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I'm waiting for Surface Pro or similar because it's the way to have an ultra book and a Note 10.1 with windows in the same package, but what do you think guys? I I mean, it's a good option or should I buy the Note and then a new ultra book with Win 8? I don't know which option is better, and also I don't know exactly the price of every option
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I'm waiting for Surface Pro or similar because it's the way to have an ultra book and a Note 10.1 with windows in the same package, but what do you think guys? I I mean, it's a good option or should I buy the Note and then a new ultra book with Win 8? I don't know which option is better, and also I don't know exactly the price of every option
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It's likely that the Surface Pro will be in the neighborhood of $1000, or at least priced around the same as an ultrabook. Also, to be honest I don't think it's that likely that Windows 8 will succeed in getting a lot of touchscreen friendly apps but with Android you already have that (but it's debatable whether there are enough tablet optimized apps). Windows tablets are fairly nice for handwriting but I imagine everything else would be a pain. Of course, my last experience with a Windows tablet was one that would be 4 years old if it hadn't died catastrophically after just under 2 years, so maybe the Surface Pro will be great and Windows 8 will have a lot of touch optimized apps but I doubt it. Also you're almost certainly going to get a thinner body and better battery life with the Note than the Surface Pro. I considered the Surface Pro for a bit too but after learning that it'll be priced like an Ultrabook I decided the Note 10.1 was for me. The most important part of a PC is the keyboard IMO, I don't really see the advantage of having a tablet that runs Windows when we have a capable mobile OS with a vibrant app ecosystem already.
Edit: I figure though that if Surface Pro is amazing and the Note underwhelms, worst case I'll sell my Note 10.1 for a bit of a loss and get that instead, but I just don't think there's any reason to have a compromise device that has a Core i5 but needs to be light and thin and last long. Anything that needs a Core i5 is going to need a proper keyboard/mouse/work environment anyway.
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I'm waiting for Surface Pro or similar because it's the way to have an ultra book and a Note 10.1 with windows in the same package, but what do you think guys? I I mean, it's a good option or should I buy the Note and then a new ultra book with Win 8? I don't know which option is better, and also I don't know exactly the price of every option
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I have the Samsung Series 7 Slate with Win8 on it as well as the Note. Two different devices with two different uses. The Note is for apps, watching media, playing games and such while the Slate is for doing work. The slate with apps could do both but not yet as there are not enough apps for those things I use the note for yet. The slate is a notebook replacement which the Note is not.
The slate has a touchscreen with a wacom digitizer and pen, core i5, ssd and is very fast. But it's heavy in comparison and the optional Bluetooth keyboard you have to lug around though it's small. Plus it starts around $1300 plus.
So at this time I have and use both and don't see either replacing the other soon.
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The main reason is for note taking and engineering windows applications, that's the main reason I want two gadgets or one which let's me do both things. Also
I want to see videos and browse the Web but is not the main purpose
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It's likely that the Surface Pro will be in the neighborhood of $1000, or at least priced around the same as an ultrabook. Also, to be honest I don't think it's that likely that Windows 8 will succeed in getting a lot of touchscreen friendly apps but with Android you already have that (but it's debatable whether there are enough tablet optimized apps). Windows tablets are fairly nice for handwriting but I imagine everything else would be a pain. Of course, my last experience with a Windows tablet was one that would be 4 years old if it hadn't died catastrophically after just under 2 years, so maybe the Surface Pro will be great and Windows 8 will have a lot of touch optimized apps but I doubt it. Also you're almost certainly going to get a thinner body and better battery life with the Note than the Surface Pro. I considered the Surface Pro for a bit too but after learning that it'll be priced like an Ultrabook I decided the Note 10.1 was for me. The most important part of a PC is the keyboard IMO, I don't really see the advantage of having a tablet that runs Windows when we have a capable mobile OS with a vibrant app ecosystem already.
Edit: I figure though that if Surface Pro is amazing and the Note underwhelms, worst case I'll sell my Note 10.1 for a bit of a loss and get that instead, but I just don't think there's any reason to have a compromise device that has a Core i5 but needs to be light and thin and last long. Anything that needs a Core i5 is going to need a proper keyboard/mouse/work environment anyway.
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Everything about this post is wrong.
1. Surface Pro is unlikely to be $1000+. The anticipated price range is 600-700. But for now we don't know.
2. Windows 8 will have a slew of touch capable and touch friendly apps coming out at launch, and by Jan 2013 (the release date for Surface Pro) will have just about everything covered.
