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Hey guys,
I'm feeling rather enterprising at the moment. The question is, what would it take to get a clean/stock/aosp version of Gingerbread up and running for the Verizon Fascinate? Could an XPrize style reward work? If so how much would it need to be? $1000? less? A LOT MORE? Thoughts? PLEASE ANYBODY, THOUGHTS? I need replys from devs and non-devs... If there is enough interest we could easily setup a prize fund and have it auto-refund people if the prize was not attained within a given time frame...anybody?
/Andrew
UPDATE 1: I'm totally gonna set this up! See my latest post (pg.4) for more details and new questions.
UPDATE 2:
(1) Money is the strongest motivating force that we can use.
(2) Refunds will be available should you change your mind about supporting the XPRIZE.
(3) Waiting for an official release is futile. They are MONTHS behind on a Froyo release, and we will all likely have new phones with HoneyComb before we get gingerbread through official channels.
(4) The CDMA radio is understandable the biggest obstacle, money should at least get people to work more aggressively to fix this or pursue a leak.
(5) beg, borrow, steal, i want a true google experience with the ability to RULE THE AIR, on verizon.
"Can you hear me now?"
come on guys, i can tell this is getting a few views, just add a quick reply and say, that you think this a good or bad idea...please
Sounds appealing, but I don't think this is the ideal phone developers would want to spend time on. I'm using this phone simply as a bridge to the Nexus S.
i can understand the nexus S appeal, but i imagine there are many people who wouldn't want to leave Verizon. In fact i ditched my iphone not only because Steve Jobs is a prick, but more importantly because Verizon has a much better network...
trojjanhorse said:
Sounds appealing, but I don't think this is the ideal phone developers would want to spend time on. I'm using this phone simply as a bridge to the Nexus S.
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Oh, and it looks like you may not even have a Sansung Fascinate...on verizon...which is the phone i am posting about. Most of the Galaxy S variants are GSM/HSPA phones, the fascinate is a CDMA/EVDO phone and seems to be not benefit as much from the development on the other variants because of its different modem/radio. This is why i think we (verizon facinate owners) need to put some incentives out there...
I like the idea, just not sure how viable it actually is.
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dboss713 said:
I like the idea, just not sure how viable it actually is.
+1
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andrewblanejr said:
Oh, and it looks like you may not even have a Sansung Fascinate...on verizon...which is the phone i am posting about. Most of the Galaxy S variants are GSM/HSPA phones, the fascinate is a CDMA/EVDO phone and seems to be not benefit as much from the development on the other variants because of its different modem/radio. This is why i think we (verizon facinate owners) need to put some incentives out there...
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i agree with this
Would gladly donate a few bucks for that sweet Gingerbread..
It's a nice idea but I don't think it'll go. We don't even have a working port of 2.2 yet, nor AOSP of 2.2 running on this device... Would I like to see some gingerbread goodness? Why heck yes, but do I think it's possible...? Nope. Best just to wait for OTA release and modify it I say...
...Yes I know with samsungs history we wont see that until android 5.1 but that's besides the point!
I would gladly donate sounds like a good idea if we can make it happen
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Good idea sure
Although I have not done any really really heavy dev work for the platform, I think this is more a question on feasibility. Would I kick in for it sure, breaking totally free of the VZW\Samsung cycle would be great. However without some support or "leaks" making everything work would be a monumental task. At least if I understand the methodology.
i'd give at least $30 towards this..
I'm not going to say its not possible....but more like its not probable. It might get some money hungry devs on the fascinate though (ultimatedroid), so it cant be too bad. Well talk is cheap as they say.... So start the xPrize and see what happens...the worse thing that could happen is probably nothing gets done.
And i apologize right now in advance.... but this doesnt belong in this forum.... lol... i had to. im sorry.
Being a dev, I have to say its more trouble than its worth.
First we'd have to hack up at LEAST the .32 kernel and get froyo running. Without the froyo kernel source, its more of a pain than anything. Getting the system running to be compatible is no where near as hard as Getting the kernel.. That's something different.
I don't know what would be involved in making something like this happen, but I'd throw $50 at it.
Considering we don't have a fully working build of AOSP 2.1, I can't see this happening. Maybe if there is better source released for 2.2 when it gets here it will be easier, but I feel like if that happens, then devs would work on it anyway.
I don't think people realize that we've had aosp froyo all along. What we don't have is our driver specific kernel. We'll have gingerbread the day it becomes available but that doesn't mean anything as we won't have kernel again at the release.
