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[Q] Cube maps & crossbar combiner unsupported?

Hi, first of all let me say that I'm not a benchmark fan boy... but for curiosity I just did it in all my devices (Galaxy Tab 7.7, Transform Ultra Cell phone and Galaxy player 4.0).
I did it using Quadrant Standard and surprisingly the Tab is the only one that doesn't support cube maps and crossbar combiner which I don't have a clue what they are. I'm assuming they are graphics related.
Now... I don't know if that's obsolete and the Tab uses some newer technology?... and that's why it doesn't support those two? (I don't think so)
If anyone has the knowledge about this matter and has the time to drop a line that would be really appreciated!
Thanks in advance!

...Another thing that I noticed in the benchmark (now using AnTuTu Benchmark) is that in the 2D test marks from 149 to 297 in several tests, a lot lower than my cell phone that marks 393!!! WTH???

Dusko75 said:
...Another thing that I noticed in the benchmark (now using AnTuTu Benchmark) is that in the 2D test marks from 149 to 297 in several tests, a lot lower than my cell phone that marks 393!!! WTH???
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Higher screen resolution than your phone most likely the culprit for the lower benchmarks. If your phone is 800x480, well, 1280x800 is 2.667 times more pixels to render. Assuming your phone has the same GPU (Mali-400), you're asking the same hardware to do almost 3x the work.

Mmmm I see your point but that can't be the case here. My cell isn't the best out there and has a single core 1Ghz and the tab (7.7) has a 1.4Ghs dual core... Its just faster, dual core and newer...
All that assuming that the actual core is the one processing the video....? And if not... The samsung Transform Ultra just can't compete with a tablet that new and fancy in the market...
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Maybe I'm wrong in what is processing the video but this cell phone just can't be better in any performance...
My cell shows a GPU Qualcom Adreno 205. I'll check tonight what my tab has, don't have it here right now...
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Don't get me wrong, I love this tab but those numbers in the benchmark and the "unsupported" things really surprised me and I just want to find out what's all that about, that's all.
Thanks for your comment.
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Not sure why you're benchmarking so low vs an Adreno 205... The Mali 400 should spank the 205 all kinds of silly.
The number of CPU cores in these kinds of graphical benchmarks isn't as important as the type of GPU being used.
Let's not also forget that benchmarks are almost never a decent indication of how fast the device feels.
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Out of curiosity, how does your 7.7 stack up against your cell phone in the 3D test score, not the 2D?

Jade Eyed Wolf said:
Not sure why you're benchmarking so low vs an Adreno 205... The Mali 400 should spank the 205 all kinds of silly.
The number of CPU cores in these kinds of graphical benchmarks isn't as important as the type of GPU being used.
Let's not also forget that benchmarks are almost never a decent indication of how fast the device feels.
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Out of curiosity, how does your 7.7 stack up against your cell phone in the 3D test score, not the 2D?
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I totally agree with you... and yes the tab has a Mali 400...
(AnTuTu benchmark)
In the 3D marks 1225 and my cellphone 1324
2D (again) Tab: 297 Cell:399
Amazing.... unless the benchmark apps are junk...
The other thing that still concerns me is the unsupported Cube maps and the Crossbar combiner that the Quadrant Standard benchmark app is showing me....

Dusko75 said:
I totally agree with you... and yes the tab has a Mali 400...
(AnTuTu benchmark)
In the 3D marks 1225 and my cellphone 1324
2D (again) Tab: 297 Cell:399
Amazing.... unless the benchmark apps are junk...
The other thing that still concerns me is the unsupported Cube maps and the Crossbar combiner that the Quadrant Standard benchmark app is showing me....
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Again, benchmarks aren't the be-all-end-all indicator of a device's real-world performance. If the device does what you need it to within acceptable and expected ways, then I would just leave it at that and be happy with it!

Hehehe I know, I know... I'm just extremely curious about the whole thing... And as I said I'm not a fan of benchmarking everything... Even if I did it a couple of days ago for curiosity...
Nice talking to you
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is this for real?

