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10 inch is great for multi-window multitasking especially considering the lack of tablet optimized Android apps. But is it available on the Nexus 10 out of box considering Samsung's own Note 10.1 does split-screen, if not can it be upgraded with no root or in any other way?
Could be a dealbreaker. The 2,56k Nexus 10 is perfect for multitasking and lacking such awesomeness would be disappointing.
Something like Galaxy Note? It would be great but no mention of it in the reviews.
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It's unlikely. The thing with nexus devices is that you need to forget who manufactured it.
Unless the standard android build tree implements a multi windows feature, no nexus device will have it.
It's a trade off, because devices like my S3 and the Note etc come with fantastic Samsung features like the notes app, multi window, smart stay, additional code licences and such, but you sacrifice update frequency.
The point here is that this device gets pure, unadulterated, Android, and all the features (or lack thereof) that comes with it.
Either way, ill be buying one, and waiting for ParanoidAndroid to come along so I can get rid of the crappy Phablet UI, which I personally think is a mistake on a device like this.
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That's too bad. The crowd clearly wants multitasking and the 10" screen and high resolution is fitting for split screen, a big hit and miss by Google. Or maybe Samsung wants to keep it in house? Disappointing either way, splitting the screen into 4:3 for Chrome and 1:3 for Twitter/chat/music/calculator/notepad etc. would give enough pixels for both. To not have that option on most tablets is kinda shocking. What else do you wish to use the big screen for if not comfort?
I'm on GB on my phone. Is there a simple way to switch between apps on JB?
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That's too bad. The crowd clearly wants multitasking and the 10" screen and high resolution is fitting for split screen, a big hit and miss by Google. Or maybe Samsung wants to keep it in house? Disappointing either way, splitting the screen into 4:3 for Chrome and 1:3 for Twitter/chat/music/calculator/notepad etc. would give enough pixels for both. To not have that option on most tablets is kinda shocking. What else do you wish to use the big screen for if not comfort?
I'm on GB on my phone. Is there a simple way to switch between apps on JB?
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Yeh, the problem, is that Samsung's multi-window feature is just that, Samsung's. They paid and spent the time to develop it in house, it's their own functionality, it cost them time and effort and is a selling point for their own devices such as the Galaxy Note 2.
As for JB, there is the "recent" menu, which is usually surfaced as an on screen button on some devices, or a press and hold of home on others, for switching apps. It's really no different to that of GB, except that it gives thumbnails of the apps instead of just icons.
Samsung cheated their way to multi-screen view... only one app is in the foreground, so it's not really multi-tasking. They did a serious hack job of the android os in order to make it happen. If you want it done right, wait for Google to do it.
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I want multiview on GSIII
maybe it would be possible to run an app at qhd resolution or so as a widget on your home screen. you could put 2 or 3 on the 10 inch screen and just use them all simultaneously. anyone have any idea?
also, i found this on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOqBAfMwCAc
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Yeh, the problem, is that Samsung's multi-window feature is just that, Samsung's. They paid and spent the time to develop it in house, it's their own functionality, it cost them time and effort and is a selling point for their own devices such as the Galaxy Note 2.
As for JB, there is the "recent" menu, which is usually surfaced as an on screen button on some devices, or a press and hold of home on others, for switching apps. It's really no different to that of GB, except that it gives thumbnails of the apps instead of just icons.
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Yeah, but this is a Samsung tab, and as much as it runs "pure Android", they could've easily throw multi-view in and sell it with that feature, it's pretty evident THIS is the device to challenge the iPad, not the Note 10.1.
It also doesn't take a genius at Google to develop split-screen tasking, don't think it requires too many resources either. HW's ready, SW's ready, we are ready. Where's split screen multitasking on the 10" tablets?
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Yeah, but this is a Samsung tab, and as much as it runs "pure Android", they could've easily throw multi-view in and sell it with that feature, it's pretty evident THIS is the device to challenge the iPad, not the Note 10.1.
It also doesn't take a genius at Google to develop split-screen tasking, don't think it requires too many resources either. HW's ready, SW's ready, we are ready. Where's split screen multitasking on the 10" tablets?
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I will repeat, Samsung hacked up the os...
Granted, there's no excuse for Google not being able to implement it if Samsung could
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okay
If not multi-window... what apps have big tab widgets to split the screen that way?
Mobo player let's you multi screen, when watching a video you can hit the home button and it will bring you to the desktop but have the video playing in a resizeable box... Was actually really nice ,made me want it on all the apps :'(
Sadly, I don't think Google wants multi window functionality in Android. In general, they seem fine with Android for tablets just being a dumb device for media consumption. I think the tablet UI change is an example of Google dumbing down the UI by wasting screen real estate, etc.
Additionally, A developer from Google threatened CyanogenMod when they showed interest in using and improving a 3rd party's implementation of multi window for ICS. Google is worried that supporting multi window will make it harder on app developers because there would be even more size and layout variations that developers would need to test and support.
I personally think it is very important for Google to support this. Windows 8 tablets already have support for multi window.
Back to my original point, a 7" fits Google's current direction of being mostly a dumb device for media consumption. However, 10" tablets needs to be something more than that to justify the price and lack of portability compared to a 7" tablet.
Damn, the new multi-view looks better than ever!
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Damn, the new multi-view looks better than ever!
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Now thats som good stuff
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It's unlikely. The thing with nexus devices is that you need to forget who manufactured it.
Unless the standard android build tree implements a multi windows feature, no nexus device will have it.
It's a trade off, because devices like my S3 and the Note etc come with fantastic Samsung features like the notes app, multi window, smart stay, additional code licences and such, but you sacrifice update frequency.
The point here is that this device gets pure, unadulterated, Android, and all the features (or lack thereof) that comes with it.
Either way, ill be buying one, and waiting for ParanoidAndroid to come along so I can get rid of the crappy Phablet UI, which I personally think is a mistake on a device like this.
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While I agree i dont like the UI on a nexus 7. For example isnt the native apps on a n7 single pane, like gmail on a phone?
On the nexus 10, gmail, talk, email, and the like are all 2 pane applications. My only complaint about the UI on the N10 is that the home back and multitask buttons allways stay in the middle of the screen. i think they should be to one side or the other for easier access with your thumb.
Also i would love to have multi window support on my n10 which is how i came opon this thread, but i will wait for google to implement it. while the different versions of android (touchwiz motoblur etc.) have come a long way none of them are as smooth or operate as clean as stock android. When and if google creates multi window support it will work flawlessly.
This is standard on the note 2 now right?
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This is standard on the note 2 now right?
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I have the att note 2 and I can watch a movie or video in a window while texting or whatever. You can move the video around on the screen too. Had it on my international i9300 too.
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It´s open source now. Why no one implement this in his rom for n10 ?
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I just had to do it. All the hype, all the articles, the lure of OneNote's full power. I had to drop $1000 on a Surface Pro just to see what the fuss was about. Hell, I could always return it but I had to know for myself.
I truly truly HATED the Surface Pro. Here is as short list of what sucks:
1) It's HOT. How hot? After holding it for 30 minutes I felt like I had grabbed a ceramic cup I heated in the microwave. My hand was actually bright red. I have no idea how any sane person could stand holding this toaster over in their hands for any period of time.
