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I think about either buying a i7500 or a Magic soon, but can't really decide which to pick :/
The i7500 has a very nice screen and a better design in general...
But I'm unsure whether it will ever get much community support, like you have here, for custom ROMs which give you all the nice features on your Magic which the other (newer) Android Phones (will) have. Like newer Interfaces (like the ones seen lately here on the forums).
What do you guys think?
My last phone was a HTC Niki, which is now seriously broken. I use my old outdoor Nokia atm.
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But I'm unsure whether it will ever get much community support, like you have here, for custom ROMs which give you all the nice features on your Magic which the other (newer) Android Phones (will) have. Like newer Interfaces (like the ones seen lately here on the forums).
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This was exactly how I felt however the advantages of this forum outweighed the 5mega pixels (I have a Lumix 10Mpixel camera with a flash) the extra memory (I can buy higher capacity SD card to meet my needs) and I prefer the design of the Magic...and it's available now
In my eyes the Magic is inferior by all means.
Except this forum
Also I will by it next month the earliest because I have so save a little money for it first (I'm still studying at University)
xda is the best reason to go with the Magic, no doubt. The Sammy is actually slightly better at almost everything, with a few exceptions, but that really doesn't matter.. without a great dev community like xda backing it, the Sammy is not worth zilch. At least not for power users.
You can get your hands on a magic today, and you have to wait on the Samsung. Most of the spec's seems to be better on the Samsung, but I prefer the design of the htc and I also like the trackball which seems handy for browsing.
I'm also unsure about which to get.
i7500:
Better Camera
LED Flash
More ROM
Better Battery
3.5mm Jack
AMOLED Display
Slimmer Build
Dedicated Camera Key
Price?
Magic:
288MB RAM (i7500 has 128MB)
XDA Dev
Available Now
450 Euro Price
Trackball
The choice is yours but I'm going to wait for reviews and comparisons of both devices. The price of the i7500 is also a big deal for me, but it hasn't been announced yet. I also want to see what becomes of Huawei's device; however I am quite sure it won't have the specs of the i7500 but you never know!
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I'm also unsure about which to get.
i7500:
Better Camera
LED Flash
More ROM
Better Battery
3.5mm Jack
AMOLED Display
Slimmer Build
Dedicated Camera Key
Price?
Magic:
288MB RAM (i7500 has 128MB)
XDA Dev
Available Now
450 Euro Price
The choice is yours but I'm going to wait for reviews and comparisons of both devices. The price of the i7500 is also a big deal for me, but it hasn't been announced yet. I also want to see what becomes of Huawei's device; however I am quite sure it won't have the specs of the i7500 but you never know!
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Also add the trackball to the Magic list.
LOL yea I didn't think the trackball would be to my liking but after having some serious hands-on time with the G1, i sort of got used to it. Seriously thinking about picking up an unlocked version from Timtechs, any one ever ordered from them? Would have ordered from handtec, but they do not carry it
FYI I attended the Australian media launch for the Samsung I7500 Galaxy Icon today
this is my mini-review http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/samsung-i7500-galaxy-icon-android-mobile-smartphone-review/
the fact that 1st magic has the better design (i really find the galaxy awful looking) and the ram-thing(288 vs _128_(!!!)) plus availability of custom roms made me pick the magic.
Im buying a Samsung also
I really like my airtel HTC magic "now". Now that its rooted and thanks to the folks here at the Sapphire forum. The custom ROMs, the developer teams, the themes, the help. I like the magic in all regards. Its my very first Android phone and now with the market on it, with being able to easily add and upgrade applications, and getting rid of that crippled build that airtel India gave me...
But I am curious and I am a gadget boy I guess . So I'll just buy a Samsung and in fact I've pre-ordered it and it ships in a week or so.
I am going to punch the Donate button because I've been doing open source and Linux stuff for over 10 years and this stuff takes a lot of effort.
I'm wanting a phone that's got the power (if not more) than the HD2 had but using the Android OS. I've had two of these phones so far and the mms issue is really, really annoying amongst other things people have already mentioned but I'm not going to do that.