@op you want us build up from the ground like we did with milestone? NONE of us will go through that hell again ever. $1000? haha that amount is nothing considering what we would put in if we were to build it up from the ground again.
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i have seen a prize work
a little history
my first smart phone was the VZ 6900 aka the HTC vogue
a windows mobile 6 phone that never had an "official" Rom or Kernel for android and yet the dev were able to not only build a fully working android 2.2 including getting all drivers to work, and as we speak those same vogue dev are now working on 2.3 builds, mind you i am not a dev and but i know this took a lot of work but a prize is what got the team moving and i would give $20 or more if we could get this going
So among poll responders most non-dev USERS would be willing to contribute some money towards this. Good news, but with only two responders claiming to be developers it's hard to say whether we could really get the interest of developers...perhaps i should PM some people? who are the big shot developers in these parts?
Hi Everyone,
As some of you may know, I broke the screen on my tab awhile ago. I only recently managed to secure the funds to repair the screen, however, seeing as I live in the US, it will still take me a good while to get my device fixed.
What I would prefer is to instead use an i815 as my main development system, and use the p6810 I have to make sure that I don't break anything for the international users. This will make it easier for me if I have any future hardware issues since I only have to deal with the US branch of Samsung and Verizon. It will also mean that I can add support for the i815 with my CM port much more easily. Also, it would mean that I could get back to developing more quickly as I would not have to wait for my device to return.
I cannot afford to purchase a new tab at this time, however, many people have been very generous and have asked to donate. I am very hesitant to the idea of donating for the reasons I discuss in at the bottom of this post (make sure you read it). However, since many people are eager for me to be able to start developing again, and for support on the i815, I figured it is fair to allow people to donate to that cause.
I have not yet gotten my screen repaired (although I have started along the track of getting it repaired), so depending on the interest and amount people donate, I might not get my screen repaired and instead use the money I've saved up to help in purchasing an i815. Regardless of whether I repair my screen or not, I intend to fully support the international versions of the Tab 7.7 (after all, I've done a ton of work for them already ).
MAKE SURE YOU HAVE READ THE REST OF THIS POST BEFORE CLICKING ON THE DONATE BUTTON
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The reason why I don't like to take donations is because, despite the name, when people "donate" they frequently (sometimes subconsciously) expect a product in return (in this case a fully functional CM9). That is something that I cannot guarantee since I only do this as a hobby and may not have the knowledge and/or time to fix all of the current outstanding issues. As long as this is very clear to people and they promise not to dirty this thread with requests for ETAs and whatnot, I might consider donations.
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Well there's absolutely no devs on the i815 so I can say I'd pledge a donation on my next payday assuming end of month is good. Gonna put up a PayPal or just have interested ppl pm you?
Either way your cm undertaking seemed impressive, wish you luck with whatever you choose to get whether it's repair or the i815
Edit: didn't see donation button on my phones tapa lol. Will plan to donate on payday
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i815 is the LTE Verizon version, right?
I suppose that wifi and hardware acceleration issues are the same of international version... So I'll be happy to donate... I'll do it as soon as I come back from work tonight.
Thanks Locerra for your efforts
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$25 your way. Plan to drop another $25 later.
I say get that i815 first
I HAVE SENT YOU ALL MY MONIES> THX>. Now let's get back to hacking. I'm lonely.
Will Pay Tomorrow 50 Euros. I hope youre back Soon
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$20 from Italy! :good:
donation complete, 50US, I'd love to help too, let me know what you need
I've got access to several servers both dedicated and virtual
can write application layer code etc
hit me up for an offline conversation as to what else might be doable
--tr
Thanks for your generosity guys, it is very appreciated. I'm at about $150 now (due to paypal tax), so there is still a bit of a ways to go.
locerra said:
Thanks for your generosity guys, it is very appreciated. I'm at about $150 now (due to paypal tax), so there is still a bit of a ways to go.
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Thanks for the hardwork and just donated 20$. Hope your screen would be fixed very soon.
From a P6800 user.
20$ sent for your work
two thumbs up for your work - just love it - 40$
I just sent u some support. Hope it all pans out!
$20 us sent.
Hrmmm I wanna donate but I am thinking about selling my i815.. so i guess i can sell it to locerra for a good deal so he wont have to raise as much money!
I'm curious to hear your thoughts on getting voice/text to work on the i815?
I'll be donating $20 US on Friday -- just waiting for the ol' paycheck.
miiike said:
I'm curious to hear your thoughts on getting voice/text to work on the i815?
