 with 820 SOC when it comes.
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How do you all know if the Z4 have heating issues, do you have it ? No the device isn't out yet so you all cant complain, Sony fix that probarly till the release and if someone have the Z4 then we can talk about it and please dont say Samsung is a quality phone since they have the s6, Sony is a better quality phone and for sure a better design, let samsung stick on thier plastic devices !

every phone that has a S810 built in has been hot till now. And if not it's been throttling down like hell.
Even this Chinaphone (name forgotten sorry) which had 5 patent's pending on cooling technology and said they will get the dragon tamed failed.
and from a material point of view glass is not really a good material for heat transportation. I don't expect any kind of Magic from Sony in this case.
But yeah, we will see that with the first reviews
btw Camera.... we have a IMX220 sensor in our Z2 right? Same as Z3...
Z4 will also get this one or the 16MP IMX240 as in SGS6 and Note4, with native 16:9 resolution.
Though the IMX230 is said to ship in April 2015.... still 4:3 and some pretty neat features.
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/201411/14-112E/

http://www.androidauthority.com/qualcomm-snapdragon-810-benchmark-no-overheating-587303/

You do realise that "MDP" stands for Mobile Development Platform and is especially made by Qualcomm?

sold my Z2 and upgraded to a LG G4 international unlocked model. Couldn't be happier. Best upgrade ever. Everything is better than the Z2 and the camera is way more advance than Sony's camera.

http://m.pocketnow.com/2015/06/09/snapdragon-810-v2-1

Verizon is introducing
http://m.gsmarena.com/a_verizonexclusive_xperia_z4v_is_coming_to_america-news-12672.php
@):- Being Practical ~o)

Z5 Compact competition? Sharp Aquos XX 2

Recently released with very little fanfare, unsure of global availability.
4.7" display, Snapdragon 808, 3gb RAM, 1080p Display, 2800mha battery, 13 MP camera, Water and dust resistant.
Could call it a Z5 compact pro?
http://gsminsider.com/2015/10/sharp...ecifications-features-price-and-availability/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFyIN6cxuWM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTguV9v9acc

I wouldn't call it a compact pro, snapdragon 808 is far from the 810, the 100 mAh difference won't counter the fact that need it needs to drive four times as many pixels but the IGZO screen might help a bit but I rather go with the IPS screen. While the Z5 series camera seems to have some issues (most likely software) 13MP is a far cry from 23. The RAM is nice but doubt it will do much difference in the long run.
I could maybe see it as an alternative to the Z5C but it is in no way it's superior, it's also IP67 (from what info I can find) which is a far cry from IP65 and IP68 even though Sony has gone back a bit on their marketing for it.

Very nice little phone but like they said above, that FHD display will require more juice to run, despite being IGZO. I seriously don't feel a need for more pixels on the Z5 display, it looks great already and I'd rather the GPU performance and battery life be boosted than just more pixels. It's also a shame about the 16GB internal storage. The RAM is the only real specification that makes me envious, even then I'm quite content with the Z5C multitasking so far. It's great to see another high-spec compact phone though.
What's Sharp's track record with OS updates like? That's the real question here I think. Sony has proven to support their Z series well and we already know they are busy working on the Marshmallow update.

its no competition because sharp only aims for the asian market.

There needs to be more competition in this market. I'm still plenty satisfied with my Z3C and while neither the Z5C nor the Aquos Compact are a big enough step up for me to consider upgrading, I'm glad that another player as entered.
I held an old HTC Incredible S the other day and it felt oh so good! If HTC could just get their heads of out their butts and develop a decent phone again (not a phablet), I would run back to them in a hurry.

boojay said:
I held an old HTC Incredible S the other day and it felt oh so good! If HTC could just get their heads of out their butts and develop a decent phone again (not a phablet), I would run back to them in a hurry.
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I had a Samsung Captivate 5 years ago and remember seeing an Incredible around that time. It really felt amazing in the hand and it made me jealous.
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Woza72 said:
Recently released with very little fanfare, unsure of global availability.
4.7" display, Snapdragon 808, 3gb RAM, 1080p Display, 2800mha battery, 13 MP camera, Water and dust resistant.
Could call it a Z5 compact pro?
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I would be even more interested in the Z5C if it had those specs. I don't understand why the Compact is still the only real flagship in a smaller size. No one else seems interested in competing with Sony.