Aesthetically speaking the phone was phenomenal as well as its hardware, software wise it just felt on its face for me.
Anyhow any suggestions for things that are coming out that a tmobile USA customer could use I would appreciate it or something that's sort of identical to the HD2 just in android form.
Closest non HTC I have seen running Android hardware wise, is the Sony Ericsson Xperia X10.
Same Snapdragon 1ghz and similar ram setup. Also very sleek and similar design.
I have one of them too, tbh I do prefer the HD2. winmo 6 isnt as bad as previous versions and the HD2 comes with sense. With a few tweaks its doing far more than my X10.
Anyhow, not sure if its available in the US, but I cant see why not.
Hope this helps,
Sp4wn
uh the evo on sprint ius nearly identical hardware with android...how are you on xda and don't know this?
Evo 4G is pretty much identical to the HD2 and it runs Android with sense(has 8mp camera in the back, front facing camera, and hdmi mini out). It's coming out this summer (June i think), but it's for sprint so you'd have to change carriers.
At this time, you're not going to find anything more powerful than HD2, since all it's components are max of what's out there atm.
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uh the evo on sprint ius nearly identical hardware with android...how are you on xda and don't know this?
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I don't make it a habit of frequenting all the other boards all the time and I'm with tmobile USA so I get even more limited with what phones they have to offer and I'm not a huge fan of spending 500+ for a phone if I can help it..
As for the evo, thank you very much - that sounds like something I would be completely interested in going for.
If the Hd2 ends up getting some updates that make sense stop crashing I'd be all over it.
So what do people think now? I am personally swayed to buy the Desire Z, but I would like to see what other people think.
Having watched http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ly4C0TXmnlQ, I am pretty impressed by htcsense.com (for the off days that I forget my phone!). The maps app isn't really that smooth...the demo showed it being quite laggy on the Desire HD.
Build quality is great, performance seems smooth, keyboard looks fantastic (no numbers row though =[ ) and the screen looks crisp.
edit: maybe I should have also posted on the Desire HD forum! =P
Bye windows hello android
well im selling my TP2 no more windows for me and putting the rest with my pocket as well for the desire Z. i had doubts but after listening to that guy brag how the phone is... im sold. lol.
i also have a TP2,but i am going to keep it,however i want this phone, i looks sexy and thin, and it has htc sense
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well im selling my TP2 no more windows for me and putting the rest with my pocket as well for the desire Z. i had doubts but after listening to that guy brag how the phone is... im sold. lol.
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i've been fed up with windows mobile for about a year now with my HTC Blackstone...it's simply too old and dated an OS. And WinPho & is simply too locked down and not as flexible as I'd like it to be (I'm so sick of those tiles!).
Android looks like the way to me...and *if* I do want to load up my phone with something bloated and pretty, then I will use the HTC Sense bundled in with that phone...which is tons better than the HTC Sense on Windows Mobile.
The Desire Z looked great to me. Perfect size, build quality is on point, gorgeous keyboard, and very fast. I hope the G2 is the same color as the Desire Z, the G2 looks a bit lighter from the renders on T-Mobile's site.
The Desire HD was a bit of a let down to me. First off, it's not HD. A 4.3 inch screen needs a better resolution than 800x480. The colors on the screen look incredibly washed out compared to the Desire Z. Also is it true that the HD only has a 1250mAh battery?!
Can't wait to get the G2. Goodbye Vibrant.
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i've been fed up with windows mobile for about a year now with my HTC Blackstone...it's simply too old and dated an OS. And WinPho & is simply too locked down and not as flexible as I'd like it to be (I'm so sick of those tiles!).
Android looks like the way to me...and *if* I do want to load up my phone with something bloated and pretty, then I will use the HTC Sense bundled in with that phone...which is tons better than the HTC Sense on Windows Mobile.
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i couldnt agree more. im done with the freezeing and sluggish UI. wp7 is prolly good but its not going to be on my tp2 so i have no reason to keep it. do u know for blackstone if it will be surpported?
