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Does anyone know of any high capacity batteries available for the Ameo/Athena?
Or any articles anywhere to say they are on their way?
Not too sure about an internal extended battery but I use one of these http://www.gpsforless.co.uk/product_details.php?id=4111 I can run for three days with both units charged without recource to the car or mains, light weight and easy to carry plus it can charge most other devices - worth a look - Mike
Perfect! Want one! Cheers!
The link doesn't work any more. In the meantime, we have a 2400mAh high capacity battery and charger for the Athena. It is not in stock right now but we are thinking about bringing some in by Air. Let us know if you need any.
Mark
Lion Battery said:
The link doesn't work any more. In the meantime, we have a 2400mAh high capacity battery and charger for the Athena. It is not in stock right now but we are thinking about bringing some in by Air. Let us know if you need any.
Mark
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What is the price? Is it the same size/weight as the existing battery? Not knowing much, does 2400 vs 2200 mAh make much difference in battery life? THANKS!
few questions regarding new battery...
Lion Battery said:
The link doesn't work any more. In the meantime, we have a 2400mAh high capacity battery and charger for the Athena. It is not in stock right now but we are thinking about bringing some in by Air. Let us know if you need any.
Mark
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Let me know how much and ETA. Some questions:
- How much do these extend the battery life of the device? Talk time / Stand-by time?
- Do they come with the metal clip or without metal clip?
- How do you use charger? USB, etc?
- Description says External Battery. What's up with that? Does the battery go inside or outside of the phone?
I may be in the market for a few of these so let us know ASAP and thanks. I hope the price isn't crazy.
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One more thing guys, this thread belongs in the "Athena accessories" section not here. For future reference.
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One more thing guys, this thread belongs in the "Athena accessories" section not here. For future reference.
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Agreed, here link to same topic. I waiting for one myself.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=315819
Lion Battery said:
The link doesn't work any more. In the meantime, we have a 2400mAh high capacity battery and charger for the Athena. It is not in stock right now but we are thinking about bringing some in by Air. Let us know if you need any.
Mark
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Where you go??? Let us know what's going on. I may want to purchase a few of these if all is well. Don't post and run!...unless you were Spamming the forum and that will bring a ban. :-/
Mark is generally trustworthy, judging by his activity on other forums. He is probably just busy at work. Give it time, he'll answer.
I been buying mugen batteries for years and Mark is a nice guy, no spammer trust me. the pictures show that the battery does have a clip like the original battery. It probably says external because it is removeable (not an internal battery).From my experience with mugen, a 2200 mah battery versus a stock 2200mah the mugen battery will last longer.
so even if its only a few more mah I would rather buy the mugen anyday than the stock battery. You will hear from me soon mark for an order. GM
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Where you go??? Let us know what's going on. I may want to purchase a few of these if all is well. Don't post and run!...unless you were Spamming the forum and that will bring a ban. :-/
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NO spamming! I went to NYC for the weekend as a little get away with the wife. Spent most of the time shopping in Manhattan. Looking for cheap stores. Ended up at expensive stores. I think it'll be cheaper to get a new wife.
On the other hand, maybe not.
But I'm back today and I think I'll tell the powers that be to get some brought in by air. I'll have someone contact the factory and see when we can have some shipped in by air. Hopefully it'll be faster than by sea. Otherwise we'll have to wait for the ones on the ocean. I'll let you know tomorrow.
Mark
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NO spamming! I went to NYC for the weekend as a little get away with the wife. Spent most of the time shopping in Manhattan. Looking for cheap stores. Ended up at expensive stores. I think it'll be cheaper to get a new wife.
On the other hand, maybe not.
But I'm back today and I think I'll tell the powers that be to get some brought in by air. I'll have someone contact the factory and see when we can have some shipped in by air. Hopefully it'll be faster than by sea. Otherwise we'll have to wait for the ones on the ocean. I'll let you know tomorrow.
