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So I ordered my 16gb Note 10.1 last week and went and picked it up yesterday afternoon. I opened the box at the store to check the "body" of the device to make sure it wasn't split along the sides and no odd creaking or anything. Everything looked good.
I get it home and discover that there's no S-Pen. It's not in the box, not in the back of the device, nowhere to be found.
The unit shipped directly from Samsung. I called the store and they said I could return it, and they'd order another one if I wanted or I could have my money back. The other option was that I could call Samsung directly and give them the low down and have them send me another S-Pen.
I chose to call Samsung and they apologized and said they'd send out an S-Pen right away. Sounds good, except that it's going to take 7 - 14 working days to arrive! Really?!?!?!
I specifically bought the Note 10.1 FOR the S-Pen and note taking capabilities. I am involved with multiple activities (my job included) that require me to take notes. This is a significant problem for me.
Yes, I know I can just buy a stylus and wait it out but it irritates me that the unit got shipped without one of the "selling-points" of the product. I understand they can't QA every single unit but come on, a CORE part of the device not being included? Really?!
Okay, I'm done ranting now.
I really like the unit and I'm sure I'll enjoy it, ONCE I get the S-Pen!
Buzz
You are missing the whole thing. lol it is all about the S-Pen.
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So I ordered my 16gb Note 10.1 last week and went and picked it up yesterday afternoon. I opened the box at the store to check the "body" of the device to make sure it wasn't split along the sides and no odd creaking or anything. Everything looked good.
I get it home and discover that there's no S-Pen. It's not in the box, not in the back of the device, nowhere to be found.
The unit shipped directly from Samsung. I called the store and they said I could return it, and they'd order another one if I wanted or I could have my money back. The other option was that I could call Samsung directly and give them the low down and have them send me another S-Pen.
I chose to call Samsung and they apologized and said they'd send out an S-Pen right away. Sounds good, except that it's going to take 7 - 14 working days to arrive! Really?!?!?!
I specifically bought the Note 10.1 FOR the S-Pen and note taking capabilities. I am involved with multiple activities (my job included) that require me to take notes. This is a significant problem for me.
Yes, I know I can just buy a stylus and wait it out but it irritates me that the unit got shipped without one of the "selling-points" of the product. I understand they can't QA every single unit but come on, a CORE part of the device not being included? Really?!
Okay, I'm done ranting now.
I really like the unit and I'm sure I'll enjoy it, ONCE I get the S-Pen!
Buzz
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So I'm curious. If your job and activities require all this what we're you doing before you got your note? Under performing?
Not saying it's not messed up you didn't get a pen, but if you've been doing your all your job functions and activities for X time before you had a note I'm sure you'll survive another 5-7 days.
I got a note that when I pulled the pen out the little plastic tension piece inside the slot came out and then the pen would fall out if it was in the holder. Shoulda made Samsung ship it overnight.
Well THAT would irritate me too, since it´s not a 299.- $ device.
Even if they sell 20 million devices no single one with faults should pass QC.
I bought 1 SII, two SIII, 1 Note, 2 Note 10.1´s and they came all PERFECT, no broken seals, no creaking, no scratches, mechanically and by the hardware in perfect function and no faults by the software (never ever had one single firmware related crash or update probs out of the box with no single Sammy device)
In mobile electronics a defect rate of 5% or below is considered outstanding performance. The missing S-Pen is bad QC as it obviously shouldn't have shipped without it. But to put it in perspective, Samsung's sold 30MM SGS3's so it would be excellent if no more than 1.5MM had a defect. Someone who got one of the 1.5MM probably would disagree.
Is it a HUGE deal? No. Is it going to prevent me from doing my job? No. I can use pen & paper like I've been doing or I can go buy a 3rd party stylus. It's more of a convenience thing AND the fact that it SHOULD have been packaged with it. By my counting on / planning on / looking forward to being able to use the device, it just made it more of an irritation.
I completely agree that 5% being "jacked up" (hardware, software, defects, missing parts, etc) is acceptable. It would have just been better if someone else experienced the 5%.
As for Samsung products in general, never had an issue with them before. Home theater equipment, cell phones, etc.
Sorry, you're within the 5%.
The opinion that Samsung is solid in all their mobile devices is not correct at all. I also have a Samsung 7 Series slate and this thing came with its screen lifted big time as soon as I took it from the box. Getting it fixed by them was a [email protected], and this was not an isolated case. If you go to TabletPCReview.com, you'll notice that around 35% of all these slates came with the screen defected. I was in that big margin.
Being inside an even smaller margin should feel really crappy...
Now, for a solution, these tablets work with any WACOM pen, so if you have one for any other tablet or convertible then that should work flawlessly. It will no feel as nice as the one that comes with the tablet (as this one has a rubber tip and all others I know come with a hard one) but it should work the same way.
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Now, for a solution, these tablets work with any WACOM pen
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There's another solution. Many Best Buy stores stock the replacment pen. You can buy one there and keep it as a spare or return it when your missing one arrives.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Samsung...p03-14?id=1218734648372&skuId=6329995&st=note 10.1 stylus&cp=1&lp=1
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Now, for a solution, these tablets work with any WACOM pen, so if you have one for any other tablet or convertible then that should work flawlessly. It will no feel as nice as the one that comes with the tablet (as this one has a rubber tip and all others I know come with a hard one) but it should work the same way.
