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Universal suddenly shuts down; battery or other problem?

I recently acquired a HTC Universal for dirt cheap, and have found the first problem to explain the low price: Whenever I'm using a "power-hungry" application (TCPMP, Internet via Wi-Fi) it eventually just blacks out. Full shutdown without warning.
When trying to reactivate the unit, it reboots as if after a soft reset.
In fact, if I try to reactivate it too quickly, even the reboot fails.
None of the above happens when on external power.
This leads me to think that it's nothing worse than a battery that's lost its mojo, but since there is no warning about low battery, and when the reboot finishes successfully even SPB says the battery is somewhere around 70%, I want to run this by you guys.
What do you think? Just go get a new battery, or is there something else going on which will make buying a new battery just a waste of money?

I'd say it's the battery, 99% sure.
I'ts gotten old and its voltage breaks down under load. If you have proper equipment and a glimpse of an idea what you're doing you should drain about 300mA from the battery and measure its output voltage.
You'll most likely see it going below 3.0V quickly.

I'm afraid I don't have that equipment, but all I really needed to hear was that it's probably the battery.
Now I can stop thinking about it and just order a new batery.

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Hey Holybear, my device shows exactly same symptom, If possible let us know if bat replacement solved the issue>

Holy Bear said:
I recently acquired a HTC Universal for dirt cheap, and have found the first problem to explain the low price: Whenever I'm using a "power-hungry" application (TCPMP, Internet via Wi-Fi) it eventually just blacks out. Full shutdown without warning.
When trying to reactivate the unit, it reboots as if after a soft reset.
In fact, if I try to reactivate it too quickly, even the reboot fails.
None of the above happens when on external power.
This leads me to think that it's nothing worse than a battery that's lost its mojo, but since there is no warning about low battery, and when the reboot finishes successfully even SPB says the battery is somewhere around 70%, I want to run this by you guys.
What do you think? Just go get a new battery, or is there something else going on which will make buying a new battery just a waste of money?
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I knew I wasn't the only one withthat problem. I think i've prooved it to be a battery faultt. as if you taake te battery out after it gets to that stage where you just can not get it too complete a boot up without it shuttinng down again
take out battery ,place finer oveer all battery trmminals and plug inn your mainss charger it should now boot up and runn fin off the charger unless your finger slips off the battery terminals. thisshsowws it's the temprature sensor in the battery.
I posted a more in depth reply to a guy in the wm6 threads as wifi heeaating up battery wass shutting off his device as well

@ cyberjak
Hmm, the idea that a temperature sensor in the battery causes this problems is interesting. I'd just expect the device not being cappable of rebooting instantly, because there should be a hysteresis implemented in the battery's protection circuit.
I had the exact same problems and described them elsewhere, but in my case it surely wasn't an issue of temperature.
I'd suggest to take out the battery and wait about an hour for the device and the battery to cool off. Most likely the battery will then take a complete boot but shut down soon after that - without having gotten near to "warm" yet.
If this happens you can be sure that the battery itself is dead without needing to measure anything.

Okay, to tell you what I tried:
I ran the Universal until it spontaneously went dead.
Started bootlaoder to see how much longer it would work on that. Was a bit longer, what with low energy consumption, but soon even that wouldn't stay on for long.
Then decided to try the "old wives' tale" (meaning I don't know whether there's any sense behind it or not) of putting the battery in the freezer for a little while.
When I took it out and let it get back to normal temp, I plugged it in and after a while booted the Universal. It showed 40% battery, lower than it had ever gotten lately.
Recharged for a full day.
Tried TCPMP: went dead after three minutes.
So in my experience the above didn't help battery performance.
Am going to get a new battery in a few days; I'll keep you posted on progress as I try with a fresh battery.

I had the same problem, whenever i did something cpu intensive, it would just black out.
I just bought a new 3100mAh battery. Best thing i ever did. It might be thicker now with the new battery, but it actually feels more comfortable as a phone. Plus the new battery only cost 13 odd quid, so definately well worth it. Oh and it doubles the battery life (3100/1500 = ~2... duh)
Hope that helps.

oh you know wat i have the same problem with my Jasjar and the bigest problem that there is no batteries on market for Jasjars in my country....its looks like im living in Jurassic Century!!!

If you want i can send you a battery xplayer, they're quite cheap here.

Rc-Blob said:
I had the same problem, whenever i did something cpu intensive, it would just black out.
I just bought a new 3100mAh battery. Best thing i ever did. It might be thicker now with the new battery, but it actually feels more comfortable as a phone. Plus the new battery only cost 13 odd quid, so definately well worth it. Oh and it doubles the battery life (3100/1500 = ~2... duh)
Hope that helps.
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I ordered a regular battery replacement, but maybe I'll add a 3100mAh as well.
I could use it as a media player during long train trips.

