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Project Leapfrog - Sprint is going to LTE...starting now!

http://m.engadget.com/default/artic...rk-upgrade-is-un/&category=classic&postPage=1
Not sure what they're leapfrogging over, but sure.
Maybe the true EVO 2 will have LTE!
Also says something about the planned upgrade to the current CDMA network, and killing off iDEN.
Like Carbon Fiber? EVO.carbonfibermagic.com

They need to fix project ****ty 3g first.

skillzo1 said:
They need to fix project ****ty 3g first.
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That's what I think, too!

If they move to LTE, all us us evo owner's should get a free upgrade to an lte phone, as our phones will be useless for what we bought them for.

If the rest of the post is also correct, they are releasing a wimax version of the blackberry tablet later this year...which indicates they aren't phasing out wimax just yet. so, no...prolly not getting a free upgrade out of this.

tejasrichard said:
If the rest of the post is also correct, they are releasing a wimax version of the blackberry tablet later this year...which indicates they aren't phasing out wimax just yet. so, no...prolly not getting a free upgrade out of this.
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Exactly...2-3 years until they're converted to lte, so wimax as normal.

Old news that I've probably mentioned 6 times since posting in this very section. Project Leapfrog was the codename for Sprint's Network Vision. I'm just patiently waiting for Sprint/Clearwire to officially announce LTE is a go, so I could retire this topic. Sprint's ****ty 3G network will be taken care of by this same project they've mentioned since December.

skillzo1 said:
They need to fix project ****ty 3g first.
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****ing LOL....I about damn near fell off my chair.
but on to other things...yes this is old news

sitlet said:
If they move to LTE, all us us evo owner's should get a free upgrade to an lte phone, as our phones will be useless for what we bought them for.
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By that point you should have a new phone.
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zikronix said:
****ing LOL....I about damn near fell off my chair.
but on to other things...yes this is old news
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Lmfao me too
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Isn't wimax to LTE as simple as a change in software? I could be wrong but I was under the impression that the wimax chips in our evos could in theory pick up the low frequency signal of LTE. Then again, I have no idea just reposting what I've heard said elsewhere.

ryudosama said:
Isn't wimax to LTE as simple as a change in software? I could be wrong but I was under the impression that the wimax chips in our evos could in theory pick up the low frequency signal of LTE. Then again, I have no idea just reposting what I've heard said elsewhere.
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On the tower side, the hardware used in the base-stations can apparently be updated very readily -- swapping some circuit boards, and doing a software update, to make them LTE ready.
As to our phones, there is some disagreement. The LTE spec allows carriers to use frequencies in the range of those that our phones can already receive. Whether the hardware/software combination exists to let our phones receive LTE data, is up to debate. Many say no, but based on the spec, a Wimax antenna operating in the either the 800Mhz, 1.6Ghz or 2Ghz range can receive the signals (see Uplink and Downlink bands here: http://www.radio-electronics.com/in...ong-term-evolution/lte-frequency-spectrum.php), but can the phone discriminate and use what it receives? Who knows...

Great move if you ask me. And I don't know about anyone else but the places I've lived and traveling the Midwest parts of the south and here in the west coast sprints 3g has been my favorite. I also have an att and T-Mobile phone for business.... now talk about ****ty coverage lol.