2) It's HEAVY. How heavy? Big piece of metal heavy. Also because of it's hard angles it is no fun to hold.
3) It is IMPOSSIBLE TO USE IN PORTRAIT. I mean, this tablet must be a foot high in portrait. If you are trying to type on the soft keyboard the keys are literally 10 inches from the words you are typing so thumb typing is pointless.
4) Considering this has an i5 CPU it actually lags. Scrolling on web pages stutters and dragging pictures across OneNote jerks around like mad (this may actually be a feature of OneNote as it snaps to a grid - so not a bug necessarily).
5) Firefox (if you like that browser) is a DISASTER on this. Pinch to zoom is total fail. Again a lag fest.
6) 1920 x 1080 may sound awesome but on a tablet this small it's not. Even zoomed at 150% text and icons can be tiny and very hard to click.
7) Windows 8 is a schizophrenic mess even on this. Whoever decided Metro was a good idea HAD to be high.
8) The included stylus has a hard plastic tip. Hard plastic tip on slick glass equals HARD TO WRITE. The Note 10.1's rubber tipped stylus is far better.
9) The Surface Pro is not designed to be a tablet. It is more like an ultrabook with a removable keyboard and a pen that you can hold in your hands (if you must).
Why did I write this? Well, if like me you have felt tempted by the Surface Pro and access to full blown OneNote with inking, I wanted to put your mind at rest - don't. The Note 10.1 is a far more "useable" tablet for half the cash.
I totally agree with everything you wrote. My company has given me a surface Pro to test out and I would add the following to your list:
Battery life is only about 4 hours so you are forced to have extra chargers, one for home and one for the office.
The size of the charger is huge. Its a small brick!
There is no silo for the pen! You are supposed to attach the pen in the magnetized power port which means that any little bump and you lose the pen. I give Samsung a lot of credit of delaying the release of the Note 10.1 to redesign a silo for the Spen.
The things I like about the Pro is having Office 2013 and the keyboard cover. However, I actually do not like OneNote. I prefer SNote a hundred times. There is an SNote app for Windows 8 but only for Samsung branded devices. I wish they would make it available for all.
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I just had to do it. All the hype, all the articles, the lure of OneNote's full power. I had to drop $1000 on a Surface Pro just to see what the fuss was about. Hell, I could always return it but I had to know for myself.
I truly truly HATED the Surface Pro. Here is as short list of what sucks:
1) It's HOT. How hot? After holding it for 30 minutes I felt like I had grabbed a ceramic cup I heated in the microwave. My hand was actually bright red. I have no idea how any sane person could stand holding this toaster over in their hands for any period of time.
2) It's HEAVY. How heavy? Big piece of metal heavy. Also because of it's hard angles it is no fun to hold.
3) It is IMPOSSIBLE TO USE IN PORTRAIT. I mean, this tablet must be a foot high in portrait. If you are trying to type on the soft keyboard the keys are literally 10 inches from the words you are typing so thumb typing is pointless.
4) Considering this has an i5 CPU it actually lags. Scrolling on web pages stutters and dragging pictures across OneNote jerks around like mad (this may actually be a feature of OneNote as it snaps to a grid - so not a bug necessarily).
5) Firefox (if you like that browser) is a DISASTER on this. Pinch to zoom is total fail. Again a lag fest.
6) 1920 x 1080 may sound awesome but on a tablet this small it's not. Even zoomed at 150% text and icons can be tiny and very hard to click.
7) Windows 8 is a schizophrenic mess even on this. Whoever decided Metro was a good idea HAD to be high.
8) The included stylus has a hard plastic tip. Hard plastic tip on slick glass equals HARD TO WRITE. The Note 10.1's rubber tipped stylus is far better.
9) The Surface Pro is not designed to be a tablet. It is more like an ultrabook with a removable keyboard and a pen that you can hold in your hands (if you must).
Why did I write this? Well, if like me you have felt tempted by the Surface Pro and access to full blown OneNote with inking, I wanted to put your mind at rest - don't. The Note 10.1 is a far more "useable" tablet for half the cash.
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Why don't you try out one of the Samsung Atom Tablets and let us know your experience.
The Atom editions should solve issues:
1 & 2.
If you install and Dual Boot Android 4.0 x86, then that should solve issues:
3,4,5,6,7
Thus, you can retain the convenience of the Android OS and have the power of Windows 8 without carrying more than 1 device.
I played with one at local store. Win 8 is just not a touch environment. Metro was a try and fix. Microsoft will have to forget they own windows and start thinking fresh to compete with android and crapple. Which both rather you dislike either of the two are becoming very mature and complete operating systems build around your fingers. Not a true business class os patched to try and compete. I will also add tablet software is getting better at productivity and will eventually be able to compete with the true ms type program's. The power of these device's are amazing. If you need full productive programs for now stick with a ultra book type notebook computer. The note 10.1 is the second best thing to that. There is no 3rd place device
My opinion of course conclusion is get a traditional notebook or a note 10.1 tablet
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@mitchellvii
Why don't you try out one of the Samsung Atom Tablets and let us know your experience.
The Atom editions should solve issues:
1 & 2.
If you install and Dual Boot Android 4.0 x86, then that should solve issues:
3,4,5,6,7
Thus, you can retain the convenience of the Android OS and have the power of Windows 8 without carrying more than 1 device.
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I can't say I agree that Android x86 is a solution. I don't even know how easy it'd be to install on the Pro. Android x86 project has come a long way but there are still issues with it, once it's as easy as just compiling it to x86 then let's talk
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was walking around the mall and finally saw a surface pro. funny thing is i just read the ts mention the things yesterday. the thing that mostly stuck out was the weight. so first thing i did was pick it up. man that is like picking up a plate of iron... couldnt really get anything going well in the few minutes i messed with it. win8 definately not something for me. nor is carrying around an iron plate...
from a traveling salesman's viewpoint, I love it. I am able to install and run various programs such as AutoCAD (with wedge mouse), a custom estimating software...
Granted the battery life could be better, but I'm able to make sales calls and RDP for my office desktop printouts/updates on the unit without having to charge through a moderate days work. I've never had the heat buildup as described in the first post and it does not have the apps you'll find in the play store. but for a laptop replacement you can travel light with, love it.
FWIW
I think Microsoft has missed the boat. They're obviously not getting Voice of Customer, but are getting voice of Developers when they make these products. Apple figured out what MOST people want for a tablet. Android is assuredly closing that gap and raising the bar (S-Pen). I would recommend that Windows quit trying to compete but get smart and work with Android, so both can crush the Apple serpent.
I have been using Samsung's Ativ Pro for some months now... err... not using at all. It just sits there. Microsoft has missed the train of the mobile age. Because of battery issues it just cant stand by like İOS or Android, it just goes to deep sleep and you cant get your push messages from Facebook.. and no e-mail alerts. I agree it is a detachable ultrabook. I love my Galaxy note II and 10.1, and hardly use my Ipad4.
