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The TF700 is a terrible scam.. sorry, but this thing doesn't even work beyond something from the early naughties. It's seriously underpowered, and for an expensive tab it has some bloody cheap internals - Tegra 3 is 2 years old, it was never meant to power a 1080p screen for much more than movies. If you want proof, 1080p is one of the things they're touting with the Tegra 3+. So just grab a Nexus. It has a better screen, anyway.
My first phone was this Samsung brick thing back in 2007, and it could play music. The Infinity can't even do that without it dropping out or stuttering all the time thanks to its terrible NAND.
I think Kookas went of the deep end. TF700 isn't that bad. I think it has been the best 10 inch Android tablet until the Nexus 10 arrives. And the first Tegra 3 device (Transformer Prime I think) came out early this year, so the Tegra 3 isn't that old.
However, unless you NEED a keyboard, I see no reason to buy an Infinity now. Nexus 10 has much better specs and a stock Nexus software experience.
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I think Kookas went of the deep end. TF700 isn't that bad. I think it has been the best 10 inch Android tablet until the Nexus 10 arrives. And the first Tegra 3 device (Transformer Prime I think) came out early this year, so the Tegra 3 isn't that old.
However, unless you NEED a keyboard, I see no reason to buy an Infinity now. Nexus 10 has much better specs and a stock Nexus software experience.
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Best Android tab until now isn't really saying much, and actually in terms of specs the Note 10.1 completely surpasses it aside from the screen resolution.
Trust me, it is an absolutely horrific device. It's laggy as all hell while the Nexus 10 does that awesome resolution like a pro. Asus doesn't deserve a penny.
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Because of the resolution alone it has to be the N10, it's going to look gorgeous.
Re-post from a similar thread in the Infinity forum, although I feel it's appropriate in this one as well.
"I decided to return my TF700 today, and await the Nexus 10 release. Sure, some people are saying its "ugly" but it's a beast internally.
I don't use the keyboard dock, nor do I really care to own one. I have a laptop to do any content creation, which I don't do on the go anyway. I'll be using it as a pure consumption device around the house, and it seems like a better fit for me. I even plan to pick up the 16GB model and save a few dollars.
That said, anyone comparing the two devices "Apples to Apples" is just wrong. They appeal to two VERY different types of users, and in my opinion don't even really fall into the same category other than "Android Tablets". The TF700 isn't a bad tablet, and overall I enjoyed using it (CleanROM 2.3 + Data2SD changed my life). No reason for everyone to bash it, it may be the most versatile Android Tablet around for some time and it keeps getting better."
So I've traded in my beloved Nexus 7 for a Galaxy Note 8. Here's why:
A lot of the decision was based around the extremely poor execution on the Nexus brand. The Galaxy Nexus launch was smooth, but Verizon only. I preordered the Nexus 7 the moment it became possible to do so, only to have my order take weeks to process and with no way to cancel it after I was able to walk into a Sam's Club and pick up one of the dozen or so they had in stock (I actually had to cancel the card I used to preorder it to prevent Google from billing me). Most recently, the case study in botched launches we call the Nexus 4 was simply unacceptable from a company as big and as smart as Google. Toss in the scant attention they give to accessories (Nexus 7 desktop dock, anyone?) and my faith in Google as a hardware partner has simply been abolished. There was no way in hell I was going to try the next Nexus 7 and hope they've improved things.
That aside, the Nexus 7 was an awesome tablet, but the form factor was a real turn off for me. The thing just felt so bulky in my hand and pocket. That didn't keep me from using the crap out of it, but I really wanted to find an iPad Mini sized device with Android on it. Superficial, I know, but I can't say it wasn't a factor when I read how thin the Note 8 was going to be. Even if the next Nexus 7 is just as thin, the killer feature for me is the S Pen. Android tablets and a third party stylus are just north of complete disappointment. Every tablet I've owned since the Motorola Xoom really sucked in this department. Since my day job now involves 3x as many meetings as it did when I got the N7, the ability to take quick notes and sketch out something rough was a huge selling point. Having used it for a week now, that alone has completely justified the extra cost over an N7 for me.
I do hate a few things, however. The capacitive buttons are annoying as hell in landscape. More than once already, I've hit the back button while playing a game or reading something. How this made it past any sort of QA testing is beyond me. While we're on the subject of "wtf", who's bright idea was it to place the speakers on the part of the device you cover up in landscape? It's very clear that they intended this device to be used in one position and that's extremely unfortunate.
In the end, I'm extremely happy with it. My experience so far has been vastly positive and it's been the most practical Android tablet I've owned to date. Granted, most of that feeling is focused on how much I like the S Pen. Without that, I never would have given this tablet the time of day, even with the better form factor.
great review.. i feel largely the same way with the biggest negative being the capacitive buttons in landscape.. oversight in my opinion that maybe they can develop a disable in landscape option.
I think also underrated is 'reading mode' and i really appreciate samsungs letting us add any app to the list.. I find it much easier and much less strain on the eyes when reading pdfs that way
I kept my nexus 7, so now i have the best of both worlds =) But on another note, note 8 is extremely smooth, its awesome.
About the capacitive buttons... it is possible to active on screen buttons if you're desperate lol... It would take effort though.
great information you have to post, this one is quit materialistic and also have a deep information about Nexus 7
I have to agree about the bulky casing of the Nexus 7, Galaxy 8.0 is a good alternative for sure. Thanks for posting your thoughts.