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Having watched http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ly4C0TXmnlQ, I am pretty impressed by htcsense.com (for the off days that I forget my phone!)
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Looks like HTC have pulled that video off their Youtube account. I wonder why
I am eager to see how the MSM7230 800MHz performs compared to the 1GHz Snapdragon that sits in my Nexus currently. But I already know I will be pre-ordering the Desire Z ASAP. I have been waiting for a high-end qwerty Android phone from HTC for so long. Cant believe its finally here, and its *almost* everything I wanted..
I am a bit annoyed at HTC though, because they have a tendency to do this. The Desire HD has a great unibody construction which gives the phone that extreme high-end feel to it, while the Desire Z is left with a combination of aluminium and plastic finish. Why, I don't know. Also wish they would have put some aluminium love on the keyboard as well, but at least the keyboard looks good otherwise.
Those are probably my only concerns regarding the Desire Z (that, and the lame name). I hope the Z mechanism lasts as well though and wont get sluggish over time.
Anyway, its as close to perfect for me as any other phone has ever been so Im picking it up anyways. Just wish HTC would stop holding back when launching new phones. If the MSM7230 800MHz performs well then Im relieved, but if not then I will be mad at HTC for not going for the 1GHz version instead. The MSM7230 has the Adeno 205 GPU, but since Android doesn't support GPU acceleration I guess we wont get much joy from it.
Now Im just waiting for pre-orders here to show up!
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The MSM7230 has the Adeno 205 GPU, but since Android doesn't support GPU acceleration I guess we wont get much joy from it.
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is GPU acceleration something that modders can address? also, I'm curious what the GPU does when its not being utilized for acceleration. isn't the very definition of a GPU that its a graphics accelerator? is it that Android uses it for some things like games and video, but not others, like scrolling and webpage rendering?
also, rumor has it that Android 3.0 will implement graphics acceleration, so for a good portion of the time you have your G2 you should enjoy said acceleration (for the record, yes I believe the G2 will be definitely be upgradeable to Gingerbread)
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I am eager to see how the MSM7230 800MHz performs compared to the 1GHz Snapdragon that sits in my Nexus currently. But I already know I will be pre-ordering the Desire Z ASAP. I have been waiting for a high-end qwerty Android phone from HTC for so long. Cant believe its finally here, and its *almost* everything I wanted..
I am a bit annoyed at HTC though, because they have a tendency to do this. The Desire HD has a great unibody construction which gives the phone that extreme high-end feel to it, while the Desire Z is left with a combination of aluminium and plastic finish. Why, I don't know. Also wish they would have put some aluminium love on the keyboard as well, but at least the keyboard looks good otherwise.
Those are probably my only concerns regarding the Desire Z (that, and the lame name). I hope the Z mechanism lasts as well though and wont get sluggish over time.
Anyway, its as close to perfect for me as any other phone has ever been so Im picking it up anyways. Just wish HTC would stop holding back when launching new phones. If the MSM7230 800MHz performs well then Im relieved, but if not then I will be mad at HTC for not going for the 1GHz version instead. The MSM7230 has the Adeno 205 GPU, but since Android doesn't support GPU acceleration I guess we wont get much joy from it.
Now Im just waiting for pre-orders here to show up!
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Haha same here. This is the qwerty device I've been waiting for!
After I watched the videos I actually got the impression the Desire Z had better build quality than the Desire HD did. I didn't see any brushed aluminum on the HD but it's all over the Z. Reporters even said that most of the Desire Z is made of metal (aluminum) and looks amazing. The HD looked just like the Evo 4G to me, which feels sturdy in hand, but doesn't have that fancy brushed aluminum finish to it.
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Haha same here. This is the qwerty device I've been waiting for!
After I watched the videos I actually got the impression the Desire Z had better build quality than the Desire HD did. I didn't see any brushed aluminum on the HD but it's all over the Z. Reporters even said that most of the Desire Z is made of metal (aluminum) and looks amazing. The HD looked just like the Evo 4G to me, which feels sturdy in hand, but doesn't have that fancy brushed aluminum finish to it.