I'm jealous of the Camara opening speed. Lol
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I actually bought a sharp aquos shv31 that was a hare smaller than my z1 compact, and a beautiful full 1080p display. Problem is they lock the apn to their austrailan market and apparently use some onerous anti-root methods that no one has broken it open. I have to send back as its useless with no data, but I totally love the sharp phone otherwise. I really wish they would put out an unlocked version, as I ended up buying a z5 compact to replace my z1c, and already waiting to hate the fact I'm going to lose most of its features when I unlock/root it.
Damn sony and their drm.

supercakefish said:
Very nice little phone but like they said above, that FHD display will require more juice to run, despite being IGZO. I seriously don't feel a need for more pixels on the Z5 display, it looks great already and I'd rather the GPU performance and battery life be boosted than just more pixels. It's also a shame about the 16GB internal storage. The RAM is the only real specification that makes me envious, even then I'm quite content with the Z5C multitasking so far. It's great to see another high-spec compact phone though.
What's Sharp's track record with OS updates like? That's the real question here I think. Sony has proven to support their Z series well and we already know they are busy working on the Marshmallow update.
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Oh shoot, It's cakefish from NotebookReview. I knew your profile icon looked familiar.

mbutash said:
I actually bought a sharp aquos shv31 that was a hare smaller than my z1 compact, and a beautiful full 1080p display. Problem is they lock the apn to their austrailan market and apparently use some onerous anti-root methods that no one has broken it open. I have to send back as its useless with no data, but I totally love the sharp phone otherwise. I really wish they would put out an unlocked version, as I ended up buying a z5 compact to replace my z1c, and already waiting to hate the fact I'm going to lose most of its features when I unlock/root it.
Damn sony and their drm.
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Yes, I also owned Z1c and Z5c now. Was also looking forward on sharp phones but nowadays they are very hard to root, so a no go to me.

X Compact vs XZ1 compact SOT

Good day.
Has anyone had the oportunity to compare XC vs XZ1C SOT?
I am thinking in replacing my stupid Galaxy S8 and get a smaller phone.
Trying to decide between XC or XZ1C. I simply loved the battery life of my good old Z3 Compact

I was in the same boat and went with the XC because it was half the price and I prefer Nougat over Oreo. Also, the XZ1 has no FM radio.
The XZ1 looks nicer and has a more premium case which isn't a fingerprint magnet and the volume buttons are positioned higher up so easier to use. Camera is better too and it has more RAM and a faster chipset but the 3GB XC RAM and mid-range chipset is plenty fast for me.
Battery on the XZ1 is better too but the XC battery life is also excellent, I comfortably get two days out of mine and can stretch it to 3 with light usage. Haven't done a direct comparison of screen-on-time but I had my XZ1 for a week and didn't think it was worth £400. For me, it came down to price and Sony getting rid of their useful customisations in Oreo. At least with the XC you have the option to upgrade (or not) to Oreo.

Dark_Horse said:
I was in the same boat and went with the XC because it was half the price and I prefer Nougat over Oreo. Also, the XZ1 has no FM radio.
The XZ1 looks nicer and has a more premium case which isn't a fingerprint magnet and the volume buttons are positioned higher up so easier to use. Camera is better too and it has more RAM and a faster chipset but the 3GB XC RAM and mid-range chipset is plenty fast for me.
Battery on the XZ1 is better too but the XC battery life is also excellent, I comfortably get two days out of mine and can stretch it to 3 with light usage. Haven't done a direct comparison of screen-on-time but I had my XZ1 for a week and didn't think it was worth £400. For me, it came down to price and Sony getting rid of their useful customisations in Oreo. At least with the XC you have the option to upgrade (or not) to Oreo.
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Even though I can't see what's missed in Oreo in comparison to Nougat, I agree with everything else that you've written.

kwstas 13 said:
Even thought I can't see what's missed in Oreo in comparison to Nougat, I agree with everything else that you've written.
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if price doesn't matter for you get the xz1c cause
- It has way better graphical performance
- One more year of official software support
- better material and more premium
- better front camera + 4k video recording
- trust me, xc speakers are ****...
otherwise:
- cpu performance and daily usage is 99% the same experience (no lag and no ram issue in Xc)
- xc has a more vibrant display (just due to different calibrations from sony)
almost same battery performance
- xc has exactly the same gpu performance as the S8 (due to lower spec gpu but also lower resolution display)
- you might wanna wait and see if sony brings a better compact phone in 2018 cause XZ1c doesnt quite nail it and s8 is a beautiful phone...