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Thanks Mark, we are looking forward to your response.
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NO spamming! I went to NYC for the weekend as a little get away with the wife. Spent most of the time shopping in Manhattan. Looking for cheap stores. Ended up at expensive stores. I think it'll be cheaper to get a new wife.
On the other hand, maybe not.
But I'm back today and I think I'll tell the powers that be to get some brought in by air. I'll have someone contact the factory and see when we can have some shipped in by air. Hopefully it'll be faster than by sea. Otherwise we'll have to wait for the ones on the ocean. I'll let you know tomorrow.
Mark
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Thanks for the response. I'm anxious to get the answers to my questions so when you have a moment please review and provide the answers you can.
Don't you know women are more expensive than gadgets?
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Let me know how much and ETA. Some questions:
- How much do these extend the battery life of the device? Talk time / Stand-by time?
- Do they come with the metal clip or without metal clip?
- How do you use charger? USB, etc?
- Description says External Battery. What's up with that? Does the battery go inside or outside of the phone?
I may be in the market for a few of these so let us know ASAP and thanks. I hope the price isn't crazy.
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Q.) How much do these extend the battery life of the device? Talk time / Stand-by time?
A.) I will have to get back to you. The manufacturer is checking that information now. But, typically, we can expect about a 10% increase in capacity.
Q.) Do they come with the metal clip or without metal clip?
A.) Yes it comes with the metal clip and the metal is at the end of the battery.
Q.) How do you use charger? USB, etc?
A.) i) The charger could use the USB cable to connect with the computer for charging, or ii) it also can use the original AC adaptor with the USB plug.
Q.) Description says External Battery. What's up with that? Does the battery go inside or outside of the phone?
A.) It is a battery that fits identically like the OEM battery. We indicate it as external meaning that you do not need to use any tools to open the device to add the battery. Some devices require the user to use Torx screwdrivers to pry open the case to add a battery. This battery is not designed in this fashion.
I hope that these have answered most of your questions. Now, when will we get them? I asked Mugen Power to see if we can get them flown in and it is possible however, they will only be ready to ship by 8/10. So we should have a some in stock for about 8/17. More will arrive about 2-3 weeks after that. We will keep you posted.
Mark
Phone works just fine, but in my haste to flash a rom I didn't check my battery charge and screwed the pooch. So I hacked a USB cord to route power to the phone. In the process of doing so I somehow torched the ability to charge a battery. So I am thinking 50 bucks or something like that.
*sigh* so now I have a droid incredible 2
However, this means that for a small price someone could have this droid 2 to build on and know that it just needs soldered power conduit or if you are really $$ you could figure out how to fix the charging aspect of the phone.
Thoughts comments.
I have been stalking the forums here for quite sometime, make donations and generally keep my mouth shut.
Hello all.
And good night.
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how much are you goin to sell it for and how extensive is the damage
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how much are you goin to sell it for and how extensive is the damage
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Honestly the phone is a paper weight really for anyone looking to get practical mobility out of it.
The only way the phone will power on is with the hacked USB cable I have made. Basically overrides battery and powers the phone.
Would be ideal for someone who wants to try and have verizon fix it. Or to build ROMs on.
The phone is in slightly used shape. Screen is protected and flawless. Keyboard is find as well. Small nick on one of the corners. The phone will not recognize any new battery. Phone loads a display of a battery with a ? inside of it. When a battery is inserted.
I am here to solve your problem my brutha Go to radio shack, they have a enercell universal charger for 40 bucks there that will let you charge ANY cell phone battery (did the same thing). Charge your battery and bring it back to the store for a full refund, or keep it like I did as I do stupid things regularly
Hi everyone,
I have had my Nexus 4 for over a year and have noticed that the battery just doesn't last as long as it used to. So I ask, those who have replaced it, is it worth it and do you see a difference? Also, can you fit a larger battery inside with the glass back still intact? Like maybe a 2500 size instead of the stock 2100?