I actually like the Surface Pro, but it's definitely NOT the same as this tablet. I mean, the Surface is definitely not a.. use-anywhere kind of tablet (I mean, its main "attraction" is that keyboard which really just means that it's not in the same tablet market). So, I'd say that you have to change your expectations because it is definitely an ultrabook in disguise.
The battery life would stop me switching. With my screen brightness turned down I can get a full day at uni out of my note (~ 8 hours) which is fantastic
Mixed feelings...
The weird beveled sides are weird and makes it hard to hold.
The battery life is terrible - even for a full i5 slate.
It is chunky.
I have a Samsung Series 7 slate, which was the reference platform for Win8 and it's a lot better.
As for Win8 itself - yep.. schizophrenic is a good description. You're using desktop and suddenly you're in Metro. You're using Metro and suddenly you're in the desktop. You want to run something - and bam back in Metro - except it's not all your apps - just some of them so over to search which shows you all your apps.
Bring up the keyboard in Metro, things work ok (mostly). Do it in desktop - and it's a crapshoot as to whether it'll come up automatically - and when it does it rearranges your desktop.
Bah.
Sounds like its quite aways from general populations
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I purchased this over the weekend the surface pro 128gb version with type cover. im loving the experience with it so far. its a great and powerful device. no lag at all unlike what the op mentioned. lol
I too had the Pro. It was a very good ultra book (the best out there, in my opinion) that had a kick ass Wacom digitizer, awesome specs (the hard drive is fast as ****) and excellent style. I had it for five months and didn't regret it at all. I found it to be quite light, though obviously not as light as my Note.
It was just a ****ty tablet. Heavy (for a tab), terrible battery life and no Metro apps that are worth having. I used the Desktop most of the time, even after moving to 8.1. Shame, really; I think Metro is a fantastic platform for tablets.
I actually didn't know the Note 10.1 existed until I sold it off last week. I would have never bought it if I did, seeing how it is $500 more. The Note is so much better (right now), since it does everything my Pro did but with more battery, less weight and a Chrome browser that is actually functional. In fact, I found my Note to be easier for reading than my Nexus 7 and sold that off too! The Surface was too heavy for me to read on, and there were no apps for that anyway.
Its screen resolution kind of bites and I miss having a kickstand, but other than that I'm super happy to have sold it off.
If it wasn't for the battery life, I would have bought the surface pro over the note, although I don't plan on using the metro UI at all. I've used it for a total of about an hour and while using the regular desktop in touch mode I didn't run across any issues. Most things there an app for on android you can do through a full Web browser or there's a regular windows program for.
Part of me wants to say that if you're just Web browsing and watching movies then android is a good pick, but I'm getting fed up with pages not loading correctly when trying to browse the Internet. Half of the Web based ebooks I use for school either don't load or have issues.
From a hardware standpoint, I'm never holding my tablet straight out without it resting on something, so weight wouldn't be a issue. If I personally wanted a super casual tablet, I think a cheap 7" tablet like the Nexus 7 would be much better and more comfortable.
It amazes me how quick people are to criticize windows 8. All the metro UI really is is a new start menu that's more touch friendly. Tablet users complain there are no apps, yet have thousands of full blown windows apps they can use. Desktop users complain the start button is gone when all they have to do is hover in the same spot and it appears.
I've been researching for a new tablet or convertible to bring to school there are too many negative reviews for windows 8 for ridiculous reasons. No YouTube app? Guess what, I can play flash in the web browser. The drop box app isn't very good? Guess what, I can install the regular windows program and get two way sync. No email notifications in standby mode? My guess is you have an android phone going off right next to wherever your tablet is anyway.
Lastly, the surface pro is a hybrid device. So it isn't going to be the perfect tablet or the perfect ultra book. Its for people who want a mix of the two. For a device that's been out for nearly nine months, some of these complaints shouldn't be much of a surprise. I don't think its justified to make a thread bashing the product because you failed evaluate your wants and needs and didn't research a $1000 tablet.
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Sher The Love said:
If it wasn't for the battery life, I would have bought the surface pro over the note, although I don't plan on using the metro UI at all. I've used it for a total of about an hour and while using the regular desktop in touch mode I didn't run across any issues. Most things there an app for on android you can do through a full Web browser or there's a regular windows program for.
Part of me wants to say that if you're just Web browsing and watching movies then android is a good pick, but I'm getting fed up with pages not loading correctly when trying to browse the Internet. Half of the Web based ebooks I use for school either don't load or have issues.
From a hardware standpoint, I'm never holding my tablet straight out without it resting on something, so weight wouldn't be a issue. If I personally wanted a super casual tablet, I think a cheap 7" tablet like the Nexus 7 would be much better and more comfortable.
It amazes me how quick people are to criticize windows 8. All the metro UI really is is a new start menu that's more touch friendly. Tablet users complain there are no apps, yet have thousands of full blown windows apps they can use. Desktop users complain the start button is gone when all they have to do is hover in the same spot and it appears.
I've been researching for a new tablet or convertible to bring to school there are too many negative reviews for windows 8 for ridiculous reasons. No YouTube app? Guess what, I can play flash in the web browser. The drop box app isn't very good? Guess what, I can install the regular windows program and get two way sync. No email notifications in standby mode? My guess is you have an android phone going off right next to wherever your tablet is anyway.
Lastly, the surface pro is a hybrid device. So it isn't going to be the perfect tablet or the perfect ultra book. Its for people who want a mix of the two. For a device that's been out for nearly nine months, some of these complaints shouldn't be much of a surprise. I don't think its justified to make a thread bashing the product because you failed evaluate your wants and needs and didn't research a $1000 tablet.
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The drop box app isn't very good? Guess what, I can install the regular windows program and get two way sync.
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This feature was an unexpected gem for me. Before if I drew something in Sketchbook on the Note, I had to hit the share button, and pick a format to export to the cloud. Now, I just save it to my Dropbox folder (which I set as the default location), and it'll show up in on my desktop when I get home.
I've been using a Samsung Ativ 500T for a few weeks now, and I actually really like it. The main reason I bought it was I was getting tired of my Note botching all the formulas when I tried to open up an Excel spreadsheet in Polaris, QuickOffice, Google Doc (or fill in your Office Suite). The formatting also became funny on Word docs after opening in one of the above mentioned apps. I'm even able to run PS7 (I'm an amateur, so I don't need CS5 or later).
Of course this device is not perfect. As a straight replacement for a Note or iPad on the go, I still like the Note better. Screen rotation is a bit wonky sometimes on the Ativ. Although the wide screen is great for productivity, it's a bit unweildy, especially in portrait. There is connected standby, but not sure if it stays connected even in deep sleep. So, e-mails don't get come in when I'm asleep. Certain functions also don't work while in deep sleep: I haven't found a decent alarm app I can use (I used my Note as a backup alarm in case I didn't wake up to my phone).
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This feature was an unexpected gem for me. Before if I drew something in Sketchbook on the Note, I had to hit the share button, and pick a format to export to the cloud. Now, I just save it to my Dropbox folder (which I set as the default location), and it'll show up in on my desktop when I get home.