3. The UX for Win8 is really really good. Today I was watching some videos in bed before getting out with my Note 10.1. I found it stupid that I couldn't swipe from the left to change apps and swipe from the right to get search. The split keyboard on the Note is really nice for these situations but the position of the app switcher button, the home button etc are very uncomfortable to use when using both hands.
BUT even if all these points were not present and infact were bad for Win 8:
4. The biggest feature of the Surface Pro over Note 10.1 is OneNote. There is nothing comparable on any platform. I love my note 10.1 (I have two!) but nothing compares to the handwriting support for OneNote. I can write on the page and easily convert it to text. I can take a fully handwritten page and convert that to text with minimal hassle. S-Note is a nice app but handwriting support is really far behind.
When Surface Pro is out, Note 10.1 like devices will have no chance in competing even with much (or slightly) lower price.
Which is not to say that the Note isn't incredible. It really really is. I love it. But OneNote alone changes the game.
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I have the Samsung Series 7 Slate with Win8 on it as well as the Note. Two different devices with two different uses. The Note is for apps, watching media, playing games and such while the Slate is for doing work. The slate with apps could do both but not yet as there are not enough apps for those things I use the note for yet. The slate is a notebook replacement which the Note is not.
The slate has a touchscreen with a wacom digitizer and pen, core i5, ssd and is very fast. But it's heavy in comparison and the optional Bluetooth keyboard you have to lug around though it's small. Plus it starts around $1300 plus.
So at this time I have and use both and don't see either replacing the other soon.
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Can you plz describe more in detail in which situation you are using the slate for work what the note can't do
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I can take a fully handwritten page and convert that to text with minimal hassle. S-Note is a nice app but handwriting support is really far behind.
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For this feature there is an excellent app called 7 notes on Google play, you can hand write your notes within the dedicated app and convert them to text later on. Text can also be formatted although limited however the handwriting recognition is really excellent. One note no doubt is the industry standard however there are alternatives that get the job done.
The handwriting panel can also be used for text entry of required on any app however, if used outside of the dedicated app, it will convert your handwriting to text on the fly.
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4. The biggest feature of the Surface Pro over Note 10.1 is OneNote. There is nothing comparable on any platform. I love my note 10.1 (I have two!) but nothing compares to the handwriting support for OneNote. I can write on the page and easily convert it to text. I can take a fully handwritten page and convert that to text with minimal hassle. S-Note is a nice app but handwriting support is really far behind.
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Cant agree more on the topic of onenote...
This is one of the best products ever... Always loved how amazing this is... Nothing comes close..
Sadly android and ios implementation are terrible.. I would rather use the webversion...
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Can you plz describe more in detail in which situation you are using the slate for work what the note can't do
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MS Office apps. Yes you can use Polaris or whatever on the tablet. Remote desktop onto office desktops using corporate RDP. Visual Studio .Net. Engineering design tools. Of course many aren't available for Win8 yet so some of what I'm talking about were for win7 before I upgraded to 8.
I'd suggest using the Note provided the apps you want run there. If they don't and you do have some other wintel box then you can run those apps from the note using something like spashtop remote.
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For this feature there is an excellent app called 7 notes on Google play, you can hand write your notes within the dedicated app and convert them to text later on. Text can also be formatted although limited however the handwriting recognition is really excellent. One note no doubt is the industry standard however there are alternatives that get the job done.
The handwriting panel can also be used for text entry of required on any app however, if used outside of the dedicated app, it will convert your handwriting to text on the fly.
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QQ I bought the app and it doesn't let you write on the screen. The thing I wanted was for writing on the notes and later process the strokes to text. Oh well, the keyboard (Mazec) is pretty nice with the auto scroll. Worth the $1.
for me the text recognition is very great
I write everything with it and don't use the keyboard any more
with some settings its even more great for me (check them out in the keyboard settings)
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QQ I bought the app and it doesn't let you write on the screen. The thing I wanted was for writing on the notes and later process the strokes to text. Oh well, the keyboard (Mazec) is pretty nice with the auto scroll. Worth the $1.
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You can do the above, I do it all the time. Use the dedicated app and Keep your stylus on the Mazec Menu Icon on the bottom left and a pop up will allow you to use stroke mode, the handwriting input panel will change colour. Now when you write, the notes will be in your handwriting, to convert them to text later, longPress on any part of the handwritten text until a menu pops up and pick convert.
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You can do the above, I do it all the time. Use the dedicated app and Keep your stylus on the Mazec Menu Icon on the bottom left and a pop up will allow you to use stroke mode, the handwriting input panel will change colour. Now when you write, the notes will be in your handwriting, to convert them to text later, longPress on any part of the handwritten text until a menu pops up and pick convert.