I really really really want to have a Note 8 but it's sooooo big. hehehe. I hope my hands are big enough to hold it easily
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About the capacitive buttons... it is possible to active on screen buttons if you're desperate lol... It would take effort though.
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I did the same thing. I own a Note 2 and had a Nexus 7. I tried out a Note 10.1 and a Nexus 10 for a week each and returned them both. After seeing what the Note 8.0 was about to bring to the table, I sold my Nexus 7 on the launch day of the Note 8.0 and went with that. I love this thing. For me the size and weight played a huge role as well, not to mention the fact that for me I am not very productive with a tablet unless I have a method of data entry other than touch, like the S Pen or a physical keyboard. After being so happy with my Note 2, the 8.0 ended up being the perfect choice.
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I have to agree about the bulky casing of the Nexus 7, Galaxy 8.0 is a good alternative for sure. Thanks for posting your thoughts.
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Galaxy 8.0 is a good alternative for sure.+1
But I have heard the next generation of Nexus 7 will come on Google I/O 2013, and it seems own the more powerful specs than the present one, and I do want to compare the new one with Galaxy Note 8.0.
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Galaxy 8.0 is a good alternative for sure.+1
But I have heard the next generation of Nexus 7 will come on Google I/O 2013, and it seems own the more powerful specs than the present one, and I do want to compare the new one with Galaxy Note 8.0.
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True but unless it has an active digitizer (S-Pen) it doesn't compare. I bought the Note 8.0 for one reason, the S-Pen. I had the Samsung series 7 slate with an active digitizer and loved it, wished for something smaller that I could use. I then bought the Surface Pro and the stylus comes in handy, I use it all the time. I take my Surface to meetings and take notes with it. Now with the Note 8.0 I can go completely digital with my note taking. I will be able to through it in my cargo pocket and take it with me everywhere to take notes and stuff.
I understand everyone has different uses but the Note 8.0 is in a different class with the S-Pen. The iPad mini and Nexus 7, both nice devices owned a Nexus 7, don't compare.
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great review.. i feel largely the same way with the biggest negative being the capacitive buttons in landscape.. oversight in my opinion that maybe they can develop a disable in landscape option.
I think also underrated is 'reading mode' and i really appreciate samsungs letting us add any app to the list.. I find it much easier and much less strain on the eyes when reading pdfs that way
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True but unless it has an active digitizer (S-Pen) it doesn't compare. I bought the Note 8.0 for one reason, the S-Pen. I had the Samsung series 7 slate with an active digitizer and loved it, wished for something smaller that I could use. I then bought the Surface Pro and the stylus comes in handy, I use it all the time. I take my Surface to meetings and take notes with it. Now with the Note 8.0 I can go completely digital with my note taking. I will be able to through it in my cargo pocket and take it with me everywhere to take notes and stuff.
I understand everyone has different uses but the Note 8.0 is in a different class with the S-Pen. The iPad mini and Nexus 7, both nice devices owned a Nexus 7, don't compare.
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Me too. I love the Spen, but I hate Mali-400MP inside it (Having Note 2). Have no idea why Samsung doesn't put Snapdragon S600 (or at least S4 Pro) into it.
8.0 inch is the perfect side for a tablet, so I'm waiting for its successor.
I traded up from the Galaxy Tab 2 10.1'' and I DONT regret it. The 8.0'' screen is perfect, still kinda fits in your pocket, the extra inch over the 7'' tabs is duly noted and the -2.1 inches from my former tablet isnt even missed. I, so far, have no complaints about my Note!
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Me too. I love the Spen, but I hate Mali-400MP inside it (Having Note 2).
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I've read a lot of people complain about it, but no one is really saying why. My experience so far is that the OS runs as snappy as any device I've ever used, applications load up quickly, and so far, every game I've tossed on it plays just fine. Could it be faster, less power hungry, or newer? Sure, but I'm not seeing a reason why I should care, either.
I'd love to hear some thoughts on why people have such a problem with the processor.
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I've read a lot of people complain about it, but no one is really saying why. My experience so far is that the OS runs as snappy as any device I've ever used, applications load up quickly, and so far, every game I've tossed on it plays just fine. Could it be faster, less power hungry, or newer? Sure, but I'm not seeing a reason why I should care, either.
I'd love to hear some thoughts on why people have such a problem with the processor.
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It boils down to some dumb "It's great, but we want <insert the new tech buzzword" fanboyism. By all means the SoC is great, is tried and tested, and more than powerful enough for anything on the platform or on the horizon.
Basically, a bunch of biased blogs used it as a knock against the Note 8, and because its not an octa-core Exynos 6 with 8GB of RAM and a GeForce 790GT it's suddenly bad. Even though they had literally just got done gushing over the same SoC in the Note 2 and others.
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I've read a lot of people complain about it, but no one is really saying why. My experience so far is that the OS runs as snappy as any device I've ever used, applications load up quickly, and so far, every game I've tossed on it plays just fine. Could it be faster, less power hungry, or newer? Sure, but I'm not seeing a reason why I should care, either.
I'd love to hear some thoughts on why people have such a problem with the processor.
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Reason? Cannot play fruit ninja perfectly smoothly. ShadowGun DZ seems even laggier than my tf101.