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Not just this, but it would be nice to also have the bluetooth phone profile available, so that the tablet can pass incoming caller-id info to my bluetooth watch/handset.
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I'm curious to hear your thoughts on getting voice/text to work on the i815?
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Do you mean other than VOIP solutions like Skype? If so, I doubt it. You would have to get Verizon to sign off on having a plan with minutes on your tablet, which I very much doubt they would do since as far as official firmware goes the Tab 7.7 is a data only device. Since they don't do voice over LTE yet, you also can't just swap SIM cards.
Data is probably going to take a bit to get going anyway -- there are no Samsung devices running ICS with CDMA or LTE, other than the just recently (or soon to be) released Galaxy S III (at least as far as I know).
Would it help if I told you I can put my VZW sim from my Galaxy Nexus and 4G/3G work fine and switch between the two modes? There might be an extra modem that needs to be flashed to a specific partition but I don't think a plan from VZW will be the issue getting it to work.
Hey everyone. I bought a VZW G pad for my main device a few months ago. I love everything about it; aside from the software. It seems as though Verizon will not be pushing a 4.4 update to us (still hoping though!) and I really think a clean CM or other vanilla ROM would really make this thing great (there's a reason they made a GPE). I've been trying my hand at development, and I think after a few months of devoted time I could make something happen, but so far I've had no luck.
With the talent here at XDA, specifically the work put in by paperWastage, I think it'd be much more effective to motivate people with a bounty. I mentioned it in another thread, but I want to put it here to make it more official.
For a custom kernel with overclocking abilities or for a very stable CM11 build, I will put in $10. If you can make the IR Blaster work, I'll do $20.
I lowered my bounty as 4.4 is now released, so it's less imperative to me. But I still appreciate the work devs to and am still willing to support them.
I appreciate everything the developers do, and I recognize they have lives and limited budgets. So here's hoping us LTE users aren't condemned to 4.2 forever!
Thank you.
I hope this thing can take off soon,. I am just shocked that verizon was giving these away and no one has created any roms for it yet! I wish I knew how otherwise I would.
Heck man at this point.... MY KINGDOM FOR A TWEAKED STOCK ROM! I would even take a tweaked jellybean rom at this point. Just something than might be better than pure stock.
I have 30 to it
I am going to begin a bounty to all of our devs of $100 to whomever can get a working unlocked bootloader for the Verizon 4GLTE P605V Samsung Galaxy 10.1 2014 edition. It's complete nonsense that going as far back as far as April (the first post I found searching for this) that there isn't a solution.... If you own this tablet variant as well, please jump on board.
Most devs for the 10.1 2014 have moved to the pro version. So this may be really hard to get. if you look at the unlocked versions there is little to no support for them right now as well.
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All the Verizon/Samsung locked bootloaders have been unlockable to date as well as the AT&T varieties. Check the S4, Note 3 and S5 threads.
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All the Verizon/Samsung locked bootloaders have been unlockable to date as well as the AT&T varieties. Check the S4, Note 3 and S5 threads.
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I don't really care about the S4, my Note 3 is already unlocked, and could care less about the S5 as well. What I AM concerned with is getting my 10.1 2014 Verizon edition unlocked so I can actually get TWRP on it an put on custom ROM's. For a forum filled with lots of experts and geniuses, no one seems to want to take any time or make any effort. I am literally begging! Using any version of Odin has failed trying to get TWRP on my tablet. All the ROMs I have looked at say to install that as a prerequisite. So what is a guy to do? Should I just put a round from my .45 through it and call it a day? I am outside the 14 day return window now with Verizon, so unless someone can give me a clue as to what I am doing wrong, then I am royally screwed..........
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I don't really care about the S4, my Note 3 is already unlocked, and could care less about the S5 as well. What I AM concerned with is getting my 10.1 2014 Verizon edition unlocked so I can actually get TWRP on it an put on custom ROM's. For a forum filled with lots of experts and geniuses, no one seems to want to take any time or make any effort. I am literally begging! Using any version of Odin has failed trying to get TWRP on my tablet. All the ROMs I have looked at say to install that as a prerequisite. So what is a guy to do? Should I just put a round from my .45 through it and call it a day? I am outside the 14 day return window now with Verizon, so unless someone can give me a clue as to what I am doing wrong, then I am royally screwed..........
