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nexus 7 with ics and no apps

Okay so I've tried searching all over the place for this but can't find anyone with the same trouble I'm having.
The problem is my nexus 7 has basically everything missing, every google app isn't there, play store, gmail, you tube etc. all missing.
There was no sign up process when i booted up, and it's running ics version 4.0.3. Instead of jelly bean.
The only thing i can do is browse Web pages.
There also a tab in settings called developer options.
Any ideas? I'm wondering if i got a developer version by mistake?
i'm basically missing everything and can't do much at all with it.
Thanks, Matt

Strange maybe they sent you a test device on accident. I'd just flash the stock software that Google released.
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Mattuhh said:
Okay so I've tried searching all over the place for this but can't find anyone with the same trouble I'm having.
The problem is my nexus 7 has basically everything missing, every google app isn't there, play store, gmail, you tube etc. all missing.
There was no sign up process when i booted up, and it's running ics version 4.0.3. Instead of jelly bean.
The only thing i can do is browse Web pages.
There also a tab in settings called developer options.
Any ideas? I'm wondering if i got a developer version by mistake?
i'm basically missing everything and can't do much at all with it.
Thanks, Matt
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They might have shipped a pre-production model by mistake, or something similar.
If you're used to rooting Android, you can grab the stock images here: http://goo.gl/p0W2s. Otherwise, just bring it to wherever you bought it and get a replacement.

There are factory images for the device available from Google that can return you to a shipping Jelly Bean build. See here:
https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images
It's a fairly simple process, but it does require some basic setup on your desktop computer. You'll need the ability to use fastboot. If you're not up for that the easiest thing to do would be to just exchange the unit.
Edit - identical advice as above. Great minds think alike

Thanks for the replies, I'll have to try and flash the firmware when I get home tomorrow.
I'll let you know if I bork it up

Wonder if there's any hardware difference between this and the retail versions, could be worth something.
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jabsys said:
Wonder if there's any hardware difference between this and the retail versions, could be worth something.
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That would be nice if it was but I'm guessing hardware wise is probably identical, not sure how I'd check to be honest

We'll I'm having no luck fixing this little problem at the moment.
I've tried using the Nexus Root Toolkit v1.5 but due to having ics I can't seem to get it to work, I am close to giving up trying haha.
here's a few screen captures, anyone's devices have anything different?
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Mattuhh said:
We'll I'm having no luck fixing this little problem at the moment.
I've tried using the Nexus Root Toolkit v1.5 but due to having ics I can't seem to get it to work, I am close to giving up trying haha.
here's a few screen captures, anyone's devices have anything different?
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You don't need root, you just need to use fastboot. Are you on Windows, Mac, Linux?

bedoig said:
You don't need root, you just need to use fastboot. Are you on Windows, Mac, Linux?
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that's the bit I'm having trouble with, Im on windows 7 64bit

Mattuhh said:
that's the bit I'm having trouble with, Im on windows 7 64bit
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Really just return it. That's the strangest screw-up I've seen in a while. Unless time is a factor, exchange it. There may be issues with the hardware in a test device, so I would just play it safe (even though fastboot is super easy and fast). And, I'm guessing this is your first Android device, so please don't let this ruin your experience.

ICS runs in full tablet mode on the nexus 7? And somehow doesn't cut off words in the settings menu like the tablet mode hacks for JB?
That's either interesting or fishy
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dump the rom on there and post it im interested in giving it a once over, here is a how to http://androidforums.com/a75-all-th...t-way-rom-dump-rom-dump-method-any-phone.html

Are all Nexus 7s model number "me370t"? If not, then you have the MeMO 370T firmware, which was the base for Nexus 7.

Sell it and buy a new one lol

The developer options is nothing special... Thats been there since ICS. It's supposed to be there.
But I've seen a few other reports around here that also have that Asus firmware loaded on them. Not sure if they were able to get the stock loaded onto it, or if they swapped out for another one.
Let me guess, you had a pretty tree set as your background image on first boot up?

