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Bloatware Removal Thread

Now that the AT&T Galaxy S3 is rooted:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1726960
My favorite thing to do after a first root is to use Titanium Backup to delete all the bloatware. Here's the list of stuff I took off:
AT&T Messages
AT&T Navigator
ChatOn
DeviceHelp
Flipboard
Media Hub
Music Player
My Files
My AT&T
S Memo
S Suggest
Play Books
Play Movies
Yahoo Finance
Yahoo News
YP Mobile
My list is just from a quick glance. If anyone else knows of other bloatware items that can be safely removed please post and add them.

Flipboard will stay on mine. Love that app.

stevieraveon said:
Flipboard will stay on mine. Love that app.
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I agree. I would remove the entire list above except for Flipboard. If you set it up to just the things you're interested in, it works really well.

Can't you just disable it. Doesnt it do the same thing as removing it or freezing?
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manny05 said:
Can't you just disable it. Doesnt it do the same thing as removing it or freezing?
sent from my GALAXY SIII
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Yeah, totally and it wont void your warranty or tip the counter

How do you disable it? Sorry if it's a dumb question but I just moved from the iPhone

Brianaro said:
How do you disable the? Sorry if it's a dumb question but I just moved from the iPhone
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Settings/application manager/all then just choose the one you want to disable and click "disable" at the top. If it updated itself, click "uninstall updates" first, then "disable" will be available

First run around, give it time u will learn everything. Dont rush, read and understand the language spoken, the software and its uses.
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manny05 said:
Can't you just disable it. Doesnt it do the same thing as removing it or freezing?
sent from my GALAXY SIII
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there are some things u cant disable , so no its not the same , i removed all at&t crap and most of the samsung crap and phone is so much faster . (actual use not stupid speed tests )
dont things that are "disabled come back on after reboot anyway?
and to the guys that are worried about warranty i dont understand y you would even come to a site like xda ?? ive never had a none rooted phone so forgive me for not understanding .
ive never had any warranty issues with htc or samsung, ive sent my bootloader unlocked nexus one and nexus s , and rooted skyrocket in with no issues (directly to manufacture )....

drawde40599 said:
there are some things u cant disable , so no its not the same , i removed all at&t crap and most of the samsung crap and phone is so much faster . (actual use not stupid speed tests )
dont things that are "disabled come back on after reboot anyway?
and to the guys that are worried about warranty i dont understand y you would even come to a site like xda ?? ive never had a none rooted phone so forgive me for not understanding .
ive never had any warranty issues with htc or samsung, ive sent my bootloader unlocked nexus one and nexus s , and rooted skyrocket in with no issues (directly to manufacture )....
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With an att phone, u return it to att, not samsung. All newer Samsung phones have a flash counter that logs every time its been modified software wise so if it's been rooted, they can tell, the warranty is void, and if something is legitimately wrong with it, you get ****. In fact, you will still be on the hook for your contract so either cough up 550$ for a new phone or $350 to back out of the contract. Maybe they will catch it, maybe not but that's a pretty expensive gamble to take
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What is the difference between freezing and disabling? I always freeze using titanium backup.
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How do you use Titanium Backup to delete all the bloatware?
Thanx for taking my question.

paleman27 said:
How do you use Titanium Backup to delete all the bloatware?
Thanx for taking my question.
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Have to be rooted and then either freeze or delete individual apps under the backup/restore section.
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Here is what I have frozen / disabled:
All Share Controller
All Share Play
All Share Service
AT&T Hot Spots
AT&T Messages
AT&T Navigator
Bluetooth Share
Bubbles
Clock
Clock Funky
Clock Modern
ChatOn
DeviceHelp
Deep Sea
Dual Clock Analog
Dual Clock Digital
FlipBoard
Google Play Books
Google Play Movies
Google Play Music
Google Search
Google+
Kies Air
Kies Via Wifi
Live Wallpaper Picker
Luminous Dots
Media Hub
Mobile Print
myAT&T
Phase Beam
S Suggest
Samsung Keyboard
Voice Recorder
Voice Search
Windy Weather
Yahoo Finance
Yahoo News
YPmobile

Can someone clarify something for me? On my other rooted devices if you deleted bloat then you couldn't get OTA updates to either download or install. Is this the case with Samsung devices? I usually just freeze with Titanium and restore when an update rolls out.

