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The main feature off lollipop and sony chooses to ignore it.
Let's all start the digging
That is terrible news :<
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Fu**! Stupid sony!
I do not see more reasons to upgrade to lollipop . The RAW function was my main reason to upgrade .
OK the xperiablog.net report says no raw support for 3rd party cameras as yet. Can anyone confirm the same for the inbuilt camera
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mariojuniorjp said:
Fu**! Stupid sony!
I do not see more reasons to upgrade to lollipop . The RAW function was my main reason to upgrade .
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Really, Samsung don't have it, LG don't have it either. Or has that changed?
sony wouldnt implement it in its camera firmware anyway, but i was hoping that at least they would include the support for it for 3rd party camera apps, but acordingly to xperia blog, all features are disabled.
This is a shame really, sony ****ed up big time. Galaxy s6 has RAW option, manual focus, manual everything, and all this in the default camera app. You can go even further and use 3rd party apps that have more features.
we cant even get away from the mediocre camera results from sony now, this is sad.
i expect that they implement some of the advanced camera api features from lollipop on Z4, so soon or later it would be ported to z3 series, but this is just a speculation by me.
Can anyone tell, if soft skin issue has been fixed for front facing camera?
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Can anyone tell, if soft skin issue has been fixed for front facing camera?
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Isn't fixed. Source from the other lollipop thread here
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Can anyone tell, if soft skin issue has been fixed for front facing camera?
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But can developers implant these camera api's in there roms even if sony haven't?
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But can developers implant these camera api's in there roms even if sony haven't?
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No, we can't because the camera binaries for the Sony Exmor IMX220 camera sensor have to support it and the only phones to use this sensor are the entire Sony Z Series and the Meizu MX4.
Can someone say if it's possible to use another devices camera binaries for the same sensor?
Since our only hope is riding on the Meizu MX4: gsmarena.com/meizu_mx4_and_mx_4_pro_to_get_android_lollipopbased_flyme_os-news-11023.php
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No, we can't because the camera binaries for the Sony Exmor IMX220 camera sensor have to support it and the only phones to use this sensor are the entire Sony Z Series and the Meizu MX4.
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I remember reading something about a new HTC phone coming out with the same sensor which could theoretically make that possible. Can anyone confirm?
meh,
because YOU want RAW doesnt't mean other want it, 99% of customers don't care about RAW so don't say stupid things.
Would have been nice to have to play around with and to show off to my iPhone friend . In the end it all depends on your point of view. Compared to smartphone camera a few years ago the Z3c is amazing. I've made some beautiful shots with it. And compared to a "real" camera all smartphones are garbage (except maybe Nokia?).
So for me the camera is perfect. I don't want to make a photography album with my pictures I want to have a quick shooter to capture some memories. And with the auto mode and the dedicated button the Z3c is exactly what I need.
It's frustrating because the camera hardware in the phone isn't being utilized to its full potential. Yes, it's fine for the average user, but for some, and I think many on this forum share this mindset - we try to get the most out of our devices. Not tapping into our camera's full potential is like leaving our device unrooted - it's neutered.
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Galaxy s6 has RAW option, manual focus, manual everything, and all this in the default camera app. You can go even further and use 3rd party apps that have more features.
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The main difference between the S6 and the Z3 being that the S6 is running Lollipop out of the box, where the Z3 is running Kit Kat. Implementing the Camera2 API is a lot more work than just porting the legacy firmware on Lollipop. That's why all OEMs chose to port their old firmware and stop here.
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meh,
because YOU want RAW doesnt't mean other want it, 99% of customers don't care about RAW so don't say stupid things.
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Ok mystic meg
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sony wouldnt implement it in its camera firmware anyway, but i was hoping that at least they would include the support for it for 3rd party camera apps, but acordingly to xperia blog, all features are disabled.
This is a shame really, sony ****ed up big time. Galaxy s6 has RAW option, manual focus, manual everything, and all this in the default camera app. You can go even further and use 3rd party apps that have more features.
we cant even get away from the mediocre camera results from sony now, this is sad.
i expect that they implement some of the advanced camera api features from lollipop on Z4, so soon or later it would be ported to z3 series, but this is just a speculation by me.
