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June 13th Release

Let the rumor train keepon a rollin'
Here's the link and another and one more.
Also, as some comments have said, I think they're mixing up 4G service for 4G hotspot. I don't believe (or cross my fingers/hope/pray/etc) that Sprint will charge extra for 4G, but will charge the $10-20 for the mobile hotspot.

That's over two months from now.... WTF lol.
Here's another link from Engadget - http://mobile.engadget.com/2010/04/07/htc-evo-4g-landing-on-sprint-mid-june-4g-to-be-a-10-20-add-on/

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Here's another link from Engadget - http://mobile.engadget.com/2010/04/07/htc-evo-4g-landing-on-sprint-mid-june-4g-to-be-a-10-20-add-on/
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Ahh you beat me to it, was just about to add that.
And yeah, I know.. The release date is way too far away for me, I'm tired of sitting on this stupid upgrade.

keatre said:
I'm tired of sitting on this stupid upgrade.
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Same here!!! I've been sitting on my upgrade since Nov. lol

Let me ask you Sprint customers about coverage.
I know they say Verizon has the most coverage blah blah and AT&T is next. I just think in sheer numbers these two get the most rezognition because of the 90Mil and 85Mil customer they have.
But I have been looking at the Spring Coverage and it seems they cover better of lots of areas that Verizon and AT&T are not that good at and equal to areas to areas they cover well.
Also any roaming charges? I ask this only because I am not familair with their data/phone plans anymore. The last time I had them was when roaming was a KILLER Charge!
So would you say their coverage is not given enough credit?
I don't like Verizon. I am inclined to pick up an HTC Telstra on April 27th for my AT&T network. I have no contract at the moment. I got the T-Mobile and returned it due to the bad coverage at some client locations and inside buildings the are horrid.
AT&T seems to cover almost every area that I need so far.
Sprint seems to cover them well but I like real life data not Sprint Data.
Thanks for your any input..

Sprint has fairly good coverage in my area. I live in a small town and have full bars inside my house. The only dropouts I have experienced in a 60 mile radius are in places where I doubt there is a tower for any cell provider and even then data just drops to 1x (I drive across an inlet bridge with land about a mile wide with the atlantic ocean to one side and the bay to the other side.)
I feel Sprint is getting back in the game full force. Time will tell when they roll out the EVO and 4G. Some potential problems could arise such as customers purchasing the EVO only to find out there is no 4G coverage in their area etc... But it's a risk Sprint will take and incentive to expand their network. You also have to remember not everyone is a smart phone junky or even cares about 4G. Most want a phone to talk on and text/picture message. I get asked by someone sitting on a laptop checking their email about why I play with my phone so much and I turn and smile and say I'm just doing the same thing you are and they still don't really get it. So it's an evolution although it will be marketed as a revolution.

I think Sprint's main problem, and something they have obviosuly known and been working on, is their device line.
Why is AT&T so popular? The iPhone of course...
If you don't like the iPhone, or don't like AT&T, check out Verizon, they've got that Droid!..
Oh wait, I don't like Verizon either... Tmob has a Droid Eris, right?
Wait, Tmob sucks... What's Sprint got? A TP2 that costs me 299?!, so yeah, that Droid looks good.
People are obsessed with what device they have, and THEN about their coverage. It's the only way AT&T can get away with jacking up their iPhone prices that high -- while Sprint offers the SAME plan for 30-40 a month cheaper.
But to answer your question, Sprint's coverage is great for me. Granted I'm in Texas (Sprint has 4G all over the place here), but for the cheaper plan and great coverage, I would say Sprint is probably the best carrier in my region. Why are so few people using Sprint? -my main guess (and I think its a good one) is that Sprint has crap phones.

keatre said:
I think Sprint's main problem, and something they have obviosuly known and been working on, is their device line.
Why are so few people using Sprint? -my main guess (and I think its a good one) is that Sprint has crap phones.
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I don't think you can call 51.9 million Sprint subscribers (as of January 2010) "so few". Verizon had 67.2 million, and AT&T was sitting at 71.3 million. So take into account that the AVERAGE cell phone subscriber only knows what they see in commercials, the 15.3 million difference between Sprint and Verizon is easy to imagine. I have run into countless employees who have no idea that Sprint rates are better than Verizon's. They always cite, "Verizon has better coverage...", then I show them the rate difference and they swap over. Not to mention that coverage areas for Sprint and Verizon are almost the same. That being said, AT&T only has 3.9 million more than Verizon, and that can be attributed to the iPhone craze.

Jye75 said:
I don't think you can call 51.9 million Sprint subscribers (as of January 2010) "so few". Verizon had 67.2 million, and AT&T was sitting at 71.3 million. So take into account that the AVERAGE cell phone subscriber only knows what they see in commercials, the 15.3 million difference between Sprint and Verizon is easy to imagine. I have run into countless employees who have no idea that Sprint rates are better than Verizon's. They always cite, "Verizon has better coverage...", then I show them the rate difference and they swap over. Not to mention that coverage areas for Sprint and Verizon are almost the same. That being said, AT&T only has 3.9 million more than Verizon, and that can be attributed to the iPhone craze.
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Woah passive aggressive, sorry dude.. I think we're saying the same thing (or atleast getting at it), but your prose is oh so more eloquent. My sincerest apologies.

michd43 said:
Same here!!! I've been sitting on my upgrade since Nov. lol
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I'm in the same predicament, except I started taking advantage of Sprint's 30 day guarantee, and am trying out different phones until the EVO gets here. (~$30 a pop when you return it)
I have a touch pro, and last month tried the Moment, it was cool, but had to return it.
Now I have the Pre, and I'm liking it so much (other than having to figure out how to pop open they keyboard with one hand) that I'm afraid I might not be able to return it.
[email protected] had mentioned that a number of 4G phones are to be released this year, I'm wondering if I should wait until the fall to make a decision on what phone is to keep my upgrade credit.

MetroKnight said:
I'm in the same predicament, except I started taking advantage of Sprint's 30 day guarantee, and am trying out different phones until the EVO gets here. (~$30 a pop when you return it)
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I was thinking of doing that lol. I had the Pre for a month and return it. All I need is a good device (the Evo) and being a sprint premier customer, I get 1 year contracts. So hopefully that hold me over till the next great device .