johnnyutah22 said:
Can someone clarify something for me? On my other rooted devices if you deleted bloat then you couldn't get OTA updates to either download or install. Is this the case with Samsung devices? I usually just freeze with Titanium and restore when an update rolls out.
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There is no reason to delete with these phones anymore. Freezing is perfectly fine and achieves the same thing. Ota will probably work the same so better safe than sorry lol.
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drawde40599 said:
there are some things u cant disable , so no its not the same , i removed all at&t crap and most of the samsung crap and phone is so much faster . (actual use not stupid speed tests )
dont things that are "disabled come back on after reboot anyway?
and to the guys that are worried about warranty i dont understand y you would even come to a site like xda ?? ive never had a none rooted phone so forgive me for not understanding .
ive never had any warranty issues with htc or samsung, ive sent my bootloader unlocked nexus one and nexus s , and rooted skyrocket in with no issues (directly to manufacture )....
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Agree.. I have never had an issue either...
altitude909 said:
With an att phone, u return it to att, not samsung. All newer Samsung phones have a flash counter that logs every time its been modified software wise so if it's been rooted, they can tell, the warranty is void, and if something is legitimately wrong with it, you get ****. In fact, you will still be on the hook for your contract so either cough up 550$ for a new phone or $350 to back out of the contract. Maybe they will catch it, maybe not but that's a pretty expensive gamble to take
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I have warrantied numerous phones to AT&T that were rooted.. I have NEVER had one denied or been charged.. That's not to say it can't or won't happen because I know they can but I have never seen or heard of anyone getting denied...
IMHO, disabling via the hone system is the better option simply because the disable sticks on reboot... I however still need root because I for one can't live without AdFree...

Here is my list. Keep in mind that I use my market-purchased apps for texting, phone/contacts, calendar and a few other things.
So I've disabled some things that other folks shouldn't.
AT&T Hot Spots
AT&T Messages
AT&T Navigator
AT&T SOftware update
ChatON
Clock (digital)
Clock (funky)
CLock (modem)
Contacts 4.0.4
DirectShareManager
Dual clock (analog)
Dual clock (digital)
Email 4.0
FWUpgrade 1.2.0
Gmail
Google+
[BOOKMARKS] Internet
Kies air 2.1
Kies via WiFi
Media Hub
[SMS/MMS PREFS]
Mobile print
My files
My Uploads
myAT&T
Nearby devices
News Daemon
Phase beam 1.0
Samsung keyboard
SNS 1.01
Tags 1.1
Talk 4.0.4
TalkBack
Yahoo Finance
Yahoo News
YPMobile
I'm far from done.
This was just the quick & easy stuff.
I'm getting better battery life than with any phone I've had before.
Last one was a GSII Skyrocket.

raqball said:
Agree.. I have never had an issue either...
I have warrantied numerous phones to AT&T that were rooted.. I have NEVER had one denied or been charged.. That's not to say it can't or won't happen because I know they can but I have never seen or heard of anyone getting denied...
IMHO, disabling via the hone system is the better option simply because the disable sticks on reboot... I however still need root because I for one can't live without AdFree...
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The flash counter was implemented on samsung phones since the tab so it's very new and AFAIK, only samsung does it. Up to now, someone who knew what they were doing would have to make a determination if the phones software was tampered with, this system does not need anyone to make that determination. It will be no different than the moisture sensor...

altitude909 said:
The flash counter was implemented on samsung phones since the tab so it's very new and AFAIK, only samsung does it. Up to now, someone who knew what they were doing would have to make a determination if the phones software was tampered with, this system does not need anyone to make that determination. It will be no different than the moisture sensor...
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There is a flash counter on the SGS2 as well and Chainfire was able to figure out a way to reset it (Triangle Away app). I'm sure it will be possible with this phone too eventually.
According to the comments, it works on the international S3 already.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.chainfire.triangleaway&hl=en

So are we the only carrier who's N3's came without Knox and Chat On pre-installed??