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S6 does bit have RAW in their official camera app. Nor do they have manual shutter speed etc in their camera app.
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adamk7 said:
I remember reading something about a new HTC phone coming out with the same sensor which could theoretically make that possible. Can anyone confirm?
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HTC use a Toshiba Sensor.
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No, we can't because the camera binaries for the Sony Exmor IMX220 camera sensor have to support it and the only phones to use this sensor are the entire Sony Z Series and the Meizu MX4.
Can someone say if it's possible to use another devices camera binaries for the same sensor?
Since our only hope is riding on the Meizu MX4: gsmarena.com/meizu_mx4_and_mx_4_pro_to_get_android_lollipopbased_flyme_os-news-11023.php
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the funny thing is, I tried snapchat today, and the front camera does not soften the skin.
I guess there is a way but I'm no developer so I cant check or try.
As topic name says, sony wants to know if there is demand to support "RAW" format for Xperia Line in future lollipop release.
You can read more here
http://www.xperiablog.net/2015/04/2...capture-in-future-if-there-is-popular-demand/
And you can request it on official sony forum
http://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Software-Updates/Camera2-API/m-p/974754#M21577
What is RAW exactly ?
I read it a couple pf times but i am not sure what it is.
Roughly speaking it's an image file. RAW is commonly used by photographers and they have more detail than your average jpeg. But RAW files user alot of memory.
I don't care for it tbh. Jpeg files on my Z2 are big enough when I go full 20 Mpixel.
Honestly I don't care about RAW either. But I want them to implement camera2 api.
I hope we can choose between jpeg or raw if it becomes available not just one
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I hope we can choose between jpeg or raw if it becomes available not just one
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There's no way in hell they'd set RAW as default. RAW is practically unusable without editing, and takes a lot of space. If they implement it it's definitely gonna be optional.
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The thing is, if they add support for RAW photo's, there's a good chance the camera mode will get updated from legacy mode to either limited or full mode. To find out what that would mean, head over to this link. (it also gives an overview of which devices support which camera2 mode) And here is a quote for the lazy ones:
Camera2 Supported Hardware Levels
FULL: all that’s required but not everything
30fps operation at sensor resolution preferred, 20fps required for at least uncompressed YUV output: useful for burst capture and computational photography
Per frame control
Manual sensor control: Like exposure time, ISO gain
Manual post-processing control: color rendition, contrast/gamma curve, noise reduction
Arbitrary cropping, in size and coordinates
At least 3 processed non-stalling output streams formats: like YUV 4:2:0 used for preview.
The ability to list and auto-configure output formats according to a list of supported streams
Note that FULL does not require RAW capture nor valid metadata and calibration profile for the DNG writer.
LIMITED: partial support, your mileage may vary
Cameras describing themselves as limited have some of the Camera2 capabilities but not all of them, and not all the ones required for the FULL supported hardware level either.
The reason would be either because the camera module or its Image Signal Processor lacks some of the required capabilities, or because the manufacturer didn’t implement them so they become available in Camera2 API.
LEGACY: a wrapper around the old Camera API
Legacy Camera2 means only really the historic Camera API is implemented. But for good measure, Lollipop adds a layer over it so modern camera applications do not have to implement two separate ways to control the imaging systems.
Each camera (usually back and front) has its own capability set. For instance, Nexus 5 hardware support level is FULL for the back and LIMITED for the front.
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Right now we're on legacy, which means we don't get any of the fancy new camera2 api features. If Sony updates it, it should be relatively easy to add more features, like manual focus for example. (which I would love to have, personally)
It comes down to this:
Even if you don't care about RAW photography, it's still wise to request it and maybe request support for full mode because that will get you a lot of other cool features as well.
I DO NOT need it.
It's a plus point, but definitely not a necessity.
Raw it's a optional feature, but the other features of camera2api are usefull. We can use finally the sony's sensors at max power I want camera2api and RAW
I think it's rude they are even asking for our opinion. Google published it and Sony excluded it from the original code and now is asking us if we want it.