It's not worth it until you rule out other causes of the battery draining. Software is the problem 99 times out of 100. You should only ever replace the battery with an original one.
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Hi everyone,
I have had my Nexus 4 for over a year and have noticed that the battery just doesn't last as long as it used to. So I ask, those who have replaced it, is it worth it and do you see a difference? Also, can you fit a larger battery inside with the glass back still intact? Like maybe a 2500 size instead of the stock 2100?
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After about 500 cycles, a lithium rechargeable battery will have lost upwards of 20% of its original capacity. If you charge more than once a day, you could have reached that point by now. A new battery is about $20 off eBay. I can't comment on the difference it actually makes because I got my Nexus 4 with a broken screen and replaced the screen and battery at the same time.
You can also extend your battery life by flashing a custom kernel like HellsCore (which is slightly undervolted) and play around with underclocking, undervolting, different governors, and running on fewer cores. For example, I've kept mine at a dual core 1.2GHz with intellidemand governor (CM11), and it still runs smoothly most of the time, with only the occasional hint of stutter. And if you want to play a game or something, just crank everything back up. And of course there's the obvious battery-saving methods, like turning screen brightness down, disabling GPS/wi-fi, synching less often, and limiting data to 3G instead of 4G. Plus the less obvious methods like Greenify and/or Tasker.
To my knowledge, there's no higher capacity batteries, or even external battery cases for the Nexus 4.
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After about 500 cycles, a lithium rechargeable battery will have lost upwards of 20% of its original capacity. If you charge more than once a day, you could have reached that point by now. A new battery is about $20 off eBay. I can't comment on the difference it actually makes because I got my Nexus 4 with a broken screen and replaced the screen and battery at the same time.
You can also extend your battery life by flashing a custom kernel like HellsCore (which is slightly undervolted) and play around with underclocking, undervolting, different governors, and running on fewer cores. For example, I've kept mine at a dual core 1.2GHz with intellidemand governor (CM11), and it still runs smoothly most of the time, with only the occasional hint of stutter. And if you want to play a game or something, just crank everything back up. And of course there's the obvious battery-saving methods, like turning screen brightness down, disabling GPS/wi-fi, synching less often, and limiting data to 3G instead of 4G. Plus the less obvious methods like Greenify and/or Tasker.
To my knowledge, there's no higher capacity batteries, or even external battery cases for the Nexus 4.
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It's not worth it until you rule out other causes of the battery draining. Software is the problem 99 times out of 100. You should only ever replace the battery with an original one.
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Thanks for the replies.
I've tried software tweaks, kernel tweaks, everything, greenify all things in that sorts, different kernel profiles etc. It makes a difference but still not as good as it used to be. I might as well try replacing it, I can always put the old battery back in if I want, not that hard to change. There's a Galaxy S3 battery, I think its the same size, not sure with a higher capacity, same size, same voltage etc I could go for that if I wanted to :good:
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There's a Galaxy S3 battery, I think its the same size, not sure with a higher capacity, same size, same voltage etc I could go for that if I wanted to :good:
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Have you seen what the N4's battery and connector looks like? That ain't gonna work. It won't fit, for one thing. Wrong shape, and the N4 battery is pretty slim because it doesn't have a stiff protective covering (it's actually kinda flexible - be careful prying it off the adhesive) and even if you found a battery that did fit, you'd have to rig up some sort of splice for the connector, which would probably take up more space, defeating the purpose of finding a higher capacity battery.
I did find a couple battery cases. There's the Mugen 4500mAh, but it's both freaking huge and freaking expensive (nearly 1" thick, $90), and the ZeroLemon, but it's also freaking huge, only has a (removable) 2200mAh battery, and I can't find one anywhere actually for sale.