I didn't say anything abt the processor, coz even 1ghz quad core (power saving mode? Is totally enough. But the GPU...
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Reason? Cannot play fruit ninja perfectly smoothly. ShadowGun DZ seems even laggier than my tf101.
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I don't play these games, but I am pretty sure hyperbole of comparing any function of the N8 to the TF101 is not going to help your argument. I went and downloaded Shadowgun for kicks, and it plays like a scalded dog on my Note 8 (and Note 2 for that matter),
My fathers TF101 struggles to replay the Quadrant render. The Tegra2 was, and always has been, a total slug.
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Reason? Cannot play fruit ninja perfectly smoothly. ShadowGun DZ seems even laggier than my tf101.
I didn't say anything abt the processor, coz even 1ghz quad core (power saving mode? Is totally enough. But the GPU...
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Fruit Ninja is playing just fine for me on my GT-N5110, so I'm not sure where you're getting its not "perfectly smooth". The same goes for large games like Asphalt 7 or Max Payne in that they play as well on this device as they do on my N7 or TF300T.
Both are great tablets!
I've owned a N7 2012 for about a year, and I have a buyer for my old one, so I'm looking at upgrading. I haven't used a stylus device in years, but I used to love them: precision text editing, sketches to supplement an explanation, and unambiguous link clicking in the browser.
I expect longevity from my devices, and my previous experience has been that the charging connector breaks first on every mobile device I've had. This gives the N7 the serious advantage with the Qi inductive charging.
OTOH, the Note's performance is more future-proof: a 96GB Note (thanks SD-card expansion) will stay useful longer with a 32GB N7, and the benchmarks also come out clearly in favour of the Note: (Slashgear Note 6900 http://cdn.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/quadrant_gnote8_attwtmk.jpg vs N7 5600 http://cdn.slashgear.com/wp-content...enshot_2013-07-25-13-17-52-google-nexus-7.jpg ).
But the performance doesn't count for all that much, since my main use for my current N7 has been reading: PDFs, e-books and websites. I use it mostly around the house, and my phone when I'm out and about.
Can anyone suggest something I haven't considered that may be relevant? The price isn't going to sway me much one way or the other.
Thanks
I prefer note 8 due to larger size and I won't mind carrying a slightly bigger one. Was coming from 7.7. I would have taken if it's nexus 8.
Happy user of note 8.
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I don't know what I can add except my reason for buying a Note 8.0--the pen. I bought my Note for school to replace everything in my bookbag--no more notebooks, no more laptop, no more text books. So far I'm very happy with my decision. I was also considering the new Nexus but because I wanted the ability to take notes, the lack of a wacom pen was off-putting. The Note was well worth the extra money for me.
I'm split between these two devices also. The new Nexus has the 1080p screen and prompt updates in its favor. The Note 8, suprisingly has a very good screen despite being 1280*800, but don't expect to get any updates for this. I mean you can always go AOSP or AOKP but that defeats the purpuse of even buying a Note. So if being stuck at Android 4.1.2 forever doesn't bother you the Note is a good choice.
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I'm split between these two devices also. The new Nexus has the 1080p screen and prompt updates in its favor. The Note 8, suprisingly has a very good screen despite being 1280*800, but don't expect to get any updates for this. I mean you can always go AOSP or AOKP but that defeats the purpuse of even buying a Note. So if being stuck at Android 4.1.2 forever doesn't bother you the Note is a good choice.
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why should we not expect updates for the note 8.0? I thought they were already working on e 4.2.2 build. in fact a quick search suggests thats its already available
I had the nexus 7.2 for a week and a half, the 16Gb version and it had a very nice screen fast processor but returned it due to frequent reboots, apparently it only happens on the 16Gb version. Got the note 8 instead. Am very satisfied with it.
I'd recommend you get the Nexus 7.2 first use it for a week then return and get the Note 8, that way you can see the strength and weakness of both and then decide which one is more useful to you. I am glad I did that, the Nexus 7.2 was how to say this not to hurt anyones feelings -plain vanilla- which is not bad, but you can't really compare the two because of the S pen feature on the Note 8. The Note 8 screen is not bad at all, but the 7.2 beats it, and I find that I do use the S pen more often than I thought I would. Also I'm a long time Samsung user and I like their products. I gave the Nexus 7.2 a try but am more comfortable with the Note 8, also love the S pen, for that alone it was worth it to me.
So as I mentioned get one use it as is for a week or two then return it and get the other one. Test both, but in my opinion you can't really pin the two tablets against each other. They are both good just depends what you are going to use it for, if you're a big game player get the Nexus, if you going to use the tablet for other things get the Note 8
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why should we not expect updates for the note 8.0? I thought they were already working on e 4.2.2 build. in fact a quick search suggests thats its already available
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I've owned more than a few Samsung devices, I currently own a two SGS 3, AT&T and Sprint. Neither are on 4.2.2, which is why i'm on CM10.1.2. I'd be pretty happy with a TouchWiz 4.3, but I know Samsung is pretty lame at updates that's why I made that statement, if the Note does get the 4.2.2 update, that's great, but I don't think they will go past that.
Hopefully Samsung is doing an overhaul on TouchWiz all together, I may stick with Samsung devices, otherwise my next device will be a Nexus. I've given up hope for the skin based phones and updates.