I realize Chat On can easily be downloaded from the playstore, n it's not a huge deal but I was just surprised to not see it pre-installed on a Samsung device. Especially since it was used in the demo so much. I assume this is because Verizon wants u using their message service (keep dreaming verizon), but still none the less surprising to me.
Now onto Knox. Although it's not something I know for sure that I would use, it is also an app that was being promoted very hard as a great new feature. Well where is it first of all? Am I missing something? Like I said Idk if I would wanna use it anyway;but it would sure be nice to have the option to give it a try and decide for myself if it's something I want. Again Verizon, keep dreaming! I don't think any of us want your security services or your messaging app or your navigation! So yes I'm aware I can easily add chat on, but can anyone help with any info on getting Knox app on my phone? I don't think I'll be rooting this phone, for now anyway, so I would like to try Knox just to see what it's about. Any help/info is appreciated guys, thanks.
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Ibkevin said:
I realize Chat On can easily be downloaded from the playstore, n it's not a huge deal but I was just surprised to not see it pre-installed on a Samsung device. Especially since it was used in the demo so much. I assume this is because Verizon wants u using their message service (keep dreaming verizon), but still none the less surprising to me.
Now onto Knox. Although it's not something I know for sure that I would use, it is also an app that was being promoted very hard as a great new feature. Well where is it first of all? Am I missing something? Like I said Idk if I would wanna use it anyway;but it would sure be nice to have the option to give it a try and decide for myself if it's something I want. Again Verizon, keep dreaming! I don't think any of us want your security services or your messaging app or your navigation! So yes I'm aware I can easily add chat on, but can anyone help with any info on getting Knox app on my phone? I don't think I'll be rooting this phone, for now anyway, so I would like to try Knox just to see what it's about. Any help/info is appreciated guys, thanks.
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Sir Knox is already on the phone. It is not an app you can go into. but if you check the services running it is running from all i have read and understand.
You can do a search on your phone and see Knox apps all over the place.. Like 9 diff pieces to it... Thier is a thread on on the parts of it on this forum already

Actually I just found the actual truth about Knox and the Verizon N3, here it is. Yes there is Knox stuff under application manager, and yes Knox is under device administrator's, and actually Yes Knox is an app that can be opened, but NO Knox is NOT currently on the Verizon phone! Screen shots below.
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Waiting instead of updating?!

I'm a little confused as to why so many people are waiting instead of updating to the available 4.4.2. People been clamoring for the update and it's finally available and everyone is asking if they should update or shouldn't?
The Knox issue I can understand, but I've rooted all my devices the day I get them from the HTC nexus one days. I didnt even boot into my Note 10.1 2014 stock, out the box I installed twrp and rooted. The benefits of root far outweigh potential issues and the guides are fool proof. Re warranty, I've seen no reports of Samsung turning anyone back because of Knox. Case in point so many of the refurbished ones sold recently were received with Knox tripped, it's not that big a deal, besides, especially for those in America, most stores offer 30 day returns no questions asked so it's neither here nor there.
The fact is, the update is available now, it makes the tablet so much more of a joy to use and has so many improvements that I just don't get this whole "should I wait? When will the OTA come to my country" thing. Anyhow, I guess to each his own, but the reality is some of you waiting potentially may not even live long enough for the update you're waiting on lol. Live in the now guys!
Also, so many are complaining about the exclusion of Magazine UX, though almost everyone on here says the first thing they do is install Nova or some other launcher, so why is it an issue for them? It's just odd...
Anyhow, rant done.
Lol.
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I'd love to update, but I've kept it stock since launch. I have many notes for school on papyrus that I would like to keep, but I understand that data wipe is recommended. Any way around this?
Id love to root and use a few xposed mods to make it more like the pro series.
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thachosenone said:
I'd love to update, but I've kept it stock since launch. I have many notes for school on papyrus that I would like to keep, but I understand that data wipe is recommended. Any way around this?
Id love to root and use a few xposed mods to make it more like the pro series.
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If you just want Papyrus notes backup, it looks like their cloud services premium feature will do it if you don't mind the $3 in app purchase. If you are looking for a more comprehensive option, there are several ways to backup your data. Through a little Googling, I found this guide to backing up using adb without root. Or you can go ahead and root before updating, and then use something like Titanium Backup to back up your data and then restore. This is just from a cursory look for options, look around, read into different things and see which approach fits your needs.