This kinda sucks for you but I think its really cool at the same time haha. Its cool how it says me370t for the model since the n7 is basically the same device minus a stylus built in
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before you take that back let the devs get a dump of that image it could potentially have something interesting in the software of firmware.

Eric_Eric_Eric said:
Really just return it. That's the strangest screw-up I've seen in a while. Unless time is a factor, exchange it. There may be issues with the hardware in a test device, so I would just play it safe (even though fastboot is super easy and fast). And, I'm guessing this is your first Android device, so please don't let this ruin your experience.
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Yeah I am thinking that I'm going to have too, and it's my third Android device, I've got an SGS that's rooted with a custom rom, a Galaxy Note and now this tablet. I've never had problems with messing with software on a device before, but for some reason fastboot just wont play ball on this device
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ICS runs in full tablet mode on the nexus 7? And somehow doesn't cut off words in the settings menu like the tablet mode hacks for JB?
That's either interesting or fishy
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I don't know what you're talking about as this is the first tablet I've ever owned but I think fishy or interesting isn't the word I would use, annoying as hell more like lol
aaronpoweruser said:
dump the rom on there and post it im interested in giving it a once over, here is a how to http://androidforums.com/a75-all-th...t-way-rom-dump-rom-dump-method-any-phone.html
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Haha okay I will do my best, but I'm not particularly good at Android tinkering
zivan56 said:
Are all Nexus 7s model number "me370t"? If not, then you have the MeMO 370T firmware, which was the base for Nexus 7.
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I haven't got a clue to be honest, I was assuming that was what they all were lol
tech_abbz said:
Sell it and buy a new one lol
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Probably going to have too >.<
regalpimpin said:
The developer options is nothing special... Thats been there since ICS. It's supposed to be there.
But I've seen a few other reports around here that also have that Asus firmware loaded on them. Not sure if they were able to get the stock loaded onto it, or if they swapped out for another one.
Let me guess, you had a pretty tree set as your background image on first boot up?
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you mean like this? lol
hic9582 said:
This kinda sucks for you but I think its really cool at the same time haha. Its cool how it says me370t for the model since the n7 is basically the same device minus a stylus built in
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yeah it's just my luck to be honest lol
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before you take that back let the devs get a dump of that image it could potentially have something interesting in the software of firmware.
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Yeah I will give it a go one day this week, I've had enough of messing with it trying to make it work for now, it's doing my head in haha

I agree, you should (must) dump the ROM and put it up for devs to look at. It's a shame you had your nexus experience marred by thus, but our devs can surely find some interesting things in the ICS build(ironically, this us how the touchpad got android, someone got one that shipped with GB, and the community was lucky enough to get to him before he wiped it).

No Google Wallet App?

Anyone know why Google removed Wallet for the (2nd Gen) Nexus 7? It existed on all other Nexus devices since the Galaxy Nexus. Even my Nexus 10 has it...

KMyers said:
Anyone know why Google removed Wallet for the (2nd Gen) Nexus 7? It existed on all other Nexus devices since the Galaxy Nexus. Even my Nexus 10 has it...
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It's not compatible with 4.3 yet. It happens all the time when new builds come out. It'll be back.
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arcanexvi said:
It's not compatible with 4.3 yet. It happens all the time when new builds come out. It'll be back.
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It seems to work on my First Gen Nexus 7 (running 4.3). I used it this morning to buy a coffee.

KMyers said:
It seems to work on my First Gen Nexus 7 (running 4.3). I used it this morning to buy a coffee.
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It's probably not tested yet
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arcanexvi said:
It's probably not tested yet
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PEOPLE ! Remember, this things not even officially launched by Google yet!!!

kpa2727 said:
PEOPLE ! Remember, this things not even officially launched by Google yet!!!
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Which is why I said just wait it'll be back.
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Just side load it. Its how I get it to work half the time anyway.
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player911 said:
Just side load it. Its how I get it to work half the time anyway.
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Didn't work for me
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Well... its official... The 2nd Generation Nexus 7 DOES NOT have a Secure Element so Google Wallet will NEVER work on it.
I do understand that Wallet was not the most widely used tool but for those who have become reliant on Wallet, this news sucks.
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Wallet is NOT compatible with and NOT GOING TO BE COMPATIBLE with the Nexus 7 2013 because it is lacking some secure element.
Director of Product Management for Google Wallet Peter Hazlehurst confirmed it to Android Police. http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...ible-with-the-2013-nexus-7/#comment-978606008