T-Mobile: 1900mhz baseband live in New Orleans

So after reading a Thread about it going live in Pittsburgh, I figured i'd contact t-mobile myself to confirm if I had access in New Orleans.
!Socorro S: Welcome to T--Mobile Live Chat! My name is Socorro sj and my Rep i.d. is xxxxx.
!Socorro S: Can you give me 3-4 minutes to look it uo for you?
Me: Yes, thank you.
!Socorro S: what type of phone do you have?
Me: I currently have a monthly4g plan w/ T-mobile. I wanted to purchase the international version of the Samsung galaxy note (GT-n7000). The phone doesn't have the 1700mhz base band
!Socorro S: Hello, are you still there?
Me: I heard T-mobile was refarming the 1900mhz base band for data and has deployed it in some areas.
!Socorro S: Oh, okay. Let me look into that, and thanks for the info.
Me: If you need any other information, feel free to ask
!Socorro S: Let me check on my resources here. I will be right back, in about 4-5 minutes. Is this okay with you?
Me: That's fine.
!Socorro S: what phone do you have now. Prepaid Accounts do not show us the type of phone customer has.
Me: That's odd.
Me: I have a Samsung Exhibit II 4G
!Socorro S: Yes, 900mhz band for data live in New Orleans.
Me: I'm sorry, do you mean 1900mhz?
!Socorro S: 1 mean, 1900mhz, sorry.
Me: Oh, that is great news!
!Socorro S: Anything else I can be of further help today?
Me: I have one other question.
!Socorro S: Sure!
Me: Is it possible to confirm if the samsung galaxy note will be coming to T-mobile under contract?
!Socorro S: There are conditions/eligibilities to follow. However, for this request, you will need to speak with our Customer Care experts.They can be reached by dialing 611 from your handset or 1-800-937-8997
Me: Alright. Thank you for your help!
!Socorro S: Thank you for contacting T-Mobile Live Chat. Have a great day ahead of you!
!Socorro S: and, thanks much, too, for being such a wonderful and valued customer!
Me: Thank you. Have a good day.
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As you can see, 1900mhz baseband for data is spreading. Looks like people with quadband radios can finally rejoice. New Orleans seems to be one of the last places to get anything, so this was a shock to me.

Is 1900 MHz the frequency that AT&T uses? I can't remember. I would love to use 3G on my Droid 3.

MrObvious said:
Is 1900 MHz the frequency that AT&T uses? I can't remember. I would love to use 3G on my Droid 3.
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taken from the wikipedia page:
DROID 3: CDMA2000 800/1900, EV-DO Rev. A
GSM 850/900/1800/1900 UMTS
WCDMA 850/1900/2100

That's not what I asked. I meant does that mean 1900 MHz will be what T-Mobile will allow now that they didn't before?
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Synthetickiller said:
So after reading a Thread about it going live in Pittsburgh, I figured i'd contact t-mobile myself to confirm if I had access in New Orleans.
As you can see, 1900mhz baseband for data is spreading. Looks like people with quadband radios can finally rejoice. New Orleans seems to be one of the last places to get anything, so this was a shock to me.
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We've been fairly blessed with wireless tech implementation in new orleans thoguh, we were one of the very first to get ATT LTE and had very early ATT 3g rollouts here too, as was the case with the 3g rollout The large number of events being held in the New Orleans area plays a huge role in their decisions, it was a superbowl and final four that did it for 3g and the BCS championship that did it for ATT LTE and superbowl this year as well all play a role and hey ill take it right

Sorry to bump an old thread - but New Orleans definitely has NOT been refarmed yet. I am sitting in the middle of downtown NOLA right across from Tulane Medical School and my Pre 3 only gets ****ty E.
I called 3 T Mobile stores about when the refarm is going to happen and they gave me three different answers - by the end of the month - by the end of summer - and in 3 weeks.
It has been 1 week since I called so I guess we'll see what happens.

Ladholyman said:
Sorry to bump an old thread - but New Orleans definitely has NOT been refarmed yet. I am sitting in the middle of downtown NOLA right across from Tulane Medical School and my Pre 3 only gets ****ty E.
I called 3 T Mobile stores about when the refarm is going to happen and they gave me three different answers - by the end of the month - by the end of summer - and in 3 weeks.
It has been 1 week since I called so I guess we'll see what happens.
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They have no clue, anyone who knows won't be on the phone, I played the same game with them a year ago, I don't honk they'll do it till LTE isn't this market, I mean they didn't do it for 2012 when we had so many HUGE world stage events hosted here Super Bowl most recently, I mean ATT managed an Entire LTE deployment of SE Louisiana just for all the conventions and events to promote their LTE service, and its damned nice but I checked weekly with t-mobile with nothing, and the thing is, usually you know before hand when it's coming because they are doing tests at least in the CBD for a while before the officially "flip the switch.
I'm actually on the opposite end now, I'm using my tmobile mytouch 3G slide on ATT EDGE, actually do you want to meet up somewhere public and trade phones? Let me know either way, now that I'm focused on it I need to get back on at least 3G.