Getting very close to calling an attorney...

This is unacceptable. I love my Atrix, but the only the one thing that is making me get very close to throwing this on eBay and canceling my AT&T Contract (yes...I would still come out ahead even after ETF and what not...but only by a little bit) is AT&T's Service and Customer Service.
While I understand that a lot.....a lot of places do not have 4G/HSPA yet and AT&T is rolling out the service over the year, and I consider this to be understandable as it is "new" technology and only at the "major" markets right now. What is NOT acceptable is having a device that displays H+ when all data speed tests show it below 3G and barely above EDGE. And now while I thought that this was just my phone this seems to be a common trend on this forum and with all my friends that have acquired AT&Ts 4G phones (Atrix and Inspire). But while yes it is AT&T, and yes they are notorious for having a bad network, this is an insult to the intelligence of their customers. Stating to them to their faces, on their devices that they are connected to a HSPA/4G when they clearly are not.
I find it a little (that's a lie....more like extremely) unsettling how much data seems to go out, by which I mean turn off or be cut off. I run 4-5 miles everyday, and having music is a huge part of that. I recently came from a Samsung Focus, which was nice but lacked some of the functions that I needed (Proper Google Calendar Support, Copy & Paste, Multitasking, etc...) thus I switched to the Atrix. The problem is, while on my walks with my Focus, I never once had to have a song on Slacker, Pandora, or Zune stop 3+ times to buffer or stop completely because I went from 5 bars to 0...in open area on a very sunny day. This is what is happening with my Atrix. I have stopped using Pandora, Slacker, and Grooveshark due to how pitiful it is with the AT&T's data connection. I have literally seen my phone go from full bars to absolutely none in an open area, one in which my Focus still maintained full service. As a user, this is unacceptable and I should not have to put my SIM card into a different phone for my daily runs due to how mediocre your network is with regards to a phone that you are now hailing as your "flagship" device.
I have noticed that there is no display for 3G on the phone. In an area I know for a fact is too rural to have HSPA (they just received 3G approximately a year ago) my phone is still reporting H+. I do not know if this is a slip up on Motorola's end or something AT&T is doing this on purpose but I am truly confounded on how you can purposefully choose to display false information to your customers and not think that they would notice. But like I said earlier, I originally thought that this was just my phone and went to the AT&T store to see what is wrong.
First they replaced the phone. No effect, still the same data results, still the same outages, still the same everything. Then they replace the SIM card with a "Newer 4G Card", for which again there was absolutely not a change in anything. The sales rep at AT&T was very confused when I showed him the buffering, or lack thereof, of music and videos, the speed tests, and the phone literally dropping from full to almost no bars within seconds (these aren't that hard to reproduce, it just took him holding my phone and walking around the store to see the bars drop to none and see that he couldn't access the internet or any data after it hard dropped without a reboot). The employee called forth his manager who did not know what to do, and when I said that this was unacceptable and I wanted to return it, I was informed that it would be subject to a 20% restocking fee [$40] and I would still have renewed my contract and need to get a new phone while I was there.
Though I will admit that I am no attorney, I know for a fact that they can not do that as their would be no "mutual consideration" between the two parties in the contract if I were to return my phone, thus there is no contract (in other words, by returning the phone I would have gained nothing yet they would have gained me as a customer for another 2 years, hence my eBay statement at the beginning). I explained that that didn't make sense that I am being force to continue my contract when the only reason I extended it was to get the Atrix and had no interest in any other phones on such an unreliable network. He then told me I would have to call their corporate and return the phone to them, and see what they said if I wanted to go this route. Personally, I feel he is 100% incorrect and wrong here, but there was no reason to cause a scene at the store.
So here I sit, with a phone that constantly drops data and blatantly lies to me about it's H+ status. I know I should cut my losses and just sell the phone online (though with eBay and Paypal fees...who's to say I will make a profit as they gouge you on those), but this is unacceptable. It is unacceptable to blatantly falsely advertise your product in stores and lie to your customers by having the phone display only H+ and EDGE on it, with no in-between (aka 3G). I know this is an anti-AT&T rant right now, and it is meant to be, but this is at a level that is unacceptable and deserves to be investigated by the FCC. AT&T needs to realize that they can not treat their customers like this and expect no whiplash for it.
If anything, Apple has proven that there is no company that is too godlike to get knocked down a few pegs and AT&T is getting to that point. Am I over reacting and acting on emotions due to being treated like **** for a phone I put $200 down and almost a $100 a month for? More than likely, but AT&T deserves a swift, strong, and imprinting kick to the ass for this. Oh well, I'm off to the gym for a bit to relieve some of this pent up anger.
TL;DR: HSPA is showing for 4G and 3G, when it is touted as not being 3G. Data is constantly getting dropped, AT&T treats customers like crap, this is unacceptable and they need to be taught a lesson.

If you're that unhappy with it, return the damn thing. I may dislike some of the crap they did with this device, but hiring an attourney is retarded. ITS JUST A PHONE. They offer 20+ other devices, im sure there is one you'd like
Yikes.

leadguy68 said:
If you're that unhappy with it, return the damn thing. I may dislike some of the crap they did with this device, but hiring an attourney is retarded. ITS JUST A PHONE. They offer 20+ other devices, im sure there is one you'd like
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It seems they only offer one without hsupa deactivated.
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Make sure you get a great lawyer your going to need it.

Lawyer up, and be sure to continue updating this thread so I can take comedic breaks at work from time to time!