Holy Bear said:
Okay, to tell you what I tried:
I ran the Universal until it spontaneously went dead.
Started bootlaoder to see how much longer it would work on that. Was a bit longer, what with low energy consumption, but soon even that wouldn't stay on for long.
Then decided to try the "old wives' tale" (meaning I don't know whether there's any sense behind it or not) of putting the battery in the freezer for a little while.
When I took it out and let it get back to normal temp, I plugged it in and after a while booted the Universal. It showed 40% battery, lower than it had ever gotten lately.
Recharged for a full day.
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I revived two batteries by intense cycling to work quite well again. They still black out at 20%, but only under extreme load (active gsm connection, active wifi, bluetooth and having to render a webpage).
But you should be able to discharge them below 25% at least. Else they're most certainly "too dead" already. And you should do at least 3-4 cycles.
My guess would be that the freezer finished your battery off. I don't understand how this method should work anyway, as lower temperatures reduce the time affected capacity loss. Actually the best place to store a LiPo or LIo battery is the fridge, charged about half the way.
But I also ordered two 3100mAh batteries. I'm using the Uni as a laptop replacement and the permanent wifi usage together with some cpu load and the backlight kicks the battery's ass quite hard.
In Germany the China 3100mAhs are overpriced and it's hard to get your hands on an external charger, but on Ebay.co.uk there's a seller that offers battery and charger as a bundle for about 15€. This will give me a solid 6000+mAh per day and should be enough to forget about virtually every setting related to power consumption
@ xplayer
If you haven't donw already, take a look at Ebay.com, co.uk etc and look if one of the sellers there will ship to kurdistan. You may be lucky

Rc-Blob said:
If you want i can send you a battery xplayer, they're quite cheap here.
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Oh Thanx Rc-Blob....bt there is No way even to send me no addresses no posting in my country...am from kurdistan of Iraq...thanks again its looks like u sent me one...bt I even have brother in USA he can't send me...except if some one come from there so i have to wait...thanks buddy...

EvilJogga said:
I revived two batteries by intense cycling to work quite well again. They still black out at 20%, but only under extreme load (active gsm connection, active wifi, bluetooth and having to render a webpage).
But you should be able to discharge them below 25% at least. Else they're most certainly "too dead" already. And you should do at least 3-4 cycles.
My guess would be that the freezer finished your battery off. I don't understand how this method should work anyway, as lower temperatures reduce the time affected capacity loss. Actually the best place to store a LiPo or LIo battery is the fridge, charged about half the way.
But I also ordered two 3100mAh batteries. I'm using the Uni as a laptop replacement and the permanent wifi usage together with some cpu load and the backlight kicks the battery's ass quite hard.
In Germany the China 3100mAhs are overpriced and it's hard to get your hands on an external charger, but on Ebay.co.uk there's a seller that offers battery and charger as a bundle for about 15€. This will give me a solid 6000+mAh per day and should be enough to forget about virtually every setting related to power consumption
@ xplayer
If you haven't donw already, take a look at Ebay.com, co.uk etc and look if one of the sellers there will ship to kurdistan. You may be lucky
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hhh ok buddy you too for care....but there is realy no way i have to wait tell some one(my brothers friend) come from USA so he can get me one from there....its ok...i can use it yet as a normal mobile...i have some other devices for multimedia right now i can wait there is no any other ways....thanks...

Rc-Blob said:
If you want i can send you a battery xplayer, they're quite cheap here.
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Thanx for helping the guy,yo folks on xda are the best

Just to give you all the end of the story:
I ordered a regular replacement and a 3200 mAh one, and both have returned my Universal to a well-used life.
Thanks again to everyone helping me out here.

For you guys does the device switch off only when the battery is low, or any time. Cause I have this problem as well, and I was SURE that it wasn't a battery problem until I read this thread. The phone switches off intermittently, sometimes after only 3' talk time right after it had been charging for a full 8 hours! Also, usually if I let it sit there for a few hours I could then turn it back on and it would last a full day, so I knew it wasn't due to low battery.
The overheating theory would explain my problem, as, now that I think about it, all my seemingly-random shutdowns were during radio activity (making or receiving calls, especially when the phone was searching for signal, or wifi, which would almost instantly kill it). Strange that it overheats like this, most phone batteries simply run out of charge faster and faster until they can't hold a charge at all, but mine lasts almost as long as it always lasted even though it's 2 years old - unless I get the shutdown thing of course.

I asked this in another thread, but since this one is full of people who got replacement batteries I'll repeat my question here as well:
How much thicker than the standard battery are the 3100 and the 4200mAh ones?

I also got this problem recently, so I bought a new battery and although it's only a 1600mAh battery it runs great again

hey roodkapje ive got that same problem with my battery for my spv m5000 the bad news is that i cant get that batery in barbados so im all out to see

What have you done for battery life so far?