I've been using a Samsung Ativ 500T for a few weeks now, and I actually really like it. The main reason I bought it was I was getting tired of my Note botching all the formulas when I tried to open up an Excel spreadsheet in Polaris, QuickOffice, Google Doc (or fill in your Office Suite). The formatting also became funny on Word docs after opening in one of the above mentioned apps. I'm even able to run PS7 (I'm an amateur, so I don't need CS5 or later).
Of course this device is not perfect. As a straight replacement for a Note or iPad on the go, I still like the Note better. Screen rotation is a bit wonky sometimes on the Ativ. Although the wide screen is great for productivity, it's a bit unweildy, especially in portrait. There is connected standby, but not sure if it stays connected even in deep sleep. So, e-mails don't get come in when I'm asleep. Certain functions also don't work while in deep sleep: I haven't found a decent alarm app I can use (I used my Note as a backup alarm in case I didn't wake up to my phone).
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I sold my note and got a 500T a little over a month ago. While I'm not completely satisfied due to the speed, it's far better than the note was for school. I knew it would be slow, but I got it to hold me off till some newer haswell convertibles came out. Glad I bought the note and 500T refurbished for under $360.
In my opinion, Onenote is much better than anything on android. Especially being able to print full webpages to it. It helps when most of my accounting homework is online based. I can print to onenote and have detailed notes and the problems worked out. I could even get these pages to load correctly on my Note.
I just pre-ordered the Surface Pro 2 for my wife. We got the 256GB option. She wants to be able to consolidate her notebook and Note 10.1 into 1 device. She's a mechanical engineering major and will be running CAD, Matlab, etc and also has a lot of Office oriented and online homework. I think mainly she wants a computer where she can take equation heavy notes on without having to worry what to do on which device and forget about file syncing. Her current notebook is heavy @ 5lbs. Does this seem reasonable or are we asking for a $1500 headache? I keep saying it's going to a heavy tablet. She keeps saying but it's going to be a light notebook. Notifications don't matter since she has an Android phone. We're selling her Note 10.1 to a friend to help finance the Surface Pro 2 so that won't be available to her. I'm excited but nervous at this point.
Hello, I am using the Note 2 LTE and the PRO 12.2 LTE. I am planning to buy either the Note 4 or the new Gear S. Sure the Note 2 and Note 4 are smaller than the PRO 12.2. The latter can do almost all the things that the Note 2 and 4 are capable of (can we upgrade the software of the PRO to the ones used in Note 4?). For me, the main use of the Note 4 and Gear S is: phone calls. I guess I can do it with the PRO using some kind of bluetooth headset. Of course, besides having a better camera, the Note 4 is better at photo taking because it is too heavy and difficult to press the photo taking button while holding the PRO 12.2.
I will buy a new MacBook Pro Retina 15". It will be too heavy to carry the laptop, the PRO 12.2 and the Note 4. I probably use the PRO 12.2 for pdf annotation, pdf viewing, note taking, video watching, etc. I may not carry the MacBook Pro 15" as often as I did in the past. I do need the Mac (Mac OS and Windows) for my research work though. The PRO cannot serve as a laptop replacement in my case.
Looking to pick up the Note 4 eventually though I'm not sure if I'll do so straight away. I still like my Nexus 4 w/ Mahdi ROM.
I'm not sure I want to pick up a Tizen based wearable. I just have this personal issue with entering into another platform and wonder what support there will be for it from application developers. Its just another consideration I'd have to make which may not exist as much on plain Android Wear devices. I'll most likely pick up a Moto 360 or LG's round watch though.
When I travel both my Note Pro and my rMBP come with me. I really don't mind the weight of carrying both at all and my use case simply doesn't support the Note Pro being a laptop replacement. My Note Pro is primarily for content consumption and web browsing. Note taking is secondary and productivity is a distant last. It's quite useful for email and whatnot but I can't get significant work done on it other than mild annotation of PDFs.
Probably not. I have a Note 3, the Note 4 feels like a step backwards. (Particularly if the EU gets the N910C with the Exynos. Rubbish.)
I'm a gamer and a designer, so I always carry my laptop(17.3" Asus N76VB) with me, as the NotePro is simply not capable of replacing it. Not because of the hardware, but mainly because of Android. (iOS won't help. Neither will Linux. And the Surface has an Intel HD, so not useful either.)
As such, my NotePro is my entertainment device. Films, magazines, comics, drawing, that sort of thing. My Note 3 serves as my go-to device for most things on the road, as well as an e-reader.
As for the Gear... I'm a Scifi fan. I didn't get stuck in 1960, and as such I will not be spending my money on tech with a 'retro' design. Not to mention, I want Android, no Tizen. Until it starts working and looking like this, I'm out.
Thanks for the warnings about the Gear. The Note PRO is more like a large screen device below 1kg that I could use on public transportation and while waiting for the foods in restaurants. For research work, I still need a laptop.
I don't know why, but I've always liked the idea of making phone calls with my watch, without the need of a smart phone nearby. The Gear S is the most interesting to me. As others have mentioned, the new OS is a bit of a concern. Not to mention how nice it plays with other devices, should I replace my Note 3. I'll be keeping a close watch after release to see how it does in the wild.
I may consider the Note 4 a few months after release once prices settle down, real world results are in, and the other manufactures have released competing devices. But for what it'll cost off contract (i.e. $700+), I hardly see a reason to hand over that kind of cash any time soon. And that's coming from somebody who frequently buys new gadgets way too often.
When it comes to smart watches and Android Wear what exactly is the draw to these devices?
I currently see them as wrist mounted notification panels cleverly disguised as watches LOL. What else am I missing?
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When it comes to smart watches and Android Wear what exactly is the draw to these devices?
I currently see them as wrist mounted notification panels cleverly disguised as watches LOL. What else am I missing?
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James Bond.
That's hilariously the main reason people want one; because he wore it and that made it cool, and ever since they were kids a lot of people have wanted one to feel like they're a spy.
I'm not kidding, that was the reason they developed them (employed or not, the R&D lads are still geeks and nerds.(Aren't we all?)) and it's the main idea behind the marketing of them.
Better if it has a camera and a voice recorder.
The exciting thing about the note 4 release is the eventual release of the software enhancements that may trickle down to the other note products. The snap note feature for example or the improved floating window support.
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Note Edge for me TYVM?
Turnover is just too damn fast for me.
Hi Y´all!
Got my P905 pro 12.2. Got my N9005 N3. Don´t really need anything new in the months to come.
Anyway - As the title says. The turnover in this business IMHO is just too damn fast, at the very least for me, to continually keep buying the very latest.
I might just decide to get the Note5. But - on an entirely different matter - I recently found out that the 50 GB Dropbox that Samsung proudly keep advertising everytime they present a new flagship(ish) device is actually a bag of hot air if you bought another device before I knew you´d only get the 50 (48 actually) GB once. I.e. not 48 GB per device. But at the very least i´d be able to extend the 48 Gigs. But Noo - no.
So at the moment i actually consider Sony next time.
Regards
Elo
Understand the frustration there but the purpose of the promotion is to bring users to Dropbox that eventually get hooked into having to pay. In their eyes once you are hooked you shouldn't be allowed to continously increase your free capacity using the sane promotion. Every giveaway has loss built in so allowing concurrent application of them surely can't be sustainable in terms of profit margins. Like I said I hear you, this is my second note pro since I lost my first. .. sucks. .