It really comes down to how much you value the s-pen....i thought I'd get much more use out of it (i do a lot of handwritten note taking, but at meetings i typically type in notepad) and never did so I just put my Note8 up for sale because the extra $100 wasn't worth it because it was still faster/easier for me to jot something quick on a post it than to take out the spen, launch the note app, scribbe something, save it....
however when I was in school the ability to take down quick notes and write on-screen on pdfs/ppt was *very critical* and I loved my W7 tablet with ntrig (this is all pre-tablets so it just depends on your use case
With OTG usb, you can still use microsd on the Nexus7, althought it's a bit more work and takes up the charging port..not sure if the new N7 has that yet (you had to be rooted on the old N7 to use it)
screenwise, the new N7 quality is much better, but I find the slightly larger note 8 to actually be easier to read on and use
I'm close to making my final decision because I refuse to keep the Note 8.0 and the N7 (2013) that I currently have.
The N7 is super nice. The display keeps drawing me back over and over. I like the fact that I can watch Netflix on it and not accidentally press the back button like I tend to do on the Note 8.0. I love the crisp text in my ebooks. And who doesn't love stock?
The Note 8.0 is better from a productivity standpoint for me, and it's why it currently leads. Outside of holding it in landscape and pressing buttons accidentally, I actually prefer the feel of the Note 8.0 more than the new N7. The display isn't nearly as bad as some would have you believe either. Sure if you have it side by side the N7, you'll see it, but in my opinion it looks real good.
Also a sidenote for comic book readers. I use Comixology, and I'm not a fan of the panel to panel view unless I'm forced to use it due to something being very small. It's easier for me to read comics on the Note 8.0 compared to the N7. Probably because of the extra inch of real estate.
Probably the reason I still go back and forth is because I know I can expect updates and a vibrant dev community on the N7, but probably not so much with the Note 8.0. Heck, I have the AT&T LTE variant, and I sadly can't even root that yet. Good luck with your decision.
I went ahead and ordered the 32GB Nexus 7.2. I figure I can always sell it for about what I paid for it if I decide not to keep it.
I got the previous Nexus 7 as a gift, but actually ended up selling it (and keeping the more lowly spec'd Tab 2 7" I already had) because the Nexus was just so flaky. Apparently it was a great device prior to 4.1, but I only got onboard after that. Plus the speakers were PATHETIC (unacceptable for a device that screams multimedia consumption.) I'm hoping those are better this go-round as I use mine for backgound music/video quite a bit.
There's pros to being on the bleeding edge of updates I guess. But I almost view it like you're being an unofficial beta tester. Samsung may not always have the latest official Android version on all its flagship devices, but all my experiences with them to-date have been outstanding. There's a reason (beyond just marketing) that they're the most dominant OEM in the Android world.
If the primary purpose is reading as OP has posted, I would suggest note 8 to be better choice.
My primary reason for buying note 8.0 was reading (PDF's as well as comics) and considering that almost 38 GB of my external 64 Gig card is occupied by books i would say i am more than pleased by my choice.
The extra screen size does matter here though both share similar 16:10 aspect ratio , which is quite ok,
another surprise feature, the reading mode that samsung built into this is amazing (though it might appear strange at first) but now I just can't imagine reading without that , it's easier on eyes,less stress and for me makes for much better concentration. add a good reader app (I absolutely love the free perfect viewer app for pdf and comics)
The secondary thing for me was the s-pen. since i have been using wacom tablets on pc since late 90's I found this quite adequate. My N-5100 costed me around $530 USD) which is surely definitely on the costlier side of things however I would still consider it worth that extra dough.
I also primarily use this at home and mine is still unrooted (haven't found a need or reason to root it yet).
Gotta decide what's your most important feature.
For me tablets can have two distinct purposes, media consumption device or productivity device. As a media consumption device there isn't much use to me for a tablet because honestly, most things are just more convenient to do on my phone since I always have it, and it has a data connection.
Now as a productivity device, there are a couple things the note 8 excels at. PDF and textbook portability/editing, handwritten notes, and remote desktop control. The spen takes this device to a higher level of productivity because there is no device with a comparable stylus. But for anything else like word document editing, media production, music/picture editing, tablets in general fall short because laptops/desktops are just better.
So if you want a media consumption device, the new Nexus 7 is probably better or even the iPad for that matter. But for productivity the spen will make up for the other shortcomings like lower screen pixel density, less frequent operating system updates, etc.
MobileTechReview posted her review, comparing the two tablets. Everything she said is exactly the same thought I have between the two tablets. I currently have both. I'm more tempted to return the Nexus, but don't know yet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7aPvUqdcds
But everything she states in the video is the same opinion that I have noticed from using them.
She doesn't mention bugs, but the Nexus has its own bugs too... such as apps crashing or becoming unresponsive to touches. I have seen the GPS crash several times using a GPS testing app.
It took me ages to decide between the N7 and note 8, and I decided on the note 8. But now I realise, that as I'm going university next year, I'll probably need a laptop, and I'm confused all over again
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I'm split between these two devices also. The new Nexus has the 1080p screen and prompt updates in its favor. The Note 8, suprisingly has a very good screen despite being 1280*800, but don't expect to get any updates for this. I mean you can always go AOSP or AOKP but that defeats the purpuse of even buying a Note. So if being stuck at Android 4.1.2 forever doesn't bother you the Note is a good choice.