LordLugard said:
Wallet is NOT compatible with and NOT GOING TO BE COMPATIBLE with the Nexus 7 2013 because it is lacking some secure element.
Director of Product Management for Google Wallet Peter Hazlehurst confirmed it to Android Police. http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...ible-with-the-2013-nexus-7/#comment-978606008
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yet it works with the sprint htc one. so this is a bit fishy since other than the antennas (gsm, cdma) i am pretty sure all htc one are the same hardware across the board

NyPlaya513 said:
yet it works with the sprint htc one. so this is a bit fishy since other than the antennas (gsm, cdma) i am pretty sure all htc one are the same hardware across the board
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Well the post specifically stated the Google Edition of the HTC One, which that plus the capability of LTE for the new N7 leads me to believe this was not Google's choice. This sounds like a slam to the face from the US carriers to force ISIS in order to use the devices on their networks. Why else would this feature not exist in a newly capable LTE device when it was present in the previous generation device?
Man I hate the US cellular companies. Forcing their agendas and profits on device manufacturers.
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RCDuke said:
Well the post specifically stated the Google Edition of the HTC One, which that plus the capability of LTE for the new N7 leads me to believe this was not Google's choice. This sounds like a slam to the face from the US carriers to force ISIS in order to use the devices on their networks. Why else would this feature not exist in a newly capable LTE device when it was present in the previous generation device?
Man I hate the US cellular companies. Forcing their agendas and profits on device manufacturers.
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see i would go with that thought but for all of us with the wifi model that would mean we are out of luck completly, not having an option for a sim at all.....so idk

NyPlaya513 said:
yet it works with the sprint htc one. so this is a bit fishy since other than the antennas (gsm, cdma) i am pretty sure all htc one are the same hardware across the board
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Nothing fishy about anything. Whether you're "pretty sure" about anything is not the point. I'd rather take the word of the Director of Product Management. And besides the reason being given is that the Nexus 7 2013 is missing a secure element, which might have been omitted due to a myriad of reasons (cost, maybe?). We wait and see if more info develops.

Delete
Dupe.

I remember reading recently about a compromise of the secure element chip used in the vast majority of commercial electronics and how this was bad because there was essentially only one vendor. I'll see if I can find the link when I get home.
Maybe this had something to do with the decision? Or maybe someone decided in their infinite wisdom that a 7" device is simply awkward to use to pay?
I use wallet on my N4 all the time but only once on my N7 (2012)...
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Isis SIM
So the N7v2 has NFC but no secure element. According to the press information for ISIS, the ISIS carrier SIMs include a secure element. So would it be possible to use ISIS on a N7v2?

TDBearCT said:
So the N7v2 has NFC but no secure element. According to the press information for ISIS, the ISIS carrier SIMs include a secure element. So would it be possible to use ISIS on a N7v2?
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you can install it, and if you have the option to change tap and pay settings, that means it will work. No option, then no, its not available.

Nexus 7 (2013) in the Philippines

Just thought of creating a thread for pinoys who own this great device. Also, post where to find it in your area, etc.
We now have an official Facebook group here:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/Nexus7.2013.PH/

Just as i was browsing the forum i came across this. Nice one IR. this is gonna be good news to Pinoy owners and the rest of the N7 fhd users

Pinoy here in hong kong. Got this from online hong kong shop cause this device isn't released here yet. Release na po ba satin to?
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jakelights said:
Pinoy here in hong kong. Got this from online hong kong shop cause this device isn't released here yet. Release na po ba satin to?
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There are already released units. As is common, grey market was the first to release followed by iTech and Datablitz although Datablitz is the only one right now that offers official Asus warranty among the brick-and-mortar stores. Grey market units are purportedly having official Asus warranty as well.
*Note, please don't forget to use English as this is an international forum even though this thread is specifically for discussion for the benefit of Filipinos, it still is open to people of other nationalities who might be staying in the Philippines and need local information.