Personally, it's not as important as - say- a SMS software or not a must but still, why take something out?
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I think it's rude they are even asking for our opinion. Google published it and Sony excluded it from the original code and now is asking us if we want it.
Personally, it's not as important as - say- a SMS software or not a must but still, why take something out?
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At least they lending a listening ear. Most OEMs, including Samsung, excluded it. Industry standard.
Well at least Sony think about the people and asking it, we cant say that from other manufractures
Id love to see raw support
Seeing a camera with raw vs without is a big difference
I want
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There's no way in hell they'd set RAW as default. RAW is practically unusable without editing, and takes a lot of space. If they implement it it's definitely gonna be optional.
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Thank god for that!
not a need, but definitly a want
Absolutely a need. I will not buy another device which doesn't support raw capture, now that it is readily available for manufacturers to add.
I would definitely wanna see RAW support since it significantly improves the quality of pictures on Android phones with Lollipop..
Defently CameraApi2 would be useful, now I can take really good pictures with manual but with that extra features.
Sony camera will rock!
Guys, even if you would not use it, just request it as many others would use. Please help the community.
Sony says the Z5 camera has been designed in conjunction with Sony’s Alpha α camera engineers [1]. Assuming (hoping) they've improved image processing (that which the Z3 lacks most it seems), would it even be feasible to backport the software to the Z3 line?
I'm assuming it won't be open source so no, I don't think so.
If it was possible, we would already have stock quality camera on AOSP
Is possible?? Yes. Will they do?? Don't think so.
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Is possible?? Yes. Will they do?? Don't think so.
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But the question is not if they will do but rather if one of our gifted devs on XDA can do it.
E.g. @xperiaz2 ported here the Xperia Z4 framework & Sony Stock Camera for many other Xperia phones running on CM12.x/AOSP.
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So things are possible, even if it's closed source. And hey, this here is XDA.
Actually the Z3c will probably run the same camera software through an official update. Now for the image processing by itself will not be the same nor will it be backported. The reason is that the sensor is not the same and the image processing is tuned according to the sensor, if it's characteristic (noise, sharpness, colors) are different you will not be able to get a good result.
Hi all!
After more than a year of hard work I am pleased to announce in this Nexus 5 forum the first beta release of “Camera Super Pixel”, a camera app that takes pictures enhancing the resolution of the camera, improving sharpness and reducing noise.
The app takes a burst of pictures and intelligently combines them into a higher resolution photograph (up to 4x) using an own-developed super-resolution (SR) algorithm. The camera is optimized for static scenes. In other situations the result may not be good.
We are working on improving the performance in terms of speed and quality of the result.
Please send us your feedback if you have any issue with the app.
Thanks for your support!
Google Play: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.anforapps.camerasuperpixel
Article on Android Central: http://www.androidcentral.com/taking-super-resolution-photos-nexus-6p
What's new
0.9.6
Compatible with Sony Xperia Z5 (all variants)
Fixed Android N bug
0.9.5
Advanced settings (noise reduction, edge enhancement, JPEG quality)
0.9.4
Fixed autofocus issue
Compatible with Samsung S6 / S6 edge / Note 5 (Android 6.0)
0.9.3
Compatible with LG G4 / G Flex 2
Compatible with Mediatek devices (eg. Micromax Canvas A1, Sparkle V, ...)
Fixed memory bug
0.9.2
Compatible with Samsung S7 / S7 edge
Compatible with OnePlus 2
0.9.1
Fixed issue on Nexus 5X front camera
Fixed background image processing bug
0.9
Beta version
Works Fine
Great Work :good::good::good:
Keep it up..
does it only work for Nexus devices? or for now only? :fingers-crossed:
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does it only work for Nexus devices? or for now only? :fingers-crossed:
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Hi RonnellTapawan,
the device must support the “burst mode” and raw photo format included in the new Camera2 API. Unfortunately just a few smartphones support this feature. We are working hard to add full support for new devices (Samsung S6 & S7, One Plus Two, LG G4, ...).