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4.2.2 is already out for uk. I am on it now
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MobileTechReview posted her review, comparing the two tablets. Everything she said is exactly the same thought I have between the two tablets. I currently have both. I'm more tempted to return the Nexus, but don't know yet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7aPvUqdcds
But everything she states in the video is the same opinion that I have noticed from using them.
She doesn't mention bugs, but the Nexus has its own bugs too... such as apps crashing or becoming unresponsive to touches. I have seen the GPS crash several times using a GPS testing app.
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Agree with almost everything she said as well. I disagree with her assessment of the speakers and volume though. While this year's Nexus finally has proper speakers they're still not as loud as the Note 8's. The quality is a bit better as far as separation/bass goes, but not as loud.
I'm probably going to stick with the Note 8. It's just hard to go back to 7" display no matter what the resolution. It's great that the text is clear, but it's tiny - and the saturation isn't as good. And I've already experienced the Nexus bugginess (unresponsive to touches) several times as well.
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4.2.2 is already out for uk. I am on it now
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How is it compared to 4.1?
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Agree with almost everything she said as well. I disagree with her assessment of the speakers and volume though. While this year's Nexus finally has proper speakers they're still not as loud as the Note 8's. The quality is a bit better as far as separation/bass goes, but not as loud.
I'm probably going to stick with the Note 8. It's just hard to go back to 7" display no matter what the resolution. It's great that the text is clear, but it's tiny - and the saturation isn't as good. And I've already experienced the Nexus bugginess (unresponsive to touches) several times as well.
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I haven't had any complaints about the Note 8.0 speakers either.
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How is it compared to 4.1?
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Maybe more smooth
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I own the original nexus 7...
I currently own an ipad 4 (so I'm used to looking at retina display), I've had the note 10.1, nexus 10, etc....
Honestly I think 8" is the sweet spot. I want to love thenew nexus 7 so bad but I feel like 7" is just a tad too small. The extra screen area from an 8" tablet seems sooo much larger and more usable when browsing websites. Am I crazy? I feel like I keep reading about screen clarity vs spen vs whatever ... but to me the real battle is do you prefer 7" vs 8" - I'm probably going to get both and then return the one I dont' like. As I said, I'm used to the retina screen as well as the beautiful screen on my htc one; however just playing around with the note in the store, the screen honestly isn't that bad and colors are quite quite good.
That said, the nexus 7 screen is by far superior BUT I still think the larger size provides so much better screen real estate and thus ease of use.
Anyone not get the nexus 7 simply because they don't like a 7" tablet?
I'm about to sell my Nexus 10 to buy a smaller tablet. The Nexus 10 is great but it's too big to use comfortably daily. Playing games is almost impossible and holding the tablet in portrait it's too uncomfortable.
I've narrowed it down to the new Nexus 7 or the upcoming LG G Pad 8.3. I prefer the LG because 8 inches seems to be the perfect screen size for gaming, video playback, web browsing and PDF reading.
The Nexus 7 has great price, updates, great stock experience and it's already available. But I feel I would get tired of the small screen too quickly. Reading PDFs would be almost impossible, as well as web browsing.
I've been thinking about it for days and still can't decide.
Do you guys that own the Nexus 7 feel the screen is too small after a few months with it? I'll be using the new tablet at home always. I think the LG is great because it's the first 8 inch tablet with 1080P screen. The snapdragon 600 inside is also better and the battery is bigger also, but I know I wouldn't get updates. This wouldn't be too much of a problem if the tablet works for me. I think I could keep an 8 inch tablet longer than a 7.
No. In fact I think the size is perfect. Its wide enough to hold in one hand comfortably (portrait). It fits in my front jeans pocket (barely). Big enough to do whatever on.
The N7 uses an under clocked S600. It has updated cores and GPU. I don't know why they called it an S4 Pro. So speed wise you will see very little difference.
LG never supports their products. It will probably come out with 4.2.2 just as we're getting 4.4. They have horrible update schedules. You're lucky to get one OS update before EOL. Development on them are also lacking. They usually come locked without an easy way to unlock. The LG G2 is rooted by a special method but remains locked.
It will probably never see an update past 4.4
I wouldn't pick a LG device unless I gave it several months to settle and see where it ends up with updates and dev. They make some great hardware but really botch up the software and support. The G2 seems like a great phone out of the box but will be left in the dust in a few months. Take your chances with their tablet but think about one thing:
How well will you like it in a year when the N7 has the latest and greatest Android (5.0?) and cool ROMs and mods, and you're stuck on an iffy modified stock rom with no support?
I left the Nexus line once, and it was rough.
The 7" is very nice because you want to downsize for toting. It fits easier into your coat pockets and lighter. 7 and 8 inches aren't that different unless you are comparing. Standalone you won't even notice the difference.
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Actually the N7's 7 inch display isn't too small for PDF and web browsing. Given its retina grade PPI, words are crisp even when they are zoomed out. I've been using it for my classes which I read PDF PowerPoint slides on daily basis, and I am happy with it. :good:
7 inch is also the largest you can get for comfortable 1 hand use with portrait mode. 8 inch tablets has to be held with 2 hands even in portrait.
You lay down, put tablet on your belly. Can be held with one hand...
So size doesn't matter.
Reading? n7 is good... No more headaches.
Oh well go with n7 and next year maybe a nexus8 will come out.
It sounds like you've answered your own question, you find 7" tablets to small. Both are excellent tablets, you can't really go wrong with either of them.