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That is incorrect. There may be some Wacom pens which work with the GNote 10.1 but not all. I have an Intuos 3 and the pen for it will not work on my GNote 10.1 it has no effect what so ever. With that said you can use your finger. It is surprising how presice you can be on the GNote 10.1 with your finger.
Yeah, if there was a big hole on the bottom right of my tablet where the s-pen is stored, I'd be annoyed too.
sadly, it's all academic now... my kayscase flip case really doesn't allow me to get to it, muchless see it.
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That is incorrect. There may be some Wacom pens which work with the GNote 10.1 but not all. I have an Intuos 3 and the pen for it will not work on my GNote 10.1 it has no effect what so ever. With that said you can use your finger. It is surprising how presice you can be on the GNote 10.1 with your finger.
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I've heard indeed of some intuos and bamboo series pens not working on WACOM enabled screens. But I was referring to those that come with other tablets or convertible PCs. I've heard around that the intuos 5 pens work. I have a lil babmoo touch tablet and it doesn't work at all too.
In my last two weeks of ownership I've probably only used the pen less than 10 minutes and still love the tablet!
troed said:
well that would irritate me too, since it´s not a 299.- $ device.
Even if they sell 20 million devices no single one with faults should pass qc.
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what faults?
troed said:
Even if they sell 20 million devices no single one with faults should pass QC.
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Get a grip. That doesn't exist for any product manufactured anywhere.
Hi guys,
as most of you here, I`m planing on buying THE ONE as soon as it gets to the stores in our country.
Because of that I started checking and reading the general ONE forum almost 15 times a day . One of the most important things for me, when I buy a phone and give like 600+ euro, is for the phone to be as perfect as possible at least the first couple of months.
That`s why I decided to make this thread as a guide that explains the main things you should watch for when buying the phone from your store !
1. Take a look at all sides of the phone and see if there are any GAPS or OVERHANGS, cause its a "unibody" design after all. Here are some pictures and link to original thread, where this problem is discussed:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-...AAAAAAFc/34GVNAI3mKc/s661/20130319_152241.jpg - GAP
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/djbenny1/DSCF8356_zps0597f759.jpg - OVERHANG
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2197732 - Original thread
2. See also if there aren't any gaps near the volume rocker, and if it doesn't stick while you press it (incl. the power button). I remember that one member here had a similar problem, but cannot find the OP.
3. After you power on the phone try to connect to internet (all major stores have free wifi) and download a Dead Pixel Test app from the store. Then check for any dead pixels on that gorgeous screen !
4. I bought a nexus 7 tablet some months ago and got a replacement, because of a bad headphone jack design. What that leads to is a cracking sound from headphones, when you just plug them and navigate through menus or slide through main screens, but don't listen to music or watching video. Many devices suffer from a problem like that, so I test that always in the store, either with the pair of headphones in the box, or with my own ones. In many cases that means poor shielding and can affect more parts in the phone itself.
5. Camera firmware (latest batch) : According to a camera test published here - http://www.hardwarezone.com.sg/review-htc-ones-camera-tested , pre-production units had some kind of a hardware issue and that's why many photos taken with the device seemed blurry on the edges.
So it's really good to know, how can we check if the unit we are buying is from the latest batch or not ... will update this when I have more info.
OP can be found here : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2206222
6. Phone display: this is where I`m a bit confused really. Here is the thread, where I read that the ONE can have different display characteristics in terms or color temperature, contrast and brightness.
Would be very happy if someone can explain that in details and suggest if this is something we must watch for, before buying our unit.
Original thread can be found here : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2202869
That covers the main things that I`m aware of till the moment. If you have any more suggestions, I would be happy to update the OP.
Also some more clarifications about 5. and 6. would be great :cyclops:
And one really important question which I would like to ask and don`t want to make another thread for : how does the heat affect the casing and is it a problem if the device gets too hot (cause I love to use it for gaming sometimes). In other words: Could a GAP or OVERHANG occur after some usage, because of the phone reaching high temperature?
Here you can see a thread, where guy speaks about a 44,4°C device temperature : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2207645
UPDATE :
5. According to https://plus.google.com/+PhilNickinson/posts/BkaNVpcNySN it seems like its a software update after all, and not a hardware one ...
And here is a good guide on how to check if your phone is from a later batch or not : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2209277
Great write up. Will definitely use this guide.
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Can you really even see a dead pixel on this screen? I have one on my EVO 4G LTE and I can only see it if I use the Dead Pixel Test app.
You can once you've noticed the bloody thing. It taunts you. Although on this screen, probably not so noticeable unless it's against a plane background. Annoying all the same.
Surely you can find something that you can convince yourself is a flaw that will make you miserably unhappy with your new One. Then sell it to me...
If the casing heats up so much it distorts, you probably want to put it down. That'll be well in excess of 400°C, no matter what the alloy.
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Surely you can find something that you can convince yourself is a flaw that will make you miserably unhappy with your new One. Then sell it to me...
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When you pay a lot of money for a device, you expect it to be perfect, right ?
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When you pay a lot of money for a device, you expect it to be perfect, right ?
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Yes, but a line does need to drawn...
There will always be a gap, it's not like atoms are physically connected together, even in a solid like metal.
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Yes, but a line does need to drawn...