Amazing job. Is this possible to make it save photos in dng ? Other than that - once again amazing job
I've paid for it but the ads are not removed. Can you help me?
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Amazing job. Is this possible to make it save photos in dng ? Other than that - once again amazing job
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Thanks for the feedback! We could include dng and new camera features (ex. burst pics) on future versions. Thanks for the idea.
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I've paid for it but the ads are not removed. Can you help me?
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Sorry for the problem. Please, try to close the app and restart it again. If the problem continues please contact us again. Thanks.
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Thanks for the feedback! We could include dng and new camera features (ex. burst pics) on future versions. Thanks for the idea.
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Awesome, can't wait for that. It's just step back behind "L camera" , with raw support it will be definitely best camera app
Nice work ..Keep it Up !
Front camera result is excellent ...atleast 3-4 times better than Google Camera. So this app becomes permanent Selfie app for me
But to be honest i don't see much improvements in rear camera, many times even Google camera with HDR+ performs better than it !
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Front camera result is excellent ...atleast 3-4 times better than Google Camera. So this app becomes permanent Selfie app for me
But to be honest i don't see much improvements in rear camera, many times even Google camera with HDR+ performs better than it !
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Hi,
the quality varies according to the number of photos the app can mix correctly. You can activate "Debug mode" setting inside the app to check it, we are working hard to improve speed & quality.
Maybe you can add flash and hdr
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Hi,
the quality varies according to the number of photos the app can mix correctly. You can activate "Debug mode" setting inside the app to check it, we are working hard to improve speed & quality.
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Thanks for tip..i don't doubt app's ability & future potential
As a reviewer i like to give all the details i can give instead of just saying awesome or worst so i shared my observation that improvement in back camera isn't that much drastic as Front. So that you can focus on it in next version
Keep it up !
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Thanks for the feedback! We could include dng and new camera features (ex. burst pics) on future versions. Thanks for the idea.
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Amazed to see a very new app not implementing the newest permission system or compiled using the latest SDK, hope you guys implement the run time permission model in the next build.
Amazing results. Thanks
No work with Android KK?
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Hi there, thanks for your efforts. I tried this app on my Z5 E6653. Didn't get the chance to test properly yet but I have a few suggestions for a future release: adding option to enable flash, option to set resolution, and make this app compatible with other devices.
I understand this is still beta but I find the concept very interesting and I'll keep my eye on this one!
Cheers!
Just tested on Xperia Z5 Compact. Works great - definite improvement in image quality. Good idea on the multi image sampling!
Agree with other comments about improved setting options. Although I imagine flash would be difficult to implement due to the camera taking a series of burst shots
Dusky_Nembrotha said:
Just tested on Xperia Z5 Compact. Works great - definite improvement in image quality. Good idea on the multi image sampling!
Agree with other comments about improved setting options. Although I imagine flash would be difficult to implement due to the camera taking a series of burst shots
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Thanks for testing! Is the app listed as compatible on Google Play for your Sony Z5 device?
You are right about the flash on burst shots, but we will try to add a "torch" mode
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Thanks for testing! Is the app listed as compatible on Google Play for your Sony Z5 device?
You are right about the flash on burst shots, but we will try to add a "torch" mode
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No its not compatible listed but it does install and work fine from your direct download link
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New version:
0.9.2
Fixed autofocus issue (better focused rear camera pics)
Compatible with OnePlus 2
Compatible with Sony Xperia Z5 ( thanks for the info Ben36)
http://www.sonymobile.com/global-en/xperia/technologies/camera/
Shutter speed control
Use maximum shutter speed (1/4000) for sharp images of moving subjects. Or try a slower speed (1 sec.) for a motion blur effect.
Manual focus
Decide your precise focal point. Bring the furthest away object into focus and defocus the foreground, or vice versa.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9w_5SJtLLYs (video review of the camera in Xperia XZ by Btekt)
Still, the least min shutter speed from all manufacturers - HTC 2 sec, Samsung 10 sec, LG and OnePlus 30 sec. but the fact that Sony finally implemented that API is great!