I've not used a Nexus 7 but have used a Galaxy Tab 2 7" and I thought the size was great for what it was, small, pocketable but 7" tablets are rather small for day to day use (they're fine for reading PDFs though, Kindles are even smaller).
Personally I find 10" tablets to big.
For me the iPad Mini is pretty much the perfect tablet size but Apple products interest me not. I was interested in the Galaxy Tab 3 8" but oddly for Samsung their Galaxy Tab specs are low. I understand both the Galaxy Tab 3 8" and LG G Pad 8.3 are roughly the same size and crucially aspect ratio as the iPad Mini.
It's the wider nature of 8" tablets that interest me and of course the LG G Pad 8.3 is a much better tablet than the Galaxy Tab 3 8".
Sure I doubt LG will upgrade the version of Android much (if at all), their track record is poor but you know what Android 4.2.2 is already a decent version of Android and it's not as if Android 4.3/4.4 add much.
Yes not getting Android 5.0 (possibly) would irk me but it's all about the size and aspect ratio with a tablet for me and 8" tablets are the "sweet spot". Plus I like the look of QSlide, it doesn't look as useful as Samsung's Multi-Window but is the next best thing. Being able to display two apps at once on a tablet is genuinely useful.
p.s - IMO this whole phones/tablets not getting the latest Android version is overrated, you've still bought a decent product (hopefully) and the past few Android upgrades have been minor anyway. Android 4.0 came out 2 years ago!
Reading is amazing especially with Play Books on N7
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I think the LG is better. But nobosy knows when it will be released..
I had the Nexus 7(2013) and returned it because of the nonfunctional GPS and random reboot issues. From what I understand, the GPS now works, but the reboot issues persist, and some still complain of multitouch issues.
I've got the LG G2 and it's the best phone I've ever owned. With that said, I'm looking forward to the G Pad. The Q-Pair software looks really slick, in that you can tether to your phone(supposedly any Android phone) for a data connection with one click. It will also send and receive texts and phone calls from a connected phone.
As to the comments about one handed use, the G Pad is a hair under 1/2" wider than the Nexus 7, thanks to the thin bezel. LG supposedly studied average hand sizes to come up with comfortable overall dimensions.
I'd say if you want the bleeding edge latest-greatest version of Android, and can live with the smaller screen, Asus build quality, and random reboots, go with the Nexus 7.
If you don't mind slow or no software updates, but want a bigger screen, most likely superior build quality, and hopefully no random reboots, go with the G Pad 8.3. That said, I'd still wait for it to hit the market to see if any serious issues surface.
I'm in the same situation as you. I currently have the nexus 7 and love the screen quality and all. It's good for reading super small texts but I've always felt like 8 inch screen was the perfect size. I'm waiting to see when the lg comes out and the price. If it's $299, that's a bargain and I'm probably gonna sell my nexus 7 and get the LG. I'm not too worried about software with the LG because I know I'm gonna end up rooting it and installing AOSP on it eventually.
Also I feel like the nexus 7 doesn't have a great build quality. my nexus 7 most likely has a grounding issue (ie: I have touches not registering when I place it flat on my bed or table) but who knows maybe lg will have the same problem. I would say wait for lg to come out, play with it, then make your decision
LG is terrible with releasing updates for their products. I'd actually wait a bit to see if the dev community does anything for it. I had a phone from them that they basically stopped doing updates for a month after it was released, rendering it useless. I had bought it on the basis that they were going to release an update for it, and after a year, they didn't.
My Nexus 7 2013 have been great, and have neither multitouch or random reboot issues. If the Gpad can be rooted/unlocked/restored as easily as Nexus 7 and have a Dev community just as large I might consider it. Otherwise I prefer the Nexus 7.
I have an N7 2013 running PA to get the Tablet UI, which I feel works much better than Phablet mode (lots more real estate).
I do feel the N7 bezels are a waste and would much prefer an 8" tablet with much smaller bezels. I had an iPad mini before the N7 (my wife has it now!) and as much as iOS is boring, it worked much better as a tablet in terms of its size. So I'm thinking the LG would close that gap.
Like others, however, I feel it would need to be BL unlockable to make the switch. I have hope only because it's a WiFi only device, thus no carriers to be beholden to.
LG G Pad 8.3 to be available October 14th in Korea and other markets by the end of the year.
Price: 510$.
Ouch. Ouch. Ouch.
I love the new N7. I just got rid of my iPad 3, it was big and of course boring. I'm not experiencing any of those issues, I rooted and unlocked it straight outta the box, still running stock ROM. It's great for web browsing and everything else of course. I personally think this is the best tablet on the market. You can't go wrong with price, usability and support from Google and XDA.
For on the go, I like the 2013 N7. My 2012 got really laggy even after the update. There are a few bugs still with the touch response, but its better now. Ill still use an iPad 3 at home, mainly because the wife prefers Apple. The LG looks like it could be nice, but not for the rumor prices.
It's really about the tradeoff you want to make. The new N7 is great and it wins where Nexus devices win: frequent updates, freedom to flash and competitive pricing. If you're a person (like me) who likes to muck about a lot, there's no alternative. With non-Nexus devices, I think you have to ask yourself if you're potentially comfortable with that device as-is for the entire time you own it. If it never got a new feature or the newest OS base and the like, would you be satisfied with the purchase? If you feel good saying yes to that, it sounds to me like the screen size is a big feature for you, so I'd go that way. If you're putting your faith in an OEM to fix or improve software, there's history to support the conclusion that you will generally be disappointed, as a rule of thumb. Just go into the purchase with your eyes open to that likely scenario and you'll be fine.