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You are missing the point. Bootloaders are not a simple security hack. They are the proprietary coding that allows the device to boot. There is NO decompiling, sorting through code, figuring out the lock and then unlocking it. There needs to be an exploit to get in and change it. Which means there is a 99% chance the wrong exploit attempt will brick the device...an not the "brick" all these people talk about mistakenly on this site...a REAL brick...dead paperweight. Think that it is an issue with this sites "geniuses" not wanting to do it? Maybe you would understand better if you blindfolded yourself and tried to assemble a 5000 piece jigsaw puzzle....only you get an electric shock with every wrong piece you play.
I mentioned the other devices not to see if you "care"...it is to let you know the same method is employed to lock those as your tablet and they are just as popular with the "geniuses" that genuinely want to unlock the bootloader. AND have large bounties on them.
As to what are you supposed to do? Research next time. Buy products from a carrier that does not lock down their devices or buy a device that is not a commercial push to the military and corporate so that Verizon wants it locked down tight for more sales and contracts. Or continue to hold your breath throwing this tantrum you seem to be doing. Or...I don't know...use the tablet as it was designed to be used when sold and seems to work fine for the millions of customers who know nothing of XDA or rooting.
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You are missing the point. Bootloaders are not a simple security hack. They are the proprietary coding that allows the device to boot. There is NO decompiling, sorting through code, figuring out the lock and then unlocking it. There needs to be an exploit to get in and change it. Which means there is a 99% chance the wrong exploit attempt will brick the device...an not the "brick" all these people talk about mistakenly on this site...a REAL brick...dead paperweight. Think that it is an issue with this sites "geniuses" not wanting to do it? Maybe you would understand better if you blindfolded yourself and tried to assemble a 5000 piece jigsaw puzzle....only you get an electric shock with every wrong piece you play.
I mentioned the other devices not to see if you "care"...it is to let you know the same method is employed to lock those as your tablet and they are just as popular with the "geniuses" that genuinely want to unlock the bootloader. AND have large bounties on them.
As to what are you supposed to do? Research next time. Buy products from a carrier that does not lock down their devices or buy a device that is not a commercial push to the military and corporate so that Verizon wants it locked down tight for more sales and contracts. Or continue to hold your breath throwing this tantrum you seem to be doing. Or...I don't know...use the tablet as it was designed to be used when sold and seems to work fine for the millions of customers who know nothing of XDA or rooting.
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I would have to say that in reading text, it is generally hard to understand the tone of the text. While I wasn't throwing a tantrum, the tone of your reply is pretty unmistakable. When someone comes here genuinely looking for help and assistance with a device, is it a general practice to publicly belittle and berate them? As to my bounty, I started off low to see if others would jump on board or not. As to my carrier, I have been with Verizon from day one, get a rather large corporate discount from them on devices and accessories, and have 6 lines through them, so why just to get this tablet to do what I want it to, would I change carriers? Every device that I have had in the 'smart'phone era has been Verizon, and someone has found a way to unlock them. So I apologize if I came of looking like a prick, as that was not at all my intention. I would gladly personally pay up to $100.00 if someone could help. It is very frustrating to only be able to do half of what I want to achieve with my tablet. I'm as far as I personally can go on it. If anyone was offended by my wording, again, I am sorry for that. BTW, I changed the avatar that was only taken offense to after my post. Have a happy Sunday Funday! I know I will as I am already on bloody Mary number 4 here.
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I would have to say that in reading text, it is generally hard to understand the tone of the text. While I wasnt throwing a tantrum, the tone of your reply is pretty unmistakable. When someone comes here genuinely looking for help and assistance with a device, is it a general practice to publicly belittle and berate them? As to my bounty, I started off low to see if others would jump on board or not. As to my carrier, I have been with Verizon from day one, get a rather large corporate discount from them on devices and accessories, and have 6 lines through them, so why just to get this tablet to do what I want it to, would I change carriers? Every device that I have had in the smartphone era has been Verizon, and someone has found a way to unlock them. So I apologize if I came of looking like a prick, as that was not at all my intention. I would gladly personally pay up to $100.00 if someone could help. It is very frustrating to only be able to do half of what I want to achieve with my tablet. Im as far as I personally can go on it. If anyone was offended by my wording, again, I am sorry for that. BTW, I changed the avatar that was only taken offense to after my post. Have a happy Sunday Funday! I know I will as I am already on bloody Mary number 4 here.
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Your phrase that asks if you should put a bullet into your tablet certainly sounded like a bit of a tantrum. Sorry if I somehow misconstrued that. Then also sounding like you were belittling XDA developers because they did not unlock the bootloader yet.. Sounded a bit entitled. There are devices years old that have never been unlocked. I have done my best to explain why there should never be a time limit or expectations of the bootloader ever being unlocked yet you also shot that down as selfishly exclaiming you did not care about those examples and were only concerned about what matters to you. Did I leave anything out? Sorry if I somehow misinterpreted any of that. Sounds like you need to start making a decision as to what is more important to you, your corporate discount or an unlocked bootloader. Have your bounty but I already explained older Verizon devices with the same locked bootloaders has stumped the security geniuses so far.