Hopefully not only the XZ will get this and we will see updated cameras in older models.
sony fanboy here but still...1 sec? and samsung has 10 seconds shutter time? Is this what sony calls "innovation"?????
I wonder if they will update it with a longer time. I would like that.
I wouldn't call it "full" since it still doesn't have raw capture.
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I wouldn't call it "full" since it still doesn't have raw capture.
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With This 100% I agree. Is this really full manual control? I mean Sony is a master in RAW imagining. Their alpha series got the best RAW as far as I believe.
actually i agree with the decision to not add raw. For now it looks like a useless feature on a smartphone to me. just a memory eater. Not even all the compact cameras has it and most of them make better photos than a smartphone. Raw files are mostly for professionals and they use professional cameras. And finally shutter speed control! that was the only feature i felt was missing on xperia phones
I would like t see RAW. I shoot it exclusively on all my cameras, so I would use it on my phone. You can use it or not, so there should be no concerns about space. Space is so cheap these days anyway.
The problem IMO is not RAW, it is that Sony is really lazy about adding the features from their new devices on the older ones(that support them). Remember 4K and timeshift video? Z1 didn't get them from the Z2 although they were fully supported by the hw. I think Sony will do the same with limited/full camera2 api support....
(would be very glad to see Sony disproving me)
I understand it's a marketing trick to force users to buy the new model, but supported users are happy users, and happy users will have their next device Sony again, which IMO is far better strategy
Finally,
Can anyone confirm whether ISO can be changed at 23MP and if Steadyshot works with still photos? Recombu seems to show it working in Superior Auto mode but the video isn't very clear with it.
I think the Z5 had it on its original software but after the camera app was updated in November it no longer had it, even though Sony claimed on their forum that Steadyshot is on by default.
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Can anyone confirm whether ISO can be changed at 23MP and if Steadyshot works with still photos? Recombu seems to show it working in Superior Auto mode but the video isn't very clear with it.
I think the Z5 had it on its original software but after the camera app was updated in November it no longer had it, even though Sony claimed on their forum that Steadyshot is on by default.
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Unfortunately ISO cannot be changed at 23MPx.
Moreover, even for lower resolution, it is not possible to adjust few options at the same time, like when you change the shutter speed, ISO and HDR etc are unavailable... They really need to fix this issueto allow us better manual control, and not only 1 option at the time + support higher resolutions and 4K videos.
4K is really biased, non of ne implemented technologies like 5 axis stabilization are supported in 4K.
I think Sony just added its old 4K app without updating it to combine with new features, sadly
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Unfortunately ISO cannot be changed at 23MPx.
Moreover, even for lower resolution, it is not possible to adjust few options at the same time, like when you change the shutter speed, ISO and HDR etc are unavailable... They really need to fix this issueto allow us better manual control, and not only 1 option at the time + support higher resolutions and 4K videos.
4K is really biased, non of ne implemented technologies like 5 axis stabilization are supported in 4K.
I think Sony just added its old 4K app without updating it to combine with new features, sadly
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Not implementing camera RAW in 2017 is close to a deal breaker, sony. Implement the full camera 2.0 API with raw support asap...
peppepop said:
Not implementing camera RAW in 2017 is close to a deal breaker, sony. Implement the full camera 2.0 API with raw support asap...
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Yeah, it may be a complete deal breaker for me.
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peppepop said:
Not implementing camera RAW in 2017 is close to a deal breaker, sony. Implement the full camera 2.0 API with raw support asap...
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Anyone know if the new camera (in the XZs and XZ premium ) supports raw ?
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Yeah, it may be a complete deal breaker for me.
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Anyone know if the new camera (in the XZs and XZ premium ) supports raw ?
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I sure hope so, it is supposed to have more camera properties than ever before, even went down to 19mpix from 23 to have more light sensitivity for the camera. Furthermore, if anyone thinks RAW (which is already there in the Android source code) isn't necessary - well just don't use it then.
It's like saying "I don't need a car that goes above 75 mph, so it's unnecessary to implement"