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Have you seen what the N4's battery and connector looks like? That ain't gonna work. It won't fit, for one thing. Wrong shape, and the N4 battery is pretty slim because it doesn't have a stiff protective covering (it's actually kinda flexible - be careful prying it off the adhesive) and even if you found a battery that did fit, you'd have to rig up some sort of splice for the connector, which would probably take up more space, defeating the purpose of finding a higher capacity battery.
I did find a couple battery cases. There's the Mugen 4500mAh, but it's both freaking huge and freaking expensive (nearly 1" thick, $90), and the ZeroLemon, but it's also freaking huge, only has a (removable) 2200mAh battery, and I can't find one anywhere actually for sale.
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Yeah I've seen all the cases already. Too big. I don't mind doing surgery on the battery to make it work but only if I can find a higher capacity one that's gonna fit I'll consider it.
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Yeah I've seen all the cases already. Too big. I don't mind doing surgery on the battery to make it work but only if I can find a higher capacity one that's gonna fit I'll consider it.
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I've thought about trying getting a new back cover (minus the glass), cutting a chunk out of it, and rigging up a larger capacity battery. It's the connector that stops me (that, and my lack of knowledge and tools to do so).
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I've thought about trying getting a new back cover (minus the glass), cutting a chunk out of it, and rigging up a larger capacity battery. It's the connector that stops me (that, and my lack of knowledge and tools to do so).
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Just do this. This is where I got the surgery idea. Bit complex but it seems like its worth it :good:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-4/general/4200mah-nexus-4-internal-battery-t2239829
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There is no way you're going to put an s3 battery into a nexus 4 and have good results, please put any notion of this out of your head now, it's pretty absurd. Also you may struggle to use your original battery after replacement, a lot of people damage it during removal.
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There is no way you're going to put an s3 battery into a nexus 4 and have good results, please put any notion of this out of your head now, it's pretty absurd. Also you may struggle to use your original battery after replacement, a lot of people damage it during removal.
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Look at the above thread, its possible and doable, not absurd.
I'll be careful when taking it out, its easier with a hair dryer because of the adhesive under the battery
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Anyone who did it is an absolute idiot, but whatever, melt your phone and burn your face off if you want. Notice how there are no follow up posts from anyone even a month down the line in that thread, I think they all died (but seriously, their battery is ****ed now and they're too embarrassed to post anything)
But here's some videos of lithium batteries exploding from incorrect charging
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMy2_qNO2Y0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VswaFOrVM6I
Also the fact you want to use a samsung battery has me even more concerned
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=s...HV0QXy24CoCQ&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ&biw=1366&bih=643
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...-burn-from-a-galaxy-s3-samsungs-off-the-hook/ (This girl used a fake s3 battery, in an actual s3. You're gonna put a fake s3 battery in a Nexus 4?!?!?!)
I agree with what DrFredPhD said, LIB are very dangerous if tampered with or altered physically.
If you're really having drastic differences in battery life then you're supposes to then I would suggest you replace your N4 battery with an original one itself, don't go for any other options
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I agree with what DrFredPhD said, LIB are very dangerous if tampered with or altered physically.
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Yeah, running/charging multiple lithium batteries typically isn't a good idea. But the videos that DrFredPhD posted aren't what you'll get with a cell phone battery.
Li-ion and Li-po batteries in commercial devices have built-in circuitry to prevent overcharging, overdischarging, reverse polarity, and short circuits. If you short it, the circuitry kicks in and kills everything. Putting it back in the device/charger resets the kill switch. Same if the charge gets too high, or the discharge gets to low. Circuity switches the battery off, and prevents overcharging and runaway discharging.
Those videos show batteries that don't have that circuitry. Either it was removed, or they're cells used by hobbiests and were purchased unprotected. Unprotected cells are available for hobbiests (R/C stuff, high-powered flashlights, etc) and some use them because the circuitry in protected cells leeches a bit of your juice. In an R/C car, that could mean a few more seconds and one more completed lap, in an R/C plane or helicopter, a few more seconds of air time before you crash. But there are obvious dangers.