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Today I went to a store to try again the Nexus 7 and I think I'm sold. Great screen, great materials, very nice to hold with one hand, stock android, etc. Then I tried the Note 8.0 and Tab 3 8.0 and they felt heavier and my hand got tired much quickly than with the Nexus 7. Screen was not that bad, but comparing touchwiz to stock on the Nexus 7 showed me again stock is better for a tablet.
I'm not gonna wait for the LG. Will try the Nexus 7 for a week and see how that goes.
Fistly, for comparing, we must try in hand G8.
I bought a month ago N7 lte, and now thinking to try G8, and if it will be the same in tactical feelings i prefer 8 inch vs 7 inch.
10 inches is big for mobility, 7 - small for reading. 8 - best compromise.
And of course, price is one more important factor.
Awesome. Awesome. Awesome.
This tablet is great. Bought it today to replace my Nexus 10, which is a great tablet but I just can't use it comfortably holding it for hours. Too heavy and big. Playing games was impossible, as doing almost everything else.
I wasn't quite sure about 7 inches, but after a couple of hours playing with the device I can say it's great. It's AWESOME being able to hold the tablet with one hand for long periods of time without problems.
The screen is even better than the one in my Nexus 10: more bright and better colors. It just pops out.
The performance is great also. It may be slightly slightly faster and more fluid. It's great having such a good GPU: the adreno 320. I've gotalso more RAM available now, since with the Nexus 10 we were losing more and more RAM with every update Google released. They were giving more memory to the GPU and in the end I only had 500MB free. Now I have 1,2GB! This is after all apps installed and everything obviously.
It's so light and comfortable. In the end this is the most important feature.
I'm super impressed with the quality of the speakers! So loud and clear! I got the 32GB model for 249. Great price.
I can definitely see that Google has put more care in the software performance of this device than on the Nexus 10. Performance is consistent, no lags, no reboots or freezes for now. Even touch response is better than on the Nexus 10. Trust me.
I can finally play games comfortably and do everything without having to hold in my hands such a huge tablet. No more 9 inch tablets or bigger for me thanks. Even 8 inches seems big now. I actually tried the Note 8.0 and Tab 3 8.0 on the store before buying the Nexus 7 and they weren't as comfortable to hold as the Nexus 7. The plastic was horrible and it slips out of my hands. Touchwiz didn't perform half as quick and smooth as stock on the Nexus 7.
This is the best experience I've had with Android definitely. Can't imaging how Google will be able to improve this hardware anymore in the next versions. The materials are excellent, screen can't be better, loud speakers... and I'm even getting great battery life.
Now just waiting for 4.4. So happy right now. Selling my Nexus 10 this week.
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That's the conversion price. you can't go off of that because the US price will be different from the won price. example: the note 8 has the same won price as the lg g pad but only costed $400 in the US. the ipad mini was 640,000 won (vs 650,000 for note 8 and lg g pad) and only costed $329 in the US. only way to tell the true cost will be to wait until they release that info for the US, which is after South Korea so next!
Shameless plug to my own article, but this is hot off the press. It seems that the HTC Volantis will be the next Nexus tablet. Pretty impressive specs.....big price to match. What do you guys think?
http://www.examiner.com/article/the-htc-volantis-is-set-to-be-the-next-google-nexus-tablet
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Shameless plug to my own article, but this is hot off the press. It seems that the HTC Volantis will be the next Nexus tablet. Pretty impressive specs.....big price to match. What do you guys think?
http://www.examiner.com/article/the-htc-volantis-is-set-to-be-the-next-google-nexus-tablet
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4:3? $399 for 16GB?? It would take a lot for me to buy a Touchwiz Tablet over a Nexus but this would do it. If that is how it will be I will be buying a Galaxy Tab S 8.4" instead of this thing. 80% of my daily tablet is usage is watching videos of some sort and 4:3 just don't work for that at this age.
Plus I wouldn't call the spec impressively, 2GB Ram is standard nowadays and Tegra K1 is nice, but 2048X1536(reported as 2048x1440 due to onscreen buttons) is lower res than Tab Pro/Tab S 8.4 and Kindle Fire HDX(all are 8.9" and smaller with 2560x1600 res).
brett_day said:
Shameless plug to my own article, but this is hot off the press. It seems that the HTC Volantis will be the next Nexus tablet. Pretty impressive specs.....big price to match. What do you guys think?
http://www.examiner.com/article/the-htc-volantis-is-set-to-be-the-next-google-nexus-tablet
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I can't see Google going with 4:3 and only 2gb of RAM. Both are non starters for me. I would buy a Galaxy Tab Pro before this and deal with the darn physical button(s).
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Out of all the specs listed I was most surprised that it is only rumored to have 2gb of RAM. With a 64-bit processor in tow, I was expecting more. Just remember that these are just rumored specs. Still $399 is a little steep, however I would still pick one up over other devices just because of quick updates, hopefully easy boot loader unlocking and, quality ROM development.