Kianush said:
if price doesn't matter for you get the xz1c cause
- It has way better graphical performance
- One more year of official software support
- better material and more premium
- better front camera + 4k video recording
- trust me, xc speakers are ****...
otherwise:
- cpu performance and daily usage is 99% the same experience (no lag and no ram issue in Xc)
- xc has a more vibrant display (just due to different calibrations from sony)
almost same battery performance
- xc has exactly the same gpu performance as the S8 (due to lower spec gpu but also lower resolution display)
- you might wanna wait and see if sony brings a better compact phone in 2018 cause XZ1c doesnt quite nail it and s8 is a beautiful phone...
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Also, XZ1 have waterproof (IP68/IP66), gorilla glass 5 and bluetooth 5.0 ( quadruples the wireless transmission range, boosts the broadcast messaging ability by 800% and doubles the data speed capacity, real compatibility with lossless uncompressed quality with bluetooh headphones)
XC have water resistant (check on youtube), scratch resistant (no specs). The only benefit is that XC have stock Sony option of double tap to wake up and to sleep, which XZ1 doesnt.
XZ1 compact on ebay 450$
XC on Amazon 320$
XZ2 Compact (after MWC 2018) 699$ expected

Good day.
Thank you all very much for your reply.
XZ2 Compact will be anounced in MWC 2018?
I just wanted a good fast compact phone. No other brand offers that, other than Sony. Money is not a issue here.
I'm no Samsung fanboy, and I like Galaxy S8 very much, it is a beautiful phone, excelent camera, the software has all the things i need and never thought to root to add new function.
But it has a so so battery life, it's too big for my hand and impratical, useless fingerprint sensor, and is very fragile (last week it fell to the ground with the cover and the screen shatered. 300euros for repairs)
I have been looking around in this forum and Xz1C one, and it seems that Xz1c forum is still very dormant. As i want to root the phone, XC has the possibility to backup DRM keys, in case i want to send for warranty and there is much more mods for XC.
What's keeping me from buying XC is that battery endurance rating is 73h, worse that Galaxy S8, vs 108h for the XZ1C as stated in GSM Arena. And the loudness of the speakers.
If XZ2 Compact really will be anounced in MWC 2018, about 10 days from now, think i'll wait to see if it is worth it. (rumors say that XZ2C will be 5" screen, fingerprint sensor in the back and no 3.5mm earphone plug, and those for me are a no go)
Thank you.

Hansoliv said:
Good day.
Thank you all very much for your reply.
XZ2 Compact will be anounced in MWC 2018?
I just wanted a good fast compact phone. No other brand offers that, other than Sony. Money is not a issue here.
I'm no Samsung fanboy, and I like Galaxy S8 very much, it is a beautiful phone, excelent camera, the software has all the things i need and never thought to root to add new function.
But it has a so so battery life, it's too big for my hand and impratical, useless fingerprint sensor, and is very fragile (last week it fell to the ground with the cover and the screen shatered. 300euros for repairs)
I have been looking around in this forum and Xz1C one, and it seems that Xz1c forum is still very dormant. As i want to root the phone, XC has the possibility to backup DRM keys, in case i want to send for warranty and there is much more mods for XC.
What's keeping me from buying XC is that battery endurance rating is 73h, worse that Galaxy S8, vs 108h for the XZ1C as stated in GSM Arena. And the loudness of the speakers.
If XZ2 Compact really will be anounced in MWC 2018, about 10 days from now, think i'll wait to see if it is worth it. (rumors say that XZ2C will be 5" screen, fingerprint sensor in the back and no 3.5mm earphone plug, and those for me are a no go)
Thank you.
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If I were you, I'd definately wait for MWC 2018 (7 days patience).

Hansoliv said:
Good day.
What's keeping me from buying XC is that battery endurance rating is 73h, worse that Galaxy S8, vs 108h for the XZ1C as stated in GSM Arena. And the loudness of the speakers.
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One thing to notice though, xz1c would have been tested with oreo, and xc would have been tested with either nougat or even marshmallow. The OS difference might have affected the battery performance.

Hansoliv said:
What's keeping me from buying XC is that battery endurance rating is 73h, worse that Galaxy S8, vs 108h for the XZ1C as stated in GSM Arena. And the loudness of the speakers.
If XZ2 Compact really will be anounced in MWC 2018, about 10 days from now, think i'll wait to see if it is worth it. (rumors say that XZ2C will be 5" screen, fingerprint sensor in the back and no 3.5mm earphone plug, and those for me are a no go)
Thank you.
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Battery life is very subjective and those GSM Arena tests are synthetic, i.e. not reflective of real use. A lot depends on network signal strength, what you have enabled and running the background so they are useful as a comparison tool with other devices but it's quite possible the XC would have similar if not comparable battery life to the XZ1 depending on how you use it.
I'd definitely wait for MWC to see what the XZ2 Compact is all about as well as what other phones are announced. I totally agree with you though, 5" is too large and with no 3.5mm earphone plug and a fingerprint sensor in the worst place, it's a deal breaker.
I think overall, the XC is the last great all-rounder compact that Sony made, the XZ1C not having the FM Radio and losing all the useful Sony customisations in Oreo.