KNOX doesn't bother me as regards losing warranty. It has stopped me from rooting for the first time ever for fear of resale consequences. I just know that if I sell it on eBay with knox tripped and I do disclose it in my description people will be asking for a lower price whereas if I don't mention it the buyer will be contacting me a week later moaning that I didn't tell him I'd tripped knox. A real potential headache that I can't be bothered with so samsung have finally succeeded in stopping me rooting my device one way or another.
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thachosenone said:
I'd love to update, but I've kept it stock since launch. I have many notes for school on papyrus that I would like to keep, but I understand that data wipe is recommended. Any way around this?
Id love to root and use a few xposed mods to make it more like the pro series.
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If you pay for papyrus you can backup to Dropbox. Also, updating with Odin you won't lose any information. I didn't wipe before updating and I have no issues whatsoever.
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A couple of reasons...
The N10.1-14 is a productivity/creation device; at least Samsung's marketing that way. Some people do actually connect to secure networks and more and more are reading the KNOX chip for authentication. I personally use KNOX and three of the five secure networks I connect to are KNOX enabled.
The question of warranty support on devices with tripped KNOX flags is kind of grey. Not everyone wants to personally test Samsung's warranty policies.
Rooted devices can't use AllShare Cast, have DRM issues with certain apps, can't play DRM content acquired from Samsung Hub, and can't receive OTA updates. Xposed can overcome some of that but not everyone wants a "Franken-phone."
Regional ROMs have very different feature sets. A personal example. Someone here was raving about the performance improvements of the new P601 ROM for Guatemala so I tried it. They failed to mention it was a carrier ROM (Claro), all the stock app icons were replaced with crappy looking "Claro" interpretations, 500MB of non-removable demo games were installed, and Samsung Hub no longer supported anything but books. When I flashed back to the Trinidad ROM the Guatemala ROM either overlaid or removed a file causing an indexing FC loop. I had to completely wipe and rebuild my tablet to get back to where I started in the first place. My tablets are typically from Trinidad which serves the Caribbean and parts of Central and South America and have most of the North American features enabled. I never use Asian ROMs, Eastern European ROMs, Latin American ROMs (other than Brazil) or any carrier ROM from anywhere. Both because of what's missing and what's needlessly included.
None of this matters to people who bought their N10.1-14 as a piece of h/w but does to those of us that use and value its features. Probably 1/3 here actually appreciate the stock features, 1/3 hate TW and Samsung's proprietary apps, and the other 1/3 are somewhere in between. To each their own.

As an add on, there is no risk in trying the update. There is no Knox trip and once our Ota arrives just use Odin to flash that on top. Either way you don't risk anything and you get to enjoy kitkat. Seriously there is no reason anyone on this forum should not be trying this amazing update.
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SM P601
I use the wifi+3g version of the note 10.1(2014). I am not going to risk updating until someone else does it and shows me screenshots of the update not ****ing up their device in anyway. Till then,fingers are tightly crossed!

dustfinger314 said:
If you just want Papyrus notes backup, it looks like their cloud services premium feature will do it if you don't mind the $3 in app purchase. If you are looking for a more comprehensive option, there are several ways to backup your data. Through a little Googling, I found this guide to backing up using adb without root. Or you can go ahead and root before updating, and then use something like Titanium Backup to back up your data and then restore. This is just from a cursory look for options, look around, read into different things and see which approach fits your needs.
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I get an error trying to purchase the in app backup option. I'm in the usa
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pierrekid said:
As an add on, there is no risk in trying the update. There is no Knox trip and once our Ota arrives just use Odin to flash that on top. Either way you don't risk anything and you get to enjoy kitkat. Seriously there is no reason anyone on this forum should not be trying this amazing update.
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Isn't there a risk I may have to do a factory reset if I'm having issues after the flash? I really couldn't be bothered setting everything up and getting all the data I have back on it.
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poplectic said:
Isn't there a risk I may have to do a factory reset if I'm having issues after the flash? I really couldn't be bothered setting everything up and getting all the data I have back on it.
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That's the same risk you take updating to any new software. It's the same recommendation whether it be an official update or a custom ROM. So no there is no elevated risk.
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pierrekid said:
That's the same risk you take updating to any new software. It's the same recommendation whether it be an official update or a custom ROM. So no there is no elevated risk.
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And this is one of the positives of root...a nandroid backup! Before any update I do a nandroid backup in twrp so should anything go wrong, I just restore and it comes back exactly as it was when baked up.
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Exactly. With an official update you don't even have that option
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pierrekid said:
That's the same risk you take updating to any new software. It's the same recommendation whether it be an official update or a custom ROM. So no there is no elevated risk.
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Stop it! You've almost got me convinced!
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pierrekid said:
Exactly. With an official update you don't even have that option
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If there is risk in bricking my tablet from an official firmware, will it still void my warranty by updating?

Is there a root method yet? I would like to use xposed mods to make this a pro line tablet.
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thachosenone said:
Is there a root method yet? I would like to use xposed mods to make this a pro line tablet.
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Root has been available since October.