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Well, regardless of what you think you see, the HD is unibody (meaning its body is made out of one piece of aluminium) and the front is largely made out of glass...
Of course Im basing all this on what Ive heard and seen rather than my personal experience as I havent touched any of these yet. The Desire Z is made out of aluminium and plastic, while the z-hinge is supposedly made out of some sort of metal.. according to a HTC spokesperson, some kind of strong alloy. So at least it seems they have done a good job with that mechanism which is great news, as the Touch Pro and Touch Pro 2 tends to get jerky after a while!
I am basically sold on the G2 at this point. I have been a loyal Verizon customer for over 6 years. A year ago I never would have thought of leaving...but in the last 6 months, I have been running all the Donut/Eclair/Froyo builds on my aging HTC Vogue (KUDOS to DZO, Myn, Incubus26jc and the whole Android Vogue group, their work is amazing) and even an imperfect Donut is better than WinMo. Running their modded ROMS has sold me on stock Android.
Not at all interested in WinPho 7...it looks lame and locked up. I was going to stick with Verizon, but kluging Bing on the Fascinate was the last straw. Any carrier that would do that does not care about Android at all...or their customers. Sense is the only UI I'd consider using...but even Sense is losing steam. Gingerbread is going to blow it away, I think.
At any rate...Tmo seems the only carrier interested in delivering the pure Android experience. They have better plans...and this new phone is going to be amazing, with lots of dev support.
I'm sold...goodbye Verizon.
If you think about it the new sense w/landscape is already developed for Desire Z so it should be a quick port and we would have the new sense and stock. I like to switch back and forth and the keyboard and HSPA+ are very tempting.
My thoughts after the announcement is I want an HTC Desire HD.
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I am basically sold on the G2 at this point. I have been a loyal Verizon customer for over 6 years. A year ago I never would have thought of leaving...but in the last 6 months, I have been running all the Donut/Eclair/Froyo builds on my aging HTC Vogue (KUDOS to DZO, Myn, Incubus26jc and the whole Android Vogue group, their work is amazing) and even an imperfect Donut is better than WinMo. Running their modded ROMS has sold me on stock Android.
Not at all interested in WinPho 7...it looks lame and locked up. I was going to stick with Verizon, but kluging Bing on the Fascinate was the last straw. Any carrier that would do that does not care about Android at all...or their customers. Sense is the only UI I'd consider using...but even Sense is losing steam. Gingerbread is going to blow it away, I think.
At any rate...Tmo seems the only carrier interested in delivering the pure Android experience. They have better plans...and this new phone is going to be amazing, with lots of dev support.
I'm sold...goodbye Verizon.
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Good choice. The G2 is definitely going to bring attention to T-Mobile. I think people are getting tired of all these Touchwiz/Motorblur phones and want Stock android. Like you said it seems that only T-Mobile cares about this. Verizon only cares about money and exploits Android to fill their pockets.
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Good choice. The G2 is definitely going to bring attention to T-Mobile. I think people are getting tired of all these Touchwiz/Motorblur phones and want Stock android. Like you said it seems that only T-Mobile cares about this. Verizon only cares about money and exploits Android to fill their pockets.
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lol well, make no mistake, t-mobile cares just as much about making money as verizon does. they're just trying to carve out a niche in the market for "with google." that's their selling point for the G2. verizon's selling point is their network, which I think we can all agree is the best (in terms of coverage). they don't need to exploit a niche market because they're super mainstream, so they have the luxury of adding even more to their bottom line by making deals with companies like microsoft, i.e. the Bing deal
seems that the Desire Z and HD haven't won over everybody...but it is still quite popular (this is the Desire Z forum afterall)...I was thinking of buying it on the play.com website...but does anyone know if they do free shipping to Australia?
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seems that the Desire Z and HD haven't won over everybody...but it is still quite popular (this is the Desire Z forum afterall)...I was thinking of buying it on the play.com website...but does anyone know if they do free shipping to Australia?