Those dangers don't exist with commercial protected batteries. Well, they do, but that's when you buy a cheap knock-off from China, or the cell is defective, like those Sony and Dell laptops that were catching fire several years ago.
But even with protected commercial batteries, problems can occur (just not explosively dangerous ones). If the cells are mismatched in capacity, or one has a higher charge than the other, the higher capacity one will try to charge the other one, and the battery life of both will suffer, plus since they're also trying to power the device or receive a charge, they'll get really hot and can be damaged. Running identical cells is one thing. Charging should be done separately so that they start off the same. It's not the same as with a laptop or electric car, because they have additional circuitry to make things safe. It's also not the same as using a battery bank to power/charge your device, because effectively, that's just the same as plugging into a USB jack.
Battery Monitor Widget Pro is reporting around 1700mAh or less to me now so I'm wondering if my battery also needs to be replaced... Happy to use quality OEM but can it be done myself or should I pay someone?
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Battery Monitor Widget Pro is reporting around 1700mAh or less to me now so I'm wondering if my battery also needs to be replaced... Happy to use quality OEM but can it be done myself or should I pay someone?
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You can replace it yourself. You'll need a T5 TORX driver for the screws at the bottom of the phone, and then something thin to pry the halves apart, preferably plastic so you don't damage your phone's body. It helps to heat it up with a hairdryer to soften the glue.
As for that app, I don't know if I trust it.
so I broke the tab in the usb port in my nexus 4. I bought an induction charger but it doesn't seem to be charging the thing very well. It will sometimes turn on and I can see the battery is at 0% and it shuts down. do you think there is a chance there is a short in the port itself making it so that the battery drains itself? I left it charging overnight with no luck. What to do next? remove the port entirely while I wait for the new usb daughter board to come in the mail?
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so I broke the tab in the usb port in my nexus 4. I bought an induction charger but it doesn't seem to be charging the thing very well. It will sometimes turn on and I can see the battery is at 0% and it shuts down. do you think there is a chance there is a short in the port itself making it so that the battery drains itself? I left it charging overnight with no luck. What to do next? remove the port entirely while I wait for the new usb daughter board to come in the mail?
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I think it's more likely that the broken USB tab is causing either a short or has broken a connection the phone expects, which fools the circuitry into thinking the phone is plugged in to USB, which won't allow it to charge via Qi. You could try charging it with the daughterboard removed, but I'd be surprised if it works. Hopefully you have a back-up phone while you wait for the part, even if it's a RAZR V3 or Nokia 3310. SIM won't match, obviously, but you can probably pick up an adapter locally.
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I think it's more likely that the broken USB tab is causing either a short or has broken a connection the phone expects, which fools the circuitry into thinking the phone is plugged in to USB, which won't allow it to charge via Qi. You could try charging it with the daughterboard removed, but I'd be surprised if it works. Hopefully you have a back-up phone while you wait for the part, even if it's a RAZR V3 or Nokia 3310. SIM won't match, obviously, but you can probably pick up an adapter locally.
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That makes sense. I do have an old samsung tmobile phone that lasts about 4 hours on its battery. I guess I might be using that for a few days. I'ts at home though and I'm at work. It would be nice if this thing would just work. I need to find a t5 torx wrench and scew it up more......
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That makes sense. I do have an old samsung tmobile phone that lasts about 4 hours on its battery. I guess I might be using that for a few days. I'ts at home though and I'm at work. It would be nice if this thing would just work. I need to find a t5 torx wrench and scew it up more......
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Some advice for someone who hasn't taken this phone apart yet:
First, go to ifixit and familiarize yourself with the teardown guide. There are also some youtube videos that are helpful (if you can't find them immediately, look for screen replacement guides.
Second, you'll need something thin and flat, and hopefully not with sharp edges. They make tools for this, but I doubt you'll be willing to order them and wait. Myself, I used the nail file from a keychain Swiss Army Knife. It's possible, even likely you'll cosmetically damage the plastic up a bit. If you have a hair drier (or even a heat gun), this can aid in softening up the adhesive. In any case, go slowly.