Hansoliv said:
Good day.
Thank you all very much for your reply.
XZ2 Compact will be anounced in MWC 2018?
I just wanted a good fast compact phone. No other brand offers that, other than Sony. Money is not a issue here.
I'm no Samsung fanboy, and I like Galaxy S8 very much, it is a beautiful phone, excelent camera, the software has all the things i need and never thought to root to add new function.
But it has a so so battery life, it's too big for my hand and impratical, useless fingerprint sensor, and is very fragile (last week it fell to the ground with the cover and the screen shatered. 300euros for repairs)
I have been looking around in this forum and Xz1C one, and it seems that Xz1c forum is still very dormant. As i want to root the phone, XC has the possibility to backup DRM keys, in case i want to send for warranty and there is much more mods for XC.
What's keeping me from buying XC is that battery endurance rating is 73h, worse that Galaxy S8, vs 108h for the XZ1C as stated in GSM Arena. And the loudness of the speakers.
If XZ2 Compact really will be anounced in MWC 2018, about 10 days from now, think i'll wait to see if it is worth it. (rumors say that XZ2C will be 5" screen, fingerprint sensor in the back and no 3.5mm earphone plug, and those for me are a no go)
Thank you.
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well Oreo has a big effect on battery life, since I upgraded my xc to oreo it easily lasts about 12 more hours with normal usage...
and although I agree with you about xz2c being like that, I think 5" display would be on a bezel-less front and for headphone jack, there are plenty of type-c to 3.5mm connectors that are very cheap and tiny and easy to use, so if no 3.5mm jack means less bezels, Im totaly on for it....
also, rumors say that there might be an acoustic display on xz2c, its just rumors but man that one thing is SOMETHING!

Kianush said:
well Oreo has a big effect on battery life, since I upgraded my xc to oreo it easily lasts about 12 more hours with normal usage...
and although I agree with you about xz2c being like that, I think 5" display would be on a bezel-less front and for headphone jack, there are plenty of type-c to 3.5mm connectors that are very cheap and tiny and easy to use, so if no 3.5mm jack means less bezels, Im totaly on for it....
also, rumors say that there might be an acoustic display on xz2c, its just rumors but man that one thing is SOMETHING!
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Good day.
I probably will be going to buy an XCompact until xz2C is available in my country.
You could be right about XZ2C. If the rumors are true that they will be using the same phone size and increase the screen.
Acoustic display would be nice in this phone , As long as it does not affect battery life.

Hansoliv said:
Good day.
I probably will be going to buy an XCompact until xz2C is available in my country.
You could be right about XZ2C. If the rumors are true that they will be using the same phone size and increase the screen.
Acoustic display would be nice in this phone , As long as it does not affect battery life.
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well xz2c pictures have been leaked and you could check them out if you havent already,
unfortunatly no acoustic display is a no,
bye bye headphone jack!
bezels are not much less than older phones,
and its reeeaaaly thick!!
maybe hardware performance will make up for it but otherwise I'd say go for Xc and put the remaining money to better use! (true wireless headphones maybe!? )

Hey, compare all information about XC; XZ1c and XZ2c here
I still prefer xz1c, for god's sake, 168g isn't a compact, it's a brick! see no advantages

What the f*ck is Sony doing? Very disappointed :crying:
Xz2 compact is not compact anymore. Thick (12mm), tall (135mm), :crying:
No headphone jack, fingerprint reader on the back. The only fast compact device on the market is dead.
Back to Samsung it is.