FiveOhFour said:
They have no clue, anyone who knows won't be on the phone, I played the same game with them a year ago, I don't honk they'll do it till LTE isn't this market, I mean they didn't do it for 2012 when we had so many HUGE world stage events hosted here Super Bowl most recently, I mean ATT managed an Entire LTE deployment of SE Louisiana just for all the conventions and events to promote their LTE service, and its damned nice but I checked weekly with t-mobile with nothing, and the thing is, usually you know before hand when it's coming because they are doing tests at least in the CBD for a while before the officially "flip the switch.
I'm actually on the opposite end now, I'm using my tmobile mytouch 3G slide on ATT EDGE, actually do you want to meet up somewhere public and trade phones? Let me know either way, now that I'm focused on it I need to get back on at least 3G.
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I love my Pre 3. Webos is slick, slick, slick. Edge is not. It's like having a Cadillac and being forced to drive on the bike lane.

FiveOhFour said:
They have no clue, anyone who knows won't be on the phone, I played the same game with them a year ago, I don't honk they'll do it till LTE isn't this market, I mean they didn't do it for 2012 when we had so many HUGE world stage events hosted here Super Bowl most recently, I mean ATT managed an Entire LTE deployment of SE Louisiana just for all the conventions and events to promote their LTE service, and its damned nice but I checked weekly with t-mobile with nothing, and the thing is, usually you know before hand when it's coming because they are doing tests at least in the CBD for a while before the officially "flip the switch.
I'm actually on the opposite end now, I'm using my tmobile mytouch 3G slide on ATT EDGE, actually do you want to meet up somewhere public and trade phones? Let me know either way, now that I'm focused on it I need to get back on at least 3G.
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You DO realize that the rollout of the highspeed wireless is to encourage people to buy their phones to tether them to their home computers at a huge markup because most of the telco lines and cable is still in bad repair from disasters/floods of the recent past. Don't think for a second AT&T is being "nice", it's a marketing strategy. However, congratulations on receiving an actual usable 4G signal out there!

I cant wait to for phoenix,A.Z. to get 4G lte.It probably wont get here until Oct,Nov of 2013
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rp56 said:
I cant wait to for phoenix,A.Z. to get 4G lte.It probably wont get here until Oct,Nov of 2013
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Should be soon. Any place that has refarmed 3g will be easy to upgrade because it's software at that point. The refarm is taking advantage of new panels and hardware that supports LTE-10 and PCS/AWS DC-HSPA all from the same panel. I think they are just testing KC/Vegas for LTE right now and apparently are having more problems getting it working right then they care to admit, as it's not as simple as UTMS is since that's an older tech and LTE-10 is brand new and not well tested.

900mhz band for data live in New Orleans.
Oh. 900mhz band for data live in New Orleans is not too bad :highfive:

Cynagen said:
You DO realize that the rollout of the highspeed wireless is to encourage people to buy their phones to tether them to their home computers at a huge markup because most of the telco lines and cable is still in bad repair from disasters/floods of the recent past. Don't think for a second AT&T is being "nice", it's a marketing strategy. However, congratulations on receiving an actual usable 4G signal out there!
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I DON'T beieve you are responding to anything I actually wrote, but your assertions are based on bad info.
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Oh. 900mhz band for data live in New Orleans is not too bad :highfive:
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What?!? Did you mean 1900 or were you actually saying something about delivering data over 900mhz band.

Another week waiting for Godot. Come on now, T-Mobile.

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I DON'T beieve you are responding to anything I actually wrote, but your assertions are based on bad info.
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What?!? Did you mean 1900 or were you actually saying something about delivering data over 900mhz band.
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Bad info? I used to work for AT&T a few years AFTER Katrina. That was STILL a complete and utter mess even when I started. Yes, it's been some time since I was working for the big blue Deathstar™ now, but you've never seen all the red tape inside that goes into every little stupid detail. You are correct, I was not directly responding, merely passing comment, so feel free to ignore me at your own whim.

[Q] Anyone understand TMobile-USA's HSPA+?