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Hi Y´all!
Got my P905 pro 12.2. Got my N9005 N3. Don´t really need anything new in the months to come.
Anyway - As the title says. The turnover in this business IMHO is just too damn fast, at the very least for me, to continually keep buying the very latest.
I might just decide to get the Note5. But - on an entirely different matter - I recently found out that the 50 GB Dropbox that Samsung proudly keep advertising everytime they present a new flagship(ish) device is actually a bag of hot air if you bought another device before I knew you´d only get the 50 (48 actually) GB once. I.e. not 48 GB per device. But at the very least i´d be able to extend the 48 Gigs. But Noo - no.
So at the moment i actually consider Sony next time.
Regards
Elo
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It's 50GB per dropbox account, once. You can, however, simply make a new account on dropbox. (That's what I do. I currently have 5.)
That is not something Samsung chose to do. It's Dropbox's doing.
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It's 50GB per dropbox account, once. You can, however, simply make a new account on dropbox. (That's what I do. I currently have 5.)
That is not something Samsung chose to do. It's Dropbox's doing.
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Hi!
Hmm - gotta try that - Thanks! :laugh:
Update: It worked - Yepiiee - You´re a life saver - Well - almost anyway - Now i can get the Note 5 and feel good about it
Regards
Elo
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Understand the frustration there but the purpose of the promotion is to bring users to Dropbox that eventually get hooked into having to pay. In their eyes once you are hooked you shouldn't be allowed to continously increase your free capacity using the sane promotion. Every giveaway has loss built in so allowing concurrent application of them surely can't be sustainable in terms of profit margins. Like I said I hear you, this is my second note pro since I lost my first. .. sucks. .
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Hi!
Your argument makes perfect sense. On the other hand: Samsung gets a benefit by increasing the value of their product as well.
It therefore struck me as logical that there had to be some sort of deal between Samsung and Dropbox. I.e. so many $ to Dropbox each time a unit is sold. If Dropbox gets an income per unit, i´d assume (yes - i know what is said about those) they´d also have to provide a service per unit.
Damn those assumptions
Regards
Elo
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Your argument makes perfect sense. On the other hand: Samsung gets a benefit by increasing the value of their product as well.
It therefore struck me as logical that there had to be some sort of deal between Samsung and Dropbox. I.e. so many $ to Dropbox each time a unit is sold. If Dropbox gets an income per unit, i´d assume (yes - i know what is said about those) they´d also have to provide a service per unit.
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LOL You're right! Sadly they're silent on the fact that you can't continually apply the credit. Perhaps its there in fine print somewhere and I'm just too excited at each product purchase to see it . . in any case I'll buy the Note 4 sometime before the end of the year and I'll lose the ability to take full advantage of that offer. Oh well . . .I'm not about to go through the hassle of using multiple dropbox accounts.
I wish Dropbox would match Google's pricing (I actually use both but reserve Google Drive for collaborating with others whereas Dropbox I use for myself and family) across the entire range of options. Would be nice to have a $2/mo 100GB option. I really don't need 1TB of space.
Back on topic though the Note 4 Edge looks interesting too. I'm concerned though that Samsung put the curved screen on the wrong product. Having never had a Note/Note 2/Note 3 I cant say for sure so I ask those of you who have - do you think its going to be hard to avoid touching the icons and menus on the curved edge while gripping the phone and doing other things?
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Hi!
Hmm - gotta try that - Thanks! :laugh:
Update: It worked - Yepiiee - You´re a life saver - Well - almost anyway - Now i can get the Note 5 and feel good about it
Regards
Elo
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Happy to help!
It's such a shame to forgo a great device (As the N5 will uncountably be 64Bit and 4G) because of corporate stupidity. Good thing there's usually a way to bypass it.
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LOL You're right! Sadly they're silent on the fact that you can't continually apply the credit. Perhaps its there in fine print somewhere and I'm just too excited at each product purchase to see it . . in any case I'll buy the Note 4 sometime before the end of the year and I'll lose the ability to take full advantage of that offer. Oh well . . .I'm not about to go through the hassle of using multiple dropbox accounts.
I wish Dropbox would match Google's pricing (I actually use both but reserve Google Drive for collaborating with others whereas Dropbox I use for myself and family) across the entire range of options. Would be nice to have a $2/mo 100GB option. I really don't need 1TB of space.
Back on topic though the Note 4 Edge looks interesting too. I'm concerned though that Samsung put the curved screen on the wrong product. Having never had a Note/Note 2/Note 3 I cant say for sure so I ask those of you who have - do you think its going to be hard to avoid touching the icons and menus on the curved edge while gripping the phone and doing other things?
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Well - i´m left handed and use a bumper on my N3. Being somewhat of a klutz i have to protect my device. I couldn´t hold the N4E without almost constantly being in physical contact with the curved edge. The curved edge is on the right side of the phone and looks like an ergonomic nightmare for us "leftys".
For a right handed person your right thumb looks, to me, like the "intended digit". Then you´d have to hold the device between your other 4 fingers and the root of your thumb/edge of your palm. Seems to me it´d be very nearly impossible to avoid touching along the edge. This needs to be tested IRL the phone shape is IMHO just too special to extrapolate or assume (Insert scared whine here) anything.
Edit: And speaking of bumpers - will they even be possible?
Regards
ELO
Yeah my first impression of the edge was it's too bad the S5 didn't have a variant of that instead. The larger note size doesn't seem practical for the edge technology. Also it would be nice if earpiece speakers doubled as normal speakers, hard buttons on front were removed, microphones placed on all corners and an earpiece speaker on top and bottom. With this setup, use rotation sensor to detect orientation so that the proper earpiece gets sound when the phone is in use. Use proximity sensor to up speaker volume when paying media. It surprises me nobody does this, a phone that you can answer in either portrait orientation that also doesn't need speakers on the sides or back.
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No thank you!
Not only will that cost us 10% screen space, it is also highly irritating if you use full-screen apps. The 'hide the notification bar' feature is already highly irritating. (Every time I try to bring it up in the middle of a video, the swipe is detected by the video player first and it changes the volume or brightness before opening the bar. UGH!)
I don't need more annoyances with on-screen buttons. The Nexus can keep those, cheers. Samsung made the decision to keep the hard buttons for a very well-considered list of reasons.
And no, they can't simply extend the screen. It's bound by aspect ratio. No, they can't add it as an additional bar on the screen either, it breaks the ratio in landscape mode.
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No thank you!
Not only will that cost us 10% screen space, it is also highly irritating if you use full-screen apps. The 'hide the notification bar' feature is already highly irritating. (Every time I try to bring it up in the middle of a video, the swipe is detected by the video player first and it changes the volume or brightness before opening the bar. UGH!)
I don't need more annoyances with on-screen buttons. The Nexus can keep those, cheers. Samsung made the decision to keep the hard buttons for a very well-considered list of reasons.
And no, they can't simply extend the screen. It's bound by aspect ratio. No, they can't add it as an additional bar on the screen either, it breaks the ratio in landscape mode.