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Yeah I figured that out but I was hoping to get free form writing on the note itself. The samsung keyboard also have such a panel though I think that Mazec one might be a bit easier to use (though it has more trouble recognizing my handwriting).
Incidentally if there anyway to change where the autocomplete suggestions appear? As I am left handed its impossible to see the suggestions as I write. Iff I could move them to the bottom of the keyboard instead of the top that would be a big big benefit.
If the W8 tablets have capacitive displays they''ll suffer the same issues all tablets before them suffered (regardless of OS). What separates the Note (s) is their inductive displays and all that goes along with that. If they do have inductive displays it all comes down to who implements the s/w better. I think you guys are expecting way too much from W8 V1. It took Android until V4 to become passable. Debating the theory of W8 tablets is fun. A lot can happen on the road from theory to practice. I for one want to understand why some of the biggest name OEM's are shunning RT. It's more than just price and competing with MS in h/w which shouldn't be difficult.
Well I was talking of the Pro version which already has great pen apps like One note or zenbrush, photoshop, etc
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If the W8 tablets have capacitive displays they''ll suffer the same issues all tablets before them suffered (regardless of OS). What separates the Note (s) is their inductive displays and all that goes along with that. If they do have inductive displays it all comes down to who implements the s/w better. I think you guys are expecting way too much from W8 V1. It took Android until V4 to become passable. Debating the theory of W8 tablets is fun. A lot can happen on the road from theory to practice. I for one want to understand why some of the biggest name OEM's are shunning RT. It's more than just price and competing with MS in h/w which shouldn't be difficult.
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as I know the Note has capazitiv and a induktiv layer! Capazitiv is for your finger and induktiv for the pen
And the Win 8 tablets with pen would have the same
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You really can't compare the two because the Surface Pro will probably be ~2x more expensive, apps probably much more expensive like they are now, it'll be hotter running, with shorter battery life, bulkier and heavier. The Surface Pro won't be much different than installing Windows 8 on my Thinkpad. I bought the Galaxy Note 10.1 instead because I like competition and want to see ARM devices grow more powerful as a desktop and laptop alternative with superior power efficiency and lower cost.
Well of you read the first post, I was asking between a Note 10.1 plus an ultra book or a new windows 8 convertible with both capacitive and digitalizer layers, to be able to use a Wacom style pen, my fingers and the Keyboard, and all of this to take notes plus Engineering programs like Ansys or Catia
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Well of you read the first post, I was asking between a Note 10.1 plus an ultra book or a new windows 8 convertible with both capacitive and digitalizer layers, to be able to use a Wacom style pen, my fingers and the Keyboard, and all of this to take notes plus Engineering programs like Ansys or Catia
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I don't think there's enough info available on W8 tablets (Pro or RT) at this point to have anything but a theoretical conversation. The HP TouchPad with webOS was a great product killed by a lack of an eco-system. What's going to be any different, especially on the consumption side, with W8? Pro's not due out until years end and RT will be the launch pproduct. I can't see it doing what you guys are hoping for at the price points being discussed. The success or failure of W8 tables will take months to determine. The biggest differentiator is MS Office support but that's not a motivator for a lot of people or iPad wouldn't be as successful as it is. With consumption being the number one use for a tablet ,being as late as it is, W8 has a tough road to hoe.
Like Barry said, until we know price points, there's really nothing to discuss. Rumor has it RT will debut at $200, which seems too unlikely to be true, but in order to make a dent in the market, Microsoft is gonna have to do something spectacular like that. And if they can gain market share, third party developers will develop for it. I also am looking forward to the Pro tablets, but I seriously doubt they'll be as affordable as the Note. I've been reading they could be $600-800, but I really don't think there's any way they could be cheaper than an ultrabook. The relatively cheaper price point is what drove me to the Note, and unless the W8 Pro tablets are affordable and/or blow everyone away, I can't see myself getting one over the Note.
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It's possible to run Windows 8 on Android with all multitouch and other tablet features! Check this video. Cool?
I think it's a great way to play with Windows 8, without throwing money on a new expensive tablet. And even better it's possible to use additional Android features like Android voice text input on Windows.
Windows 8 running on Samsung Galaxy Tab tablet and Android!
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Not even close. This is just spam.
@decatf u no understand cloud computing?
Does user really cares how and where it runs? No, the most important part is that it allows to use Win 8 on the tablet. Even more, use it with all the multitouch and tablet stuff like a normal Microsoft Surface, but with the PC power.
This is not Windows 8 running on the Samsung Galaxy Tab. This is nothing more than a remote desktop.
Technically you are correct, Windows is running on the server and tablet is just a client.