So as I mentioned in the battery life thread, in the T-Mo store, the Galaxy was reporting 2d5h on and still had 32% left in the tank. Obviously that is without SetCPU or anything and people have to have been playing with it. Even not, 30%/day not being touched is pretty good. What have you guys done for battery life? Have you noticed the "ramp up" time that is always claimed by cell phone manufacturers? Mine has sucked today but I've been beating the hell out of it. I'm going to charge it and let it stay unplugged overnight to see what the standby drain is but what is everyone doing? Have you messed with SetCPU at all?
Thx

hah2110 said:
So as I mentioned in the battery life thread, in the T-Mo store, the Galaxy was reporting 2d5h on and still had 32% left in the tank. Obviously that is without SetCPU or anything and people have to have been playing with it. Even not, 30%/day not being touched is pretty good. What have you guys done for battery life? Have you noticed the "ramp up" time that is always claimed by cell phone manufacturers? Mine has sucked today but I've been beating the hell out of it. I'm going to charge it and let it stay unplugged overnight to see what the standby drain is but what is everyone doing? Have you messed with SetCPU at all?
Thx
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Who cares, I'm buying 2 spare batteries from Ebay, just like I had for my G1. I can go thru all 3 batteries on my G1 while at work for 10hrs. So, I'm assuming I will get similar results.

Shagman68 said:
Who cares, I'm buying 2 spare batteries from Ebay, just like I had for my G1. I can go thru all 3 batteries on my G1 while at work for 10hrs. So, I'm assuming I will get similar results.
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Haha I know what you mean. That's what I love about having a removable battery. Who cares right? Swap it out and you're good.
As for my experience, the battery live has been good. The battery status bar up top is not accurate though. Similar to the reception (bar) problem how it shows no bars but you actually have great signal. I'm sure a software fix will be available soon for this. Very minor.
Here are some things you can do to improve battery life:
Remove all unnecessary widgets off your screen. I had an analog clock on there and when I removed it, I noticed better battery life just from that. No joke.
Turn off the live wallpapers. Those drain battery too.
Turn off wifi if not using it
Turn off bluetooth
Set the notifications to refresh at a longer interval instead of like every 5 mins etc...
If you're really nit picky, check "use only 2g networks..." - I personally wouldn't.
Adjust your screen to the lowest brightness. I love that it's an SAMOLED screen, because I could never get by with the lowest setting on other lcd screens.
Hope this helps man...enjoy!

Shagman68 said:
Who cares, I'm buying 2 spare batteries from Ebay, just like I had for my G1. I can go thru all 3 batteries on my G1 while at work for 10hrs. So, I'm assuming I will get similar results.
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By the way....regarding non-OEM batteries....I do notice that they are all 1500mAh (like oem), but I've always had a stigma about putting generic batteries into expensive devices.
I guess where my stigma comes from is due to my past experience with my digital camera, when I took photos of a wedding and my files got corrupted. My only explanation was because I was using a non-oem battery, because ever since that I've only used oem batteries along with that same memory card and have never had a problem since. It's been 3 years.
Since the non-oem batteries are 1500mAh, it shouldn't matter right? Now that I think about it, I do remember the camera batteries being of a higher mAh than the original battery...I know this only has to do with the capacity, but as for the voltage output, could there have been a strange surge to cause the corruption?
I know I'm just being paranoid, but just thought I'd get some input from those who know about the mechanics of batteries and the likelihood of any malfunction due to it being a cheap non-oem battery made in china.
Any thoughts would be appreciated.

My biggest battery drain was use wireless networks was disabled by default. All apps that tried to get my location therefore turned on GPS. One widget was bugged and would keep using GPS, killing my battery overnight. Uninstalled the widget and enabled use wireless networks and only lost a percent or two overnight. Make sure the GPS icon is not consistently on when not using Google Maps and whatnot.

nick_karstedt said:
My biggest battery drain was use wireless networks was disabled by default. All apps that tried to get my location therefore turned on GPS. One widget was bugged and would keep using GPS, killing my battery overnight. Uninstalled the widget and enabled use wireless networks and only lost a percent or two overnight. Make sure the GPS icon is not consistently on when not using Google Maps and whatnot.
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This didn't really do anything for me. Under usage it definitely uses less battery than my N1 but standby SUCKS. How did the one in the store get 2+ days. I switched from GSM/CDMA Auto PRL to just GSM Auto PRL. I am switching back. WCDMA Preferred actually got me better battery on the N1.

iunlock said:
By the way....regarding non-OEM batteries....I do notice that they are all 1500mAh (like oem), but I've always had a stigma about putting generic batteries into expensive devices.
I guess where my stigma comes from is due to my past experience with my digital camera, when I took photos of a wedding and my files got corrupted. My only explanation was because I was using a non-oem battery, because ever since that I've only used oem batteries along with that same memory card and have never had a problem since. It's been 3 years.
Since the non-oem batteries are 1500mAh, it shouldn't matter right? Now that I think about it, I do remember the camera batteries being of a higher mAh than the original battery...I know this only has to do with the capacity, but as for the voltage output, could there have been a strange surge to cause the corruption?
I know I'm just being paranoid, but just thought I'd get some input from those who know about the mechanics of batteries and the likelihood of any malfunction due to it being a cheap non-oem battery made in china.
Any thoughts would be appreciated.
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The Amps and Volts are important, but in a battery is only a small part of it. The quality matters, the drain matter, it's max input matters, it's sensitivity to fluctuation, sensitivity to over charge... etc etc etc...
That being said, most modern devices these days have a lot of internal fail safes that should try to stop anything crazy from happening... because really the battery could have any amount of amp hours rated to it, how much it can and will output is what matters though. You could theoretically make a battery the size of a car battery for the thing that with 1500AH (aka 1,500,000mAH) would give you a retarded amount of standby time as long as it was rated about the same on everything else... although charge that thing wrong and you would have a pretty cool fireball...