Samsung reportedly cooking benchmark books for Exynos-powered Galaxy S4 http://drippler.com/updates/share/s...king-benchmark-books-exynos-powered-galaxy-s4 Via j.mp/getDrippler
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Samsung Galaxy S4 tweaked to achieve unrealistic benchmark results http://drippler.com/updates/share/samsung-galaxy-s4-tweaked-achieve-unrealistic-benchmark-results Via j.mp/getDrippler
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http://allthingsd.com/20130730/samsung-busted-boosting-international-galaxy-s4-benchmarks/
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http://allthingsd.com/20130730/samsung-busted-boosting-international-galaxy-s4-benchmarks/
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Thats low, not that its a big deal but still, what need did they have to cheat on benches?
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This has been going on since the S2 some of our developers even talked about it and that is when scores stopped meaning anything
Wayne Tech Nexus

Now....so samsung himself prooved that they are cheater....they treated very unfair with some consumer (please refer to GSMArena)
It is Unexpected & very Very Dissapoi ting.....
If only....we should have realised when AndreuLux said that Octa core is only gimmic...
....and now Will Samsung compansate for cheating people

i wonder what are the real benches, my phone normally gets around 28000 and 30000 antutu
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samsung has never mentioned anywhere officially that the clock speed of powervr gpu will be 533mhz!! If they mentioned the max speed as 480 mhz and used 533 mhz for benchmarks then it can be considered as cheating. Since this is out all over the net most people dont even know about this and start talking whatever they want!! crap!!
The only thing that can be considered as cheating will be the raise in cpu thermal temp limit by 10C for better scores in antutu.
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ipsuvedi said:
Now....so samsung himself prooved that they are cheater....they treated very unfair with some consumer (please refer to GSMArena)
It is Unexpected & very Very Dissapoi ting.....
If only....we should have realised when AndreuLux said that Octa core is only gimmic...
....and now Will Samsung compansate for cheating people
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being not able to use all cores is indeed a shock to andrei, every one including andrei was expecting smp to be enabled some time soon.

So they optimise the phone for benchmarks? Big deal. How about you force your gpu to run at max setting all day and see how your battery fairs.
I understand how this can be seen as disingenuous but it's not nearly as big s deal as allthingsd and anandtech are making. Then again that's news for them..

Just install a custom ROM and check the benchmarks according to the sources this thing has occurred especially due to an apk file which has some several optimization for benchmark apps in stock firmware. I don't find this as cheating because the scores are lot more higher in cm compared to the stock so do you guys think cm team has some secret app to raise the benchmark of the s4 lol
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So whats new, manufacterers all cheat one way or another to make their products look good in tests/benchmarks. The gas mileage of a car is at least 20% higher than advertised because they test with cars that have almost no interior to save weight

Yup. Another example from my industry is lamp life. Obviously not a single led light fitting has ever been tested for 30,000 hours but that's what the manufactures claim. They run the led for only a few seconds and calculate the life based on the carbon degradation over that time. It proves nothing as there are too many variables in the real world which will affect life such as quality of the power supply and ambient temperature.
Joe consumer loves it though, he thinks he's buying a lamp that he'll never need to replace. ..
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[Q] Note 3 - octacore / 8 cores runs simultaneously(together) ??

Is it possible to run all 8 cores runs simultaneously(together) ??
i think it might be possible in custom rom, may be any senior developer can develop this mod.

This can be done through a software update...samsung may or may not do it for our phone...overheating problems also have to be considered
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Note3fanboy said:
This can be done through a software update...samsung may or may not do it for our phone...overheating problems also have to be considered
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They already stated that they won't do it
Before note 3 release they said they might, but with the release they said it would just burn up so it won't happen.
Now the only hope are for the developer, but like always, they don't have any source if exynos from Samsung so I wouldn't get your hope up
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No. but for a realistic multiprocessing soc, check out mediateks newest offering.
While its homogeneous multiprocessing, It still provides similar performance to half the number of A15's.
IMO Heterogeneous multiprocessing is a ways off since its still nary impossible on real (desktop) processors.