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All good reasons. I wonder if there's a way to get full use of the device in either orientation without those annoyances.
Hi all,
I am really turn between the LG G3 and the NOTE 4
in my country, the price difference is about 250$
my "fear" regarding the NOTE 4 is that i wont really use the S PEN
I feel that its a cool thing to play with for about a week and then forget about it.
i saw lots of reviews and the main thing i saw were:
write phone numbers and name to put as a contact- seems like an action i do once a month. tops
send screen shots- nice but not an everyday task for me.
doodle- not relevant for me
all pen apps are for samsung apps and not for GMAIL and so...??
So.... am i missing something?
if any of you feel like sharing what you really do with the s-pen, especially as a student or at work (engineer) it will be really great.
My phone use profile consists off:
- i rarely use the cell for talking
-a lot of browsing- looking up for articles (as a student or at work)
-GMAIL
-WHATSAPP
-games: rarely
THANKS
dman230 said:
Hi all,
I am really turn between the LG G3 and the NOTE 4
in my country, the price difference is about 250$
my "fear" regarding the NOTE 4 is that i wont really use the S PEN
I feel that its a cool thing to play with for about a week and then forget about it.
i saw lots of reviews and the main thing i saw were:
write phone numbers and name to put as a contact- seems like an action i do once a month. tops
send screen shots- nice but not an everyday task for me.
doodle- not relevant for me
all pen apps are for samsung apps and not for GMAIL and so...??
So.... am i missing something?
if any of you feel like sharing what you really do with the s-pen, especially as a student or at work (engineer) it will be really great.
My phone use profile consists off:
- i rarely use the cell for talking
-a lot of browsing- looking up for articles (as a student or at work)
-GMAIL
-WHATSAPP
-games: rarely
THANKS
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It totally depends on you personally and what you use your device for.
Personally i use the S-Pen everyday - taking notes in meetings, i even use it for sketching and drawing. There's some pretty awesome drawing and painting apps available allowing me to be creative anytime and anywhere.
It also comes into it's own for usual OS tasks, selecting text, multiple documents, images, copying etc
I even sometimes just use it instead of my finger for usual stuff too, i dont really see the issue of people saying they would hardly use it, almost like it's some chore to take it out...
I feel that the S-Pen actually makes me use my device a lot more than i usually would! I don't think i could ever use a device without it going forward!
Cheers
Paul
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It totally depends on you personally and what you use your device for.
Personally i use the S-Pen everyday - taking notes in meetings, i even use it for sketching and drawing. There's some pretty awesome drawing and painting apps available allowing me to be creative anytime and anywhere.
It also comes into it's own for usual OS tasks, selecting text, multiple documents, images, copying etc
I even sometimes just use it instead of my finger for usual stuff too, i dont really see the issue of people saying they would hardly use it, almost like it's some chore to take it out...
I feel that the S-Pen actually makes me use my device a lot more than i usually would! I don't think i could ever use a device without it going forward!
Cheers
Paul
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I see lots of people being that positive about the S pen, Yet I own the note series since the beginning. each time a new generation came, I was interested by the Spen features. However I don't use it as much as I thought I would be.. I don't know why, maybe its cause I suck at drawing
As a student you could take notes from classes on the note4, ye I know, small screen. Backup everything at every save so you don't loose any page or note. But you have to try it yourself. If you have a budget dilemma then go for the g3.
I'm a visual manager for a retail store. I use my Note 4 and it's S pen daily. I'm constantly making To Do lists and writing notes to myself. So that's actually why I got my Note 4. I always have my phone with me in my pocket, so it's easier to take it out and jot down some things than to carry a pen and paper... which I'll eventually have to set down in order to do something and then leave it there until either someone else finds it or I end up running around the store looking for where I put it.
I also use the S pen to sketch up floor plans. I even take photos of an area and make notes on it.
"Move this here" (using a drawn arrow to point from the object to the new location)
"Get rid of this" (X something out)
"Paint this wall yellow. This one blue."
Etc
I also use the S pen when I'm eating my lunch and don't want to get the screen all dirty with my messy fingers lol.
The honest truth is that if you're going to use the S pen for JUST writing down phone numbers or something, then you won't be utilizing it's full potential. In that case, why spend the extra money?
I'd suggest only get the Note 4 if you truly do a lot of writing that doesn't have to be on paper (such as having to submit hand written notes to someone). If you need to write a lot, and have no issue with the notes being digital (or printed from a printer), then this phone is worth it.
I actually had an LG G Pro and was very happy with it, but the phone didn't have a stylis. I ended up making the decision to get the Note 4 and so far, I'm quite happy with my decision. It sure as heck beats carrying a pen and paper around!
Yep I use the S-pen maybe once every two days. I use it when I come across complicated websites (ability to use it like a mouse is good), and when I RDP into PC's as it gives mouse like accuracy compared to fat fingers.
Although I would actually give up the spen for a slightly smaller screen. I watch a lot of videos and browse the net a lot and the screen size is fantastic. But it's living with it which gets to me. It's just so big, having it in your pocket is extremely noticeable. Sitting down with tight pants is super uncomfortable and even just taking it out of your pocket you realise how big it is. I came from an S4, perhaps my next phone will be 5.5" or less. I still enjoy using my S4 (wifes phone now), and do miss the size of it. Hope that helps you.
i use the s-pen as a notebook. write all you want and hit print for hardcopy. you can actually print from the note 4 directly over wifi.
Note 4 caused me to remove all paper from my home office. I write all work notes in LectureNotes. I also use it as notepad after work - for new words, sentences, reminders and todos.
For university note taking I prefer a tablet with stylus (I use Note 10.1 for that - I wrote hundreds of pages on it).
Besides s-pen, Note4 is the only phone working with Gear VR (snapdragon versions so far)
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I use the S-Pen for everything. I rarely is my finger. The S-Pen is so much easier to use when typing, tapping on links on a web page, playing games, etc. And the screen doesn't get smudged up.
Thank you all!
this is exactly what i was looking for, if anyone else wants to add his experience, it will be great.
still not so sure why writing on a screen with a pen is more comfortable than typing a screen keyboard.
I guess I'll visit SAMSUNG store and play with it a bit
That little Wacom pen is THE reason why I only consider the Galaxy Note line as my smartphone of choice. It's that important.
Jot down notes in OneNote just like on my Tablet PCs (thank god they finally added ink support!), sketch things in Clover Paint, work as a mouse substitute for those pesky mouseover navigation bars on Web sites, maybe even serve as an external drawing tablet with the right software; it's like having a Tablet PC in the palm of my hand, just with Android instead of WIndows.
I admittedly don't use it on the keyboard. There's no reason for me to do so when the sheer width of the screen makes it easy for me to just use my fingers, especially compared to the old Galaxy S3 I was stuck with for the last two years. The Graffiti input panel (remember Palm OS?), on the other hand, would work really nicely with the pen if I decide to use that again.
dman230 said:
Thank you all!
this is exactly what i was looking for, if anyone else wants to add his experience, it will be great.
still not so sure why writing on a screen with a pen is more comfortable than typing a screen keyboard.