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Sucks for them. Those people won't be happy until the first dual-core 1.5Ghz phone with 400ppi and built in toaster gets announced. Even though they could not use that kind of speed...
Why don't you go on their website and see?
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lol .............. verizon's selling point is their network, which I think we can all agree is the best (in terms of coverage). they don't need to exploit a niche market because they're super mainstream, so they have the luxury of adding even more to their bottom line by making deals with companies like microsoft, i.e. the Bing deal
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don't be to sure of verizon's network being that great - a) the more users on a network, the slower the network and that is the down side to verizon's network - they sell that network too well. But b) as far as coverage, don't underestimate Tmo's network or partnership carriers. Every year i travel with a couple of partner company reps to visit suppliers & clients in upstate Vermont (2 miles south of the canadian border), northwest texas, new mexico & oklahoma. One is with verizon & the other on AT&T (yeah i know AT&T is weak), but whenever we're somewhere rural, the verizon phone drops all bars while my tmo still has 1-2 - leaving Derby, VT and heading south, we're talking a 90 - 100 mile stretch that's pretty desolate going into low foothills - but the last time, my verizon buddy had to use my phone to finish a 20 minute call.
we've gone thru this 3 years running, whether we're in VT, New Mex, Tx or Oklahoma and every year he comments he needs to look at Tmo for his company. While Tmo may not own the entire network, they've been smart in partnering with a lot of the small carriers.
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I am about to get one of the phones above. I'm leaning more towards the Atrix. But the thing I like about the Desire Z is obviously Sense is way better than Blur. There are a lot more roms available for it. HTC apps included with it are very unique such as locations and other one. But this is phone is going to be outdated pretty soon. The Atrix is gonna be good for the long-term.
So please I need suggestions.
Thank You
Dual core seems nice, as I've read comments that the dual core results in generally faster/smoother experience. I just personally don't like any of the phones that Moto has churned out for some time now. Most of them just seem cheap and plasticky. I haven't handled the Atrix in person yet. But the Droid2's casing and sliding keyboard feels like cheap junk compared to the Vision. And support by ROM developers is a big deal to me. I probably won't start being interested in dual core until HTC comes out with something.
Yes dual core is nice. I have played with the DZ demos at the store a lot of times, and I really like it, I also went to RadioShack to see the Atrix and yes I agree with the plastic making it fee really cheap. I just wish the DZ has everything the ATrix has inside except for Blur.
Thanks a lot for your reply
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Dual core seems nice, as I've read comments that the dual core results in generally faster/smoother experience. I just personally don't like any of the phones that Moto has churned out for some time now. Most of them just seem cheap and plasticky. I haven't handled the Atrix in person yet. But the Droid2's casing and sliding keyboard feels like cheap junk compared to the Vision. And support by ROM developers is a big deal to me. I probably won't start being interested in dual core until HTC comes out with something.
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Here in the states the Atrix is available on AT&T and I gave it some serious thought as I bought my DZ off contract obviously.
For me, the hardware keyboard is a must. I use my phone for many different things but text messaging and email is a big portion of my use and I have never learned to 'like' an on-screen keyboard (must me from my Blackberry days)
The dual-core processor is tempting but I would imagine that the offering of dual core phones will quadruple by years end. The build quality has been mentioned in the previous post and Motorola simply cannot compete with HTC in that department. Also, the developer support for the DZ will likely continue to be significantly better than Motorola devices. This is an intangible that many of us forget.
The one thing that still tempts me about the Atrix is the lap dock that is available for it. It essentially turns the thing into a laptop computer which is amazing. If you haven't seen it already I'd google it. Awesome concept but also comes with a hefty pricetag...
Motorola Atrix has a locked bootloader.
Read my opinion on your Similar post in Motorola Atrix section...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=12171301#post12171301
artix isnt optimised well for the tegra two so its a bit choppy to be honest
Personal opinion, I say wait for some of the other phones to come out with the dual core chip. If I'm correct though it'll be a while until HTC releases one since most of their main phones are mostly Qualcomm chips and not Nvidia. I could be wrong. Oh and quallcomm isn't releasing the duals until Q3 Q4ish time
As for the hardware, the Atrix seems loaded in that department. But Motorola just never has enough devs to compete with mainstream HTC phones like the Desire HD or DZ.