I agree that I thought the spec's to be a bit lack for such a long wait (Q4) but the upside is the 64-bit processor. I got tired of waiting so I ordered a Tab S 8.4 and I will buy a Note 4 when it's released. . I am at the point with Android that I think it works well in regards to performance and I usually replace my devices every couple of years so I am less reliant on updates. I haven't even rooted my latest tablet ( Note Pro 12.2). So in other words I will be passing on this one.
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I agree that I thought the spec's to be a bit lack for such a long wait (Q4) but the upside is the 64-bit processor. I got tired of waiting so I ordered a Tab S 8.4 and I will buy a Note 4 when it's released. . I am at the point with Android that I think it works well in regards to performance and I usually replace my devices every couple of years so I am less reliant on updates. I haven't even rooted my latest tablet ( Note Pro 12.2). So in other words I will be passing on this one.
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Yeah the Tegra K1 is certainly an interesting processor, and it will be interesting to see how Google approach 64-bit Android. I agree with you that Android is at a point where rooting and rom'ing to get enhanced performance has perhaps seen it's hey dey, but regardless of that, there will always be those who love to tinker Why Google seem to be going the route they are is beyond me, I would rather have a slightly less premium build quality in terms of material used to cut costs, but obviously there has been enough demand, or their have been enough voices raised for them to ditch plastic in favor of aluminum. I will just stick with my Nexus 7, it already does everything I need it to do, and it's at a price that I can live with
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Yeah the Tegra K1 is certainly an interesting processor, and it will be interesting to see how Google approach 64-bit Android. I agree with you that Android is at a point where rooting and rom'ing to get enhanced performance has perhaps seen it's hey dey, but regardless of that, there will always be those who love to tinker Why Google seem to be going the route they are is beyond me, I would rather have a slightly less premium build quality in terms of material used to cut costs, but obviously there has been enough demand, or their have been enough voices raised for them to ditch plastic in favor of aluminum. I will just stick with my Nexus 7, it already does everything I need it to do, and it's at a price that I can live with
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I concur with what you said, plus Nexus 7 have the aspect ratio that I prefer(16:10). So if Google wants to sell Nexus 9 with those specs and 4:3 aspect ratio then I will just keep my Nexus 7 and wait till a new 16:10 Gpe/Silver Tablet or the next 16:10 Nexus tablet instead.
Also, reading that a LTE model could cost $600? I was really hoping for more. But we will know offically next week at I/O. If thats all we really have foward to, I will probably make Galaxy Tab S 10" my next device. I have been wanting a bigger tablet and LTE. I was hoping for it here, but if this proves to the final model. Ill move on. I love ease of rooting, unlocking bootloader and contract free. We know Nexus targets that middle ground. But if this is the middle ground with high end pricing, im not so sure they will make a impact.
Only 2GB of RAM blows my mind.
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Also, reading that a LTE model could cost $600? I was really hoping for more. But we will know offically next week at I/O. If thats all we really have foward to, I will probably make Galaxy Tab S 10" my next device. I have been wanting a bigger tablet and LTE. I was hoping for it here, but if this proves to the final model. Ill move on. I love ease of rooting, unlocking bootloader and contract free. We know Nexus targets that middle ground. But if this is the middle ground with high end pricing, im not so sure they will make a impact.
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Not sure if they will say much about Volantis/flounder at I/O if it is due in Q4, the most they do is show off some Android L features like how Apple did with iOS8 at WWDC.
I do get the feeling they will announce a few new Gpe/Silver devices as 4(Galaxy S4, HTC One 2013, Xperia Z Ultra & Gpad 8.3) out of 6 current Gpe devices have gone out of stock recently. I am hoping for a Galaxy Tab S 8.4/10.5 Gpe release.
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Only 2GB of RAM blows my mind.
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Same here, Basically this a device that is out-speced by the recently announced Galaxy Tab S 8.4(same price and have SD slot) in every aspect aside from the SOC. It would be a really tough sell at its Q4 release date.
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Not sure if they will say much about Volantis/flounder at I/O if it is due in Q4, the most they do is show off some Android L features like how Apple did with iOS8 at WWDC.
I do get the feeling they will announce a few new Gpe/Silver devices as 4(Galaxy S4, HTC One 2013, Xperia Z Ultra & Gpad 8.3) out of 6 current Gpe devices have gone out of stock recently. I am hoping for a Galaxy Tab S 8.4/10.5 Gpe release.
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I would most certainly go with a GPE Tab S. But i want the multi window. Is it on Nexus 7 2013 through Xposed? I haven't look. That's probably the only feature that i would like. Especially on a 10"
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I would most certainly go with a GPE Tab S. But i want the multi window. Is it on Nexus 7 2013 through Xposed? I haven't look. That's probably the only feature that i would like. Especially on a 10"
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It is not a xposed feature, it is an OmniROM feature that is still in early beta. I think it might work eventually but if you want stable multi-window I guess you have no option but to put up with Touchwiz for now.
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It is not a xposed feature, it is an OmniROM feature that is still in early beta. I think it might work eventually but if you want stable multi-window I guess you have no option but to put up with Touchwiz for now.
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I don't care for tw, but like the multi window feature. My only hesitant waiting for another rooting and unlocking exploit for a Samsung device. There is always hope. But I love the ease of,
fastboot oem unlock.
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I don't believe any of this news (rumor) neither the date nor the aspect ratio (4:3) I believe aren't consistent