There will always be a gap, it's not like atoms are physically connected together, even in a solid like metal.
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You pay 500 odd quid, or what ever, for a device that's been marketed for its build quality and craft....
If you find a flaw, you should have a replacement.
Although I have pre-ordered a HTC One, I'm hoping i get some sort of super batch. Slightly worried, for a phone thats not even out yet, there seems to be many issues.
As long as mine comes with no overlap or gaps and works perfectly, I'm happy.
Unfortunately these items are mass produced and the original batches more than likely will have some flaws in them, mostly minor, but like others have mentioned. You pay this much for a phone, you want it to be perfect.
Awesome write up OP!
Sent from a galaxy far away!
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6. Phone display: this is where I`m a bit confused really. Here is the thread, where I read that the ONE can have different display characteristics in terms or color temperature, contrast and brightness.
Would be very happy if someone can explain that in details and suggest if this is something we must watch for, before buying our unit.
Original thread can be found here : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2202869
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We are still clarifying in the thread whether there is a higher contrast version of the screen and what its color temperature is. Just stay tuned. I keep the first post updated with the latest information.
How do I check if its first batch or not?
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How do I check if its first batch or not?
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I think you should read this thread here : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2209277
I already got 2 S4 coming, but question is, I keep reading around in different threads that maybe the Note 2 is a better device than the S4, a few people who've already got their S4 are saying that the S4 does not compare to the Note 2, my wife wanted the note 2, and I talked her out of it....man I am in deep shi$ if she gets wind of any of this....and she reads a few areas here in xda...I smell the dog house coming
Throw out a few opinions...PLEASE! save me
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I already got 2 S4 coming, but question is, I keep reading around in different threads that maybe the Note 2 is a better device than the S4, a few people who've already got their S4 are saying that the S4 does not compare to the Note 2, my wife wanted the note 2, and I talked her out of it....man I am in deep shi$ if she gets wind of any of this....and she reads a few areas here in xda...I smell the dog house coming
Throw out a few opinions...PLEASE! save me
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I have never used a S4 (I do own a Note 2) and based on specs alone the S4 wins (full hd display with almost twice the pixel density and dual quad core processors). Good news is, if your wife really wants a Note 2 you should be able to easily sell your S4, buy a Note 2 and pocket a few hundred bucks.
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I have never used a S4 (I do own a Note 2) and based on specs alone the S4 wins (full hd display with almost twice the pixel density and dual quad core processors). Good news is, if your wife really wants a Note 2 you should be able to easily sell your S4, buy a Note 2 and pocket a few hundred bucks.
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Thank you for that advice, spec wise is what I sold her on, but there a few people out there bashing the S4.
I am going to keep her out of the forums until she gets the S4 in her hand, she has a note 1 now.
My wife has a note 2 and the only thing to be envious about is battery life. After using the s4 for a week or two now, I'm always taken back on the screen quality of the note 2. It's no where near as good as the s4. Same goes for ergonomics, camera and so on. You made the right choice, don't listen to trolls and ask yourself, if the note 2 is so much better, why are their fan base posing in the s4 section?
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My wife has a note 2 and the only thing to be envious about is battery life. After using the s4 for a week or two now, I'm always taken back on the screen quality of the note 2. It's no where near as good as the s4. Same goes for ergonomics, camera and so on. You made the right choice, don't listen to trolls and ask yourself, if the note 2 is so much better, why are their fan base posing in the s4 section?
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Once the S4 gets some stable custom roms out with custom kernels I am sure the S4's battery life issues will be a non factor. I run Jedi Master 13 with Saberkernel 23 on my Note 2 and the speed and battery life of the rom blows the Note 2 stock rom out of the water. You are right, people are just trolling. Based on the S4s specs it is a superior phone.
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Thanks guys, I kinda knew the G4 had better graphics, on the battery side, the Note gets her some serious time. I think I made the right choice, seen a few posts where some of the G4 users are selling them off now. wow. Don't remember, but I think this issue came up when the G3 was released also. man, I can not wait till I have that phone.
thanks, much appreciated!!!!
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Thanks guys, I kinda knew the G4 had better graphics, on the battery side, the Note gets her some serious time. I think I made the right choice, seen a few posts where some of the G4 users are selling them off now. wow. Don't remember, but I think this issue came up when the G3 was released also. man, I can not wait till I have that phone.
thanks, much appreciated!!!!
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Really, only get the Note if you need the s-pen features and plan to actually, you know, take notes on the thing. Otherwise, go for the newest shiny.
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Really, only get the Note if you need the s-pen features and plan to actually, you know, take notes on the thing. Otherwise, go for the newest shiny.
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That's exactly what my wife and I discovered. She came from the LG Lollipop to the Note2, and she was ecstatic about this thing, even though she "hated touchscreen phones" (mostly due to her experiences a long time ago with the Motorola Backflip, and the HTC Pure ... I don't blame her). She loves the Note2 because of the huge screen and low DPI (yet the picture is very clear and sharp at 720p) - excellent for texting and navigating around. She has no problems with a touchscreen now! Oh, and the camera is pretty good on the Note2 as well, with a snappy shutter time and extras like slo-mo video and such.