IIIPowerIII said:
They already stated that they won't do it
Before note 3 release they said they might, but with the release they said it would just burn up so it won't happen.
Now the only hope are for the developer, but like always, they don't have any source if exynos from Samsung so I wouldn't get your hope up
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Samsung never sad it.. link me an OFFIACIAL news about it
There was an unofficial rumor wrote by an unknow person witch sad it, without any direct confermation
But, stupid's mom is always pregnant
Amyway.. until a software release (kernel module witch turn on the HMP feature) we only could have the cluster migration solution
Or 4 cortexA7 ore 4 cortexA15
Oh, power, understand me, 4 cortexA15 has an higher battery drain than 4 A7 + 2 A15
So, this actual condiction has an higher overheating issue
The only situation witch has a worst case is when all 8 cores are turned on
Wanna an example?
Playing with angry birds..
With cluster migration ALL cortexA15 are turned on..
With hmp, 4 cortexA7 are turned on and sometimes 1 or 2 cortexA15.. i repeat.. SOMETIMES
and it's a game
Do you thunk hmp has a worst batteryconsuption?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2556264
Look at this..
The ACTUAL way is this:
CortexA7 for background, and, when you touch the screen, cortexA15
Powergating works "bad" with this logic
With hmp, all cortexA7 at the base and cortexA15 added only when there is necessity
So.. it's a stupid thing to say hmp has overheating issues..
Only an ignorant say it since it doesen't knows how it works
Yep, 8 cores are more than 4 cores.. so.. more heating issue since 8 > 4.. 8 = 4 x 2 so hmp has double temperature heating..
Right? Logic..
if samung wont release hmp for note3, it will be only a commercial way to release hmp for s5..
Only a COMMERCIAL way..
I hope not

SD865 performance throttled to match Exynos990

It seems that Samsung might be throttling the SD865 performance to decrease the gap between it and the Exynos version. Check this video to see how the SD S20ultra compares to other SD865 phones in the market right now, such a gap indeed.

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Also check out this Antutu benchmark score from my Exynos S20U.

mohammed510 said:
Also check out this Antutu benchmark score from my Exynos S20U.
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Is this a freezer job?

mohammed510 said:
Also check out this Antutu benchmark score from my Exynos S20U.
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how did you get such a high score? mine doesn't go higher than 527k

This is pretty ordinary if Samsung is throttling the s20 865... Definitely a dog act
I just ordered a G9880 from hong kong... Maybe I should cancel my order..
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Any throttling will be via the kernel wont it? Can any developers tell us if there is anything that we should know about???

cheetah2k said:
This is pretty ordinary if Samsung is throttling the s20 865... Definitely a dog act
I just ordered a G9880 from hong kong... Maybe I should cancel my order..
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Any throttling will be via the kernel wont it? Can any developers tell us if there is anything that we should know about???
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Most likely a kernel thing. Some, if not all bootloaders in the SD version can't be unlocked, so nothing can be done about it (like flashing a custom kernel that won't throttle the chip)..

Then the gap of battery life will be even bigger. 865 will be even more efficient after throttling

I think you guys being paranoid on the throttling thing. But me and another guy ran 3dmark benchmark on my Snapdragon vs his Exynos and my scores were better. So if they are throttling the SD it still kicking Exynos butt! Get the 3dmark app off playstore and run slingshot extreme and post your scores.

Paul_Deemer said:
I think you guys being paranoid on the throttling thing. But me and another guy ran 3dmark benchmark on my Snapdragon vs his Exynos and my scores were better. So if they are throttling the SD it still kicking Exynos butt! Get the 3dmark app off playstore and run slingshot extreme and post your scores.
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Have no clue about the results compared to the 865.....but here are mine.....

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Then the gap of battery life will be even bigger. 865 will be even more efficient after throttling
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If it's true. Then it might be hard to tell when exactly they started doing it. Might be from the very beginning. Or right after people started signing the petition to stop using Exynos.

Aezhyr said:
how did you get such a high score? mine doesn't go higher than 527k
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How did you get such a high score? Mine doesn't go higher than 474k

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Kjam33 said:
How did you get such a high score? Mine doesn't go higher than 474k
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photoshop

Duncan1982 said:
Have no clue about the results compared to the 865.....but here are mine.....
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Hate how you can't just upload a photo directly. Anyway I don't have a photo website where I can link to my screenshot so will just type this out manually.
SM-G988U1
April 4, 2020 23:19
Overall score 9251
Graphics score 12477
Graphics test 1 (FPS) 72.60
Graphics test 2 (FPS) 43.30
Physics score 4856
Physics test 1 (FPS) 84.90
Physics test 2 (FPS) 53.20
Physics test 3 (FPS) 28.90