Though by "running" I mean one way of using Windows 8 on an Android tablet. And it might even be one of the best ways of using Win 8 on a tablet, because of a performance, battery efficiency, extra features and how easy is to set everything up. Yes, it has some trade-offs, it requires a fast connectivity and UI fluidity depends on connection.. but still it's a valid way of using Windows on a tablet. Even more advanced way, because all the latest and greatest technology moves to remote computing so called cloud.
I wouldn't underestimate it because of that it doesn't technically run a tablet itself.. who really cares?
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I wouldn't underestimate it because of that it doesn't technically run a tablet itself.. who really cares?
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The ones who have been looking to run arm Win8 natively on the tablet. You should rename the title of your thread to something more appropriate like running Win8 with remote desktop or in a "cloud" though technically its not a cloud.
Interesting read.
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Why does it matters?
It's slow, first of all... You can clearly see the lag in windows animation, and don't even try to watch an animation with remote desktop, it's unbearable!
And, you NEED another computer/server to work it... So, this mean getting at least the hardware required, plus the licenses. Which would mean spending more than a Windows 8 tablet that would run smoother and natively.
Remote use is useful in small bites
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Technically you are correct, Windows is running on the server and tablet is just a client.
Though by "running" I mean one way of using Windows 8 on an Android tablet. And it might even be one of the best ways of using Win 8 on a tablet, because of a performance, battery efficiency, extra features and how easy is to set everything up. Yes, it has some trade-offs, it requires a fast connectivity and UI fluidity depends on connection.. but still it's a valid way of using Windows on a tablet. Even more advanced way, because all the latest and greatest technology moves to remote computing so called cloud.
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I use my Tab to run Windows XP when I am away from my office for a few hours. Using a blue tooth keyboard makes it pretty usable but having used Win8 I can definitely see where it would be easier with a touch screen. But it's not like being in front of the local OS. I also don't find Win8 very much fun without a touch screen anyway. I doubt anyone will get it to work natively on a Tab. So you are both right. It's not like being there but it's useful in small bites.
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Another thing that even $500 Microsoft Surface doesn't run any of standard Windows apps (only crap apps for Metro). And a full featured Surface Pro is super thick, heavy and even more insanely expensive $1000.
So it turns out that Windows 8 through remote desktop is one the best options for those, who want full featured Win 8 on a tablet.
Splashtop 2 updated its gestures to match Win 8. Pretty awesome since animations are almost seamless compared to remote desktop.
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Another thing that even $500 Microsoft Surface doesn't run any of standard Windows apps (only crap apps for Metro). And a full featured Surface Pro is super thick, heavy and even more insanely expensive $1000.
So it turns out that Windows 8 through remote desktop is one the best options for those, who want full featured Win 8 on a tablet.
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Or you could buy a x86/x64 tablet and run it natively, for less...
Not even possible.. windows 8 is not an open source..
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You do realise most x86/x64 tablet would come with Windows 8 already installed?
The main conscern exists: You have to pay for either a computer or a "server", for the nescessary license and you still won't be able to play videos or have a "lag free" experience like if you'd get a Win8 (with an intel atom or a core i3) and run every thing natively
Cool
I had done the same thing a few days ago and thought it was pretty cool , here how it works on my galaxy tab , I also have a video with it on my nexus 7 but that was before I worked out a few of the lag bugs.
I've also tested it off my local network and it has about the same performance since the bandwidth used by spashtop peaks around 250kbps this is ideal for goofing off with and having the feel of windows 8 on an android tablet. and I was able to verify that the multi touch works with 10 points ( not sure about any more only have ten fingers )
http://youtu.be/zYVPq_zUBWE
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ShawnsCompRepair said:
I had done the same thing a few days ago and thought it was pretty cool , here how it works on my galaxy tab , I also have a video with it on my nexus 7 but that was before I worked out a few of the lag bugs.
I've also tested it off my local network and it has about the same performance since the bandwidth used by spashtop peaks around 250kbps this is ideal for goofing off with and having the feel of windows 8 on an android tablet. and I was able to verify that the multi touch works with 10 points ( not sure about any more only have ten fingers )
http://youtu.be/zYVPq_zUBWE
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Its pretty lag free , for the most part . but when I first installed it, it was very sluggish. after adjusting the the cpu speeds on my tablet it started running smoother, just crank your minimum tablet cpu speed up to about 500mhz and it gets rid of most the lag, then on the virtual machine give it as much ram as you can , in this video I gave the virtual machine 4 cores and 2gb of ram , but I'm now running it with 6gb of ram its about as smooth as butter.