So T-Mobile USA has been branding their improved HSPA+ as 4G for quite a while and they have also been making physical changes to phones to get them to support up to 42mbps. Now it appears that they are doing the same to the Nexus 4.
In theory, 21mbps is plenty fast and in fact faster than most LTE phones get as actual download speed today but of course 21 is not actual speed. So with AT&T for example, you could be on their LTE network with a max speed much higher than 21 but actually get 15mbps while their HSPA+ network with max speed of 21 would give you only 4-5.
My question for anyone that knows this issue well: Is it the same case with TMobile's network? If you get the stock Nexus 4 capped at 21mbps and someone with a tmobile 42mbps phone is getting an actual speed of 15mbps, are you likely to get the same 15 or something lower?
TIA, Babak

You will get lower.
I have a gnex with 21 Mbps and before that I had a mytouch 4g with 14.4Mbps. Without changing the location (boston) where I was using T-mobile's network I see faster (not huge increase) network speeds with the Gnex.
BUT Google has the Tech specs sheet https://sites.google.com/site/androidpresssite/home/tech-specs
And here it seems that the Nexus 4 on the play store will be the exact same model as the T-mobile version (42Mbps) so I think everyone gets the good speeds (I hope!)

The question is...is the specs on the google play page a typo or a hidden feature (42Mbps via software/radio flash) or a different phone (SKU etc)?
If there is a special N4 phone for TMO, then, there will be different FCC reports indicating as such. One for the Play Store and one for TMo. We'll just have to keep an eye out and see.
I'm coming from a GNex and I haven't any complaints w.r.t. download speeds.
What I find really lame is the pricing that TMo has set if you buy their phone. Right now it is rumored to be $200 + $20 for 20 months. Currently, there is no full buy-out price except for what is listed on the Play Store.

Saturn1217 said:
You will get lower.
I have a gnex with 21 Mbps and before that I had a mytouch 4g with 14.4Mbps. Without changing the location (boston) where I was using T-mobile's network I see faster (not huge increase) network speeds with the Gnex.
BUT Google has the Tech specs sheet https://sites.google.com/site/androidpresssite/home/tech-specs
And here it seems that the Nexus 4 on the play store will be the exact same model as the T-mobile version (42Mbps) so I think everyone gets the good speeds (I hope!)
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Thank you very much for that insight. I haven't verified this independently but this implies that it's not the same phone and that the Play Store version will not get 42mbps:
http://phandroid.com/2012/10/29/t-mobile-nexus-4-price/
The price also implies that it can't be the same device!

bfspider said:
The question is...is the specs on the google play page a typo or a hidden feature (42Mbps via software/radio flash) or a different phone (SKU etc)?
If there is a special N4 phone for TMO, then, there will be different FCC reports indicating as such. One for the Play Store and one for TMo. We'll just have to keep an eye out and see.
I'm coming from a GNex and I haven't any complaints w.r.t. download speeds.
What I find really lame is the pricing that TMo has set if you buy their phone. Right now it is rumored to be $200 + $20 for 20 months. Currently, there is no full buy-out price except for what is listed on the Play Store.
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Exactly! See my post above, but looking at previous pricing by TMO, it does appear that the retail price can't be only $350. If it was, this would come out to an APR of 132%!!!

bmozaffari said:
Exactly! See my post above, but looking at previous pricing by TMO, it does appear that the retail price can't be only $350. If it was, this would come out to an APR of 132%!!!
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Looks like the phone from the Play Store does support 42Mbps..
http://www.androidcentral.com/fyi-nexus-4-rocks-42-mbps

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First, the radio speed is a maximum potential speed in ideal conditions. If you take a phone with a 21mbps radio, paired with a tower capable of 21mbps, you'd need to be under ideal conditions to get anywhere near it. I have a 21mbps radio in my SGS 2, but I'm on AT&T Medianet, so the best I've seen is around 7-7.5mbps (I suspect that 7.2 is the cap on Medianet). My wife has an iPhone 4s with a 14mbps radio, and the best I've seen on hers (legita unlimited plan unlike my medianet) was 8-9mbps.
As far as I remember, AT&T only supports up to 21mbps, so phones with a 21 or 42mbps radio on AT&T will have the same performance. But, a 42mbps radio on T-Mobile's 42mbps network will see higher performance than a phone with a 21mbps radio on the same network. I have seen people here and on other forums show off speedtest results in excess of 20mbps on T-Mobile's network. Naturally, your speeds will come down to many factors, to include obstructions, signal strength, distance to tower, local network congestion, swamp gas reflecting off venus, etc.