Just want to clarify. You guys are talking about the KK update on P600 right?

poplectic said:
Stop it! You've almost got me convinced!
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I know it sucks :/ I've always rooted and ran custom roms on my devices going back to my S1 and HTC desire. I don't fear the potential warranty issues myself, its just the resale of it is going to be 10x more difficult FYI I've never held on to a device for more than 2 years.

toyanucci said:
I'm a little confused as to why so many people are waiting instead of updating to the available 4.4.2. People been clamoring for the update and it's finally available and everyone is asking if they should update or shouldn't?
The Knox issue I can understand, but I've rooted all my devices the day I get them from the HTC nexus one days. I didnt even boot into my Note 10.1 2014 stock, out the box I installed twrp and rooted. The benefits of root far outweigh potential issues and the guides are fool proof. Re warranty, I've seen no reports of Samsung turning anyone back because of Knox. Case in point so many of the refurbished ones sold recently were received with Knox tripped, it's not that big a deal, besides, especially for those in America, most stores offer 30 day returns no questions asked so it's neither here nor there.
The fact is, the update is available now, it makes the tablet so much more of a joy to use and has so many improvements that I just don't get this whole "should I wait? When will the OTA come to my country" thing. Anyhow, I guess to each his own, but the reality is some of you waiting potentially may not even live long enough for the update you're waiting on lol. Live in the now guys!
Also, so many are complaining about the exclusion of Magazine UX, though almost everyone on here says the first thing they do is install Nova or some other launcher, so why is it an issue for them? It's just odd...
Anyhow, rant done.
Lol.
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I am waiting. Reports are that game emulators are slower for some reason with Kitkat and that besides video is a key reason I have this device. Can not be bothered to go through the root process either.
Not seeing the value add verses the risk with a $550 device.

Android Pay no longer working with systemless root

http://www.xda-developers.com/android-pay-no-longer-working-with-systemless-root/
It was good while it lasted...............something tells me though "is android pay working yet" will still come up in every custom ROM thread. LOL

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http://www.xda-developers.com/android-pay-no-longer-working-with-systemless-root/
It was good while it lasted...............something tells me though "is android pay working yet" will still come up in every custom ROM thread. LOL
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It is well known that this was not gonna last. Even roms devs are starting to tell people not to ask about it as the rom is rooted and they will not go out of their way to fix something like that. Most of the time people dont even really use it.
PErfect example is that all mobile payments are blocked where I live due to security reasons.

It would probably be a good idea for someone to check if this only impacts the binary trainwreck, or if it impacts ALL root... i.e., http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/general/root-t3231211
While I won't say that our safe open source approach can't be detected, I can say with authority that the binary is doing a heap of things that GREATLY weaken the security and cause very... dramatic... alteration to the rootfs.
If somebody were to identify how they are determining that the device is untrustworthy, I would be happy to attempt workaround with that information. However note that it isn't particularly high priority since I don't *use* android pay. Reasons I don't use it;
1) it isn't available in my country,
2) it doesn't provide a benefit since it is easier to pull my credit card (which has an nfc chip) out of my wallet than to pull this whale of a phone out of my pocket,
3) I really don't want to add an additional tracker for this information.
4) People who wave their phone around the payment terminal really look like douchebags.

If I'm going to use AP , I just boot into a non rooted ROM via multirom, is not ideal but rather do that than dragging my wallet around when going for gas, groceries, etc phone is always with me anyway, just a quick tap and done
hopefully a workaround is found to make it work with root, but is not looking good so far [emoji53]
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It's not looking good because of Google runs the check. If I read things right, Google actually runs a CTS check on the device. Failing the CTS stops Android Pay from working, and the variant of superuser used isn't likely to make any difference. The device will still fail.
There's one guy in that discussion thread ranting that this is somehow a bait-and-switch on Google's part, when it really is just Google enforcing its Terms and Conditions.

sgloki77 said:
If I'm going to use AP , I just boot into a non rooted ROM via multirom, is not ideal but rather do that than dragging my wallet around when going for gas, groceries, etc phone is always with me anyway, just a quick tap and done
hopefully a workaround is found to make it work with root, but is not looking good so far [emoji53]
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yea because dragging a wallet around or money clip is soooo difficult...a sign of the times.

sgloki77 said:
If I'm going to use AP , I just boot into a non rooted ROM via multirom, is not ideal but rather do that than dragging my wallet around when going for gas, groceries, etc phone is always with me anyway, just a quick tap and done
hopefully a workaround is found to make it work with root, but is not looking good so far [emoji53]
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Still have to carry it for your ID card. At least here you can be ticketed and fined for not carrying it. I personally hate carrying my wallet but like I stated all mobile payments are blocked here so doesnt really matter.

zelendel said:
Still have to carry it for your ID card. At least here you can be ticketed and fined for not carrying it. I personally hate carrying my wallet but like I stated all mobile payments are blocked here so doesnt really matter.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-5x/general/passing-safetynet-root-t3307659

Looks like Android Pay has a workaround for the time being. It's like a cat and mouse game.