I'm an IT professional and was on site today at an office I work with that has an IT guy that works full time there and I was " Showing him my new windows 8 tablet " and he used it for about ten minutes before saying wait a minute I though this was supposed to have a kick stand in the back, then I came clean with him and he thought it was running natively , Fun fun ....
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Alright, so i have been intrigued through commcercials and all about how Windows 8 works. What i want to know is, is it worth upgrading to windows pro 8 without a touchscreen PC?
I have a home built PC (desktop) that is blazing fast, and i also have a 31 inch monitor that supports 1080p. Is paying $40.00 worth getting the new version of windows? Or should i just stay with windows 7.
Please feel free to explain why when you answer, thanks!
Do it. Use the desktop until you get used to metro or whatever its called. But once used to it its amazing. I was immediately used to W8 day one.
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It's worth the $40 upgrades are going for. On the desktop side, it's very fast and clean, I'm surprised at how much I like the new Window trim... No superfluous gloss and transparency, all business. There are some nice additions like drive encryption, the new backup tool (the old one is still there for those who prefer it, which I personally do), the new task manager and file copy UIs, and IE 10 is surprisingly fast stable and, from what I've read, secure.
On the Metro side... It's interesting, and I see the utility of it for tablets, but between my work, which requires heavy multitasking between applications, and just the way I've come to use my computer, again, multitasking, Metro's full screen nature relegates it to little more than a curiosity. I have dual quad core xeons, and two large monitors, so having such strict limitations on how many apps I can have on screen is a bit of a non-starter for me. That and full screen apps designed for a 10 inch screen running on a 30 inch, 2560x1600 res monitor border on absurd. I would use Metro a lot more, and I think it would be far more attractive, both in utility and aesthetically, if it adapted to make optimal use of the typical screen real estate available on desktops. Simply scaling apps up, resulting in 60, 80 and sometimes even higher point size type is anything but optimal.
Personally, after adding the $5 Start8 app to get my familiar start menu back, I've found 8 to be a nice upgrade from 7. I'd have never spent the normal $130 on it, but again, for the current $40, I think it's worth it. Hopefully Microsoft will improve Metro's ability to use and adapt to available system resources before Windows 9. I want to like it, but in its current form, on a desktop, it's, as I said, a bit of a curiosity.
Just my .02
I actually enjoy windows 8 when the metro UI is used as a supplement to the regular explorer. I.e. install start 8 or classic shell and boot straight to desktop, I use the metro UI plenty, but do not use it primarily. I got a 15 dollar pro key and free media center key, which makes it a pretty good value.
Overall the interface is a lot more pleasant than win 7, it's something different, and it's refreshing. I really don't miss Aero at all, most programs that work with win 7 work well with win 8, except some AV software. No I do not have a touch input device.
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-8/feature-packs
Thanks for the great input guys! Now with finding files and folders and such is it all still there? Is there instructions on how to use windows 8?
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Thanks for the great input guys! Now with finding files and folders and such is it all still there? Is there instructions on how to use windows 8?
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It's not immediately obvious but in the start screen you can start typing and it will search. Also there is a search button on the charms bar but that is pretty pointless unless you want to search within an app like iHeartRadio for example.
Replying from so bare with me.
I work in a retail environment and I had to teach older adults about windows 8. I've learned that I'm not very fond of 8 on touch devices.
Truth is I've just gotten use to my mouse with windows 8.
Just remember the 4 corners get you around. Windows key gets you back to the launcher and windows+d gets you to classic mode .
I didn't explain it very elegantly but its pretty simple
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IMO it's not worth upgrading if you have Windows 7 already (especially if you don't have touch) but if you're going to buy a new PC you should just get Windows 8
For 40 bux that's a steal! Touch screen or not at least having a legit copy for future use is totally worth it. I remember almost getting a copy of Windows Vista Home Premium for 299... 2 effing 99!! for a crappy version of Windows, and this! Windows 8 for 40 bux! Officially! Not to mention it works either way, touch screen or not.
Here's a summary I posted elsewhere:
Multimonitor support overhaul
File Explorer improvements with ribbon
Shorter boot times
Security enhancements
Faster file copying that can be paused and maintains a single window
Redesigned task manager
Integrated social and calendar applications
Native .iso mounting
Better battery usage
Cloud synchronization
File History continuous sequential backups
Backups to network drives
chkdsk that will take 10 secs each and every time rather than hours
Storage spaces for multiple hard drives (Like an OS-based RAID 0 or 1)
50% less RAM usage
Tighter CPU control
3G data monitoring
Vastly superior conflict resolution when copying files so you know exactly which files will be replaced and the exact differences
Copy/delete jobs that never stop halfway with an "are you sure?" message while you're AFK
Easy refresh and reset options in case of operating system failure
Windows Update which is now COMPLETELY automated and will never show a single popup ever again
UEFI motherboard support
Native USB 3.0 support
With the other, miscellaneous stuff like HYPER-V and other things that don't affect me- but may be of great use to others.