Vanhoud said:
Only the tmobile version will support hspa42
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there is no such thing as a "tmo" version.

Well thanks to those who've confirmed that there is indeed a speed difference even under 21mbps between a TMO and standard phone but as far as the Nexus 4 in the Play Store, I'm no less confused...
It appears to me that come November 13, Play Store will feature a TMO version at a higher price but I'm not 100% sure yet.

bmozaffari said:
Well thanks to those who've confirmed that there is indeed a speed difference even under 21mbps between a TMO and standard phone but as far as the Nexus 4 in the Play Store, I'm no less confused...
It appears to me that come November 13, Play Store will feature a TMO version at a higher price but I'm not 100% sure yet.
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If, and I do mean if, there are two versions, the T-Mobile "version" (which would just have different radios) would be directly from T-Mobile, probably not in the Play store. Probably.

Ajfink said:
If, and I do mean if, there are two versions, the T-Mobile "version" (which would just have different radios) would be directly from T-Mobile, probably not in the Play store. Probably.
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See the availability section in the bottom, it does say it will be available in the Play Store as well as select T-Mobile stores:
http://www.tmonews.com/2012/10/t-mobile-confirms-nexus-4-hspa-42mbps-connectivity/

So is HSPA+ 42Mbps the same thing as having DC-HSDPA?
I am wondering and hoping so. Right now I use Vodafone here in Australia and the new 3G+ network has DC-HSPDA but only the dreaded Apple devices support it so far.

Odd.
On the Play Store, it claims pentaband HSPA+21.
On the TMO announcement, it claims quad-band HSPA+42.
Either there are different radios, or there's a typo on one or both spec sheets.

funkyblue04 said:
So is HSPA+ 42Mbps the same thing as having DC-HSDPA?
I am wondering and hoping so. Right now I use Vodafone here in Australia and the new 3G+ network has DC-HSPDA but only the dreaded Apple devices support it so far.
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I don't think so. DC appears to be dual cell whereas TMO has its own made-up thing that no Apple product supports.

jaykresge said:
Odd.
On the Play Store, it claims pentaband HSPA+21.
On the TMO announcement, it claims quad-band HSPA+42.
Either there are different radios, or there's a typo on one or both spec sheets.
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I think it is a typo or something that needs to be added to the spec sheet on the play store. If there is a "TMo version" aka different SKUs, then, it will pop up in the FCC reports.

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On the TMO announcement, it claims quad-band HSPA+42.
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It says "quad band" but then it lists 5 different bands, so that's clearly just a typo.
There is only one version of this phone being sold worldwide. People are reading way too much into what are clearly typos.

drumist said:
It says "quad band" but then it lists 5 different bands, so that's clearly just a typo.
There is only one version of this phone being sold worldwide. People are reading way too much into what are clearly typos.
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FWIW, that has never happened before. There has never been a phone sold by anyone other than TMO (or at least expressly for use on TMO) that has had support for 42mbps on their network. On the other hand, if I recall correctly, Google did sell different models of Nexus One for AT&T and TMO on their own site.

bmozaffari said:
FWIW, that has never happened before. There has never been a phone sold by anyone other than TMO (or at least expressly for use on TMO) that has had support for 42mbps on their network. On the other hand, if I recall correctly, Google did sell different models of Nexus One for AT&T and TMO on their own site.
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Not true, the miui phone supports dchspa and I'm pretty sure the iPhone does too. The unlocked version.
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bmozaffari said:
FWIW, that has never happened before. There has never been a phone sold by anyone other than TMO (or at least expressly for use on TMO) that has had support for 42mbps on their network. On the other hand, if I recall correctly, Google did sell different models of Nexus One for AT&T and TMO on their own site.
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Right, but the Nexus One wasn't pentaband. It just doesn't make any sense to make a 21mbps version and a 42mbps version, when literally nothing else is different.
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Not true, the miui phone supports dchspa and I'm pretty sure the iPhone does too. The unlocked version.
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The iPhone 5 supports DC-HSDPA, but doesn't support T-Mobile's primary 3G frequency band. So you would only be able to get a 3G signal in select areas that have T-Mobile 1900MHz 3G towers, which aren't in many areas yet.