I guess I'll visit SAMSUNG store and play with it a bit
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Sometimes its quicker to write a note than type. Sometimes you want to circle typet text to call it out.
Maybe you want to sketh a diagram. Pen is more accurate than finger.
Got a pdf file you want to write a note in? Or take a picture then circle something in the picture?
Just a few of many possibilities.
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Hello Note Pro users! Around February 13th, Samsung will launch a new Chromebook that appears to be the successor to our now THREE YEAR OLD TABLET!.
Some of the noteable specs that I found worthwhile.
Amoled qHD Display 3:2 Ratio
2 Type C ports.
ARM OP1 Processor,
360 degree foldlable hinge.
AFAIK, One of the first few chromebooks to allegedly support the google play store!
And of course, the MOST important thing : An s pen.
These specs are hard to find in any laptop under 500$, none of which come with a stylus with palm rejection throughout the entire OS.
You can find more information here
Personally, while the battery life on my note pro 12.2 is the best across any device I have ever used (13 hours of SOT/3 Days without charge), performance has become horrible. I can't have more than 3 apps open simultaneously, opening each of those apps takes ages compared to my OnePlus3, and the screen flickers while the cpu is under high load.
I pre-ordered my chromebook through best buy, 488$ out the door, will you be purchasing the new version? Or will you be sticking with the note pro?
Looks OK. The internal memory is listed at 32GB while my Note Pro 12.2 tablet has 64GB. I still want a tablet that looks like this cromebook and costs like this one but does MS stuff without a hiccup. I have so many work related things that only work on a PC and not doable on this tablet. Maybe someday?
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Looks OK. The internal memory is listed at 32GB while my Note Pro 12.2 tablet has 64GB. I still want a tablet that looks like this cromebook and costs like this one but does MS stuff without a hiccup. I have so many work related things that only work on a PC and not doable on this tablet. Maybe someday?
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That's the thing that upset me as well..
32GB internal, probably only 23 will be made available to end user.
Not sure about the 3:2 ratio, I like 16:9 especially for taking notes and watching media..
I think this chromebook might perform pretty well with MS/Google apps. I haven't seen a fast chromebook yet, but I hope 2017 will change that.
when I get mine I'll definitely add some comments here.
It looks nice. I've never tried a Chromebook before. It would be better if it had 64gb or more and it came in black.
I had an Acer Chromebook with the Google Play store. No touchscreen but I got it to see how using Android apps would be. It was ok. Maybe it was my specific iteration (I was using the Beta channel) but it seemed like the Android apps were sandboxed. This meant I couldn't use something like, say, Fake GPS to mock location so that I can play Pokemon Go.
If you are thinking of getting the new Samsung Chromebooks, just know that the Android experience isn't as integrated as you'd think.
No, I am not going to make this change. I have a small 4 year old laptop with an SSD that works just fine when I need a full keyboard device, and for day to day work I just use my 12 inch IPAD pro... I use my Android 12.2 now for the cases where I need to use an android application that needs to use a MicroUSB port... such as my thermal scanner or my SDRs... I had the a note 7, which I miss dearly, and the USB C interface was just not compliant with the hardware devices I mentioned before...
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Absolutely bloody not.
Three reasons:
1) I use this thing for films and series 99% of the time. (I'm not bringing a 40" flatscreen on a train.) Have you tried a 16:9(default size) or 21:9(cinema release) film in a 3:2 window? Go on, try it. Let me know how much you like the big black bars on the top and bottom of your screen.
2) 80% of the world uses the A paper sizes. Not the square B sizes. A-paper is an almost exact match to 16:9. In 3:2 you have to scroll half the page.
3) All websites are designed in 16:9. NOT in 3:2. Half the website will be clipped off.
If I want something that only displays half my screen, I'll could just paste ductape onto my NotePro. Same result, hell of a lot cheaper.
Samsung is trying to be Apple again. Tsk, they still haven't learned.
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Absolutely bloody not.
Three reasons:
1) I use this thing for films and series 99% of the time. (I'm not bringing a 40" flatscreen on a train.) Have you tried a 16:9(default size) or 21:9(cinema release) film in a 3:2 window? Go on, try it. Let me know how much you like the big black bars on the top and bottom of your screen.
2) 80% of the world uses the A paper sizes. Not the square B sizes. A-paper is an almost exact match to 16:9. In 3:2 you have to scroll half the page.
3) All websites are designed in 16:9. NOT in 3:2. Half the website will be clipped off.
If I want something that only displays half my screen, I'll could just paste ductape onto my NotePro. Same result, hell of a lot cheaper.
Samsung is trying to be Apple again. Tsk, they still haven't learned.
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I see! You bring up some good points! I have, I had a Samsung 9.7 with the 4 3 ratio, and I loved the in hand feel of it. especially when I was taking notes in class. Squid has infinity zoom, so the aspect ratios for note taking don't bother me. ? (I returned the tablet because I think it had 720P resolution, that screen was awful!! I could see pixelation in pen strokes in s note!)
Movies, I'll have to get back to you on that one! I'm looking forward to seeing things on a larger oled display! I LOVE the size of our screen, but I'm not fond of the ips in this screen.
I thought most websites would simply reflow? They do this with most mobile browsers don't they?
Thanks for your response, it brought good points to light. ☺
No thanks. Look goods, but not worth the money. I think I'll stick with my Note Pro 12.2. Plus, if you try to get MS Office on that, chances are, it'll ask you for a email that has a Office365 subscriptions for it in order to use it.
Due to Samsung's abandonment of the still very capable Note 12.2 tablet they can go screw themselves, so no, I will not be buying the chrome book.
I'll take a look at it when it comes out. Right now I'm very satisfied with my Note Pro running Nougat. That operating system has improved the performance 2 fold. I do like new and shiny things, but this one will have to stand up to my Note Pro.
Chrome is one of those "Hmm... interesting.... but why?" things. Still... Hmm... Interesting.
Here's why I probably won't switch.
First, I *really* like the Note Pro 12.2. I bought mine for under 300 bucks used, and it has served me on a nearly daily basis as email reader / web reader / ebook reader (1000s of title on a handy 128g ext microsd card). Beautiful resolution. Touch screen. And Android.... which despite a few drawbacks, is also endlessly intriguing (yes I rooted my Note 12.2 and run Nougat currently). Did I mention how much I like being able to back the entire thing up in just a few minutes to my ext micro using TWRP? And battery life... even after all this time using it... is great!
Second, I'd have to find a reason to switch. And as one other commenter noted, Samsung's total abandonment of this tablet doesn't lead me to quickly invest in another tablet they make.... because won't they abandon the new one, too, if they don't like sales? If Samsung pledged to update their devices for a longer period of time, it would be more likely I'd (eventually) make the move. Instead, I'd be most likely to save up and buy a Pixel.
Third.... oh, I guess I mentioned that I really *really* like my Note Pro 12.2....
Are you kidding me? A chrome book? To replace the note pro 12.2? Are you kidding me? Did the world suddenly go insane? Did Samsung lose its mind after the last tablet that went with windows 10? And from that debacle, ...they went to chrome? I guess the cleaning dude is running that department now.
Jesus Samsung, you have truly lost your way.