It's all the little changes that are everywhere that make the update worthwhile.
I have to agree. Make sure you try storage spaces. I have a bunch of drive installed now with all my media and I can add and swap drives as my media library grows.
We'll see how much I like once the first drive fails though.
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Here's a summary I posted elsewhere:
Multimonitor support overhaul
File Explorer improvements with ribbon
Shorter boot times
Security enhancements
Faster file copying that can be paused and maintains a single window
Redesigned task manager
Integrated social and calendar applications
Native .iso mounting
Better battery usage
Cloud synchronization
File History continuous sequential backups
Backups to network drives
chkdsk that will take 10 secs each and every time rather than hours
Storage spaces for multiple hard drives (Like an OS-based RAID 0 or 1)
50% less RAM usage
Tighter CPU control
3G data monitoring
Vastly superior conflict resolution when copying files so you know exactly which files will be replaced and the exact differences
Copy/delete jobs that never stop halfway with an "are you sure?" message while you're AFK
Easy refresh and reset options in case of operating system failure
Windows Update which is now COMPLETELY automated and will never show a single popup ever again
UEFI motherboard support
Native USB 3.0 support
With the other, miscellaneous stuff like HYPER-V and other things that don't affect me- but may be of great use to others.
It's all the little changes that are everywhere that make the update worthwhile.
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Thanks for putting it down in a way that people could truly understand. I kinda think people just look at the surface (no pun intended) and don't take into consideration the overhauled system. The day to day performance gain is noticeable.
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Easy refresh and reset options in case of operating system failure
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IMO best feature ever for Windows. Never thought i'll see this in windows.
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IMO best feature ever for Windows. Never thought i'll see this in windows.
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Reportedly it doesn't work too well...
This review is on Windows 8 w/o touch on a multi monitor setup.
http://www.davejunia.com/2012/10/windows-8-a-detailed-review/
Broken down to traditional desktop, modern ui and windows store.
That was a good review. It made high lights of the good without sounding like a cry baby afraid of change
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installed and adopted at office and home
- many people at office installed it on their laptop, and desktop and no complain/
Totally worth it,
and YES we can play STEAM game (for those who would like to know)
But my advice... installing windows 8 should be done on SSD.... a huge difference from office and home startup and program starting...
Home : Intel 520 - 240GB SSD
Office : poor old HDD sata 2 160GB
Enjoy
junialum said:
This review is on Windows 8 w/o touch on a multi monitor setup.
http://www.davejunia.com/2012/10/windows-8-a-detailed-review/
Broken down to traditional desktop, modern ui and windows store.
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hazard99 said:
That was a good review. It made high lights of the good without sounding like a cry baby afraid of change
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Thanks. The main idea was to give a direct non biased objective view.
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Thanks for the great input guys! Now with finding files and folders and such is it all still there? Is there instructions on how to use windows 8?
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There are instructions during the last few steps of installation.
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Dell Venue 8 Pro is $229 now at Walmart. I so appreciate the roms here but sometimes wonder if Android is too limited.
I hate Windows 8 and avoid it on my desktop. I run win 7.
Sometimes websites just dont work well on android and flash is always a problem.
Would you return your Nexus 7 2013 for an even exchange of a Dell Venue 8 Pro?
Holysmoke99 said:
Would you return your Nexus 7 2013 for an even exchange of a Dell Venue 8 Pro?
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No. The resolution is too low, 8" is slightly too large for most of my pockets and I don't miss Windows 8 applications while I'm on the go. I have an 11.6" 2in1 convertible tablet with a digitizer for my work related stuff and my Nexus 7 is purely for entertainment and consumption. For that, Android is well enough and the pros it has far outweigh the cons for me.
Now, if the Dell had HDMI/DP output, full sized USB ports, a normal SD slot or at least a 128GB SSD and a digitizer with a quad core Kabini, that might have swayed me.
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No. The resolution is too low, 8" is slightly too large for most of my pockets and I don't miss Windows 8 applications while I'm on the go. I have an 11.6" 2in1 convertible tablet with a digitizer for my work related stuff and my Nexus 7 is purely for entertainment and consumption. For that, Android is well enough and the pros it has far outweigh the cons for me.
Now, if the Dell had HDMI/DP output, full sized USB ports, a normal SD slot or at least a 128GB SSD and a digitizer with a quad core Kabini, that might have swayed me.