an app called juice defender seems to work pretty good for me on the vibrant (ultimate juice is the paid version with all the features). I previously used it on my cliq and had good results also.
what it does is disables apn and/or wifi and you choose what intervals it comes back on. example - you could have it come on every 15 minutes for 1 minute at a time to complete necessary syncs. you can also set up night schedules etc.
I would recommend this app if you're lookin to save some battery. it also has a little widget to show you how much battery you have saved. not sure how accurate that is though. good luck!
sent from my samsung vibrant

jaker.the.skater said:
an app called juice defender seems to work pretty good for me on the vibrant (ultimate juice is the paid version with all the features). I previously used it on my cliq and had good results also.
what it does is disables apn and/or wifi and you choose what intervals it comes back on. example - you could have it come on every 15 minutes for 1 minute at a time to complete necessary syncs. you can also set up night schedules etc.
I would recommend this app if you're lookin to save some battery. it also has a little widget to show you how much battery you have saved. not sure how accurate that is though. good luck!
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I've used this but it is a little buggy. I also need live data. Point is results shouldn't be this inconsistent. I need to figure out what that store was doing!

Anyone else?
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yeah i kinda want to know all this, getting mine pretty soon!

Is it cool to use the home charger for the nexus one AND the Galaxy interchangeably?
I ask because I'm ignorant to the amps/differences. It would be lovely to keep one charger at home, and one at work.

hah2110 said:
What have you done for battery life so far?
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I stopped caring. As long as it has enough to charge to stay on between unplugging it in the morning, and plugging it up at night, I'm golden. I've had the phone since launch, and I've only charged it up twice, so that's about two days between charges. I got it with a roughly 60% charged battery.
I use BatteryLife by Curvefish to see my battery usage.
s15274n said:
Is it cool to use the home charger for the nexus one AND the Galaxy interchangeably?
I ask because I'm ignorant to the amps/differences. It would be lovely to keep one charger at home, and one at work.
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Galaxy S/Vibrant charger is 5v @ .7A. I think I read that the N1 wall charger is 5v @ 1A. It'll charge a little faster, and will probably heat up the battery more, but it shouldn't destroy the phone. I'm sure somebody smarter will correct me, though.

What i have noticed so far with the G4

I`ve had the phone for 3 days now and before upgradin from the Iphone 6 ( my first and last iphone) i was really anxious about the many issues listed in the forums especially the touchscreen problem. When i initially got it i started testing everything and I`m glad to say that everything worked fine (sooo relieved) but when i charged it for the first time it charged very slowly, about 3 hours for a full charge, and it got really hot when using lightly the 3rd day a did a factory reset and immediately noticed the the battery charged way faster about 1% per minute ( i dont know how it compares to you other guys) and the phone didnt get nearly as hot. From all this i belive that LG did e very good job hardware wise but i think like many other conapnies fell a little short on the software department and hopefully it will be fixed in the updates to come.

samkle said:
the 3rd day a did a factory reset and immediately noticed the the battery charged way faster about 1% per minute ( i dont know how it compares to you other guys) and the phone didnt get nearly as hot.
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Factory reset is the first thing which I do with any new Android device I ever owned

_jis_ said:
Factory reset is the first thing which I do with any new Android device I ever owned
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It seems to fix some issues for alot of user so i think its worth a try for anyone whos experiencing any ☺

Mine will start getting hot and eating battery once in a while, but a reboot always fixes that. 1% charge per minute is about what I see on the stock LG charger.

juliend said:
Mine will start getting hot and eating battery once in a while, but a reboot always fixes that. 1% charge per minute is about what I see on the stock LG charger.
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Glad to know its not only me. Have you used a QC with the phone? I ordered a Tronsmart 2.0 QC off ebay hopefully it will work faster without any issues.

