For those of us that were dumb enough to take the NK1 OTA without researching, damning us to an eternity without root, could we potentially worsen the possibility that a root exploit be found by taking the Lollipop OTA as well?
I'd say that if you took the 4.4.4. Update go ahead and upgrade to Lollipop because the chances of someone finding a exploit for 4.4.4 now is slim to none, because if a developer does still have this phone they're gonna be working on Lollipop.
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I'd say that if you took the 4.4.4. Update go ahead and upgrade to Lollipop because the chances of someone finding a exploit for 4.4.4 now is slim to none, because if a developer does still have this phone they're gonna be working on Lollipop.
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Okay, doing some research... I am not going to try and update my Note 3 to Lollipop and damn myself to a pit of rootless use... Would someone please test the theory that OneClickRoot will work for rooting the Verizon Galaxy Note 3 as they claim to be able to do Here.
Just curious... what about being unrooted makes a phone useless? I am just wondering.. i always root mine but thinking bout it, i don't really use anything that HAS to have root?
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Just curious... what about being unrooted makes a phone useless? I am just wondering.. i always root mine but thinking bout it, i don't really use anything that HAS to have root?
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It all depends on what you're trying to do with your phone. It's never going to make it "useless" as a phone. If you have a specific functionality that you're trying to accomplish that requires root and plan to use it all the time, then perhaps the phone could become somewhat useless to you.
To most people it tends to mean that they aren't going to be able to use their native tethering app without having to use some third party software like FoxFi. Rooting your phone means nothing more than giving it's user the ability to grant root (administrative god) privileges to the device. Click happy people will grant root access to anything that asks for it, therefore making it a security disaster to be left available by default. The advanced user can not only be more cautious as to granting root permission, but also maintain what is and is not allowed root at any given time. If done well a user can even maintain a more secure device with root by having access to everything.
Personally I have several different applications and functionalities that require root that I wasn't trying to use when I mistakenly took the 4.4.4 OTA update. They are permanently lost to me as long as I own this device now until a new exploit is found. However, the phone is still not at all useless. It works great as a phone, text messaging device, internet browser, camera, etc... I just miss the availability of control that I no longer have after losing the option to root.
Fwiw, I actually recommend not rooting your device unless you have specific reasoning for it and intend to be extremely cautious granting root access.
Also, if anyone wonders, I did go ahead and take the Lollipop OTA. It performs amazingly and is very aesthetically pleasing!
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It all depends on what you're trying to do with your phone. It's never going to make it "useless" as a phone. If you have a specific functionality that you're trying to accomplish that requires root and plan to use it all the time, then perhaps the phone could become somewhat useless to you.
To most people it tends to mean that they aren't going to be able to use their native tethering app without having to use some third party software like FoxFi. Rooting your phone means nothing more than giving it's user the ability to grant root (administrative god) privileges to the device. Click happy people will grant root access to anything that asks for it, therefore making it a security disaster to be left available by default. The advanced user can not only be more cautious as to granting root permission, but also maintain what is and is not allowed root at any given time. If done well a user can even maintain a more secure device with root by having access to everything.
Personally I have several different applications and functionalities that require root that I wasn't trying to use when I mistakenly took the 4.4.4 OTA update. They are permanently lost to me as long as I own this device now until a new exploit is found. However, the phone is still not at all useless. It works great as a phone, text messaging device, internet browser, camera, etc... I just miss the availability of control that I no longer have after losing the option to root.
Fwiw, I actually recommend not rooting your device unless you have specific reasoning for it and intend to be extremely cautious granting root access.
Also, if anyone wonders, I did go ahead and take the Lollipop OTA. It performs amazingly and is very aesthetically pleasing!
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Very well stated. I agree with you about the uses of rooting as well as how the OTA 5.0 is performing. If you're already unrootable on 4.4.4, then you might as well upgrade to 5.0.
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Just curious... what about being unrooted makes a phone useless? I am just wondering.. i always root mine but thinking bout it, i don't really use anything that HAS to have root?
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It unlocks an array of possiblities that would not normally be alloud llike clean up bloatware, runing certain apps that you dont have permission to, tweaking your phone for performance, fixing bugs that were missed in recent update, xposed function for example, installing different roms, customizing the look and feel of your phone, hacking, development, security testing, just to name a few which start with root and if you have a unlocked bootloader endless possiblities especially on divice like this.