+ 1 here a friend bought it for me from game stop..
Still running stock 32 gb
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I'm getting mine next week but I am extremely hesitant because of all the reported out of the box issues. Multi - touch and GPS issues are software related right? What about wifi issues? Random reboot issues?
I owned the original n7 and it was horrible! It was lagging everywhere plus it had weak wifi reception.
Does the n7 2013 have international warranty and will asus philippines honor it?

ordered from B&H in nyc, shipped to cali, then a relative will be bringing it over here next week. $269 no tax, free shipping. great deal i just hope I got one that works flawlessly!

Wifi multi touch and gps is working fine..my concern is about random reboot..been experiencing it since out of the box aug.15..i have tried safeboot it doesnt help..i also receive an update but hesistant to install it coz some users reported after install they start to suffer issues on multi touch..im still on jwr66n...by the way it been 4 days now with no reboots after i factory reset..after initial reboot i set do not auto update at playstore settings..i manually update you tube app coz its kinda cool.
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Wifi multi touch and gps is working fine..my concern is about random reboot..been experiencing it since out of the box aug.15..i have tried safeboot it doesnt help..i also receive an update but hesistant to install it coz some users reported after install they start to suffer issues on multi touch..im still on jwr66n...by the way it been 4 days now with no reboots after i factory reset..after initial reboot i set do not auto update at playstore settings..i manually update you tube app coz its kinda cool.
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By the way i love this device so fast and smooth...and the screen resolution is awesome..will be unlocking and rooting it soon..have to try some custom rom
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kingofthebraves said:
I'm getting mine next week but I am extremely hesitant because of all the reported out of the box issues. Multi - touch and GPS issues are software related right? What about wifi issues? Random reboot issues?
I owned the original n7 and it was horrible! It was lagging everywhere plus it had weak wifi reception.
Does the n7 2013 have international warranty and will asus philippines honor it?
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The N7 2013 should address the weakness of the previous N7 since it's now using a Qualcomm processor which, in my opinion, is better than Tegra. (Tegra only shines in the GPU department since that's what NVidia does ) As for the issues, when I was still on stock I didn't experience any of those and I'm one of those people who don't worry about things like that unless it happens to me. It's just that people who have problems will usually post it online while people who don't won't even bother mentioning it which is why you'll find more problems being reported than those that have no issue.
As for the random reboot issue, do you know how to get kmsgs? If you do, can you pastebin it and message me the link since I want to know also if it's a hardware or software issue.
As for the warranty, that's what I'm not sure about. I heard from someone that ASUS Philippines will be honoring the N7 2013's international warranty but don't quote me on that one.
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Wifi multi touch and gps is working fine..my concern is about random reboot..been experiencing it since out of the box aug.15..i have tried safeboot it doesnt help..i also receive an update but hesistant to install it coz some users reported after install they start to suffer issues on multi touch..im still on jwr66n...by the way it been 4 days now with no reboots after i factory reset..after initial reboot i set do not auto update at playstore settings..i manually update you tube app coz its kinda cool.
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By the way i love this device so fast and smooth...and the screen resolution is awesome..will be unlocking and rooting it soon..have to try some custom rom
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Refer to my comment above. Just trust your device.

Haven't had a single reboot since I factory reset 4 days ago
Can I still get kmsgs from terminal emulator of my last reboot?
I'm new about this thing but willing to learn...
And about trusting my device..do you mean I should install my OTA.
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and2nckiko said:
Haven't had a single reboot since I factory reset 4 days ago
Can I still get kmsgs from terminal emulator of my last reboot?
I'm new about this thing but willing to learn...
And about trusting my device..do you mean I should install my OTA.
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If you factory reset and hasn't experienced the reboot, don't worry about getting the kmsg. Might just be an app conflict or something. Also, you should install the OTA then perform a factory reset. I only trust OTAs after a factory reset. Too many problems come from OTAs performing an improper upgrade of the currently installed apps' data. If you encounter problems with it after the OTA and factory reset, then time to claim warranty as your device just betrayed you. Joking aside though, if you encounter problems after the OTA, it's better to claim warranty after so you can get a better replacement now rather than having to upgrade to the KitKat version in a few months and then having errors then.