NO:
I want a true tablet!
If i need that form-factor with touch and keyboard, I get a 13 inch Dell XPS ultrabook (i currently own the 15 inch XPS)
I either want a true mobile OS like Android, OR a desktop OS like windows/osx/*nix
I hate ChromeOS. and other power user hate it too, especially the modding scene
Android Apps integration is sandboxed, so forget using for example a Mock-Location android app for the whole device
4:3, are we going back in time? This is primarily a work and note-taking app: I want A4 styled sheets, and I will read Books and PDFs in A4 / A5 / A6 style to annotate them with the S-Pen, this is bull**** on 4:3 and only makes sense on 16:9 or more
The stylus doesn't come with the button on the side. Many functions lost!
Split-Screen (youtube teaching video + note taking app) is bull**** on 4:3
I received my chromebook plus Tuesday, and my goodness, it is fantastic! I like it more than the note pro in every aspect except battery life.
So here's why.
Pros:
The Display and the build quality are excellent! I really disliked watching videos on my note pro because the blacks were so washed out, while the CBP does not have as good a screen as an amoled panel on a phone, it's still much better than the note pro.
This feels like a truly premium device. The hinges are extremely sturdy, and are not easily moved by accident. The screen has a great range, bright enough that I can see it under direct sunlight and dim enough so I can read my notes from class at night without burning out my eyeballs.
Android apps are integrated very well! You can even install apks onto the chromebook Out of all the apps I use, Mobizen screen recorder was the only one that does not work. But given that the whole chromebooks having android apps is a new concept, I'm not surprised by this, I expect it will be compatible sometime in the near future. Meanwhile, I use another screen recording app.
The speakers are actually better than the note pro, which shocked me. The CBP speakers are rear facing, but still, they sound better.
The 4:3 factor? I like it, there is more room on the screen without increasing the size of the device by a large margin. The difference in the total size is hardly noticeable, but the amount of that screen that is dedicated to display is awesome. As far as signing documents are concerned, the width of documents fit the screen regardless if I am using my note pro 12.2 or CBP, but with both devices I have to scroll down to get the entirety of the document on the screen. (Assuming you are on portrait. I almost always use my tablets in landscape.)
The speed of it leaves my Note Pro in the dust. Even when my note pro is overclocked. But not only is it faster, but the CBP is also smoother and far more responsive.
I definitely consider myself a power user when it comes to phones and tablets, up until meeting the latest version of chrome os. I became a power user because I was constantly using devices that I needed or wanted to: remove bloat that carriers/manufacturers installed against my permission, squeeze out more battery life (Via xposed, root, kernels, roms etc,) and to increase system stability. But with the cbp, it's just so simple. I just don't feel the need to do any of the power use activities on it. There's no bloat that you can't uninstall [AFAIK] and performance is fantastic. It's kind of refreshing to take something out the box, use it for a few days, and be satisfied in feeling "I don't need to put cyanogenmod on this device." or "OMG. I NEEDS XPOSED RIGHT NOW!!!" Now, those feelings are dedicated to my phones. Unlike all my Samsung/ZTE/UMI/OnePlus/Nexus devices that I have owned.
The 360 degree gives you way more options of using your device than any of the cases I have tried for the note pro 12.2. It's really nice when tutoring others.
Scrolling is soooper smooth, smooth as my oneplus 3. Smoother than my i7 low end gaming laptop! >__<
Battery life is confusing. With my note pro, I would get HUGE gains when I kept my device off wi-fi all the time, only using it for tutoring others at work in math and taking notes in my math classes. The CBP almost seems invariant in battery life if I am wi-fi or off it the majority of the day. Might be because it's brand new + different operating system, only time will tell, but I'm content to get a full day of use out of a device like this before a recharge. (Especially since I can charge my phone and tablet/laptop hybrid offspring with the same charger again. )
Cons: I'm scared to death to break/drop this thing xD I believe it would survive a fall better than my note pro would, but something about the CBP just makes me afraid to drop it. I've dropped my note pro once in the year and a half of owning it, so knock on wood.
I'm worried about scuffs to the bottom of device (the keyboard) because the keyboard is essentially a stand when it's flipped into quasi-tablet mode, I think over time I might pick up a few scrapes on it. It's lipped so the keys never touch the surface you've set it on, but like I said earlier, only time will tell. (Not particularly hopeful on that)
Button doesn't work. I'm using my full size s pen with eraser (from like 2012) and I can click this thing all I want but nothing happens. Luckily, squid lets you use your finger as a tool also, so I didn't lose much functionality as far as taking notes.
Overall thoughts: For the price and experience, I would definitely suggest giving this thing a look. Our tablet cost almost twice as much at release, was a version behind in android at that, and stopped receiving updates, what, a year later? I've read chromebooks have huge support windows, five years Not even nexus devices get supported that long. Given it's a different operating system, a direct comparison cannot be made, but it's still definitely something worth taking note. The fact that I can be writing notes in math in tablet mode, flip it to type an essay, and set it upside down to watch netflix movies is fantastic.
Any other thoughts I have I will add over time, but a lot of note pro owners have upgraded to this device and have posted some rave reviews on amazon, best buy, and in the chromebook forums. I would definitely giving this device a shot!
globalsearch said:
Are you kidding me? A chrome book? To replace the note pro 12.2? Are you kidding me? Did the world suddenly go insane? Did Samsung lose its mind after the last tablet that went with windows 10? And from that debacle, ...they went to chrome? I guess the cleaning dude is running that department now.
Jesus Samsung, you have truly lost your way.
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I think you should look at some of the reviews of it! A lot of people like it. And google handles the updates from what I understand, I would love more devices with samsung hardware and google software. An s7 edge or note 7 with stock android on it [and oneplus dash charge]? Take my money!!!!
I read they are also coming out with an s3 with an s pen in a 9.7screen, that's likely going to cost north of 800 dollars. If you like touchwiz and have the money to spend on a device I would recommend taking a look at that!
Can you use s-note on the CBP? I have a lot of work notes and I have found I only really enjoy using s-note because of the templates and convert to text function. I don't really like keep at all.
I picked up my Note PRO on release day and I've loved it dearly. It's starting to show its age, now, and I'm looking for an upgrade. The problem is...There hasn't been anything release in the past three years that is BETTER! This chromebook intrigues me, but I agree with other commenters that I just want a tablet.
Probably not unless my phone breaks.
Things I hate:
1. The resolution is worse
2. The aspect ratio is bad for media
3. Doesn't have built-in LTE/GPS
globalsearch said:
Are you kidding me? A chrome book? To replace the note pro 12.2? Are you kidding me? Did the world suddenly go insane? Did Samsung lose its mind after the last tablet that went with windows 10? And from that debacle, ...they went to chrome? I guess the cleaning dude is running that department now.
Jesus Samsung, you have truly lost your way.
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You do know that this Chromebook runs Android apps, right? Whatever the Note Pro does, this one can as well. So it's not a crazy comparison at all and it's understandable if some people consider it a successor of the Note Pro.
(I'm not saying that it is a great device, btw. And my answer to the question is: no. I'm sticking with my trusty Note Pro)