JeSsEiCp said:
It all depends on what you're trying to do with your phone. It's never going to make it "useless" as a phone. If you have a specific functionality that you're trying to accomplish that requires root and plan to use it all the time, then perhaps the phone could become somewhat useless to you.
To most people it tends to mean that they aren't going to be able to use their native tethering app without having to use some third party software like FoxFi. Rooting your phone means nothing more than giving it's user the ability to grant root (administrative god) privileges to the device. Click happy people will grant root access to anything that asks for it, therefore making it a security disaster to be left available by default. The advanced user can not only be more cautious as to granting root permission, but also maintain what is and is not allowed root at any given time. If done well a user can even maintain a more secure device with root by having access to everything.
Personally I have several different applications and functionalities that require root that I wasn't trying to use when I mistakenly took the 4.4.4 OTA update. They are permanently lost to me as long as I own this device now until a new exploit is found. However, the phone is still not at all useless. It works great as a phone, text messaging device, internet browser, camera, etc... I just miss the availability of control that I no longer have after losing the option to root.
Fwiw, I actually recommend not rooting your device unless you have specific reasoning for it and intend to be extremely cautious granting root access.
Also, if anyone wonders, I did go ahead and take the Lollipop OTA. It performs amazingly and is very aesthetically pleasing!
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Is there any change in the strength of the signal. When i first got the device i had service everywhere along the way like many other people on here i be having issues with connection any improvement in the latest update or is it just more bloatware and beefed up security.
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Is there any change in the strength of the signal. When i first got the device i had service everywhere along the way like many other people on here i be having issues with connection any improvement in the latest update or is it just more bloatware and beefed up security.
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I've been keeping an eye on my signal strength over the past few days. While I still have stable connectivity mostly everywhere I go, I have noticed a minor loss in signal strength. At home, my signal strength has dropped 1.5 bars on average as well as having a more difficult holding 4G (will switch to stronger 3G) in locations where 4G strength struggles.
I also noticed it switch to 3G once at my home and then switch back to 4G on it's own after 5-10 minutes and I live 1/4 mile from a cell site where I usually maintained "all bars" before Lollipop.
I haven't suffered any usage issues or bandwidth losses from this yet, but I figured I would answer your question and chime in that I have notice a minor overall signal strength loss.
Thanks dor your reply.
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So i have looked into rooting and it doesn't seem to hard but I am a bit nervous about messing up my phone and not being able to fix it and am not sure whether or not its worth rooting and possibility of not being able to receive any more T-Mobile Upgrades (assuming they continue to).
What are the benefits, as in does it make more space, faster, etc?
Also if i root on my default 1GB MicroSD and buy a larger SD card like i plan to can i just switch them or will it mess everything else after flashing and rooting.
The biggest advantage for rooting for me was Apps2SD and being able to experiment with new ROMS. Additionally, I really enjoy being able to have certain things before they come out officially. For example, before Cyanogen got his C&D order, he was including the newer Market app in his builds. I was able to install Google Navigation before anyone had it. I am running a CM build that has all sorts of eclair icons. There is a noticeable speed increase over official builds. Having access to the command line (terminal) is a plus for quickly moving files, copying files, etc.
There are many, many reasons. Finally, rooting my android device has given me a new appreciation for open source and linux programming as a whole. Its also made me learn the ins and outs of my device because the process of rooting and tinkering with the device forces you to learn lots along the way.
I would take the plunge if I were you....
Cheers,
DM
Just research the howtos, trust me they are everywhere when you search for them.
Other than installing the Danger SPL, which really isn't needed you can literally do anything to your phone short of throwing it on the ground and recover from it with a little effort.
When I ordered my phone I had to wait 2weeks for it to arrive and researched the heck out of it. When I rooted my phone you had to do it the long hard way that well took a bit more effort than now, but there are some rather simple ways to do it now.
Just wondering if anyone who was running rooted stock with any of the reported methods to block updates (e.g. build.prop edit, OTAcerts renaming, DB tinkering) got the update and lost root anyway.