I really like to install the update..but again i already installed tons of app,being lazy to install those again..just give me 1 reboot then will reset again to factory and install the ota..pwede b mag tagalog nose bleed nko lol
Thanks
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and2nckiko said:
I really like to install the update..but again i already installed tons of app,being lazy to install those again..just give me 1 reboot then will reset again to factory and install the ota..pwede b mag tagalog nose bleed nko lol
Thanks
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Just use Google Translate if you're having difficulty. This is an international forum so it's frowned upon to speak in a local language. Also, it's a rule and might get you reprimanded if you're reported to a moderator or a moderator just happens to be browsing this thread. If you experience a reboot or any problem, do a factory reset. After, if you still experience it, claim warranty since I would reason that that's already a hardware problem. Also forward me the last_kmsg if you can. If you're not familiar, just Google it as there are plenty of guides out there and I'm not too keen in replicating what I consider an already extremely redundant information. :silly:

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If you factory reset and hasn't experienced the reboot, don't worry about getting the kmsg. Might just be an app conflict or something. Also, you should install the OTA then perform a factory reset. I only trust OTAs after a factory reset. Too many problems come from OTAs performing an improper upgrade of the currently installed apps' data. If you encounter problems with it after the OTA and factory reset, then time to claim warranty as your device just betrayed you. Joking aside though, if you encounter problems after the OTA, it's better to claim warranty after so you can get a better replacement now rather than having to upgrade to the KitKat version in a few months and then having errors then.
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So you are conceding that it is hardware related? I wish they charged an extra 50 dollars and made better quality control My previous experience with my first nexus was utterly disappointing. I really hope I don't get a lemon this time around.
Is the wifi issue really there or grossly exaggerated?

kingofthebraves said:
So you are conceding that it is hardware related? I wish they charged an extra 50 dollars and made better quality control My previous experience with my first nexus was utterly disappointing. I really hope I don't get a lemon this time around.
Is the wifi issue really there or grossly exaggerated?
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The reboot thing could be hardware related. The others could also be hardware related but, from what I've read so far, it could just be fixed through software. I'm more concerned that the reboot could be memory related so it would be very difficult to address via software.
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Got mine from itech wifi only/32gb

Hi guys! Just want to ask if anyone knows where can I buy a case for the 2nd gen nexus 7 in the Philippines? Thanks in advance.
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Currently waiting for my nexus 7 lte.
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I just bought the google nexus 7-ll book cover 7.0 for 13$ lol
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glad to see fellow pinoys here in the nexus 7 fhd thread...im planning to get one myself (can help not to notice those issues though)...kudos to you iR for starting our own thread!
how's the development support so far? anyone here running mod already?

Latest Facebook app permissions!!?

Have you seen the latest apps permissions which they're quoting on the play store as 'bug fixes'
I've uninstalled and gone back to version 3.8!!
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Download files without notification
Change network connectivity
Disconnect wifi
Send emails without user knowing!
Read confidential information
Read text messages?!
Call numbers that may cost money
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Install xprivacy.
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coorsleftfield said:
Install xprivacy.
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Will it work on ART?
I think it's just ridiculous that Facebook developers think asking for thanks much permission just for a social network app is ok/acceptable!!
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Heh... This reminds me of that South Park episode. Apple and the human centipede.