Sent from my HTC Vision
What carrier are you going to be using? If the phone you pick works on HSPA for whatever network it is, then I would honestly say it's a pretty difficult choice. On one hand you have the Atrix, the most powerful phone on the market, but the Tegra platform needs more time to garner support (last I checked there were quite a few apps that don't work with Tegra), and of course the rom community is in it's infancy. The G2/DZ on the other hand, is one of the fastest single core devices on the market, has a fantastic community, lots of app support for the processor (even Netflix soon because of Snapdragon), and the most important thing for me, the physical keyboard. I refuse to buy a phone without a physical keyboard, sorry, it's just not a proper computing device without that.
Sent from my G2 running GingerMex Ghost Chili
Idk if you guys have noticed but HTC is declining at an alarming rate http://thenextweb.com/insider/2015/08/13/htc-cuts-15-of-its-workforce-as-it-battles-poor-sales/ and they're worthless http://techcrunch.com/2015/08/10/htc-is-now-essentially-worthless-and-insecure/#.lb8fpr:0sl9 . So do you guys think HTC is doomed or will they make a comeback?
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Idk if you guys have noticed but HTC is declining at an alarming rate http://thenextweb.com/insider/2015/08/13/htc-cuts-15-of-its-workforce-as-it-battles-poor-sales/ and they're worthless http://techcrunch.com/2015/08/10/htc-is-now-essentially-worthless-and-insecure/#.lb8fpr:0sl9 . So do you guys think HTC is doomed or will they make a comeback?
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LOL I read those same links and came up with a different conclusion than you..........................................
In the short term profits are non existent, but that does not mean they are down and out.
Look at most of the USA's motor manufacturers, they were in the same boat not to long back
It's funny you mention this. I was displaying something at work the other day to a coworker and a few of his friends. After the video was over, someone asked: "What phone is that?" I said "The HTC One M9". He responded with "HTC? Wow I haven't seen anyone with an HTC in a long time." The rest of the group nodded. That's when I realized that HTC is behind in the game, even if their Flagship product continues to out-pace the S6 and G4 in terms of battery life and build quality. When people think of buying a new phone the first thing that pops into their heads are either the iPhone or Samsung. Samsung is a massive company that has been saturating the market with advertisements for years. But even moving passed them, what are some other phone manufacturers that normal, non-tech savvy people would think of. LG is a familiar name. HTC? Not so much.
HTC needs to get its name out there. Its making quality devices and no one seems to care. The M9 wasn't a big departure from the M8 in terms of looks and when people buy phones they want to be noticed. A phone is every bit an upgrade to the person's communication capabilities as it is a social status. For the buyers that do research before purchasing a new device, they probably stumbled upon the slew of articles proclaiming the Snapdragon 810's heat problems. They also probably read about the lackluster camera. While the camera, after many updates, is quite good, it still doesn't have basic features like OIS. Unfortunately, we live in a society where the camera is the most important part of the phone; thanks to Instagram, Snapchat, Twitter, Facebook, etc. People want a phone that they can just point and shoot in any condition and take a good photo. So when I read articles like the ones you posted above, I find myself not really that surprised. HTC has struggled to keep up with the likes of Samsung, LG and Motorola. Period.
As for me, the M9 is nice, but I absolutely cannot wait for the new Nexus 5 to come out this year. The development community here has some nice content but between Sense and the lack of sources coming from HTC, I find myself missing my old N5 more and more. This will be the last HTC device I'll ever own.
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The M9 wasn't a big departure from the M8 in terms of looks and when people buy phones they want to be noticed.
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Yeah because Apple totally redesign their phones every year and wouldn't possibly ship the same phone again with an S badge on it. People still queue for days down the street for it.