I run CM7, but know a few people who are still on rooted stock. It would be nice to know if, once the new stock OS is rooted, we can employ similar measures to prevent further minor updates and loss of root.
Please note that I am asking about anyone who got the update without wanting it despite measures to block it...I understand that anyone who voluntarily updates will lose root.
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Just wondering if anyone who was running rooted stock with any of the reported methods to block updates (e.g. build.prop edit, OTAcerts renaming, DB tinkering) got the update and lost root anyway.
I run CM7, but know a few people who are still on rooted stock. It would be nice to know if, once the new stock OS is rooted, we can employ similar measures to prevent further minor updates and loss of root.
Please note that I am asking about anyone who got the update without wanting it despite measures to block it...I understand that anyone who voluntarily updates will lose root.
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Yes, I lost root. No,OTAcerts renaming and DB tinkering weren't of any use at all. I don't know about build.prop, but IIUC, that only works after the update has been out a little while, and can't prevent *new* updates like the one that unrooted my nook yesterday.
Unless a reliable method of blocking updates can be found, I may have to go to a custom mod. CM7 is great, but the sleep issue worries me. Maybe, now that an official version of Froyo is out, Nookie-Froyo devs can canabalize drivers, kernels etc and give us a fully functional flash tablet without the sleep of death or the fear of auto-updates?
My Nook was plugged in all morning and nothing was pushed even though i did not take any update prevention measures (other than TI backup all my apps as soon as I saw the update).
I did the DB tweak and as of 5 minutes ago no update pushed on my rooted stock. I just tweaked my router to try and make sure it stays blocked in case the DB tweak really isn't enough. But my router tweaks assume the update server for the classic nook is the same one used for the color.
Does anyone know what server they push the updates from so I can block it for sure?
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I did the DB tweak and as of 5 minutes ago no update pushed on my rooted stock. I just tweaked my router to try and make sure it stays blocked in case the DB tweak really isn't enough. But my router tweaks assume the update server for the classic nook is the same one used for the color.
Does anyone know what server they push the updates from so I can block it for sure?
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No, nobody knows..... Same question with 1.0.1 and 1.1.0. Blocking from build.prop is the only reliable method.
Follow-up question to those of you who lost root. Did you also lose access to the applications you had installed as root? I understand that these will no longer be tied to the market for updating, just wondering if they are still installed and accessible.
Thanks.
Hopefully people backed up before this update was shipped. I suspect it will be rooted pretty quickly so even if you lose root it will only be for a few days.
xxiworld said:
Unless a reliable method of blocking updates can be found, I may have to go to a custom mod. CM7 is great, but the sleep issue worries me.
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You can't have a sleep issue if you don't go to sleep. There is no Sleep of Death in CM7.
RoboRay said:
You can't have a sleep issue if you don't go to sleep. There is no Sleep of Death in CM7.
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That itself is the issue. It doesn't sleep, hence in constantly drains the battery.
I used this method. Don't know how effective it is.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=937584
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I used this method. Don't know how effective it is.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=937584
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That is a script that edits devicemanager.db. I edited devicemanager.db manually, and still got the update. Editing devicemanager.db is useless.
xxiworld said:
That is a script that edits devicemanager.db. I edited devicemanager.db manually, and still got the update. Editing devicemanager.db is useless.
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Can anyone else confirm they've done the sqlite database tweak and still received the OTA update? xxiworld is the only one I've seen on these forums that has said it's happened to his NC.
xxiworld said:
That itself is the issue. It doesn't sleep, hence in constantly drains the battery.
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By a relatively trivial amount. Unless you are unwilling or unable to connect a charger while YOU sleep, the NC really doesn't need to.
It WILL be nice when we get the new kernal that fixes the underlying problem, but avoiding CM7 in the interim simply because you "worry" about it staying awake to work around the issue is cutting off your nose to spite your face.
RoboRay said:
By a relatively trivial amount. Unless you are unwilling or unable to connect a charger while YOU sleep, the NC really doesn't need to.
It WILL be nice when we get the new kernal that fixes the underlying problem, but avoiding CM7 in the interim simply because you "worry" about it staying awake to work around the issue is cutting off your nose to spite your face.
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your definition of trivial is different than mine.