I bought the Tronsmart QC 2.0 and its awesome. I go from 48% to close to 100% in the 45min car ride home. I do not notice any heat that is worrying. It does get warm when charging but normal.
My G4 was raging out of the box. Super hot. Brightness was being throttled back between 100, 90, and 80 pretty frequently and it went from 60% to dead in like 15minutes. After I wiped and setup as new, it has been running as one would expect.

player911 said:
I bought the Tronsmart QC 2.0 and its awesome. I go from 48% to close to 100% in the 45min car ride home. I do not notice any heat that is worrying. It does get warm when charging but normal.
My G4 was raging out of the box. Super hot. Brightness was being throttled back between 100, 90, and 80 pretty frequently and it went from 60% to dead in like 15minutes. After I wiped and setup as new, it has been running as one would expect.
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Glad to hear that ☺. I actually purchased the wall charger but i guess the performance will be similiar. The one thing i noticed today was the battery life, it seems it is not that great during very light usage but that may be due to the fact that these couple of days the reception has been awful because the carrier im using (Vodafone) is switching to 4G for the first time in my country and ,a little out of topic i know, the download speeds have shocked me, my home connection max download speed is about 400-500kbps and today i witnessed 15-20mbps.

Battery does drain faster in low signal areas. I found that a slow charge at night yeilds longer charges throughout the day. I use fast charge in the car so I can use GPS and still get a charge. But at home and office I use Qi Wireless Charging. I use fast charging at home but only when I am doing heavy useage. I slow charge while I sleep.

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Battery does drain faster in low signal areas. I found that a slow charge at night yeilds longer charges throughout the day. I use fast charge in the car so I can use GPS and still get a charge. But at home and office I use Qi Wireless Charging. I use fast charging at home but only when I am doing heavy useage. I slow charge while I sleep.
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How much of a charge do you actually gain in the car with the fast charger while using nav and music with screen on?

Is any of you guys using a micro sd? Im using a Samusng 64Gb class 10 and im experiencing a lot of battery drain even when the phone is on idle and i was thinking if the card has anything to do with it.

I'm using SanDisk class 10 and there's no noticeable difference in my end

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Is any of you guys using a micro sd? Im using a Samusng 64Gb class 10 and im experiencing a lot of battery drain even when the phone is on idle and i was thinking if the card has anything to do with it.
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It could be the phone is performing media scanning which keeps the phone awake. This should be completed in a day or two.
If you still experience battery drain after couple of days. I'd suggest performing a full format of the micro SD card on a computer. Incase there are bad sectors on the SD card that the phone is stuck on try to read them.

Bigmille said:
It could be the phone is performing media scanning which keeps the phone awake. This should be completed in a day or two.
If you still experience battery drain after couple of days. I'd suggest performing a full format of the micro SD card on a computer. Incase there are bad sectors on the SD card that the phone is stuck on try to read them.
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The funny thing is that the the two buying factors for me were the removable back and the micro SD slot, and the only issue I have may or may not be with the micro SD and a slightly loose hinge on the left side of the battery cover but I have experienced that with every phone I had including the g2 and the iPhone 6 without a removable back that had this issue.

Hey,
This is my first LG phone. I'm a bit disappointed, but the camera makes up for everything (mostly).
First of all, the device I'm using right now is the third one within a week. I got it from Vodafone, and the first two had the same issue. When the screen was on, and showing bright things, the front speaker would give out a high pitched whistle sound. You could only hear it initially if you held it to your ear. However in recorded videos it was clear and loud enough to be very very annoying. This third unit is ok it seems, but my advice to everyone is to try the G4 before leaving the shop. It might just be a bad batch that was made for Vodafone, a similar thing happened to me with my HTC One X, that had screen issues, and there too I had to go through several devices.
I did notice lag, Nova Launcher helps, but I'm really looking to root the thing and putting CM or some AOSP rom on it. My S5 seems way snappier with BlissPop on it. The only problem with that is I loose the camera app, the thing I bought it for in the first place.
The battery is ok, but I expect more. I haven't had heat issues. The GPS draines the battery though really bad. If you don't use a charger whilst navigating, you'll go flat within an hour,which is not stellar at all. If you use a normal 2.1A charger, you can keep it on level, or might even add a few %.
The camera is awesome, and the leather back too. Cool that at Vodafone you get the leather and a plastic back in the box.
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kozjegyzo said:
Hey,
This is my first LG phone. I'm a bit disappointed, but the camera makes up for everything (mostly).
First of all, the device I'm using right now is the third one within a week. I got it from Vodafone, and the first two had the same issue. When the screen was on, and showing bright things, the front speaker would give out a high pitched whistle sound. You could only hear it initially if you held it to your ear. However in recorded videos it was clear and loud enough to be very very annoying. This third unit is ok it seems, but my advice to everyone is to try the G4 before leaving the shop. It might just be a bad batch that was made for Vodafone, a similar thing happened to me with my HTC One X, that had screen issues, and there too I had to go through several devices.
I did notice lag, Nova Launcher helps, but I'm really looking to root the thing and putting CM or some AOSP rom on it. My S5 seems way snappier with BlissPop on it. The only problem with that is I loose the camera app, the thing I bought it for in the first place.
The battery is ok, but I expect more. I haven't had heat issues. The GPS draines the battery though really bad. If you don't use a charger whilst navigating, you'll go flat within an hour,which is not stellar at all. If you use a normal 2.1A charger, you can keep it on level, or might even add a few %.
The camera is awesome, and the leather back too. Cool that at Vodafone you get the leather and a plastic back in the box.
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Even my 1+1 is way snappier with blisspop installed. Snappier than s6, snappier than g4.
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kozjegyzo said:
Hey,
This is my first LG phone. I'm a bit disappointed, but the camera makes up for everything (mostly).
First of all, the device I'm using right now is the third one within a week. I got it from Vodafone, and the first two had the same issue. When the screen was on, and showing bright things, the front speaker would give out a high pitched whistle sound. You could only hear it initially if you held it to your ear. However in recorded videos it was clear and loud enough to be very very annoying. This third unit is ok it seems, but my advice to everyone is to try the G4 before leaving the shop. It might just be a bad batch that was made for Vodafone, a similar thing happened to me with my HTC One X, that had screen issues, and there too I had to go through several devices.
I did notice lag, Nova Launcher helps, but I'm really looking to root the thing and putting CM or some AOSP rom on it. My S5 seems way snappier with BlissPop on it. The only problem with that is I loose the camera app, the thing I bought it for in the first place.
The battery is ok, but I expect more. I haven't had heat issues. The GPS draines the battery though really bad. If you don't use a charger whilst navigating, you'll go flat within an hour,which is not stellar at all. If you use a normal 2.1A charger, you can keep it on level, or might even add a few %.
The camera is awesome, and the leather back too. Cool that at Vodafone you get the leather and a plastic back in the box.
Sent from my SGP621 using Tapatalk
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Thankfully I didn't have any hardware issues, I have the Hong Kong version because there's where most of retailers get the phones in my country, I think there's a lot room for improvement software wise and I'm hoping coming updates especially android M, will refine this device even more. I really hoped my I would get the plastic back cover in the box and I'm really jealous of those who did ??