$100
$100.00
$150.00?
The devs were never really all that involved with this tablet. It is highly unlikely they will unlock the Verizon version unless they figure out the other Samsung products. Even if they would unlock the tablet you my not get any devs that are willing to port their Roms over to the Verizon version.
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Ok, I give up
Don_Pachuco said:
Ok, I give up
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Say my friend..don't give up There are to many smart people at this forum... (and other forums) Trust me just have to be patient lol.. I am in the same boat some one will figure this out..
OK, I have a SM-P605v with a broken LCD (not the screen itself, but the display is discolored and not displaying correctly). It was previously Rooted and I have gotten screen emulators working when hooked up to my laptop. I would be willing to donate this to any Dev willing to work on the exploit. If there is a risk of bricking the device, then rest assured it's no biggie since the screen is bad on it. Please PM me if you are interested.
It's been a while now, anyone figure it out yet?....................................................
Has anyone tried the unlock script for the note 3 and note 4?
Here is the link to note 3.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/ver...l/official-note-3-verizon-bootloader-t3359370
I just got a SM-P605 that is unlocked. Once I figure out where the kernal came from perhaps I can be of help here. I really want to get this thing rooted and connected with my carrier. I had had a SM-P600, but it was smashed and could not be repaired. That's why I bought this tablet. Otherwise this P605 is totally stock and runs like a very well behaved powerhouse should.
Rob
i looked at this page it says u need root to use this .
Nappyloxs said:
Has anyone tried the unlock script for the note 3 and note 4?
Here is the link to note 3.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/ver...l/official-note-3-verizon-bootloader-t3359370
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but dont you need a unlocked bootloader to get root ?
No you don't need unlocked bootloader to root. I think I used towel root years ago to root this tablet.
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The devs were never really all that involved with this tablet. It is highly unlikely they will unlock the Verizon version unless they figure out the other Samsung products. Even if they would unlock the tablet you my not get any devs that are willing to port their Roms over to the Verizon version.
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You know I really loved my SM-P600, but it was badly damaged and I don't know how or where to order in the left speaker, on/off switch from. So got really frustrated advanced ordered an SM-P605v instead and was able to get one that has an unlocked boatloader. I've not rooted it yet, or mounted TWRP on it. I may not root it though I'd like to. Even so, I'm looking into it and while, though I'm extremely happy with it,I may eventually root it.
I've explored a lot of options so far and none of them, so far, work for an SM-P605v running Android 5.1.1.
I'll get back with you about a week from now.
By the way, this tablet, and the SGN Pro are still much more powerful and capable than the Surface Pro or IPad Pro. This, even though they are getting a little older.
By the way,I spoke to a friend of mine who owns the large IPad Pro today. Apple hasn't optimised the Home screen yet, even after all these months. You'd think they'd have done better by their consumer base by now.
Even so, I'm so pleased with the Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1(2014), both with the SM-P600, and the SM-P605. Unless Samsung releases a Tab A that has an S Pen and 32 gigs memory, or releases a substantial upgrade to the SM-P600,SM-P605, and SM-P607, or puts out a new SGN in the series with 64 our 128gigs internal, I'm not open to trading my tablet in. It'll be over my cold, dead body.
This whole thing just died from no interest other than from me, huh?
Is there anything in the near future coming as far as roms,tweaks..anything for the Verizon note 3 or being that the boatloader is locked developers have lost interest...pretty bummed out...unfortunately I don't have the brain capacity to become a developer...you guys make it easy for us noobs to customize our phone...so we are pretty much a captive audience...waiting for something new...
Thanks guys...
I'm pretty sure we'll get some custom roms with the new 5.0 base whenever we actually get it. Likely just the current ones will be updated, though, and all will still have to be TouchWiz based as well. Developers get frustrated with Verizon and kinda lose interest, and I can't say I blame them. If you're really into customization, you will have way more luck with unlocked phones activated on ATT or T-Mobile right now.
ATT and T-Mobile service in my area is no where near verizon...so I guess I'm screwed...i am actually thinking of converting to ios...I loved my note 2 when I unlocked and started roming and installing CM..in was great....but know I'm on4.4.4 there isn't even root for it...Fustrated!!