When she saw my S4, she was actually somewhat jealous! We've been comparing the devices side-by-side for a couple weeks now, and we've determined that the S4 is overall a much better phone. The primary exclusion to this statement is that the Note2 has the S-Pen, which is a really, really nice feature - for those who really use it. She uses it rarely to doodle or take some notes when she doesn't feel like dealing with the onscreen keyboard, so it would not be a huge loss for her if it were gone.
The sacrifice of .5in of diagonal screen space is noticeable by comparison, but the 5" screen the S4 has will still outshine nearly any other smartphone - especially at 1080p.
Lastly, I will comment on the covers. We purchased the official Samsung flip cover for her device, primarily because it was too difficult to find a third-party cheap-knockoff that actually included the NFC antenna. They exist now, but they were hard to come by when we were shopping. At least the S4 doesn't include the NFC antenna as part of the battery cover. >_<
I purchased the S-View cover at the nearest corporate AT&T store (30mi away or so in the next town) because I wanted it on Day-One (I had my phone on Day-Negative-One, and I was eager to buy the silly cover). After shelling out $60, I drove home with the shiny S-View cover, and I once again made my wife jealous. While she'll admit that the S-View window is a tad gimmicky, she both finds it "really cool!" and actually kinda useful for every-day use.
So, just as burhanistan stated: if you have a great need for the awesome S-Pen that the Note2 provides, buy it. Otherwise, the S4 certainly competes to be the best phone ever created to-date (IMHO).
She has been reading this thread at work, the pen she said is a plus, I think I got her leaning toward the G4, you guys are helping a bunch. I like the idea of the earlier reply, sell the G4 if she is not happy, get her the note 2 and save some $$$.
Or just keep it, and pass it on to some devs to help out with the rom progress, that would be my contribution to the cause.
This seriously is helping, cause she is seeing it from other people who have the phone and have been using it already.
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That's exactly what my wife and I discovered. She came from the LG Lollipop to the Note2, and she was ecstatic about this thing, even though she "hated touchscreen phones" (mostly due to her experiences a long time ago with the Motorola Backflip, and the HTC Pure ... I don't blame her). She loves the Note2 because of the huge screen and low DPI (yet the picture is very clear and sharp at 720p) - excellent for texting and navigating around. She has no problems with a touchscreen now! Oh, and the camera is pretty good on the Note2 as well, with a snappy shutter time and extras like slo-mo video and such.
When she saw my S4, she was actually somewhat jealous! We've been comparing the devices side-by-side for a couple weeks now, and we've determined that the S4 is overall a much better phone. The primary exclusion to this statement is that the Note2 has the S-Pen, which is a really, really nice feature - for those who really use it. She uses it rarely to doodle or take some notes when she doesn't feel like dealing with the onscreen keyboard, so it would not be a huge loss for her if it were gone.
The sacrifice of .5in of diagonal screen space is noticeable by comparison, but the 5" screen the S4 has will still outshine nearly any other smartphone - especially at 1080p.
Lastly, I will comment on the covers. We purchased the official Samsung flip cover for her device, primarily because it was too difficult to find a third-party cheap-knockoff that actually included the NFC antenna. They exist now, but they were hard to come by when we were shopping. At least the S4 doesn't include the NFC antenna as part of the battery cover. >_<
I purchased the S-View cover at the nearest corporate AT&T store (30mi away or so in the next town) because I wanted it on Day-One (I had my phone on Day-Negative-One, and I was eager to buy the silly cover). After shelling out $60, I drove home with the shiny S-View cover, and I once again made my wife jealous. While she'll admit that the S-View window is a tad gimmicky, she both finds it "really cool!" and actually kinda useful for every-day use.
So, just as burhanistan stated: if you have a great need for the awesome S-Pen that the Note2 provides, buy it. Otherwise, the S4 certainly competes to be the best phone ever created to-date (IMHO).
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You have a pic or a link to the cover?
I had both but returned my S4 & switched back to my GN2 since I'm changing carriers. At first it was hard to get use to since I was so use to the GN2.
I rarely use the spen but the big screen & not having to charge every night with the GN2 is awesome.
I was getting about 20-22hrs w/ 5-7hrs screen time with my S4.
I do admit being able to use the phone with one hand is cool but typing was a little awkward since I'm so use to typing with 2 hands on my GN2.
Now that I'm back to my GN2, I'm not sure if I want to get the S4 when the 32gb for TMO comes out but knowing my habit of always wanting the latest gadgets, I'll probably do get it. Lol.
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You have a pic or a link to the cover?
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This YouTube video shows it in action, but I think it's French or something (dun car, not English). Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8mQOrk2DBg
Here' my experience with the S-View cover:
If you do not have a password/pattern/number lock on your lock screen (simply set to swipe-to-unlock), just opening the S-View cover will turn on and unlock the device. You open it, and it's ready-to-use immediately.
Closing the lid will lock the device for the most part, and for the next 10 seconds or so, it will show the time and notification icons (and battery/signal/etc) through the little window. After 10 seconds, the device shuts off. You can power it back on like this with the power button, but it doesn't unlock it until you open it again.
The window itself appears to be made of glass. It's fairly nice - I was half expecting it to be crappy plastic. If it's not glass, it's really nice plastic.
You can answer or decline incoming calls through the glass when it rings with a swipe of a little round icon one way or the other. Pretty neat, but if you have the touch sensitivity all the way down, you might have a slight trouble using this feature. I haven't tried it since the OTA update, so they may have improved that!