Im starting to notice two more things with the G4, the battery cover (leather) is making a creacking noise when i press it on some areas, and the other one is the with the vibration motor that makes a little bit of noise compared to other phones ive had, has any of you guys experienced this?

samkle said:
Glad to know its not only me. Have you used a QC with the phone? I ordered a Tronsmart 2.0 QC off ebay hopefully it will work faster without any issues.
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I have charged it using my wifes samsung QC. Don't notice much difference over the stock LG charger.

I'm not going to resort to a factory data reset because I shouldn't have to
come to think of it maybe I will try a reset
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josephcory said:
I'm not going to resort to a factory data reset because I shouldn't have to
come to think of it maybe I will try a reset
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It's up to you, but as you have seen its much recommended if you have any issues.

Poor battery no matter which rom

I've been using several different 7.1.2 roms and battery life has been atrocious. I use wingoku 4.1.
I pair my smart watch to it but even when I use wifi (no bt) its bad, draining quickly, last checked about 22% per hr. Even with screen off listening to podcasts it still will drop a lot more than it used to.
I really don't have much in terms of stats. Honestly I don't obsess much about it normally but now its noticable.
Aside from suggesting another rom & kernel, would I benefit from formatting data and starting over?

KLit75 said:
I've been using several different 7.1.2 roms and battery life has been atrocious. I use wingoku 4.1.
I pair my smart watch to it but even when I use wifi (no bt) its bad, draining quickly, last checked about 22% per hr. Even with screen off listening to podcasts it still will drop a lot more than it used to.
I really don't have much in terms of stats. Honestly I don't obsess much about it normally but now its noticable.
Aside from suggesting another rom & kernel, would I benefit from formatting data and starting over?
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Install accubattery and run it though a few charge cycles, it will be able to tell you the life left in your battery, it's possible that you have the same issue many of us have had with a degradation of the battery.

Triscuit said:
Install accubattery and run it though a few charge cycles, it will be able to tell you the life left in your battery, it's possible that you have the same issue many of us have had with a degradation of the battery.
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Yea. Thats my biggest fear. Ive replaced small parts before but my eyesight isn't as good as it used to be so Im afraid I might mess it up. Plus I'll need to buy a heat gun.
I'll be more than a little pissed if the battery's shot. This phone is barely 14 months old. Either give us a decent battery or make it replaceable.
Thanks for the info btw. I just installed the app.

Update--Im switching things up a bit. Recently I made some changes and this time I flashed a new rom without some of those changes.
1. I had switched from Action 3 to Nova
*HIGHLY doubt nova is eating up my battery so Im still using it BUT I did remove a widget that has weather. Since I keep phone on device only location, I think theres a chance its always trying to find my locale and consuming battery.
2. I didn't add a gov profile yet.
3. This is the first time in about 4 or 5 rom flashes I didnt flash CTT Mod.
* Again I doubt this is causing battery issues but Im gonna hold off flashing it. No throttling thus far.
As suggested Ill be monitoring with accubattery for a few cycles. But been using my phone about 90 mins this morning (at least 90% of that time actively using with screen on) and I've lost 13%--a huge improvement from yesterday.