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8" is too small to run windows in a desktop environment. I can hardly find my way around with big fingers. so then you need apps to make the tablet usable but then you remember win8 apps are non existent.
I agree with all - 8 inch is way too small for real Windows desktop. Android is perfect for 7, 8 inch tablets.
Also, media consumption isn't where it should be on windows tablets, yet.
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I checked that today.
the Dell seem to be a nice tablet but 32gig is not enough for window 8.
for now I stick with window 7 on a old netbook and my n7.
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Also, media consumption isn't where it should be on windows tablets, yet.
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What are you talking about? Windows doesn't lack media options at all. In fact, it's one of the few platforms that can play basically everything. Even 1080p 10 bit h264 plays without dropped frames on a Dell Venue 8 Pro.
I have a Venue 8 Pro I'm playing with now, and I'm so tempted to switch at times. Metro performance is way ahead of any Android device in scrolling and loading. Metro IE is actually amazing fast and Chrome on desktop is about Chrome on Android. And despite running a full desktop and apps, it seems to keep programs in memory longer.
Unfortunately, while Metro app performance is really good, it's still seriously lacking in basic apps. There's basically 1 choice for IM outside of Skype. Only Metro apps have connected standby and get notifications when the tablet is asleep, so it's a major drawback. The virtual keyboard also doesn't seem to do any autocorrect on desktop, making typing a major pain.
I'm really torn. The 2 problems I have with it are major problems for me, but on the other hand, there's the performance and the ability to run basically any old program.
There's also a 64 GB version and microSD, so storage isn't that much of an issue.
No way. I'd get one of the Galaxy tabs. If only for the reason that the Windows devices don't have much market penetration, and they are not at least semi open source like Android. Fragmentation has become less of an issue in my opinion as Android matures.
I just read an article yesterday that Windows 8 use dropped, just a tiny amount, while Windows 7 went up a bit.
Windows tablets will be like the Windows media players. While working well enough for purple who prefer them, their numbers will plateau at a fairly low percentage while the numbers for Android/iDevices will go up. To me that matters.
And I like Android, a lot.
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I think it depends on what you want to use that tablet for. I agree with the others that the screen is too small for it to really be a productivity tablet, so then its more for consumables and I'd pick the higher resolution of the 7.
Rick
Holysmoke99 said:
Dell Venue 8 Pro is $229 now at Walmart. I so appreciate the roms here but sometimes wonder if Android is too limited.
I hate Windows 8 and avoid it on my desktop. I run win 7.
Sometimes websites just dont work well on android and flash is always a problem.
Would you return your Nexus 7 2013 for an even exchange of a Dell Venue 8 Pro?
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Where is it for 229.00 I see it in Wal-Mart for 269.00
I actually did the total opposite! I bought the Dell Venue Pro 8 and after a few days, returned it and picked up a N7, and I am very glad I did. The v8p is a very nice device, however I found that I prefer Android...and if one is using android then the N7 is boss!
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In case anyone hasn't noticed, Dell Venue 8 Pro will be on sale next Monday morning(Dec 9) for $99 at Microsoft Stores.
Just get both.
Unless you're comfortable with an external bluetooth mouse you're not going to want a Venue 8 Pro. Desktop applications + touch screen Win 8 =
Trust me, I have a touch screen laptop. You use the touch screen for Metro apps. the occasional scrolling/zooming, and that's about it.
EDIT: but for $99...
ben00 said:
Where is it for 229.00 I see it in Wal-Mart for 269.00
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OP posted the price on Nov 26th and during the sale week of black friday, you responded 8 days later so ya.... I am sure there is most likely a price difference now on most items :laugh:
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Unless you're comfortable with an external bluetooth mouse you're not going to want a Venue 8 Pro. Desktop applications + touch screen Win 8 =
Trust me, I have a touch screen laptop. You use the touch screen for Metro apps. the occasional scrolling/zooming, and that's about it.
EDIT: but for $99...
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I am using this tool, no Bluetooth mouse is needed.
http://www.lovesummertrue.com/touchmousepointer/en-us/
I have to say after picking up the HP Omni 10 Win8.1 tablet, I've grown to prefer it over Android. I can actually watch any movie files and things just work and not in a limited way. Everything is smooth and no crashes...yet but it's still windows after all. Still have the N7FHD of course for app games and such.
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No way. I'd get one of the Galaxy tabs. If only for the reason that the Windows devices don't have much market penetration, and they are not at least semi open source like Android. Fragmentation has become less of an issue in my opinion as Android matures.
I just read an article yesterday that Windows 8 use dropped, just a tiny amount, while Windows 7 went up a bit.