You can hang up an existing call in a similar fashion.
The flip cover itself needs some time to "break in". When you first put it on, it will not lay flat onto the glass of your phone without some convincing, or being held in place by your pocket. After enough use, or a day or two, it gets much better. Don't think the cover is defective from this, it's just too tight in the "hinge" at first, but will loosen up with use.
Occasionally, if I have the cover flipped backwards for long periods, it somewhat emulates the same effect as the above point. It will shy away from the screen for a brief while, and then return to normal. I suspect after several more weeks, this will go away entirely at this rate.
One thing that I really do like about this cover: Because it replaces the battery cover of your phone, it adds virtually no bulk to the phone. It is very slightly thicker, and I can tell you that I appreciate it for one reason: The normal battery cover is inset, such that the camera lens sticks out the furthest, and when placing the device on a flat surface, it rests on the edge of the camera lens. On the S-View flip cover, the new back sticks out just a hair past the camera lens, so it no longer rests on the camera anymore. I take a lot of pictures, so I like to keep my camera lens immaculate.
The glass window will get rather dirty, especially if you shove the phone against a greasy head. Not a big deal, just use a microfiber cloth once in a while and some screen cleaner to get it shiny again.
The normal covers have no window, and so when you open it all the way (flipped around backwards), you can't use the rear-facing camera! With the S-View cover, it lines up such that you can use the camera straight through the glass on the cover. A nice touch, really. Because I take a lot of close-up shots and other detailed pictures, I choose not to flip the cover all the way around, because sometimes the window is dirty. So I just flip it downwards or whatnot.
The flip cover, even when purchased through AT&T, does not have AT&T's logo on the back, like the normal battery cover. I like it that way better. Even better: the front shows "Galaxy S4" near the bottom, and makes it a lot easier to show that you have a really, really cool phone.
I hope this all helps if debating whether to drop $60 on the S-View cover or not. Generics are starting to become available, but I don't know anything about the quality, etc.
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RMXO said:
I had both but returned my S4 & switched back to my GN2 since I'm changing carriers. At first it was hard to get use to since I was so use to the GN2.
I rarely use the spen but the big screen & not having to charge every night with the GN2 is awesome.
I was getting about 20-22hrs w/ 5-7hrs screen time with my S4.
I do admit being able to use the phone with one hand is cool but typing was a little awkward since I'm so use to typing with 2 hands on my GN2.
Now that I'm back to my GN2, I'm not sure if I want to get the S4 when the 32gb for TMO comes out but knowing my habit of always wanting the latest gadgets, I'll probably do get it. Lol.
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I didn't mention battery at all, but you bring up a point. The Note2 has excellent battery life, there's no doubt about that. The S4 has "good" battery life in my experience, especially coming from the S2. People are saying that battery life has improved with the OTA update recently, but I haven't had a good chance to test that out. Freezing bloatware has really been a big help to increasing the battery life, regardless.
My S4 easily lasts the day, and can last two days with moderate/intermittent usage. I think the OTA update may have improved the battery life significantly, but I will have to test this out over the next couple days. Also, keeping it on Wi-Fi where available seems to be the best way to conserve battery life in my area.
Went from the note 2 to s4 pre update, ui fluidity was the only issue. I addressed it with nova launcher and the options in the developers setting, which made the ui very fast. Update addresses that issue and everything else on the s4 is better and my battery life is very comparable. I get 20+ hours with 4+ hours of screen time easily and I'm sure it will increase with roms and kernels.
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Went from the note 2 to s4 pre update, ui fluidity was the only issue. I addressed it with nova launcher and the options in the developers setting, which made the ui very fast. Update addresses that issue and everything else on the s4 is better and my battery life is very comparable. I get 20+ hours with 4+ hours of screen time easily and I'm sure it will increase with roms and kernels.
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Thanks, I needed this one....
I had the Note 2 for a week before I traded it for the S4. They are both awesome devices, but imo the S4 was the right choice for me. Much easier to carry it in your pocket. Battery life not as good, but that was expected. Cant go wrong either way. Go to the store and play with them both.
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I had the Note 2 for a week before I traded it for the S4. They are both awesome devices, but imo the S4 was the right choice for me. Much easier to carry it in your pocket. Battery life not as good, but that was expected. Cant go wrong either way. Go to the store and play with them both.
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funny you said that.. we just got back from the mall...saw them both....the wife agreed on the S4...so I am safe..for now....she will be ok when it arrives Monday. thanks...I showed her a few of the posts here...thanks to you all....very good imput.
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funny you said that.. we just got back from the mall...saw them both....the wife agreed on the S4...so I am safe..for now....she will be ok when it arrives Monday. thanks...I showed her a few of the posts here...thanks to you all....very good imput.
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She made a wise choice, I have a Note 2 and would gladly trade it for a S4. I don't even use my Spen, I got it last September because it had the best guts and it's a Samsung. Never buy a HTC. PITA software and very unforgiving. Buy Sammy, Odin is your friend. Enjoy your S4's!
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She made a wise choice, I have a Note 2 and would gladly trade it for a S4. I don't even use my Spen, I got it last September because it had the best guts and it's a Samsung. Never buy a HTC. PITA software and very unforgiving. Buy Sammy, Odin is your friend. Enjoy your S4's!