KLit75 said:
Aside from suggesting another rom & kernel, would I benefit from formatting data and starting over?
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Accubattery for the proof. New battery for the fix. You could always buy online and have it installed locally. Read up on where to score a good replacement battery, rather than another dud.
Edit: Read this: https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=72814690&postcount=6

v12xke said:
Accubattery for the proof. New battery for the fix. You could always buy online and have it installed locally. Read up on where to score a good replacement battery, rather than another dud.
Edit: Read this: https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=72814690&postcount=6
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Thanks. But for now it looks like my battery is ok. I did a follow-up post above. And to follow-up on that, Im still getting good battery life.

Franco Kernel

KLit75 said:
Thanks. But for now it looks like my battery is ok. I did a follow-up post above. And to follow-up on that, Im still getting good battery life.
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Okay, sounds good. What does Accubattery report your battery health as? (health tab)

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Okay, sounds good. What does Accubattery report your battery health as? (health tab)
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Its not really giving me much info yet. Because of my schedule throughout the day Ive charged periodically so I have enough juice in case I need it. Do I need to let it run lower to get an accurate reading?

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Its not really giving me much info yet. Because of my schedule throughout the day Ive charged periodically so I have enough juice in case I need it. Do I need to let it run lower to get an accurate reading?
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Best to let it run below 20% at least and then fully charge until the APP tells you the battery is full- not your phone. Don't unplug until Accubattery says it is full. What you will observe is that the phone will continue to charge for 45 minutes to an hour past when the phone itself is reporting 100%. You will find the estimated capacity under the Health tab. Once or twice below 20% is enough to get a close approximation. After that it will move a couple percent max. You will know soon enough.

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Best to let it run below 20% at least and then fully charge until the APP tells you the battery is full- not your phone. Don't unplug until Accubattery says it is full. What you will observe is that the phone will continue to charge for 45 minutes to an hour past when the phone itself is reporting 100%. You will find the estimated capacity under the Health tab. Once or twice below 20% is enough to get a close approximation. After that it will move a couple percent max. You will know soon enough.
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Well it turns out my battery is in need of replacing.
I let it run down like you said. I was going to go further down but once it hit 20% my phone turned off. I plugged it in, opened accubattery and it said 46% under health.
But I just checked again after charging to 100% and it now says 63% (2182 mAh total capacity).
I checked my imei on the Huawei site and my phone is 3 days out of warranty. Im hoping to get them to fix it.

KLit75 said:
Well it turns out my battery is in need of replacing. I let it run down like you said. I was going to go further down but once it hit 20% my phone turned off. I plugged it in, opened accubattery and it said 46% under health. But I just checked again after charging to 100% and it now says 63% (2182 mAh total capacity). I checked my imei on the Huawei site and my phone is 3 days out of warranty. Im hoping to get them to fix it.
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Well sorry to hear that. Good luck to you on the RMA route. If not, the Cameron Sino brand replacement is a bit more expensive but includes a working battery temperature sensor. It will make your phone like new. Note in the thread I referenced above, some parts may get scratched/cracked depending on the skill of the repair person. They aren't expensive so it you are intending to keep the 6P for a while longer, it may be worth it to buy those just in case.

v12xke said:
Well sorry to hear that. Good luck to you on the RMA route. If not, the Cameron Sino brand replacement is a bit more expensive but includes a working battery temperature sensor. It will make your phone like new. Note in the thread I referenced above, some parts may get scratched/cracked depending on the skill of the repair person. They aren't expensive so it you are intending to keep the 6P for a while longer, it may be worth it to buy those just in case.
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Thanks for the support! I checked that thread and didn't see specific parts (inexpensive ones you referenced) If they're listed Ill look again. It doesn't seem too daunting. I was able to replace the screen on my son's WiU controller. Those were very tiny parts and YES--I did snap off a clip, however I was able to fudge it and it's still working about a year later.
Far as RMA, does anyone know if they replace it with the same crappy stock battery? From my perspective this seems like a clear case where a recall is in order.
But if its the same battery, Im just setting myself up for the same problems 8 to 12 months from now. Even if I buy a new phone Id still want to sell this one and thats not as easy with a crap battery. Plus theyd have my phone for x days so Id need to find a temp phone in the meantime.
Don't mean to jabber on...this sucks.
Oh yeah...cuz it was after hours I sent an email to support last night. Do you think Ill get a response? Or should I just call when I have time to be on hold?

Spoke to a clone at Huawei then asked to speak to the clone's supervisor (wasn't sure if clones had supervisors--they do. But the programming is identical.) Long frustrating phone call and they aren't going to replace my battery because its out of warranty...by 4 f#@&ing days!
I told them they lost a customer for life and I was being 100% sincere. How could I ever buy from people who thinks it ok to sell defective crap, know about it, then do nothing to make things right?
I'm gonna replace the battery on my own. Whether things go good or terrible, one thing is certain--itll be the last time I ever replace anything on any product made by Huawei.