Go return your phone, get a lawyer and quit *****in.
Oh, and please don't get anything that's new, make sure to wait at least 6 months for the bugs to get worked out. kthxbye

please stop posting on international websites! You're giving Americans a bad reputation...

edounn said:
please stop posting on international websites! You're giving Americans a bad reputation...
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No, I think he's only perpetuating the myth. When in doubt, sue. There's a host of iPhone class action lawsuits - OP should put his money where his big mouth is and hire a lawyer.

mister_al said:
No, I think he's only perpetuating the myth. When in doubt, sue. There's a host of iPhone class action lawsuits - OP should put his money where his big mouth is and hire a lawyer.
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At least he's not driving his car though AT&T's doors. You know those concrete/metal pillars in front of all your Canadian business? That's an American idea. :-D

Rydsmith said:
Though I will admit that I am no attorney, I know for a fact that they can not do that as their would be no "mutual consideration" between the two parties in the contract if I were to return my phone, thus there is no contract (in other words, by returning the phone I would have gained nothing yet they would have gained me as a customer for another 2 years, hence my eBay statement at the beginning).
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Wow, you should maybe go and audit a first year contracts class. This is an incredibly erroneous statement. The consideration here is the payment of $$ to ATT and in return ATT gives you phone service. It makes no difference that you could have achieved the same result without a 2 year agreement.
There is likely some legal basis for an action against ATT in there somewhere, but there is no way the damages would even cover a hour's worth of an attorney's time.

Cool story, bro.
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I am having the same issue. I would get a solid 1-2mb from speed tests at home (live in the middle of no where) with my iPhone 3GS and at the office with full bars 3mb+. With the Atrix I haven't gotten above 900K at home and I tested multiple times at the office and never above 2mb. When it tests the speed dial is all jittery like it's got tourettes or something. It's not a smooth progression like my iPhone was. I am not ready to give up though. Maybe there will be an update or someone on xda can come out with a new radio.

There will be no new radios unless motorola gives it to you directly
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I understand how you feel, however, posting an angry rant on here doesn't really help.
Don't waste your time and money on an attorney, just take the phone back like the rest of us here that don't like it and get something else; save your upgrade for something better.

I am honestly not sure what you are trying to sue them for....
most of the issues that you stated have to do with you not getting good service in your area. that isnt at&ts fault (if you know the politics behind building towers. Where I live, work, and play, I get on average 2-3 mb/s down, i never buffer on HQ youtube, and flash videos load with ease. Dropped calls are uncommon in my area as well. If you are not getting the service with at&t then go somewhere else. there is a reason why there are 4 main carriers to choose from.
as for the huge 4g speeds issue, it is clear that backhaul isnt up yet...is it a 4g network? sure its 4th generation network, maybe not in terms of speed, but we arent there yet. so sell your atrix, cut your losses, and go to someone who gives you better service. As long as i am not paying more for "4g," then its all good.
oh, and as for not showing "3g," its because HSPA+ is 3g with enhanced backhaul. you are connecting to the same towers as 3g. that is why 98% of towers will give you H+. once again, the phone cant distinguish 3g from H+ by speed because speed varies to much...that would mean that the phone would have a speed test running in the background constantly.

MarcMaiden said:
I am honestly not sure what you are trying to sue them for....
most of the issues that you stated have to do with you not getting good service in your area. that isnt at&ts fault (if you know the politics behind building towers. Where I live, work, and play, I get on average 2-3 mb/s down, i never buffer on HQ youtube, and flash videos load with ease. Dropped calls are uncommon in my area as well. If you are not getting the service with at&t then go somewhere else. there is a reason why there are 4 main carriers to choose from.
as for the huge 4g speeds issue, it is clear that backhaul isnt up yet...is it a 4g network? sure its 4th generation network, maybe not in terms of speed, but we arent there yet. so sell your atrix, cut your losses, and go to someone who gives you better service. As long as i am not paying more for "4g," then its all good.
oh, and as for not showing "3g," its because HSPA+ is 3g with enhanced backhaul. you are connecting to the same towers as 3g. that is why 98% of towers will give you H+. once again, the phone cant distinguish 3g from H+ by speed because speed varies to much...that would mean that the phone would have a speed test running in the background constantly.
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Good Post, Totally Agree!

OMG, I can't believe you actually made this post. Just return your Atrix, get a new phone and get a new life as well. If there are several operators in your area, just change and I'm sure you'll be happier.

I wish you luck. lol
The point is that you have no leg to stand on as nobody forced you to buy it, and it's impossible at this point to be past your return period.
You honestly think that your lawyer is going to be better than theirs? This is honestly sad and funny at the same time.
It's an effing phone.
Marketing is marketing. When bmw says that their new car can do 0-60 in 4.2 seconds and you can only do it in 5.2 nobody cares and nobody is getting sued. If push came to shove AT&T would just show that in one place you get hspa+ speeds and you're all done.

If you even cared to read ANY general thread in this forum, perform a google search, or a search of XDA, you would quickly and easily find that the H+ is displayed with any 3G reception... You would also know that the backhaul isn't being done at the time of the Atrix release.
Stop trolling up the forum.
Edit: Dont you know attorney's cost money? Don't you think it would be a better investment to just get a different phone/carrier/anything before paying for a lawyer?

according to the dope at my ATT store, the HSPA+ icon is supposed to symbolize where hspa+ is available. he mentioned that "ATT doesn't advertise that we have a 4g network RUNNING yet, as we have yet to roll out back haul to anywhere except major cities (downtown) and ATT stores yet"
I'm guessing once all hsdpa is converted into hspa+ , then the symbol will make sense. It does display an E when your on edge.
On a side note, I guess that means they do have hspa+ running at their stores. someone visit their att store and run a speedtest plz.

>>>>AT&T Lies and they admit it! *READ*<<<<

So I just had a very long conversation with an AT&T rep. I asked him why is my "4G" soooo slow. He told me that my SIM card said I was using my Touch Pro 2 still, I checked myself on my account and I was clearly not. So then he said the my Unlimited Data plan didn't support AT&T's 4G plan (even though 3 Advisors said it did.
After that he told me that if I wanted 4G speeds I had to get a "4G" 2GB or 200MB data plan. So I said, "Well theres been many tests on Engadget and the XDA developers and that they all had slow speed." His reply was something like this, "You're reading off of forums and blogs, which aren't official statements and I would know more about this than they would."
I got into a heated argument about how T-Mobile had way faster HSPA+ speeds and how the iPhone 4's DL and UL speeds weren't capped. He told me that there has to be capped speeds so that everyone gets a fair share. So is iPhone 4 getting faster speeds while Android phones get capped fair? F**k no.
I told him that If this Bullsh*t doesn't get fixed by the end of may, I'm switching to Verizon, where 4G really means 4G and not sub-3G.
He finally said that the speeds have been capped because they want to push more people to the iPhone 4, which can draw in more revenue.
>>I will call them again and record it. That is if people want me to.