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I had a htc hd2...it was a nightmare..to flash roms...a win phone..dual boot crap..rock solid...hard to deal with...hehe i ask her..how much are you really use that pen..also the res on the s4 was SWEET...they had the perfect wallpaper on that demo...i showed her she said ok. so when she gets that new rom on it...she won't even mention the note. its on now.
as far as the G3...i love the damn thing..my son is keeping his...so i will be hanging around here for awhile still...sold 2 keeping 1...
Hi guys,
I'm a newbie to the world of Android, coming from several years of iPhone ownership. I can't say that I am convinced yet that Android is a better OS and I do find quite a lot of irritations that I never experienced with the iPhone. That said, I'm on a corporate tariff so can buy and sell my phone whenever. I'm in the UK by the way and am on a Vodafone tariff. I see a few S4s on eBay, selling new for around £400 unlocked, which is about the going rate for a used HTC One.
I really want to give Android a good year to see how I get on with it and have splashed out on an HTC One two weeks ago. I can't say I entirely love the device - mostly from a cosmetic angle - and am contemplating ebaying it and picking up an S4 instead.
Thoughts? What made you go S4 over the One? Am I daft?
Go on then, grab the S4, guvnah.
It's awesome ^^ I had the One but didn't like it so I exchanged it for an S4. Awesome camera in this one.
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If you ignore the cosmetic difference. S4, I would say, blows the One out of the water in almost all the other areas. You couldn't go wrong with an S4
I have an S4 and love it. So does my wife, and she's a technophobe. Removable battery and SD card sealed it for me. If you like to tinker, great OS. Heck, if you want it to look like iOS, I'm sure there's a mod for it. Have fun.
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I have an S4 and love it. So does my wife, and she's a technophobe. Removable battery and SD card sealed it for me. If you like to tinker, great OS. Heck, if you want it to look like iOS, I'm sure there's a mod for it. Have fun.
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You're in the S4 section so for sure you'll get people here convincing you to get the s4.
My friend was looking to get an xperia z, but I showed him my s4, and compared it side by side with an xz in the mall. Guess what, he immediately changed his mind!
If you do get the S4, though, get the i9505 (Qualcomm+LTE) instead of the i9500 (exynos octa) if you're interested in AOSP.
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If you do get the S4, though, get the i9505 (Qualcomm+LTE) instead of the i9500 (exynos octa) if you're interested in AOSP.
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Thanks guys. I'll give eBay a try - not great timing as I go on vacation Friday! I've also rooted which may impact it's value?
Yeah the problem with HTC one is the boot loader will say relocked even if you reset root. People will still know
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Yeah the problem with HTC one is the boot loader will say relocked even if you reset root. People will still know
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There's a way you can have the bootloader locked as if it was never unlocked at all, and the tampered sign gone. It's called revone and it doesn't require root nor an unlocked bootloader.
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Hi guys,
I'm a newbie to the world of Android, coming from several years of iPhone ownership. I can't say that I am convinced yet that Android is a better OS and I do find quite a lot of irritations that I never experienced with the iPhone. That said, I'm on a corporate tariff so can buy and sell my phone whenever. I'm in the UK by the way and am on a Vodafone tariff. I see a few S4s on eBay, selling new for around £400 unlocked, which is about the going rate for a used HTC One.
I really want to give Android a good year to see how I get on with it and have splashed out on an HTC One two weeks ago. I can't say I entirely love the device - mostly from a cosmetic angle - and am contemplating ebaying it and picking up an S4 instead.
Thoughts? What made you go S4 over the One? Am I daft?
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What is it that makes you unhappy about the HTC One? Do you think the S4 is better in those ways? You are used to IOS and switching anything you are used to can be painful. Why do you want an android phone? I love my S4, but I'm used to android.
I'll try to give you an unbiased summary between the One and S4:
One:
32GB internal memory standard
Better speakers and brighter display.
People seem to prefer the look
Better camera in low light
More polished software
Blinkfeed
S4:
Removable battery
MicroSD storage
Better contrast in display due to true blacks
Better camera excluding low light
Software is lacking polish (must trust updates will fix these issues)
Lots of bells and whistles (fun to try and show off, but most people ultimately turn these off)
If you decide S4, this might help you decide which S4.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=42230741#post42230741
Adding one more thing to the One vs S4 list. One has onscreen buttons as opposed to actual buttons on the S4, many people (I sure do) find that to be an advantage for the S4.
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What is it that makes you unhappy about the HTC One? Do you think the S4 is better in those ways? You are used to IOS and switching anything you are used to can be painful. Why do you want an android phone? I love my S4, but I'm used to android.
I'll try to give you an unbiased summary between the One and S4:
One:
32GB internal memory standard
Better speakers and brighter display.
People seem to prefer the look
Better camera in low light
More polished software
Blinkfeed
S4:
Removable battery
MicroSD storage
Better contrast in display due to true blacks
Better camera excluding low light
Software is lacking polish (must trust updates will fix these issues)
Lots of bells and whistles (fun to try and show off, but most people ultimately turn these off)
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Hi. I think I'm going to stick with the HTC. I gave my wife my iPhone 5 and took HTC One on contract (hers) instead. At the time I preferred the look of the HTC, but now I prefer the curvy white lines of the S4 - though it does seem somewhat cheap feeling. I fear that I'll miss the brightness of the HTC out doors (I already feel it's not bright enough).