Poor battery performance

Hello everyone,
Anyone observed a drastic loss of the battery capacity after only one year?
My Moto X Style has fallen from 4 hours screen to 2 in one year

Mine is 2 1/2 years old and it has held up remarkably well. I limit the use of quick charge to once or twice a week. Most days I charge it on my desk using an old 5W charger, and it stays waaay cooler than quick charging it. I don't know if that has made the difference or if I just got lucky, but a lithium ion battery not getting hot as often can't hurt.

The same for me! I used very few times the quick charge, but I had the same problem also with another Moto X Style bought before and substituted by the vendor with my actual one. This is strange, normally I use a 1A charger

My phone is over 1,5 year old and it has average battery life of 1 day with 3h of sot (reported by GSam) using 4g/wifi all the time so it's not that bad. I think it was better with standby times on 6.0. Also I use quick charge most of the time and I don't think it makes any difference.

iks8 said:
My phone is over 1,5 year old and it has average battery life of 1 day with 3h of sot (reported by GSam) using 4g/wifi all the time so it's not that bad. I think it was better with standby times on 6.0. Also I use quick charge most of the time and I don't think it makes any difference.
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This is a proof that my battery is damaged. I will ask for a warranty covered repair.
Thank you everyone

ferrarista10 said:
This is a proof that my battery is damaged. I will ask for a warranty covered repair.
Thank you everyone
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Good luck with that. Have you ever unlocked your bootloader? If you have, the warranty is void but let me know how it goes. My battery is complete garbage but I've unlocked my bootloader so I'm SOL.

My condition is the same as yours, I barely get around 2hrs or SoT now, it's lesser with 4G turned on. It was ~3.5-4hrs before. I noticed the drastic drop in battery life, especially after the nougat update.
I'm waiting for the camera fix in Lineage 15.1 unofficial, I'm hoping I might get a bit better battery life with that. I don't flash ROMs that often, so I need something solid to use as my daily driver. Is there any solid ROM that I can update from my Nougat 7.0 stock??

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My condition is the same as yours, I barely get around 2hrs or SoT now, it's lesser with 4G turned on. It was ~3.5-4hrs before. I noticed the drastic drop in battery life, especially after the nougat update.
I'm waiting for the camera fix in Lineage 15.1 unofficial, I'm hoping I might get a bit better battery life with that. I don't flash ROMs that often, so I need something solid to use as my daily driver. Is there any solid ROM that I can update from my Nougat 7.0 stock??
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The 4G issue may be radio related from the nougat update. I remember reading somewhere that the radio was more prone to battery drain in weak signal situations under nougat.

My Moto X Pure is almost 2 years old and the battery is pretty much useless now. Have to charge twice a day. I'm giving up. I have my eyes on the Nokia 7 Plus for its replacement.

Guys I returned back my phone and I got a refund. Better than I could ever think

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The 4G issue may be radio related from the nougat update. I remember reading somewhere that the radio was more prone to battery drain in weak signal situations under nougat.
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Okay. I didn't understand what you meant by 'radio related'. Do I need to keep my cellular 'preferred network type' to 2G? Will that bring about any difference?

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Okay. I didn't understand what you meant by 'radio related'. Do I need to keep my cellular 'preferred network type' to 2G? Will that bring about any difference?
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No, it means since stock nougat on this phone, the radio hardware consumes more battery when the signal is poor. So if the phone is in bad network area, it would consume more battery than it did while on Marshmallow.

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No, it means since stock nougat on this phone, the radio hardware consumes more battery when the signal is poor. So if the phone is in bad network area, it would consume more battery than it did while on Marshmallow.
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Not sure I buy that. Do you have any hard numbers to back such a theory up?

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Not sure I buy that. Do you have any hard numbers to back such a theory up?
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I've only seen people's "experiences". But regardless, there has been a lot of discussion that the SD808 chip has always been more battery hungry when on weak signals than the SD810 and such. I can't verify with any hard numbers if nougat has made it worse or not.

Bill720 said:
Not sure I buy that. Do you have any hard numbers to back such a theory up?
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No, I've simply made it descriptive what the above person didn't understand from the post above his. Didn't add any of my theories.

AsquareX said:
No, it means since stock nougat on this phone, the radio hardware consumes more battery when the signal is poor. So if the phone is in bad network area, it would consume more battery than it did while on Marshmallow.
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Thanks! This might be true, not sure about it. Definitely saw a drastic drop in the batt. life after the Nougat update though.
Eagerly waiting for the Lineage 15.1 camera to work. Not too hopeful but some people reported to have better batt. with the 15.1 in the Lineage thread.

SnapDragon
aybarrap1 said:
I've only seen people's "experiences". But regardless, there has been a lot of discussion that the SD808 chip has always been more battery hungry when on weak signals than the SD810 and such. I can't verify with any hard numbers if nougat has made it worse or not.
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I agree with the bit about the 808 not being the best chipset for power usage, but I'm highly skeptical about the version of Android having any kind of an impact on it. I feel that the spreading of these types of unsubstantiated myths doesn't do anyone any good.