Do the disassembly over a fluffy towel. There are many tiny screws, and a fluffy towel will trap them rather than having them bounce away and disappear.
As I write this, another thought occurs to me. If you can, wait a few more days, but order yourself a new battery off eBay. Many sellers include the needed disassembly tools (including a T5 TORX, small Philips, and the plastic separating tools). Your Nexus 4 is probably 1.5-2.5 years old by now, which means your battery has had well over 500 cycles. At this point, you've lost upwards of 20% your battery's original capacity. Or don't wait, but order a new battery anyway and reopen the phone when you get it. The degradation of a battery is slow and one really doesn't notice it until that day you think to yourself "it seems like it used to last longer". Indeed, you may open up your phone to discover a puffed-out battery in desperate need of replacement anyway.
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Some advice for someone who hasn't taken this phone apart yet:
First, go to ifixit and familiarize yourself with the teardown guide. There are also some youtube videos that are helpful (if you can't find them immediately, look for screen replacement guides.
Second, you'll need something thin and flat, and hopefully not with sharp edges. They make tools for this, but I doubt you'll be willing to order them and wait. Myself, I used the nail file from a keychain Swiss Army Knife. It's possible, even likely you'll cosmetically damage the plastic up a bit. If you have a hair drier (or even a heat gun), this can aid in softening up the adhesive. In any case, go slowly.
Do the disassembly over a fluffy towel. There are many tiny screws, and a fluffy towel will trap them rather than having them bounce away and disappear.
As I write this, another thought occurs to me. If you can, wait a few more days, but order yourself a new battery off eBay. Many sellers include the needed disassembly tools (including a T5 TORX, small Philips, and the plastic separating tools). Your Nexus 4 is probably 1.5-2.5 years old by now, which means your battery has had well over 500 cycles. At this point, you've lost upwards of 20% your battery's original capacity. Or don't wait, but order a new battery anyway and reopen the phone when you get it. The degradation of a battery is slow and one really doesn't notice it until that day you think to yourself "it seems like it used to last longer". Indeed, you may open up your phone to discover a puffed-out battery in desperate need of replacement anyway.
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Cool. I did end up ordering a new battery because of just that thought. It will be coming Friday though so I might not want to wait. I'll probably end up opening it up twice.. I also happened to open the phone about a 3 weeks after I bought it as somehow the screen cracked. I also have a heatgun. The phone is pretty old. I got it on release.
Hi guys, I can have SHIELD Tablet with Y01 battery but I'm little bit afraid of that fire hazard. It is running cool without any signs of overheating but I'm still worried that I can get my house burned. What is your opinion, is the danger real or is it just small number of batteries affected and this is just procaution by Nvidia? thank you for your answers!
I believe it has something to do with folks using super fast chargers, and the voltage causing the batteries to overheat and fail.
If you are using the stock charger, you should be fine until your replacement arrives.
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I believe it has something to do with folks using super fast chargers, and the voltage causing the batteries to overheat and fail.
If you are using the stock charger, you should be fine until your replacement arrives.
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Well, thing is, I can have unit with Y01 battery for free but without warranty and ability to ask for replacement unit. CM12.1 is installed so Nvidia can't kill it. Should I go for it?
I don't think that is a question any of us can answer for you. Is the danger real? Yes, very much so. There are at least 4 reports of fire damage. Can you reduce your chance of risk? Maybe. If I were you and wanted to keep mine, I'd make certain adjustments to how I use the device. For example, I wouldn't leave it plugged in while I was away. I would only use stock chargers. I wouldn't use the device outdoors (if its hot outside) or anywhere else it gets poor air circulation (on a carpeted floor).
Ultimately it has to be your decision. And check your local laws regarding insurance and use of known defective devices.
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