I personally think that the S4 looks better, and like the fact that I could use it case-less without worrying about scratching the back, it's replaceable.
The HTC on the other hand I can't use naked because the seams between the front speaker covers aren't a perfect fit to the body, there's a very slight edge to them which my fingers instantly find and get botherer about, so it lives in a Poetic case. I guess they both have pros and cons but are also very similar.
I could agonise over this all night.
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Hi. I think I'm going to stick with the HTC. I gave my wife my iPhone 5 and took HTC One on contract (hers) instead. At the time I preferred the look of the HTC, but now I prefer the curvy white lines of the S4 - though it does seem somewhat cheap feeling. I fear that I'll miss the brightness of the HTC out doors (I already feel it's not bright enough).
I personally think that the S4 looks better, and like the fact that I could use it case-less without worrying about scratching the back, it's replaceable.
The HTC on the other hand I can't use naked because the seams between the front speaker covers aren't a perfect fit to the body, there's a very slight edge to them which my fingers instantly find and get botherer about, so it lives in a Poetic case. I guess they both have pros and cons but are also very similar.
I could agonise over this all night.
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Personally, if the only thing is the look, I would stick with the HTC. Functionally if you are happy, then stick with it. It's a really great phone.
Is there any way you could try the s4 out, via a friend or walk in phone shop maybe? You should know straight away if you want to sell the HTC One for it or not
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Is there any way you could try the s4 out, via a friend or walk in phone shop maybe? You should know straight away if you want to sell the HTC One for it or not
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I tried both and opted for SGS4 ....but it is so down to personal pref Both are great phone .. for me deciding factor was wireless charger.....HTC one cant have wireless charger due to Aluminium body....
sell it and move on =D
Hello to the community
I want to disable S-Pen completely and permanently on Samsung Galaxy Note 2 or Note3. I dont want the electro magnetic field of the wacom digitizer of the screen to be turned on even if the stylus in not in its silo . Is this possible with some hidden option or some extra app?
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So, probably there is no such option or app available for that purpose.
At least is it sure that there is not a emf present on wacom digitizer while s-pen is in the silo and the battery saving option is on?
Any one with emf meter (or second adnroid device with the free emf meter application) to measure if the emf desapears with the s-pen in the silo?
Thanks
Dimitris9999 said:
Hello to the community
I want to disable S-Pen completely and permanently on Samsung Galaxy Note 2 or Note3. I dont want the electro magnetic field of the wacom digitizer of the screen to be turned on even if the stylus in not in its silo . Is this possible with some hidden option or some extra app?
Thanks
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Buy an S4/S5 mate
Freeze the processes?
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Buy an S4/S5 mate
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+1 Surprised someone bought Note series and don't want to use S pen. For me it is one of the major reason for keeping Note series.
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Was the reason I bought a note 3.. and also the reason I've not gone custom rom so I can't use it!
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I am just searcing for an android phone with at least 5.5 inch amoled display. S4 and S5 has smaller screens, and i dont like the idea of curved ones like Galaxy Round or LG Flex. So the only remaining options are the Note phones. Beautifull big aboled screens. Just what i want.
I dont have one yet. If i found a way to disable the electro magnetic filed for sure then i am going to buy it
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I don't know if any one of you have any health problems with the produced emf of wacom digitizer. I found this site where people had health problems after long usage of wacom digitizer.
Maybe someone found it informative but it is now allowed to me to post the site yet.
That idea of freezing some processes is interesting. Or even better an small app with a small icon in the corner that terminate those proccesses automatically... Do you know these processes?
Additional ideas are welcomed
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I am just searcing for an android phone with at least 5.5 inch amoled display. S4 and S5 has smaller screens, and i dont like the idea of curved ones like Galaxy Round or LG Flex. So the only remaining options are the Note phones. Beautifull big aboled screens. Just what i want.
I dont have one yet. If i found a way to disable the electro magnetic filed for sure then i am going to buy it
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I don't know if any one of you have any health problems with the produced emf of wacom digitizer. I found this site where people had health problems after long usage of wacom digitizer.
Maybe someone found it informative but it is now allowed to me to post the site yet.
That idea of freezing some processes is interesting. Or even better an small app with a small icon in the corner that terminate those proccesses automatically... Do you know these processes?
Additional ideas are welcomed
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But isnt it more likely that the built in radio's have way stronger E.M.F. than the digitizer?
Else check for the Xperia Z Ultra, or for some tab without radio's so you don't have E.M.F's. at all!
ps to the rest; why dont you stop putting your opinion down when it DOESN'T contribute to the thread. You know who you are. This is still a Dev. community, not Justin Biebers fanclub-site.
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But isnt it more likely that the built in radio's have way stronger E.M.F. than the digitizer?
Else check for the Xperia Z Ultra, or for some tab without radio's so you don't have E.M.F's. at all!
ps to the rest; why dont you stop putting your opinion down when it DOESN'T contribute to the thread. You know who you are. This is still a Dev. community, not Justin Biebers fanclub-site.
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Yes, much more stronger emf but only for a few seconds as i dont talk too much to the phone, and zero E.M.F will in Flight mode
I checked for Xperis Z Ultra, nice one but without AMOLED screen. I love AMOLED screens. Not those LED backlight ones. Also there is no tablet out there with AMOLED screen. Yet.