When my wife's ipad and stock nook color can go 4-7 days between charges or more with regular use versus 36 hours max on CM7 because of darin on standby that is 10 fold, that is not trivial.
maybe for your purposes it is acceptable, but it is NOT trivial
Canadoc said:
your definition of trivial is different than mine.
When my wife's ipad and stock nook color can go 4-7 days between charges or more with regular use versus 36 hours max on CM7 because of darin on standby that is 10 fold, that is not trivial.
maybe for your purposes it is acceptable, but it is NOT trivial
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Ditto
I don't use it much. I appreciate not having to charge it all of the time. It tends to stay in my bag a lot. I've been waiting for rooted 1.2 before I leave my rooted 1.0.0...
Deep sleep is more important to me than the tweaks that come with CM7. I'm a pretty basic user.
Forgive me, I've been out of this community for a while, so I'm a bit out of touch. I have an SM-G930A (AT&T S7) running the EngBoot (PH1 -- thanks princecomsy and ChainFire!) and I installed the v15 fixes. I have a grandfathered unlimited plan. I don't do much with root aside from pretty much enabling the tethering option and killing off some bloatware. My main two complaints with this setup are that the phone randomly gets hot and/or sluggish and my battery life is VERY sporadic from day to day. Some days I can go all day and have 80% left, then some days I can't make it through lunch without it being down to 30%. There's no difference in usage between the two days.
Is there a firmware available that would allow me to tether still (root or not, doesn't matter), that isn't a complete suck on the battery and enables Android Pay? I wouldn't mind being able to continue using Titanium (root), but, I could live without it if I get tether and Android Pay.
I have backups and yadda yadda, so I'm ready to do this, I just see a lot of mixed messages in the different threads and am hesitating moving forward...
Thanks!
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Forgive me, I've been out of this community for a while, so I'm a bit out of touch. I have an SM-G930A (AT&T S7) running the EngBoot (PH1 -- thanks princecomsy and ChainFire!) and I installed the v15 fixes. I have a grandfathered unlimited plan. I don't do much with root aside from pretty much enabling the tethering option and killing off some bloatware. My main two complaints with this setup are that the phone randomly gets hot and/or sluggish and my battery life is VERY sporadic from day to day. Some days I can go all day and have 80% left, then some days I can't make it through lunch without it being down to 30%. There's no difference in usage between the two days.
Is there a firmware available that would allow me to tether still (root or not, doesn't matter), that isn't a complete suck on the battery and enables Android Pay? I wouldn't mind being able to continue using Titanium (root), but, I could live without it if I get tether and Android Pay.
I have backups and yadda yadda, so I'm ready to do this, I just see a lot of mixed messages in the different threads and am hesitating moving forward...
Thanks!
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From what i understand is that if your rooted, android pay or Samsung pay will not work. The phone is sluggish and gets hot do to the engineering kernel even with the V15 fixes. The only way around it that I've found is to flash the Stang5.0litre rom from the Verizon thread (including his fixes in the OP that are strictly for his rom, don't use the v15 fixes.zip if you flash his rom as it'll mess you up). You'll just have to use WiFi to setup the phone afterwards enter in your APN and use titanium to freeze "setup wizard" to get rid of the "this is not a Verizon sim" message. As far as teathering, you can update to the latest AT&T firmware (APK1) and still root the phone and use xposed for the teather bypass. However, if you update and root then install the Stang5.0litre rom, teather bypass is activated by default on his rom i believe.
Well, let me approach/ask this a different way... if I use the engineering kernel/root is there a way I can modify the phone to enable tether then go back to the standard kernel/image? It's painful to deal with the sluggishness and heating up. It takes way too long just to unlock the phone. The *ONLY* thing I use root for is tethering right now, that's it.
Again, thanks for the responses! I sincerely appreciate it!
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Well, let me approach/ask this a different way... if I use the engineering kernel/root is there a way I can modify the phone to enable tether then go back to the standard kernel/image? It's painful to deal with the sluggishness and heating up. It takes way too long just to unlock the phone. The *ONLY* thing I use root for is tethering right now, that's it.
Again, thanks for the responses! I sincerely appreciate it!
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I don't know if you can or not. I have a teather plan so I'm not sure what would need to be changed.