Well that's why you get a wallet case, I mean seriously? How hard is it to pull your card out and swipe.

doitright said:
4) People who wave their phone around the payment terminal really look like douchebags.
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One time, I lost my debit card, but I had Google wallet installed on my Nexus 7......
I went and bought a pack of smokes and beer with my tablet.
I looked like a douchebag.
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aroy97 said:
Well that's why you get a wallet case, I mean seriously? How hard is it to pull your card out and swipe.
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Exactly. I think people will find that mobile based payments are not something that will last very long. It's a nice gimmic but has to many security holes and almost no real benefit.

as far as I know it still works?

Google will close the latest exploit soon enough. Then I'm sure someone will find another hole to get Android Pay working, which Google will then close. Repeat ad infinitum.
Currently this latest exploit is working properly, so enjoy it while you can.

zelendel said:
Exactly. I think people will find that mobile based payments are not something that will last very long. It's a nice gimmic but has to many security holes and almost no real benefit.
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One of my family members tried to use an iPhone for mobile pay. After 10 tries we just swiped the plastic lol. It's a nice novelty but hardly worry the headache over using a credit card

zelendel said:
Exactly. I think people will find that mobile based payments are not something that will last very long. It's a nice gimmic but has to many security holes and almost no real benefit.
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Ever since they moved to the chip card payment, it takes longer than the simple swipe. Android Pay is faster than the chip reader in my opinion.

biggiestuff said:
Ever since they moved to the chip card payment, it takes longer than the simple swipe. Android Pay is faster than the chip reader in my opinion.
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Cant say much about that as most cards here still dont have the chip and the banks are not in a rush to change over.
I can still get my wallet out and swipe my card fast then the average person can do it with a mobile device I feel. Cant say for sure as all mobile payments are refused and blocked here.

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Cant say much about that as most cards here still dont have the chip and the banks are not in a rush to change over.
I can still get my wallet out and swipe my card fast then the average person can do it with a mobile device I feel. Cant say for sure as all mobile payments are refused and blocked here.
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For me it's situational. There will be a few times I'll be waiting in line and already have my phone out browsing so in that situation android pay will be faster.
From a neutral position, grabbing the card and swiping it is faster but with the new chip cards and systems it's become tedious for me. I'll pull the card and swipe it at which time it will indicate that the card is a chip card and I have to use it in the chip reader. Once inserted it takes a while before it reads it, verifies and then indicates you can remove it.
From a neutral position the chip card process is slower because of the time it takes to read the chip in the card.
Samsung has it right with it being compatible with new and old systems. I haven't read to see how consistent it is but the concept sounds better.
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For me it's situational. There will be a few times I'll be waiting in line and already have my phone out browsing so in that situation android pay will be faster.
From a neutral position, grabbing the card and swiping it is faster but with the new chip cards and systems it's become tedious for me. I'll pull the card and swipe it at which time it will indicate that the card is a chip card and I have to use it in the chip reader. Once inserted it takes a while before it reads it, verifies and then indicates you can remove it.
From a neutral position the chip card process is slower because of the time it takes to read the chip in the card.
Samsung has it right with it being compatible with new and old systems. I haven't read to see how consistent it is but the concept sounds better.
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See you may have a bit of an edge there. Here most places have signs that say to make sure to have your cell phone put away when you come to the counter or they will not serve you.
Samsung pay doesnt work here either, as retailers keep the machine behind the reg so all none cash payments have to go through the cashier.
There is one bank here that has moved to the chip. But they just sent out a letter saying they were sending out chipless cards due to lack of interest or usage.

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See you may have a bit of an edge there. Here most places have signs that say to make sure to have your cell phone put away when you come to the counter or they will not serve you.
Samsung pay doesnt work here either, as retailers keep the machine behind the reg so all none cash payments have to go through the cashier.
There is one bank here that has moved to the chip. But they just sent out a letter saying they were sending out chipless cards due to lack of interest or usage.
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That's very interesting, thought they had to because there was a law passed for merchants, but eh, we'll never catch up to the rest of the world cause quite frankly...we're either lazy, can't wait 5 seconds for a card to read, or don't want to upgrade anything, Ahhh, the American way

Sell me on root

I haven't updated and I have plenty of devices that are rooted, but it's always usually a hassle, usually stuff breaks and not everything works. The main reason I like to root. Is to remove bloatware and change some main features. What for you guys is the selling point to root your phone?

I haven't done it yet, but I like to have it to increase battery life to the max and remove ads.

GigaSPX said:
I haven't done it yet, but I like to have it to increase battery life to the max and remove ads.
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it's root... If that doesn't sell you... then buy an iPhone.