Thanks for the suggestions.
What about those custom rooms that don't have spen function?
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If you wont pull out stylus you wont activate S-pen functionality as simple as that, go buy Z2 or LG G2
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Yes, much more stronger emf but only for a few seconds as i dont talk too much to the phone, and zero E.M.F will in Flight mode
I checked for Xperis Z Ultra, nice one but without AMOLED screen. I love AMOLED screens. Not those LED backlight ones. Also there is no tablet out there with AMOLED screen. Yet.
Thanks for the suggestions.
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Ah ok, ill compare the Z ultra with the Note3 next time i have a chance.
But last i looked the Z ultra did have a very nice screen tho. :good:
Goodluck in your hunt to EMF less devices, please report back if you have any succes.
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What about those custom rooms that don't have spen function?
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Custom roms without spen function? Thanks.
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If you wont pull out stylus you wont activate S-pen functionality as simple as that, go buy Z2 or LG G2
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That is exactly what i am talking about in my post 2. I believe that is the case but i want to be sure. Apparently no one has an emf meter to measure this. The Z2 and LG G2 doesn't have AMOLED screen.
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Ah ok, ill compare the Z ultra with the Note3 next time i have a chance.
But last i looked the Z ultra did have a very nice screen tho. :good:
Goodluck in your hunt to EMF less devices, please report back if you have any succes.
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A very difficult hunting...
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Yes, much more stronger emf but only for a few seconds as i dont talk too much to the phone,
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Incorrect, at all times the EMF will be greater from the radios except when they are off.
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and zero E.M.F will in Flight mode
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From the radios sure, but the rest of the device will still be producing a particular harmonic frequency as do all electronic circuits.
If I may be honest I really think this is a fools errand as all devices will produce a certain amount of EMF and in most cases it will be greater than that of the digitiser. Turning flight mode on kills all radios but not all sources of EMF, for that you need to turn the device off, and if you turn the radio and the wifi/bt off there doesn't really appear to be much point in a device with a >5" screen.
Most EMF is harmless in smaller quantities, and there are regulations around how much EMF can be emitted from a device for FCC registration. Also when you turn your phones radio off you are still surrounded by the EMF it receives (850/900/1800/1900/2100MHz radio frequencies are all electromagnetic fields.) Here in Australia there have been cases where people have claimed the wireless spectrum from a tower has made them sick, only for it to be revealed that the tower wasn't even turned on when they made the claim.
Also not to be a damper but you cannot really believe everything you read on the internet regarding things making people sick, there are people who will claim that anything is bad for you if you look hard enough The question really is has a wacom digitiser made you feel sick. If not then don't worry about it. Worrying about something potentially making you sick is more likely to do more harm to your health through stress than the thing you are concerned about
Meaby you are right. Meaby its not harmfull at all. But... meaby. After some years we know for sure. But i dont want to be a member of on of those future statistical resurches...
I would like to have the capability to turn it OFF.
Alternatives
I have had my eye on other brands, not for the EMF reason although if that is your worry use hands free and leave the device in your bag, it's more the knox nonsense + the up & coming Tizen terror Samsung has/will inflict on their consumers.
I like the specs of the LG G2 pro & the one plus one but will have to get my 'hands on' before putting down the Note 3 as I have had the note from version 1 & the digitizer is a boon, pressure sensitivity is not such a seller but the writing & precision is, I have found alternative stylus type implements but again it will be trial & error.
styli : http://www.staples.com/Adonit-Jot-P...iPhone-iPod-Touch-and-Touch/product_SS2203726
http://www.kensington.com/kensingto...s-and-pen-for-tablets-black.aspx#.U1QRvvldVp8
hope my input helps.
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I have had my eye on other brands, not for the EMF reason although if that is your worry use hands free and leave the device in your bag, it's more the knox nonsense + the up & coming Tizen terror Samsung has/will inflict on their consumers.
I like the specs of the LG G2 pro & the one plus one but will have to get my 'hands on' before putting down the Note 3 as I have had the note from version 1 & the digitizer is a boon, pressure sensitivity is not such a seller but the writing & precision is, I have found alternative stylus type implements but again it will be trial & error.
styli : http://www.staples.com/Adonit-Jot-P...iPhone-iPod-Touch-and-Touch/product_SS2203726
http://www.kensington.com/kensingto...s-and-pen-for-tablets-black.aspx#.U1QRvvldVp8
hope my input helps.
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Thanks for your reply.
I dont suggest you to do it. I see the screen of G2 and although is good is not compared with the superb AMOLED screen of Note 3. Those unbelievable colors and that deep black is unparalleled to any screen i have ever seen. That is the reason that i want to get the note 3.
I of course use handsfree or bluetooth all the time and the phone is in my bug and away from me. But it is impossible to play some games or see some pictures or anything else fun while the phone is in it's bug. It must be in my hands. And as we talk for inductive charging here for the charging of the stylus the emf will be strong. That is why i want to disable entirely the wacom digitizer, and if this is not possible, at least to know for sure that if the stylus is in its place the emf of wacom digitizer is gone completely.
Or get the Galaxy S5.
Or are there some things you want, that i forgot?
Pretty sure just walking outside provides more radiation and health risks than the E.M.F of any cell phone can ever produce.
Pretty much everything you can do in life poses a higher risk than a cell phone.