Yes, please call back and record a CS person saying that speeds are capped because of the reasons you posted.
After that, I... might.. believe you.

wirednix said:
Yes, please call back and record a CS person saying that speeds are capped because of the reasons you posted.
After that, I... might.. believe you.
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LOL. You must be on AT&T side. Ill have to call bad later this week.

Ouch.. That sucks... I recently switched from AT&T to T-Mobile and the speeds are a lot better... I really hope the whole merge doesn't go through...
In my prior experience with AT&T, 3G speeds were great until everyone started using an iPhone, then their network became saturated...It's to bad they don't care about their customers and the speed as much as they do their revenue..

Chubby_Skunk said:
LOL. You must be on AT&T side. Ill have to call bad later this week.
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I'm on the side of reason.
But I'll let you be now. I forget about the "do not feed" rule sometimes.

brenix said:
Ouch.. That sucks... I recently switched from AT&T to T-Mobile and the speeds are a lot better... I really hope the whole merge doesn't go through...
In my prior experience with AT&T, 3G speeds were great until everyone started using an iPhone, then their network became saturated...It's to bad they don't care about their customers and the speed as much as they do their revenue..
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Wow you understand. I hope the deal doesn't go through. If it doesn't then Im going to T-Mobile for the better speeds and the waaaaaaaay better customer support. AT&T = Evil Empire

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I'm on the side of reason.
But I'll let you be now. I forget about the "do not feed" rule sometimes.
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What? But everyone knows AT&T lies. Im going to call again and see what they say. Ill record it with my camera (I don't trust call recorders on phones) and put it up.

What a waste of space. Ever phone company lies, its the way it is. If you do not like what ATT offers, move on.

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What a waste of space. Ever phone company lies, its the way it is. If you do not like what ATT offers, move on.
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If HSUPA or HSPA+ doesn't get enabled soon im either going to verizon with LTE and actually coverage or T-Mobile where you get what you paid for. AT&T screwed all of us, including you.

Some areas still do not have 3g, let alone 4g. I bought mine off contract, so I did not pay for 4g.

Yea... i really don't think the guy you spoke with has any idea wtf he's talking about.
"the speeds have been capped because they want to push more people to the iPhone 4, which can draw in more revenue."
Mmhmm... now let's look at the completely idiotic sounding literal version of that if we include information that we already know.
"The speeds have been capped on the Atrix and Inspire in order to push more people to buy iPhones, even though other non-4G-capable Android phones are capable of the same 3G speeds as the iPhones are. We are also not publicly stating that the iPhone is capable of faster data rates at this time in hopes that the iPhone might be their next choice if they buy a 4G-capable phone and are dissatisfied with the service."
... see what i'm getting at here?

sifon187 said:
Some areas still do not have 3g, let alone 4g. I bought mine off contract, so I did not pay for 4g.
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Well nether did I. I just kept the Unlimited data that ive had for the past 2 years

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Yea... i really don't think the guy you spoke with has any idea wtf he's talking about.
"the speeds have been capped because they want to push more people to the iPhone 4, which can draw in more revenue."
Mmhmm... now let's look at the completely idiotic sounding literal version of that if we include information that we already know.
"The speeds have been capped on the Atrix and Inspire in order to push more people to buy iPhones, even though other non-4G-capable Android phones are capable of the same 3G speeds as the iPhones are. We are also not publicly stating that the iPhone is capable of faster data rates at this time in hopes that the iPhone might be their next choice if they buy a 4G-capable phone and are dissatisfied with the service."
... see what i'm getting at here?
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Yeah, thats why im going to call them again.

Chubby_Skunk said:
LOL. You must be on AT&T side. Ill have to call bad later this week.
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When j bought my atrix an instore rep told me that 2
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I talked to AT&T yesterday to ask about HSPA+ backhaul timeframe. They said they won't give a date so they aren't giving out bad information. I pointed out that AT&T said on Facebook it would be ready for Atrix and Inspire users by mid April, and the rep said that was bad information. LOL so they learned their lesson that since they can't keep promises, might as well not make any? Weak.

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So I just had a very long conversation with an AT&T rep. I asked him why is my "4G" soooo slow. He told me that my SIM card said I was using my Touch Pro 2 still, I checked myself on my account and I was clearly not. So then he said the my Unlimited Data plan didn't support AT&T's 4G plan (even though 3 Advisors said it did.
After that he told me that if I wanted 4G speeds I had to get a "4G" 2GB or 200MB data plan. So I said, "Well theres been many tests on Engadget and the XDA developers and that they all had slow speed." His reply was something like this, "You're reading off of forums and blogs, which aren't official statements and I would know more about this than they would."
I got into a heated argument about how T-Mobile had way faster HSPA+ speeds and how the iPhone 4's DL and UL speeds weren't capped. He told me that there has to be capped speeds so that everyone gets a fair share. So is iPhone 4 getting faster speeds while Android phones get capped fair? F**k no.
I told him that If this Bullsh*t doesn't get fixed by the end of may, I'm switching to Verizon, where 4G really means 4G and not sub-3G.
He finally said that the speeds have been capped because they want to push more people to the iPhone 4, which can draw in more revenue.
>>I will call them again and record it. That is if people want me to.
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Dude I've had the same EXACT conversation with these BS reps (save for the last part when they admit to capping).
AHHH ---- I filed a complaint with the BBB.

I feel bad for those reps...to them its just a job, they are paid to read scripts, not dig up corporate corruption. It's like calling up the fry cook at McDonalds and asking him why your hamburger is not 100% real meat. He doesn't know, he just cooks it. If you want to talk to someone about the capping, call Ralph De La Vega's office.