I don't think Samsung is intentionally throttling performance of Snapdragon 865 units. Samsung has been traditionally conservative (aka "non-aggressive") in performance tweaking. That means they uses the reference best Q (energy efficiency) tweaks from Qualcomm. However some OEMs (like Xiaomi, Realme and Oneplus) are known to be more aggressive in performance tweaking. They are more willing to sacrifice thermal/energy efficiency to get better perf/scores. It is unfair to compare Samsung devices with them and say "Samsung throttle Snapdragon to make Exynos not to look so bad". (You will probably get the same results when comparing Samsung's older devices with other OEM's older devices.)
Plus, Samsung devices get some crappy special security additions which impair performance and their software quality is kinda mediocre when it comes to performance optimization.
BTW, for S20 series, "Optimized" power mode is actually a power saving mode. Only "High Performance" mode enables full power of the phone.

Some say, if you get the Exynos S20U then what you're really getting is just a S20U "Lite". But we can now see the same on the SD865 version. What they are getting is a SD865 "Lite". Regardless if Samsung is intentionally doing it or not. Seems we are all on the same boat.

Thank you for this post. Haven't laughed so hard in ages. Enjoy your phone, speed tests are absolutely [emoji817] percent worthless!!!
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Another video. But this time the SD S20ultra score is even lower at 534k! Wow!

If you like score buy a red magic!

mohammed510 said:
Some say, if you get the Exynos S20U then what you're really getting is just a S20U "Lite". But we can now see the same on the SD865 version. What they are getting is a SD865 "Lite". Regardless if Samsung is intentionally doing it or not. Seems we are all on the same boat.
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My SD Ultra Lite still faster than a EXYNOS Ultra Lite. Plus it runs cooler and battery life is better. So no I'm not in the same boat. Waving to Mohammed as I leave his boat in my wake.

Exynos 990 main problem!

Samsung claims that the Exynos 990 is not inferior in power to the Snapdragon 865.
And this is possibly true! (well, at least they are close)
Look at the comparison of my Exynos 990 and the average value of 865 Snapdragon in Antutu.
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Yes, the overall result still does not reach Snapdragon, although the gap is only 20K, usually 40K-55K.
But! As you can see, my S20 Ultra on Exynos was able to outperform 865 in terms of CPU and GPU by common points.
You ask how? Easy, look at the temperatures at which my S20 Ultra on the Exynos 990 was tested.
Yes, I put the phone in the freezer for 10 minutes, then I started the test and left the phone in the freezer until the tests were finished.
To make you understand, the average temperature at which my phone works is 40-48 degrees. Idle 34-40.
Simply put, the processor is not so bad in terms of performance, but the cooling itself is terrible.
And Samsung knew this, so why did they use the same structure with a cooling aid, because the Exynos 990 requires more heat dissipation, etc.
Detailed information from Antutu:

Watch any tear down video (like JerryRigEverything) and You will see where is the problem. S20U and propably s20/s20+ doesn't have any thermal compound or thermopads between CPU and vapor chamber. Other phones do.

Yes the gap isn't so big this year. If only Samsung invested more in cooling. But the only thing that can be done now is software optimizations. As you can see there's a difference in UX and memory scores despite them both (SD and Exynos) having the same hardware (LPDDR5 + F2FS UFS 3.0). If Samsung fixes this, then the score will be higher for the Exynos. But for now we'll have to wait as Samsung seems to be focusing on the camera ..
Btw, don't use antutu for CPU temperature check as it is reporting wrong temperatures for some reason (higher than actual temperature). Use other apps like CPU Monitor, it is more accurate.
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mohammed510 said:
Yes the gap isn't so big this year. If only Samsung invested more in cooling. But the only thing that can be done now is software optimizations. As you can see there's a difference in UX and memory scores despite them both (SD and Exynos) having the same hardware (LPDDR5 + F2FS UFS 3.0). If Samsung fixes this, then the score will be higher for the Exynos. But for now we'll have to wait as Samsung seems to be focusing on the camera ..
Btw, don't use antutu for CPU temperature check as it is reporting wrong temperatures for some reason (higher than actual temperature). Use other apps like CPU Monitor, it is more accurate.
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I don't get it how someone's saying a 100% difference in energy efficiency is "not big"
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Actually it's very clear at this point that the absolute performance of Exynos 990 is not terrible, about 10% behind snapdragon 865 for CPU single core and GPU, and about 20% behind for CPU multicore.
However the big issue is it needs double the power consumption to achieve that performance.
In mobile world talking about performance without energy efficiency is meaningless. Smartphones has sustained TDP of ~4W.
And if you limit both exynos990 and snapdragon 865 to the same 4W TDP, their performance gap is huge.
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I have quite some concrete numbers to back my claims up. You may check them out. Anandtech also have a great article on this topic.
https://twitter.com/lch920619x/status/1244446778662875136?s=19