They're in trouble, yes. Even a killer M10 might not be enough because the market is just saturated and the margins on flagship phones are so thin. And they're going to have trouble rolling out a killer phone for the simple reason that nobody can afford to max out the specs anymore and still sell their phones at a profit. I mean, look what happened with the OP2. Even Samsung had to cut corners on the S6 (battery, sdcard slot).
Samsung is surviving on marketing and market share, but when the cheap smartphones from China start really flooding the market, things are going to change for everyone.
Despite the negation of some, HTC is at its darkest hour. If the hero product coming doesn't turns out to be a real hero, I'm afraid the M10 will be the last for them to succeed they need both to be successful, and considering the middle tier and phones like the Redmi Note 2 out there, it's gonna be really hard
In my humble opinion, HTC should try not to compete with Apple and Samsung, but move in a new direction. They should move to a more niche market, keeping the things they are good at and also creating a device that comes rooted, so people who like all the modding can have a device that would truly unique to them or bespoke.
Samsung and Apple are to big now for HTC to compete with, so heading in a completely different directions may save HTC, but the company would be a lot smaller than it is now.
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It's funny you mention this. I was displaying something at work the other day to a coworker and a few of his friends. After the video was over, someone asked: "What phone is that?" I said "The HTC One M9". He responded with "HTC? Wow I haven't seen anyone with an HTC in a long time." The rest of the group nodded. That's when I realized that HTC is behind in the game, even if their Flagship product continues to out-pace the S6 and G4 in terms of battery life and build quality. When people think of buying a new phone the first thing that pops into their heads are either the iPhone or Samsung. Samsung is a massive company that has been saturating the market with advertisements for years. But even moving passed them, what are some other phone manufacturers that normal, non-tech savvy people would think of. LG is a familiar name. HTC? Not so much.
HTC needs to get its name out there. Its making quality devices and no one seems to care. The M9 wasn't a big departure from the M8 in terms of looks and when people buy phones they want to be noticed. A phone is every bit an upgrade to the person's communication capabilities as it is a social status. For the buyers that do research before purchasing a new device, they probably stumbled upon the slew of articles proclaiming the Snapdragon 810's heat problems. They also probably read about the lackluster camera. While the camera, after many updates, is quite good, it still doesn't have basic features like OIS. Unfortunately, we live in a society where the camera is the most important part of the phone; thanks to Instagram, Snapchat, Twitter, Facebook, etc. People want a phone that they can just point and shoot in any condition and take a good photo. So when I read articles like the ones you posted above, I find myself not really that surprised. HTC has struggled to keep up with the likes of Samsung, LG and Motorola. Period.
As for me, the M9 is nice, but I absolutely cannot wait for the new Nexus 5 to come out this year. The development community here has some nice content but between Sense and the lack of sources coming from HTC, I find myself missing my old N5 more and more. This will be the last HTC device I'll ever own.
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Great post, I'm with ya... In my case, I miss my OnePlus One just like you miss your Nexus 5. I'm planning on getting one of the two new Nexus that are coming out in October as well, and the M9 is probably going to be my last HTC device as well.
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CaseyChaos666 said:
Yeah because Apple totally redesign their phones every year and wouldn't possibly ship the same phone again with an S badge on it. People still queue for days down the street for it.
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HTC is not apple. Apple can afford to do that, HTC can't.
I bought the M9 on a whim (and to see if HTC got its head straight after the Doubleshot debacle) and I'm impressed with this phone. Unfortunately it's too little too late.
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I have a lot of htc devices before i buy sgs3 and then sgs5. I go for sammy because there was too many hardware issues with htc phones. But touchwiz i the ugliest launcher. I just can'tuse it. So i install cm on my samsungs. But there was always something that doesnt work as it should. Now with m9 i am very happy again. I would definitely support this copamny in future. I don't know why people are expecting so different design. Not always different is good.
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I hope it doesn't lose ground. I know this isn't a popular device amongst the 2015 flagships. Definitely doesn't beat m8 in terms of popularity either. Their main focus is their next phone but hope htc continues to give us timely updates and support for this device. My only concern.
It's sad that my dad even knows this company is struggling and he doesn't know anything about smartphones.