Damn, this guy has 45 post and all are at&t hate. Nobody in care would ever tell you that because for one thing, it's not true, and two they would easily lose their job by saying anything like that, and because every interaction is recorded and documented on your account, they would be fired quickly. The reason HSUPA isn't enable is because android is very finicky with HSUPA. With the captivate, for example, you could change a modem file and get HSUPA, but it would normally knock out Bluetooth, or call quality. They're working to fix this, it's already in testing, so you should have your fix very soon. Also, what's your beef with the T-mo buyout? Better coverage, lower prices? Seems to be a win win for me. Either way, you can't really stop it, so just go to Verizon, get your Thunderbolt which is 1/2 as powerful with 1/4 the battery and twice the bill. Enjoy your 12mb/s (in only about 40 cities) while I'll enjoy my plenty fast 5-8mb/s when the back-haul to the towers is all complete (which in my area is the end of this month). Oh no, it actually takes time for a company to push out a nation wide roll out! Amazing that they can't just nod their head and it be done. My rant is done, but can somebody ban this hate spewer?
OH! and when you call, get the agent's UID and post it. I'll follow up with them to confirm your false statements are false.

link12245 said:
The reason HSUPA isn't enable is because android is very finicky with HSUPA. With the captivate, for example, you could change a modem file and get HSUPA, but it would normally knock out Bluetooth, or call quality.
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Wow, what a load. Tons of other Android phones around the world, not to mention Galaxy S variants with the same core hardware, are using HSUPA without issue.

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Wow, what a load. Tons of other Android phones around the world, not to mention Galaxy S variants with the same core hardware, are using HSUPA without issue.
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exactly. the only time HSUPA broke bluetooth was when you used i9000 kernel/modem together with an i897 rom. its something specific to ATT's crappy network that caused the issues.

Its impossible to deal with account services for an airave...

I called 1888-211-4227 requesting an airave in order to fix a coverage issue I've been having for the past 3 months.
It started out small but today it got on my nerve, the problem is that all 4 phones would show full 3g signal but when I tried to place a call and send text messages I got a network failure.
Today I was expecting a friend who drove 80miles to bring me a textbook my son needed for college and he told me he would call me when he was at the security gate of my neighborhood.
Security told him to leave because they couldn't reach ANY of my phones and after 2 hours he was able to reach me.
It pisses me off because when I called account services, I got to talk to 5 people who sounded like they knew what they were doing but it turns out they were idiots.
All of them transferred me to the same department over and over until their network failed and the call was dropped.
I got pissed and sent them an email demanding an airave and service for the damn premium data ad on I pay for with 100kbps 3g service.
sorry if I sound like a douche but damn it pisses me off that everyone says they improved customer service when its still the same idiots on the phone.
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The airrave doesnt always pull your calls when someone tries to reach you .. my ex called me like 5 times in a row and on the 6th it finally rang... better than 2hours but ya never know..
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Yea, I will be completely honest, I got an airave, and it was WAY more trouble than it was worth. It kept HOGGING by bandwidth, and I have a 20mb connection, it would slow all computers down to 5kb/s. It would randomly go off and on, texts would come in late (i would get no texts for hours, then i would get 50 all at once). And it messes with the gps on the phones, so its impossible to use Google Maps to map out a route.

damn, I really don't know what sprints deal is, I live in a very populated area where AT&T and Tmo have 4g and 3g without issues, somehow sprints been sucking and they haven't bothered to fix it.
I have full bars of 3g on all of my phones and I can see some cell sites from the roof of my home...I think the 3g tower is close to a 1x tower and the evo keeps connecting to both or something so it cant make up its mind of which tower to use. I'm stumped.

gab2012 said:
damn, I really don't know what sprints deal is, I live in a very populated area where AT&T and Tmo have 4g and 3g without issues, somehow sprints been sucking and they haven't bothered to fix it.
I have full bars of 3g on all of my phones and I can see some cell sites from the roof of my home...I think the 3g tower is close to a 1x tower and the evo keeps connecting to both or something so it cant make up its mind of which tower to use. I'm stumped.
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I wouldn't say that sprint hasn't bothered to fix it. Trust me they are in the process of doing major tower upgrades, and improving their spectrum. We will see at least a 70% improvement of coverage.
Source: I'm a sprint employee
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Got any proof to back that up? Pics? Leaked Memos? etc.
AT&T is going to buy Verizon.
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MTsol said:
I wouldn't say that sprint hasn't bothered to fix it. Trust me they are in the process of doing major tower upgrades, and improving their spectrum. We will see at least a 70% improvement of coverage.
Source: I'm a sprint employee
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all well and good, but my data speeds and network connections have been getting worse and worse and worse for several months.
unlike these other people, i won't wait any more. i've decided to pay my ETF and go back to TMo.
This entire 'we are fixing towers, sorry about that' thing has been going on consistently during my entire 1.5 year tenure. i'm done with it. when i'm standing in the middle of Manhattan and am getting 0.15mb/s down, i wonder why i am even paying my bill.

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Got any proof to back that up? Pics? Leaked Memos? etc.
AT&T is going to buy Verizon.
Source: I'm an AT&T Employee.
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This article doesn't go into too much detail but wait till tomorrow when I can pull up the page at work.
newsroom.sprint.com/press_kits.cfm?presskit_id=19
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That's not a source. lol. Sprint employees say lots of things. doesn't mean they are telling the truth or have any idea what is truely going on. They just believe all the lies they read in their emails that they are required to read and believe. Sadly you're on that believes them. lmao. So what about wimax? so tell us, are they going to fix wimax too? lol. The second they signed the deal with LTE, THEY COMPLETELY stopped upgrading towers in my city. lol. AT&T's network is much faster than Sprint. Verizon's 4g is much better than Sprints. lol.
Sure Sprint will upgrade just a little, but only to shut us up long enough to sign a new contract. lol

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This article doesn't go into too much detail but wait till tomorrow when I can pull up the page at work.
newsroom.sprint.com/press_kits.cfm?presskit_id=19
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omg. lmao. yeah, he's reading his company emails. LMAO!!!!! I can't say who I work for but I see the same emails. then I talk to the ACTUAL employees that work on the towers and they do less than 2 hours of work a week. They actually told me they know about towers that haven't worked right in a year and won't go out their and fix it. lol oh well.