I used to never pay attention to permissions...but after seeing this it is ridiculous. I'm installing xprivacy as we speak. But imagine all the data that they get from people who don't root or use privacy tools on their phones??
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klin1344 said:
I used to never pay attention to permissions...but after seeing this it is ridiculous. I'm installing xprivacy as we speak. But imagine all the data that they get from people who don't root or use privacy tools on their phones??
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if u ever get ur identity stolen by them u could easily sue them..i dont think a multimillion dollar company would want to go bankrupt for committing frauds

they are making multi million from users data... so you have to take care of your own privacy
installing xprivacy now ... thanks to those who suggested this app

Hrmmm, so let me get this straight...
**Runs automatically at startup
**Can open internet connectivity at will without user consent
**Can download files at will without user consent
...isn't that malware (by definition)?
I have mandated that my wife uninstall that bloated POS FB app since a few months ago when the permissions started getting bad... but this update takes the cake! I'm telling everyone I know to just use FB through a web browser!
Thanks OP

I'm going to give tinfoil a try.
It is essentially a "pretty wrapper" as the dev puts it for the facebook mobile site. Thanks for the post OP, I hadn't thought about what permissions the FB app was using with the latest update, I need to pay more attention.

If anyone wants the Facebook app before the latest (the one without all the permissions) its here - https://mega.co.nz/#!50l2mArA!cfLEwuLOT7-72Cknq3M4hAJtHAMWXxqK7P0X-tiBEDs
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Is friendcaster okay to use?
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Tin foil hats anyone?
Seriously, fair enough if you want to worry about this but I personally couldn't give a toss. I have an unlimited data plan so if it wants to turn my WiFi off (which it NEVER has) then go for it. If they want to read my SMS, go right ahead seeing I get about one a week!
If you're not happy about it, don't use Facebook at all

Xprivacy doesn't work on ART
It's the sending emails without user knowing that seems questionable more than anything else to me
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Ben36 said:
Xprivacy doesn't work on ART
It's the sending emails without user knowing that seems questionable more than anything else to me
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I can say with 100% certainty that it has not sent an email to anyone from my address to date cause if it did I'd have a copy on my laptop when Outlook downloads my emails

It probably hasn't to anyone to be fair but why request those ridiculous permissions
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EddyOS said:
I can say with 100% certainty that it has not sent an email to anyone from my address to date cause if it did I'd have a copy on my laptop when Outlook downloads my emails
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Then why is the permission there? If it does not use it why did they added it there?
And when they didnt use the permission till now it doesnt mean they will not use it in the future.

The only way is not xprivacy...
Take care of your data and do not install crappy apps... If all users accept such behaviour, there won't be changes... You are responsible for your data....
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Mikulec said:
Then why is the permission there? If it does not use it why did they added it there?
And when they didnt use the permission till now it doesnt mean they will not use it in the future.
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I don't know and, to be honest, don't really care. My data is everywhere these days and unless it affects me monetarily I'm not concerned. If I was concerned I wouldn't have smartphone at all

Mikulec said:
Then why is the permission there? If it does not use it why did they added it there?
And when they didnt use the permission till now it doesnt mean they will not use it in the future.
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Exactly.... 5 updates down the line they won't need to ask permission as you already granted it and forgot about it by then
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Unlocked BL's Future

Looks like S5 will have locked bootloader on T-Mobile..
So that means people on AT&T are screwed because
1. No Dev edition
2. Can't Use T-Mobile edition on AT&T anymore.
Only Sprint S5 will have unlocked bootloader.
In a sense this a good thing because it will bring more devs to the scene from T-Mobile's section and we can finally crack this open.
Source: https://twitter.com/Anthony_J_Fox/status/446759896017420288

I give up on Samsung. My next phone is not Samsung. Im sick of these damn locked bootloaders.

I hear you. Its the carriers that are being dicks. Looks likes Safestrap is going to be mainstream @Hashcode got long hours ahead of him

The only way we can make them listen is not to buy them. Buy an international unlocked edition. But the majority of people have no interest in rooting and roming. I don't blame them due to warranty claims for bricked devices, but they should have something like htc dev where you unlock it you own it unless it's something unrelated to rooting. That is acceptable to me.
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Walter.White said:
I hear you. Its the carriers that are being dicks. Looks likes Safestrap is going to be mainstream @Hashcode got long hours ahead of him
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Safestrap is fine for me. It's a custom recovery as far as I'm concerned. I don't use the extra rom slots, just the stock one so it works for me the same as having an unlocked bootloader. I never usually flashed too many kernels always so that doesn't bother me. We can do backups restores and flash roms. What more could you want?
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Skizzy034 said:
Safestrap is fine for me. It's a custom recovery as far as I'm concerned. I don't use the extra rom slots, just the stock one so it works for me the same as having an unlocked bootloader. I never usually flashed too many kernels always so that doesn't bother me. We can do backups restores and flash roms. What more could you want?
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Battery optimized kernels. (For instance look at teamsek's N3 kernel. ~10 hours of screen on time. On asop, albeit).