After reading about the XZ2 Compact changes, I'm tempted to upgrade my X Compact to an XZ1 Compact just to retain the final version of the good Compact form factor, WITH headphone port and side fingerprint sensor power button. As for XZ1 vs. X, the X is REALLY shiny and slippery, while the XZ1 is a nicer matte metal feel all around. That and a newer SOC and are the main upgrades since now both are on Oreo (though the XZ1 might get Android 9 support in the future, while the X may or may not)

Blue-Haze said:
Hey, compare all information about XC; XZ1c and XZ2c here
I still prefer xz1c, for god's sake, 168g isn't a compact, it's a brick! see no advantages
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Hi,
On your link it says no notification led. Is this true ?? Right now i am happy with my x compact, thinking about an upgrade in a few months maybe but if the new one does not have a led for notification i will be quite lost !!
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neopbm said:
Hi,
On your link it says no notification led. Is this true ?? Right now i am happy with my x compact, thinking about an upgrade in a few months maybe but if the new one does not have a led for notification i will be quite lost !!
Thanks
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Actually this information is missing. You can see the led notification in rigth corner, here

is there a real difference in photo quality between Xc and Xz1C ?
I am interested in the 2, but the 100 € difference make me hesitate.
What I appreciate above all is a correct autonomy and good photo quality.
What is the best in photo quality?

Are you planning to get the XZ2 premium ?

What do you think about this phone ?

Yes!

Need to see if the camera is up to snuff first

It depends on the difference between xz2 and xz2 premium. Right now I am leaning to an Asian version of XZ2, but if the new camera design does something novel, then I might consider it.

Most probably depending on the camera quality
I’m hoping to purchase it. I enjoy my photography and have loved Sony phones in the past. Love the build quality of the XZ2 from what I’ve seen. Almost purchased the XZ2 until the premium was just announced.
Some of my previous phones have been fairly heavy in the past so should be able to adapt to it again lol. Have a iPhone X at present so use to the dongle now as well as Bluetooth headphones so no big problem there.
If the picture quality can match or supersede the current crop of smartphones Sony can have my money. They make great sensors but if they can also get the software right ie speed of capture etc they’ll be onto a winner. I know at present phone cameras will never match the likes of my dslr or Sony compact camera but it’s nice to be able to take impromptu shots. Looking forward to the release even though they’re saying it may not come to the U.K.

I'm definitely thinking about it. Depends a lot on how the camera fares in real life and what other manufacturers will offer. For now I'm torn between the xz2p, p20 pro, and maybe u12, op6 or whatever Nokia is going to bring us with the X. It's gonna be a tough choice.

I am.
Although a couple of things bother me, i would have liked a bit more screen to body & i really don't understand why they removed the invisible fingerprint sensor from the power button!
other than that, everything is looking top-spec as id expect.

I am in!

It depends on the camera because I have XZ2 . But higher probability is that I will buy it and grab another gift from Sony. I am wondering what gift will they give with XZ2 Premium.

No XZ2 forum ? I've had the XZ2 in the uk for the last 2 weeks, really really good phone, came from a Pixel 2 XL which i always found a bit big... Battery life with the new processor is incredible, sony have done a great job... Camera is pretty good not as good as the Pixel 2 XL, but not to far away...

Yup, didn't bother getting the XZ2, will just get this instead!
tomo100brt said:
they give with XZ2 Premium.
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5.8" 4K display, dual cameras, 6GB ram etc.
wakers said:
No XZ2 forum ?
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Yes

FartyParty said:
Yup, didn't bother getting the XZ2, will just get this instead!
5.8" display, dual cameras, 6GB ram etc.
Yes
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Nice one, for some reason couldn't find it lol... ta...

it depends on camera quality
i hate 18:9 or taller displays. so my options are xz2p and probably mate 20

yes, but need to research on features

yup, my z5 is getting very old so i need an upgrade and i can't wait untill the xz3 premium is launched :lol:

NexusGTS said:
yup, my z5 is getting very old so i need an upgrade and i can't wait untill the xz3 premium is launched :lol:
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Can't wait until somebody gets their hands on the phone an I can watch some reviews. Seems like Sony just announced it and now they just let it be forgotten. New HTC and Oneplus will come and I probably will have bought something else before we hear any more news again

For sure. It´s the most promising camera setup so far (except P20 Pro maybe) and I also had XZ2, which is a great phone. We only have to know when they release it... "Summer" could mean June or end of August. Even in Japan NTT Docomo talks about "Summer". Sony said now at their latest investor conference they will focus with Sony Mobile on European market. So I really hope that they release this phone better today than tomorrow.

pakole said:
It depends on the difference between xz2 and xz2 premium. Right now I am leaning to an Asian version of XZ2, but if the new camera design does something novel, then I might consider it.
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Now, more than likely I got the XZ2 and I am really enjoying it.

It really depends. If they release it soon, I may jump on it. But if they wait until the end of summer, I'm probably going to wait and see what the Pixel 3 XL offers.

Yes