I'm hoping HTC doesn't die either, pretty much the only phone on the market I like due to the sense overlay, don't like Samsung's touchwiz and as for the rest, LG, Sony etc, well you may as well just get a Nexus, and Sony are rubbish for updates in my experience, Cant stand I don't know phones.
M9 is currently available on Virgin Mobile for half the price it was 4 months ago, sorry all those who grabbed it as soon as it came out on a 2 year contract and are paying double :crying: current price is not a good sign, still may grab one however when my contract comes up for renewal in November, maybe it will be a bit cheaper.
HTC are upsetting a lot of people at the moment with them promising updates and then not bothering, M8 just lost its August update, we now have to wait till android M release, and I can really see by the time its ready, they will use the excuse that the device is over 2 years old so no update, so still no Sense 7 unless you go custom rom, if XDA developers can do it, why cant HTC ?
HTC Mini 2 aka M8 mini, only got a year of updates, didn't even get Lollipop, not a very happy Mrs. promised by HTC then cancelled.
M7 updates got the 2 year excuse and left with a buggy Lollipop, which were fixed by Google 4 weeks later in 5.1.
I miss the HTC that made good phones like this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfSxWNOG8DQ That video gives me a nostalgia overload.
Looks like htc is digging a bigger hole for the m9 with the a9 being announced in September.
The support for this device is going to downtrend fast.
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Looks like htc is digging a bigger hole for the m9 with the a9 being announced in September.
The support for this device is going to downtrend fast.
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If they do a good job with the initial release that doesn't needs to be true; It will include the latest android version, so no need to worry about system updates probably until android M, it will include the stagefright patches, so no need to worry about that either. If it includes a good camera and gets rid of Snapdragon 810, there won't be a need of constant firmware updates and even if it includes the 810, they've improved it so much so far, so there would be no need to firmware updates, cause they passed for that with the M9 already.
Again that's assuming they're going to announce sometihng at IFA, which is yet uncertain.
Simply put...nowadays phone manufacturers don't need to build the best phone to sell the "best" phone, they just have to make it the most popular phone. People outside of XDA don't buy a phone because it has killer features, or superior build quality, or the best camera; they buy a phone because the marketing department said it was the best phone on the market, plain and simple. If HTC wants to catch up, all they need to do is change the look of the M10 and focus on marketing it heavily. HTC has been building top tier smartphones for some time now and they have lost the market game to Samsung and Apple every year.
And also, don't think for a minute that other manufacturers will not pay for negative press on competing phones. They know that public perception is what drives public reception. I am quite certain that Samsung "influenced" atleast a few of the bad review that the M9 received. I am the proud owner of an M9 and although it hasn't been the best phone that I have ever owned, it is FAR from as bad as some of the reviews made it out to be; but if you read the reviews and base your phone decision off of them, you would think the M9 was a piece of junk to be avoided.
All HTC needs to do is figure out some hip gimmicks and marketing (not for us, but for the public), and they will be just fine.
Htc is for people who don't want to go with the sheep of the phone world, plus once you've had a decent high end htc device you'll always be looking back if you switch to let's say a Samsung or an apple device. They're always really close to getting it perfect, this time round it's obviously the camera which is still good but you need to tweak it a bit, personally I'd always chose htc, they're great phones, especially since the m7.
In terms of overall sales, no they're not doing as well as Samsung and apple, bare in mind though that Apple and samsung sell lots of other devices besides phones, htc do not. A fresh approach needs to happen in terms of marketing, and a thoroughly tested flagship with every angle covered, plus I don't think it's necessary for them to release several phones per year. A flag ship and a budget phone would suffice, allowing them to optimise the devices properly. Having an E an E+ an m9 and an m9+ with desires popping up all over the place for me is far too much.
Time will tell, but I don't think they're down and out.
This is my sixth HTC phone and still happy with it. Sad though they can't keep up with the telecom market nowadays.. I would say HTC ain't dead, but it had its better days. Hopefully they strike back with a stunning 2016 flagship. They really deserve a better position or either everybody's attention like last year with the m8 in my opinion
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