Don't just blame att. Blame Samsung for allowing it to happen.
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Intub8 said:
Don't just blame att. Blame Samsung for allowing it to happen.
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Either way it's us who pay the price.

Well I wouldn't even have rooted or installed a custom rom had they released a phone with a broken GPS that they couldn't or wouldn't fix. Ridiculous. Custom rom fixed it.
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Yeah, sucks big time. I guess we need to change from Samsung to another brand, my Note 3 is a beautiful and powerful device the only thing that is keeping the leash is the locked bootloader. I'm considering to go with a Nexus or Sony smartphone, I love how I'm able to do whatever I want with my Nexus 7 2013.

If its similar to the S4, you could also look into the Canadian carriers' S5 and Note 3/4. The i337m (m for Canada and some Latin countries) had an unlocked bootloader. It was the same exact device as AT&T's just with an unlocked bootloader and ever SLOWER official ROM updates.

juanyunis said:
Yeah, sucks big time. I guess we need to change from Samsung to another brand, my Note 3 is a beautiful and powerful device the only thing that is keeping the leash is the locked bootloader. I'm considering to go with a Nexus or Sony smartphone, I love how I'm able to do whatever I want with my Nexus 7 2013.
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Just bought a Nexus 7 2013, unlocked the bootloader loader and rooted, just because! Nexus will need to put out a phone that's at least 5.5". When they do I'm on it! And it could have a crappy camera!
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Yeah, what i love about my note 3 and even my old S4 was the ability to use the ir emitter to control my tv, etc. and well some other cool features like the airview, the s-note, etc.
They should make a dev edition of the phone with multi-carrier support like a (T-mobile/ATT GSM) or a (Verizon/Sprint CDMA) version. In that way they keep the people and devs happy.

I done with Samsung had a cappy,infuse,s3,now n3. I have been looking for a new device for a few months, can not stand the locked bootloader crap.
Nexus devices need bigger screens and better cameras if they fix that I would be happy as a clam.
Till then I will wait for something with a nice screen,camera, and unlocked BL!!!!!!

RUNNERX said:
I done with Samsung had a cappy,infuse,s3,now n3. I have been looking for a new device for a few months, can not stand the locked bootloader crap.
Nexus devices need bigger screens and better cameras if they fix that I would be happy as a clam.
Till then I will wait for something with a nice screen,camera, and unlocked BL!!!!!!
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I wish Carriers here in US were selling Sony's flagship devices.
And also Nokia shoot themselves in foot by going with WP.... If they would've went with Android, they could've been the biggest rival for sammy.

Really what difference does an unlocked boot loader make? I'll gladly trade camera, screen, everything if it means no flashing crap AOKP Roms.
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joe3681 said:
Really what difference does an unlocked boot loader make? I'll gladly trade camera, screen, everything if it means no flashing crap AOKP Roms.
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Allows better optimized kernels (For instance here are some pics from N3 running temasek's kernel)
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I don't think the carriers care about XDAers. We are such a small portion of the end users, but bricked devices from this forum are probably responsible for a significant portion of the returns.
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sndtubes said:
Well I wouldn't even have rooted or installed a custom rom had they released a phone with a broken GPS that they couldn't or wouldn't fix. Ridiculous. Custom rom fixed it.
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The rom absolutely fixed it? I read that some thought it could be a hardware problem.
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I'm alright with it, simply because I use my S pen. And the Samsung camera, other TW apps. If I wanted AOSP I'd get the nexus 5.
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Allows better optimized kernels (For instance here are some pics from N3 running temasek's kernel)
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Not too impressive, I've seen people here hit close to that on stock unrooted. I've gone 2.5 days with 8 hours screen time, so custom kernel doesn't seem to make that much of a difference here.
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