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Well, let me approach/ask this a different way... if I use the engineering kernel/root is there a way I can modify the phone to enable tether then go back to the standard kernel/image? It's painful to deal with the sluggishness and heating up. It takes way too long just to unlock the phone. The *ONLY* thing I use root for is tethering right now, that's it.
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Unfortunately you can only have root on the phone if you are running the engboot kernel, and you can't go back to full stock and keep your data/settings. KNOX, SELinux, and dm-verity lock things down so much on Samsung devices, it's incredibly difficult to get root by more traditional means. Because the engboot kernel is actually from Samsung (leaked), it's allowed to be installed on the device. If you try to patch with anything non-standard, you run the risk of tripping the KNOX flag and crippling the phone.
I've been looking for a list of apps I could safely turn off or disable on my LG6 H873. I'm just not sure what is safe with out affecting my phone or maybe compromising the security of my phone? I'm completely new to this and very unsure could use the help.
I've checked around and can say really glad to be a part of the community. I sure to learn a great deal more here as I can see from roaming around in your halls... Some very smart people with great ideas. I'm hoping to learn from all of you and thanks for the spot. I hope to contribute the best I can.
you can Remove Bloatware without ROOT
You can remove all the bloatware without root.
This is 100% safe and you do not compromise any security of the device and also you get system updates. But careful while disabling the apps as some apps may make the system unstable. Google the app name before you disable.
1. Connect your phone (with USB debugging ON) to your computer.
2. Open ADB terminal and check your device connection.
3. Use ADB commands to uninstall the bloatware from your phone.
This method just disables the app for the current user and will not remove from the phone memory.
You will get OTA update as the system partition has not changed.
Follow the link for step-by-step with screenshots and detailed descriptions.
https://www.xda-developers.com/unins...t-root-access/
I tried and it worked. I removed all the Sprint bloatware from my LG G6.
Enjoy.
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I've been looking for a list of apps I could safely turn off or disable on my LG6 H873. I'm just not sure what is safe with out affecting my phone or maybe compromising the security of my phone? I'm completely new to this and very unsure could use the help.
I've checked around and can say really glad to be a part of the community. I sure to learn a great deal more here as I can see from roaming around in your halls... Some very smart people with great ideas. I'm hoping to learn from all of you and thanks for the spot. I hope to contribute the best I can.
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Thank you for such a quick reply. This will be helpful. I've never done this before so hoping I don't screw up. But good to know I can do no real damage and set it back thru factory.
But what I was also wondering is what is safe to uninstall. I wish not to accidentally compromise the security of my phone, while still getting the rest off. I'm no where close to root material, which from what I understand gives me total control.
I've seen other lists of things that are safe to turn off for Samsung and others, but alas not for the LG6.
I would just feel better knowing that this can be turned off with no harm done.
Thanks again will definitely use this for when I am purging.
Appreciated
Silent Warrior
Silent Warrior said:
Thank you for such a quick reply. This will be helpful. I've never done this before so hoping I don't screw up. But good to know I can do no real damage and set it back thru factory.
But what I was also wondering is what is safe to uninstall. I wish not to accidentally compromise the security of my phone, while still getting the rest off. I'm no where close to root material, which from what I understand gives me total control.
I've seen other lists of things that are safe to turn off for Samsung and others, but alas not for the LG6.
I would just feel better knowing that this can be turned off with no harm done.
Thanks again will definitely use this for when I am purging.
Appreciated
Silent Warrior
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You can't harm the security unless you aren't on the latest firmware as that fixes the krack vulnerabilities. This device model hasn't seen root ever so you don't need to worry.
I have a Verizon LG V20 that blocks any use of the first screen (sweep right from home screen) by displaying the Verizon "summons" to install AppFlash. I do not want to download, install, use, in any form this potentially invasive app from Verizon but I do want my screen real estate returned to my full use. No, I have NOT d/l'ed it and/or installed it. Installing it and then disabling it is equally distasteful as a rational option.
I know that I can root the phone to accomplish this but, since I am no longer the higher level user I once was, I am hesitant to root the phone for this reason alone. For my level of usage, stock with ongoing updates is more than sufficient.
Can no one rid me of this meddlesome AppFlash offer short of rooting?
Thanks in advance for any help.