Windows tablets will be like the Windows media players. While working well enough for purple who prefer them, their numbers will plateau at a fairly low percentage while the numbers for Android/iDevices will go up. To me that matters.
And I like Android, a lot.
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I have the venue 8pro. And a Nexus 7 2013.
Market penetration means nothing when it comes to personal use and functionality.
They are totally different devices.
Windows 8 isn't the best tablet os, but it's great if you want a portable device to do Microsoft work.
For regular use I prefer the Nexus because Android allows me to install
3rd party keyboards and I've grown accustomed to using SwiftKey. So for the Windows 8 tab my opinion is that the keyboard needs vast improvement if you're gonna use it like an android tab.
Speed wise venue 8 pro is not bad. I recommend getting the 64gb version cause 32 fills up fast!
-Wizzle
I hated the Venue 8 pro so much that I returned it hours after purchasing.
Windows on an 8" screen is such a joke. Metro apps are such a joke.
Windows is for large monitors. Android is for small screens. :silly:
Holysmoke99 said:
I hated the Venue 8 pro so much that I returned it hours after purchasing.
Windows on an 8" screen is such a joke. Metro apps are such a joke.
Windows is for large monitors. Android is for small screens. :silly:
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Yea. Windows RT isn't even full windows. Just a few Microsoft mobilized apps and some apps.
I honestly see using an 10" iPad or Android Tab for normal use, and remote desktop into a Windows 8 PC for business.
I do this now and its great. 1 PC at the office and I can manipulate my files and email them out all from my couch or hotel room. Sure its not going to allow graphic artistry or anything crazy, but Office and Email is perfect. I can operate our ticketing application with ease.
With this method you get the best of both. A solid mobile OS with tons of development and entertainment, and Remote Desktop for work stuff.
You can't remote desktop into an Android or iOS device.
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Yea. Windows RT isn't even full windows. Just a few Microsoft mobilized apps and some apps.
I honestly see using an 10" iPad or Android Tab for normal use, and remote desktop into a Windows 8 PC for business.
I do this now and its great. 1 PC at the office and I can manipulate my files and email them out all from my couch or hotel room. Sure its not going to allow graphic artistry or anything crazy, but Office and Email is perfect. I can operate our ticketing application with ease.
With this method you get the best of both. A solid mobile OS with tons of development and entertainment, and Remote Desktop for work stuff.
You can't remote desktop into an Android or iOS device.
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Dell Venue 8 Pro runs Full Windows 8, not RT.
It doesn't take advantage of all that screen real estate. No multi window support, one handed mode etc. No real features that make use of the larger screen. Google tends to just plonk bare minimum stock Android onto their devices without really optimizing it for that specific screen.
Am I still getting the N6? Of course, I am. I can't stand lag wiz and I enjoy fast and latest updates. I'll just have to look into the Play Store for apps that make help me take advantage of the bigger screen and hopefully, some ROMs come out that do the same.
Okay.
There's already a thread for this.
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I think the onus is on the app developers to implement these things. I have multi window and one handed operation on my Note 3 and tried both....once....then realized I didn't want to do anything on half of a 5.7" screen.....and can use the phone with one hand fine when needed. The one handed Samsung feature defeats the purpose of having a large screen to begin with.
We have a thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/general/note-4-vs-nexus-6-t2906800
I think this might be the first time I've heard this argument /sarcasm
People actually care about multi window ?
htowngator said:
People actually care about multi window ?
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Some apparently do. I couldn't stand it. There is nothing I do on my phone that can't be put away in order to do something else. These screens are already tiny. I couldn't even really do multiwindow on a pc effectively until 24" or larger monitors came around.....
chancy319 said:
It doesn't take advantage of all that screen real estate. No multi window support, one handed mode etc. No real features that make use of the larger screen. Google tends to just plonk bare minimum stock Android onto their devices without really optimizing it for that specific screen.
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Sounds like you should get the Note 4. From your statement above you are bagging on stock Android which is why you buy a Nexus to begin with.
Multi-window seems a bit stupid on a screen 6" or smaller anyway. On a computer is one thing. But having two windows open that aren't even 3 inches tall.... what's the point?
And one-handed mode.... is what people call a mode for those too lazy to USE THE OTHER HAND! If you're in a situation where your other hand isn't free to do something on your phone... then i'm pretty sure that's not a situation where your phone should be a priority.... like DRIVING.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/1...-early-multi-window-explorations-for-android/
Multi-Window...
I have had the Note 1, 2 and 3. I think the only time I ever use Multi-Window is to show off. My son uses the stylus to draw and yea, its a media device 90% of the time.
Please use the existing thread HERE