RBThompsonV said:
it's root... If that doesn't sell you... then buy an iPhone.
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Are you referring to me or TC? I'm just telling him what I like root for and what its selling point for me is.
Even then, an iPhone still can't do as much as stock Android phones. I just haven't the time to do root on my S7 Edge because I'm still speculating on whether the bugs will be fixed and all (such as making Samsung Pay work).

GigaSPX said:
Are you referring to me or TC? I'm just telling him what I like root for and what its selling point for me is.
Even then, an iPhone still can't do as much as stock Android phones. I just haven't the time to do root on my S7 Edge because I'm still speculating on whether the bugs will be fixed and all (such as making Samsung Pay work).
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Sorry, I was just being a douche to the OP....

I'm on apd2 just got the phone today. Is that version rootable?
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alsgarage said:
I'm on apd2 just got the phone today. Is that version rootable?
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Yup and PE1 is also.

Doesn't look like anyone is selling this person on root. I'll try.
I have rooted my phones in the past but going to stay away from it for now on the S7 Edge because of Samsung Pay.
Best reasons to root from my perspective, off the top of my head:
Titanium backup! This is one of the things I miss the most.
Xposed Modules: GravityBox (love playing and tweaking the settings), YouTube Adaway (if you don't have a Red account, use this)
Viper4Android (best audio tweaking/enhancing mod for any phone)
Liveboot (changes boot animation, love this one)
There's this thing called Lucky Patcher but you can research that on your own

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Doesn't look like anyone is selling this person on root. I'll try.
I have rooted my phones in the past but going to stay away from it for now on the S7 Edge because of Samsung Pay.
Best reasons to root from my perspective, off the top of my head:
Titanium backup! This is one of the things I miss the most.
Xposed Modules: GravityBox (love playing and tweaking the settings), YouTube Adaway (if you don't have a Red account, use this)
Viper4Android (best audio tweaking/enhancing mod for any phone)
Liveboot (changes boot animation, love this one)
There's this thing called Lucky Patcher but you can research that on your own
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See, that's why I'm swaying my mind about root. Samsung Pay is extraordinarily versatile and it actually accepted one of my credit cards for use. I have NEVER used Samsung Pay in a real life situation yet since I haven't a need to, but I would like to keep my options opened in case I do forget my wallet and all.
Whyyyyyyy? >_<

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See, that's why I'm swaying my mind about root. Samsung Pay is extraordinarily versatile and it actually accepted one of my credit cards for use. I have NEVER used Samsung Pay in a real life situation yet since I haven't a need to, but I would like to keep my options opened in case I do forget my wallet and all.
Whyyyyyyy? >_<
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You should really try it out sooner rather than later. There are such great things with root and you currently have nothing keeping you from doing it. You can always go back to stock to use SPay, but at least decide if you would like it or not.
Actually, if you live in the US, make three small purchases between now and August 2nd to get a free $10 Amazon gift card. It's the current promo going on right now. Although you may want to waif for another "First use" Samsung Pay promo where you can sometimes get decent stuff. I got a $30 eBay gift card for my first SPay use back in April.

And Qualcomm S7 root is reversible so you can try it and, if you don't like it, restore the non-rooted state with Samsung Pay.
Other thoughts (on how I use root):
App settings: this allows you to set DPI (and other settings) per app. This way, I can run the phone at 400 dpi but have the camera and other apps run at their native DPI full screen
Amplify/Greenify can do wonders to your battery by controlling how often certain programs call home.

Anyone know if update that came out today kills root?
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Anyone know if update that came out today kills root?
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I'm pretty sure it does not as the idea behind this root method is that you are not rooting the kernel that this firmware update comes with, but the engineering one. Since you are only allowed to flash "official" firmwares, this update would not block it.
You're not exploiting the carrier's stuff, but an engineering kernel that is legal to flash tot he phone without rejection. If that makes sense.

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I'm pretty sure it does not as the idea behind this root method is that you are not rooting the kernel that this firmware update comes with, but the engineering one. Since you are only allowed to flash "official" firmwares, this update would not block it.
You're not exploiting the carrier's stuff, but an engineering kernel that is legal to flash tot he phone without rejection. If that makes sense.
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It does lol thank you
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i love having root but I actually use SamPay allot so unfortunately root doesn't give me anything i want more than SamPay. Hopefully something like rootcloak will allow SamPay to work soon??