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That's not a source. lol. Sprint employees say lots of things. doesn't mean they are telling the truth or have any idea what is truely going on. They just believe all the lies they read in their emails that they are required to read and believe. Sadly you're on that believes them. lmao. So what about wimax? so tell us, are they going to fix wimax too? lol. The second they signed the deal with LTE, THEY COMPLETELY stopped upgrading towers in my city. lol. AT&T's network is much faster than Sprint. Verizon's 4g is much better than Sprints. lol.
Sure Sprint will upgrade just a little, but only to shut us up long enough to sign a new contract. lol
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Of course it isn't because the real information is available on our employee intranet. 4G, 3g, and cdma networks are all getting capacity and spectrum increases.
You're the one that doesn't know what your talking about. These aren't lies or emails that we AREN'T "required" to read.
As far as Wimax goes, Sprint doesn't exactly know what they are going to do with it. They are either going get rid of it completely and use LTE. OR use both Wimax and LTE.
Unless you have anything to back up your information then I suggest you shut the f**k or take your whining somewhere else.
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omg. lmao. yeah, he's reading his company emails. LMAO!!!!! I can't say who I work for but I see the same emails. then I talk to the ACTUAL employees that work on the towers and they do less than 2 hours of work a week. They actually told me they know about towers that haven't worked right in a year and won't go out their and fix it. lol oh well.
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What I'm talking about is not company emails you idiot. It is news available on OUR employee website that has information not available to losers like you.
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Someone takes things a little too serious. Welcome to XDA.
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In the spirit of the OP, I'd like to say I'm curious to hear if you get your AIRAVE eventually, and what it takes to actually convince them to send you one.
I live in a valley where the closest Sprint tower is shamefully far away, and services a staggering number of people. Calls rarely drop, quality is fine, and data speeds are okay, but I'm lucky if my cell signal ever surpasses -96dBm. I spend so much time rubbing up against -105dBm that my Evo idles to death in about 10 hours. I compared mine to a brand new stock Evo, and they both fail equally.
So, I tried calling Sprint for an AIRAVE, and while one rep confirmed that I am indeed in a low-coverage area, everyone I spoke to after insisted that nothing's wrong and I should take my phone to the store if I think otherwise. (I'd say with my cell signal, and an average EVDO Ec/Io around -18dB, they'd have to offer me a 100k salary before I'd call my area anything BUT low-coverage.)
On that note, the first rep I spoke to warned me that only the technical support department can comp you an AIRAVE, and technical support warned me that their computers need to indicate a problem before they're allowed to do that. Also, you might want to be ready for a fight if you expect them to waive the monthly fee - I got a few 'no's about that before even being told I couldn't have an AIRAVE.
Anyway, good luck, and let us know how it goes!

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omg. lmao. yeah, he's reading his company emails. LMAO!!!!! I can't say who I work for but I see the same emails. then I talk to the ACTUAL employees that work on the towers and they do less than 2 hours of work a week. They actually told me they know about towers that haven't worked right in a year and won't go out their and fix it. lol oh well.
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Wow, cakewalk job
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bezeek said:
In the spirit of the OP, I'd like to say I'm curious to hear if you get your AIRAVE eventually, and what it takes to actually convince them to send you one.
I live in a valley where the closest Sprint tower is shamefully far away, and services a staggering number of people. Calls rarely drop, quality is fine, and data speeds are okay, but I'm lucky if my cell signal ever surpasses -96dBm. I spend so much time rubbing up against -105dBm that my Evo idles to death in about 10 hours. I compared mine to a brand new stock Evo, and they both fail equally.
So, I tried calling Sprint for an AIRAVE, and while one rep confirmed that I am indeed in a low-coverage area, everyone I spoke to after insisted that nothing's wrong and I should take my phone to the store if I think otherwise. (I'd say with my cell signal, and an average EVDO Ec/Io around -18dB, they'd have to offer me a 100k salary before I'd call my area anything BUT low-coverage.)
On that note, the first rep I spoke to warned me that only the technical support department can comp you an AIRAVE, and technical support warned me that their computers need to indicate a problem before they're allowed to do that. Also, you might want to be ready for a fight if you expect them to waive the monthly fee - I got a few 'no's about that before even being told I couldn't have an AIRAVE.
Anyway, good luck, and let us know how it goes!
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Thanks for the reply, right now it kinda blows since I had to buy skype credits in order to be able to work...
As the others said about sprint fixing their towers, we are going to be the last place... do you know why? Everywhere around the island everyone has either an iPhone from AT&T or a blackberry curve 8530 from local gsm carriers, and every time someone asks me about my cell provider, they say its crap because of their service. Sprint stores are always empty when I walk past them in the malls. People here don't see sprint as a national carrier, instead they see it as a local cdma provider.
Sprint took forever to actually begin testing WiMax here and it sucks hard, I hope they get it at full power soon when its officially announced. 3g has always sucked, there are like 5 CDMA carriers using the same towers...(Sprint,Virgin,Boost,Open Mobile,Centennial, etc) This is the cause for network overload, also I would love a data cap, maybe thats what people need in order to let others have at least 500kbps download speed.
I was about to switch to tmo...and the day I went to do so the merger wasd announced so I'm kinda stuck with sprint for now.

If you do decide to bail on Sprint, I saw a pretty hot tip in the Evo 3d section earlier that may help you.
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Yeah I saw it, its regarding some increase or something, I'm going to go check out tmo and see how much 4 android phones will cost me a month, if I get a nice comparable deal I will drop sprint.

All I had to do was call customer service, say I can't make a phone call from inside my house and it's been like this since the service started. Three days later I had an air rave, no cost to me. I didn't have to threaten or even get angry. In fact, it was one of the best customer service experiences I've ever had.

Its a chance game, you got a good rep, I got 2 dudes and 2 girls who had no idea what I wanted or an airave was...

Project Fi Users

Any Project Fi user? How is it working out?
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It's dope.

Yup. Very happy.

Totally satisfied!

It's awesome!