So if you import the SD version you'll end up with no 5G and no warranty + having to pay $$$ for taxes and import fees. Samsung is giving a free Samsung care+ protection plan in here btw. So it's not worth it for the SD version this year as performance gap isn't so big. Even for the efficiency problem, i do believe that it can be optimized with future software updates + the phone charges quickly so .. buying an already expensive phone with warranty is always the right choice.
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lch920619x said:
I don't get it how someone's saying a 100% difference in energy efficiency is "not big"
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Actually it's very clear at this point that the absolute performance of Exynos 990 is not terrible, about 10% behind snapdragon 865 for CPU single core and GPU, and about 20% behind for CPU multicore.
However the big issue is it needs double the power consumption to achieve that performance.
In mobile world talking about performance without energy efficiency is meaningless. Smartphones has sustained TDP of ~4W.
And if you limit both exynos990 and snapdragon 865 to the same 4W TDP, their performance gap is huge.
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I have quite some concrete numbers to back my claims up. You may check them out. Anandtech also have a great article on this topic.
https://twitter.com/lch920619x/status/1244446778662875136?s=19
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You'll have to repeat these measurements with every ota update for the Exynos if you want to be accurate as there are some changes under the hood.
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mohammed510 said:
So if you import the SD version you'll end up with no 5G and no warranty + having to pay $$$ for taxes and import fees. Samsung is giving a free Samsung care+ protection plan in here btw. So it's not worth it for the SD version this year as performance gap isn't so big. Even for the efficiency problem, i do believe that it can be optimized with future software updates + the phone charges quickly so .. buying an already expensive phone with warranty is always the right choice.
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You'll have to repeat these measurements with every ota update for the Exynos if you want to be accurate as there are some changes under the hood.
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I repeated with ATCT update because I still have the exynos device with me. No change, still terrible. These low level numbers usually do not change. They're pretty much hardware bound

lch920619x said:
I repeated with ATCT update because I still have the exynos device with me. No change, still terrible. These low level numbers usually do not change. They're pretty much hardware bound
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Regarding the poor camera performance of the Snapdragon, were you able to re-check that post ATCT ?

Main differences other than the performance, Snapdragon is better than Exynos in the following areas: generates less heat, has a stronger signal and better battery life. Also, not very important but strange, if you wear polarized sunglasses the Exynos cant be viewed in landscape mode, while snapdragon can be viewed in both orientations, strange but true and since both have the same display this should not happen.

Here is my s20 ultra Exynos Antutu benchmark. Tell me how equal to sd it is.

After heavy use I can use it as Iron.

hostmark said:
After heavy use I can use it as Iron.
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I hope as a Iron knife to cut everything and shoot videos on YouTube.

Kjam33 said:
Here is my s20 ultra Exynos Antutu benchmark. Tell me how equal to sd it is.
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terrible score for the price my yr old op7 pro got 55k

Kjam33 said:
Here is my s20 ultra Exynos Antutu benchmark. Tell me how equal to sd it is.
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Here it is

Here is my S20+ 5G benchmark, very low

This is mine, s20 U Exynos.. not that terrible..

apieschapie said:
This is mine, s20 U Exynos.. not that terrible..
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how long was it in the freezer before

yodainascoda said:
how long was it in the freezer before
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Lol, do u really think I did that.. I'm sorry I'm not that childish. It just lying on the couch like all night.

apieschapie said:
Lol, do u really think I did that.. I'm sorry I'm not that childish. It just lying on the couch like all night.
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you be surprised how many do it to increase score

what Samsung should do is give us the option to replace our current s20s that have Exynos processers with s20s with Snapdragon 865

apieschapie said:
This is mine, s20 U Exynos.. not that terrible..
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Snapdragon finishes same test with battery dropped only 3%