Is Samsung Pay more useful than Android Pay, which I believe works with root? I don't really care about either app because my bank is always behind the times and still can't be used in Apple Pay or Android Pay (I just tried again and still not supported by my bank).
You guys pretty much hit all the reasons that I like root, especially all the Xposed modules to do things like keep YouTube playing with screen off and recording phone calls, and just having control over the operating system in general. I couldn't imagine if Windows was locked down like Android, yet 99% of people just accept being restricted on their mobile devices. I've always tinkered with computers though so having less than root or admin access to stuff is maddening. I'm glad that I'm a domain admin at work and not just another pleeb user, haha.
I wouldn't necessarily count on root helping your battery life a ton, though. I've done lots of crap to try and help, yet it still consumes 2 or 3% an hour in standby, just as it did when it was full of bloat with tons of wake locks. That's with AOD on and Bluetooth enabled and connected to my Gear S2 though, which are bigger battery hogs than the little tweaks that I've done with Greenify, Amplify, and Titanium app-freezing.
A couple other things I want root for are Tasker & FolderMount, though the latter has caused me to Odin my phone back to life twice in an attempt to make it work.

snake2332 said:
Is Samsung Pay more useful than Android Pay, which I believe works with root? I don't really care about either app because my bank is always behind the times and still can't be used in Apple Pay or Android Pay (I just tried again and still not supported by my bank).
You guys pretty much hit all the reasons that I like root, especially all the Xposed modules to do things like keep YouTube playing with screen off and recording phone calls, and just having control over the operating system in general. I couldn't imagine if Windows was locked down like Android, yet 99% of people just accept being restricted on their mobile devices. I've always tinkered with computers though so having less than root or admin access to stuff is maddening. I'm glad that I'm a domain admin at work and not just another pleeb user, haha.
I wouldn't necessarily count on root helping your battery life a ton, though. I've done lots of crap to try and help, yet it still consumes 2 or 3% an hour in standby, just as it did when it was full of bloat with tons of wake locks. That's with AOD on and Bluetooth enabled and connected to my Gear S2 though, which are bigger battery hogs than the little tweaks that I've done with Greenify, Amplify, and Titanium app-freezing.
A couple other things I want root for are Tasker & FolderMount, though the latter has caused me to Odin my phone back to life twice in an attempt to make it work.
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Android Pay does not work with root iirc.

snake2332 said:
Is Samsung Pay more useful than Android Pay, which I believe works with root? I don't really care about either app because my bank is always behind the times and still can't be used in Apple Pay or Android Pay (I just tried again and still not supported by my bank).
You guys pretty much hit all the reasons that I like root, especially all the Xposed modules to do things like keep YouTube playing with screen off and recording phone calls, and just having control over the operating system in general. I couldn't imagine if Windows was locked down like Android, yet 99% of people just accept being restricted on their mobile devices. I've always tinkered with computers though so having less than root or admin access to stuff is maddening. I'm glad that I'm a domain admin at work and not just another pleeb user, haha.
I wouldn't necessarily count on root helping your battery life a ton, though. I've done lots of crap to try and help, yet it still consumes 2 or 3% an hour in standby, just as it did when it was full of bloat with tons of wake locks. That's with AOD on and Bluetooth enabled and connected to my Gear S2 though, which are bigger battery hogs than the little tweaks that I've done with Greenify, Amplify, and Titanium app-freezing.
A couple other things I want root for are Tasker & FolderMount, though the latter has caused me to Odin my phone back to life twice in an attempt to make it work.
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IMO, I feel like I have faster battery drainage with root than without, and I'm on the U firmware right now.

I would say that if you don't know if/why you want root, then you probably don't want it. Particularly in the case of the s7e for VZ. There really isn't anything in the way of custom ROMs or mods yet. I also don't think battery life and performance are any better with root, and in fact I believe it could be the opposite. One of the most common things I hear is people wanting to remove bloat, although the effect of that can mostly be accomplished through an app like package disabler.
Having said that I rooted simply because I wanted to. I like knowing that I can do whatever I'd like on my device. While I have yet to find any critical functionality that being rooted on the S7E gives me that I didn't have without it...I like playing around with things like tasker, and editing the build.prop file.
I've had Titanium backup for a long time, and I certainly like being able to use that again.
I'd like to see a native tethering mod, but since I have Foxfi that's simply a matter of convenience.

I used to be all about root until the Note 5. That phone was fast enough and good enough battery that I didn't need to break samsung pay forever to get root. Then I had a Nexus 6p, rooted immediately but no ROMS were as dependable as stock so I stayed stock and used Android Pay. Now I jump ship to VZW where we seem to get the lock down more often than not, and I really don't care.
Keep it stock, enjoy monthly security updates and Samsung Pay. Just use Samsung browser adaway for Internet ads, and Package Disabler Pro if you'd care to slim down any apps that aren't easily disabled without it. Root causes more headache than its worth for me.