More than anything I'm happy with the bill. I think mine was $43.xx last month, I'm signed up for 5GB at $70 total. Spent the last year on AT&T Post Paid with a MiFi also on the account at 115ish a month for 15GB. Prior to that I was on AT&T Straight Talk for years.
To be honest, the service is so-so. T-Mobile is T-Mobile, the building penetration sucks, its as mediocre as it was when I got off it in 2011. Sprint does provide better building penetration but the service is slower. I'm often frustrated with Fi's lack of attempt at switching from T-Mo to Sprint or vice-versa. I have Fi-Spy installed and can easily plug in the dialer codes to switch, but why it doesn't do this more proactively is beyond me. Even with the auto switch dialer coder plugged in and a reboot, it rarely switches quickly once a drop in signal is experienced with the carrier in use. The nerd in me thinks its cool to plug in the dialer codes, the normal me is beginning to find it inconvenient. Speeds aren't spectacular, I think that's possibly a function of being in South Louisiana. The carriers invest here last most likely because of the overall poverty of the populous and the gamble that the they can just wait till the network is destroyed by a hurricane and rebuild it with insurance money.
My gut feeling is I'll wait to see if the 6.0.1 release (whenever I finally get it) will make T-Mo work better with the possibility of Band 12. If its not better soon I'll probably switch back to AT&T Straight Talk. AT&T just works everywhere I have been in the US for the last 4 or 5 years. I never have the negative experience I hear people complain about on big blue. The Straight Talk option makes the cost negligible. Although the good ole days of Straight Talk "discount" service cards being sold online for 30ish dollars seems to be gone.
Cellular service is a commodity, while I impress myself with the nerd factor of an aggregated cellular carrier like Google Fi, I just lack the patience to endure the carriers its running on. Struggling with bad or slow service is no longer acceptable with the flexibility of porting numbers to other carriers. $40ish dollars is cheap, but for 50 I could be on Straight Talk on AT&T and not worry about any of the semantics.
...but I did like the Lego kit Google sent me!

aygriffith said:
More than anything I'm happy with the bill. I think mine was $43.xx last month, I'm signed up for 5GB at $70 total. Spent the last year on AT&T Post Paid with a MiFi also on the account at 115ish a month for 15GB. Prior to that I was on AT&T Straight Talk for years.
To be honest, the service is so-so. T-Mobile is T-Mobile, the building penetration sucks, its as mediocre as it was when I got off it in 2011. Sprint does provide better building penetration but the service is slower. I'm often frustrated with Fi's lack of attempt at switching from T-Mo to Sprint or vice-versa. I have Fi-Spy installed and can easily plug in the dialer codes to switch, but why it doesn't do this more proactively is beyond me. Even with the auto switch dialer coder plugged in and a reboot, it rarely switches quickly once a drop in signal is experienced with the carrier in use. The nerd in me thinks its cool to plug in the dialer codes, the normal me is beginning to find it inconvenient. Speeds aren't spectacular, I think that's possibly a function of being in South Louisiana. The carriers invest here last most likely because of the overall poverty of the populous and the gamble that the they can just wait till the network is destroyed by a hurricane and rebuild it with insurance money.
My gut feeling is I'll wait to see if the 6.0.1 release (whenever I finally get it) will make T-Mo work better with the possibility of Band 12. If its not better soon I'll probably switch back to AT&T Straight Talk. AT&T just works everywhere I have been in the US for the last 4 or 5 years. I never have the negative experience I hear people complain about on big blue. The Straight Talk option makes the cost negligible. Although the good ole days of Straight Talk "discount" service cards being sold online for 30ish dollars seems to be gone.
Cellular service is a commodity, while I impress myself with the nerd factor of an aggregated cellular carrier like Google Fi, I just lack the patience to endure the carriers its running on. Struggling with bad or slow service is no longer acceptable with the flexibility of porting numbers to other carriers. $40ish dollars is cheap, but for 50 I could be on Straight Talk on AT&T and not worry about any of the semantics.
...but I did like the Lego kit Google sent me!
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What about calling/texting over wifi? The initial reason I decided not to go with Project Fi was for the reasons you stated-- didn't love the carriers that support it. But the more I think about it, the more intrigued I am. I just switched from AT&T to Verizon and I am hardly using any cell data. I'm at wifi at home, wifi at work, and many places that I go. Project Fi is becoming more appealing for the ability of being able to call/text pretty much anywhere over wifi and not have to worry so much about how good the cell signal is. Plus the idea of auto connecting to open wifi hotspots and securing the connection over a VPN tunnel sounds pretty cool as well.
On another note, I don't have any first hand experience with Tmobile but 6.0.1 should help a lot with cell service in buildings if they have band 12 in your area. The geek in you should just flash the factory images instead of waiting for the OTA

I'm very satisfied with my experience so far. My only complaint, a small one at best, would be there is no way to prefer WiFi calling over cellular like with Tmobile.

It's been solid for me. Not just at home, but a number of the approved hotspots as well when I'm out. And I like that these connections are VPN'd.
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What about calling/texting over wifi?
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I was thinking of going to Project Fi myself and got the invite already. However, I check my data status usage and it's about 4gb or more per month. And I am counting only the usage not being over wifi. I understand that Project Fi switch automatically over wifi if available so you won't use Data over the air as much. However, I'm with the family plan with 15GB and Data carry over next month on AT&T network. If I'm by myself, I would switch over to Project Fi in a heart beat but with family member, I can't. Just my 2 cents thought.

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It's been solid for me. Not just at home, but a number of the approved hotspots as well when I'm out. And I like that these connections are VPN'd.
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I have the exact opposite experience, I rarely get auto connected to hot-spots and when I do they're total garbage. Not just in Louisiana, but in large metros I've traveled to in since getting the service. I think only one held the VPN tunnel indicated by the key icon for long enough to do anything.
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What about calling/texting over wifi? The initial reason I decided not to go with Project Fi was for the reasons you stated-- didn't love the carriers that support it. But the more I think about it, the more intrigued I am. I just switched from AT&T to Verizon and I am hardly using any cell data. I'm at wifi at home, wifi at work, and many places that I go. Project Fi is becoming more appealing for the ability of being able to call/text pretty much anywhere over wifi and not have to worry so much about how good the cell signal is. Plus the idea of auto connecting to open wifi hotspots and securing the connection over a VPN tunnel sounds pretty cool as well.
On another note, I don't have any first hand experience with Tmobile but 6.0.1 should help a lot with cell service in buildings if they have band 12 in your area. The geek in you should just flash the factory images instead of waiting for the OTA
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What I do love about the service is the ability to use Hangouts on all my devices and in the web browser and text & MMS from it. I think if I went back to Straight Talk I'd probably leave the number with Google Voice which traditionally I've done the opposite and took the number to the carrier and just had a miscellaneous GV number.
I have had problems with call quality over data. Mainly at my house which is AT&T U-Verse, and to top it off Fi does not seem to realize it and will not switch off to cellular when the call quality dissipates. I've literally had to run out my front door into the middle of my street if I'm mid call so it will switch to cellular. Its either this or attempt to fumble the phone and turn off WiFi. My neighbors probably are suspicious of my mid street calls :laugh:. Again, this is a function of AT&T U-verse having 18mb down at my house. Might switch my internet to cable next month to help with the abysmal ISP speeds with U-verse.
Again, don't expect the phone to just start connecting to tons of VPN'ed Google Certified WiFi networks. You'll be disappointed. I was in large metros all up and down the east coast in Nov and again, this may have happened once in each large city. You're going to be looking for the same old Starbucks and misc WiFi networks to make calls if you're really hoping to find WiFi networks in the wild for calling. I have a free Boingo plan through Amex Plat and it helps give availability to more networks than I had access to before. But its not enough that I wouldn't be worried about cell service.
Fingers crossed on 6.0.1... back in the old days I would have downloaded the image the second it was out and flashed it. As I get older and find myself making more excuses for not getting stuff done I rarely want to spend non existent free time diving into roms or any of that. I just want the phone to work and the service to work. Its a long way from chopping up Blackberry OS installers with different features from different Telcos or my first Android phone being a Sprint Touch Pro 2 launching into Android from Windows Mobile. Getting old (or boring) I guess!

Works great here. Except MMS over hangouts looks like garbage. I would love to use hangouts over my other devices with my Project Fi number, but I send to many picture messages. Anyone else have MMS hangouts quality problems?
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Ulver said:
Works great here. Except MMS over hangouts looks like garbage. I would love to use hangouts over my other devices with my Project Fi number, but I send to many picture messages. Anyone else have MMS hangouts quality problems?
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Are you referencing the picture quality of the photos sent? Does it look bad both in Hangouts and also in the receiver's MMS?

Its decent, but I can see why people leave back to Tmobile. I am on WIFI most of the day and yet I manage to use 1.5-2GB per month, I cant imaging using Fi without WIFI. There is no VoLTE an no proper Band 12 implementation. Support is not that great, most replies are copy/paste BS. The whole service is just not as reliable as Tmobile. I pay about $40 bucks for Fi......Tmobile would have been only $50 but everything works 100%, you get som free music and vid streaming, and data falls back to free Edge.
I am gonna stick for a while longer....They said some updates are coming to service in next few month but I call BS on this. Fi team seems to be lying alot about the service and misrepresents it in their advertisement.

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Are you referencing the picture quality of the photos sent? Does it look bad both in Hangouts and also in the receiver's MMS?
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For me it looks bad on my end and the receivers end via hangouts. I also tried sending pics via my Z3 and the pics look bad on both my wife's Nexus 6 and my Mom's iPhone.
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kolyan said:
The whole service is just not as reliable as Tmobile.
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Weird... I have been on T-Mobile since the days of my RAZR v300 up until just recently. In fact, I still have it on my Moto X. Nothing about it is as good as Fi has been. Granted it is not for folks that are burning through a lot of data, but I have never gone over a Gig, so it's great for me.
Looking at the two phones side by side right now, the TM phone is on HSPA with 4 asu, and the Fi is LTE with 23 asu.

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Weird... I have been on T-Mobile since the days of my RAZR v300 up until just recently. In fact, I still have it on my Moto X. Nothing about it is as good as Fi has been. Granted it is not for folks that are burning through a lot of data, but I have never gone over a Gig, so it's great for me.
Looking at the two phones side by side right now, the TM phone is on HSPA with 4 asu, and the Fi is LTE with 23 asu.
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I have Tmobile LTE and VoLTE everywhere pretty much and it switches to Sprint for no reason, I even get Sprint 3G in some places due to bugs. On top of it Tmobile band 12 is not implemented correctly so you end up missing calls and there is no VoLTE support at all. I am not even sure if Tmobile carrier aggression is working on Project Fi
I've been having issues on Project Fi since June, including some spotty roaming in Europe where Tmobile got 5 bars of LTE (capped to 128kbps). Then been dealing with carrier auto switching for over a month now....looks like it just started working with latest Fi app and Android 6.0.1. They also know about all the roaming issues and that Fi doesnt like to connect to roaming providers, thats why they seem to include manual switching in Fi app now so people dont end up with dead phones overseas
They are also kind of lying about equal coverage to Tmo and Sprint....its not equal, at least not yet, lying about 120+ countries where wifi-calling is supported....also bs, real list is around 90-95 countries (not a big deal, but they refuse to fix it)
I switched from Tmobile because I though I will get 100% Tmobile coverage + addition of Sprint with seamless switching (been very buggy) I also need that 256kbps roaming speeds since its double of what Tmobile is offering. Lower bill was just a bonus.....dont really care since its like 10-15 bucks difference

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I've been having issues on Project Fi since June
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Dunno what to tell you; have only been on it since 11/16, but so far it has been great on my 6P.

When I read these comments I wonder how many people were already T-Mobile or Sprint customers and used to so-so coverage and speeds already. Compared in AT&T and Verizon, you're getting what you pay for. Just calling a spade a spade as a long time AT&T customer and a really really long ago T-Mobile and Sprint customer.
It's exactly what they said it was, a beta service. If you want a cheap 5GB of LTE data that works everywhere, get a AT&T Straight Talk sim. If you really think you only use a gig and live in a large metro with a good economy (face it, T-Mobile and Sprint upgrade their carrier equipment metros with better economic conditions first) then you'll be in heaven.
Don't really care about the international, I just buy a sim locally whenever I go overseas. But for the price, if it works, it's a nice feature.
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