I see band 12 will be on the N6

This will be one of the first phones to have B12 available. This should make T-Mobile fans very happy.

jawmail said:
This will be one of the first phones to have B12 available. This should make T-Mobile fans very happy.
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How come? I'm honestly confused

Jimlarck said:
How come? I'm honestly confused
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Better penetration thru buildings with band 12

Lancez said:
Better penetration thru buildings with band 12
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Oh sweet I love penetration

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This will be one of the first phones to have B12 available. This should make T-Mobile fans very happy.
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Yeah, it's kind of inexplicable why the Nexus 6 covers so many more bands than the Moto X. It's basically the same hardware, would have been easy to do on Moto X.

"penetration through buildings" LOL

Yeah, it's kind of inexplicable why the Nexus 6 covers so many more bands than the Moto X. It's basically the same hardware, would have been easy to do on Moto X.
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Correction! It looks the same, but the HW is entirely different on the inside.
This is closer HW wise to a Droid Turbo than a MotoX, the only relation between the MotoX and the N6 is aesthetics.

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Oh sweet I love penetration
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Seriously laughed hard at this. Thank you.
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Super happy about band 12 support. I had a vzw gnex with band 13 (upper 700 mhz ) and it was awesome.... Full speed in the basement of a 30 storey building . When I noticed I was like WTF? Hell yeah!
Can't wait to get back to that... My home and work are in a band 12 market for tmobile.
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Also... Here's the map and info
https://sites.google.com/site/cellularbinder/t-mobile-700a-spectrum
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dave2metz said:
"penetration through buildings" LOL
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Glory hole?

jawmail said:
This will be one of the first phones to have B12 available. This should make T-Mobile fans very happy.
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When is T-Mobile starting to deploy LTE on B12?

Is band 12 used everywhere by TMob or only certain regions? I don't have any TMob reception using a G3, but that has no band 12. Can I expect the N6 to be better?

ECrispy said:
Is band 12 used everywhere by TMob or only certain regions? I don't have any TMob reception using a G3, but that has no band 12. Can I expect the N6 to be better?
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Check out the map above on post 9. Band 12 acquisitions have been rolling out all over but in certain large markets they are limited to Verizon... See the red circles on the map. Those were retained by Verizon but nearby areas are T-Mobile.
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I see places on that map with my current Nexus 5 that I only have E on my phone but it is covered in the red band 12 area. With this band 12 will that mean I will have 4g/lte in the same places with the nexus 6?

jcarlm said:
I see places on that map with my current Nexus 5 that I only have E on my phone but it is covered in the red band 12 area. With this band 12 will that mean I will have 4g/lte in the same places with the nexus 6?
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Basically yes once it's activated, you have T-Mobile service and you're near a tower

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Basically yes once it's activated, you have T-Mobile service and you're near a tower
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Example: at my work I have E (we cant bring our phone into work so it doesn't matter to me). On the map it shows that where I work is in red (I assume that is the band 12), then I would now have 4g/LTE with the new band on the Nexus 6.
I felt like my last post didn't make sense and I hope this one does.

jcarlm said:
Example: at my work I have E (we cant bring our phone into work so it doesn't matter to me). On the map it shows that where I work is in red (I assume that is the band 12), then I would now have 4g/LTE with the new band on the Nexus 6.
I felt like my last post didn't make sense and I hope this one does.
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Correct although it might not be live yet on actual towers. Some markets are up right now... In total the map shows acquisitions not coverage as it stands today.
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So is this "Band 12 better wall penetration" only for T-Mobile users or will it benefit all carriers? Just a little confused by frequencies and stuff of that sort.

All of South Jersey/Philly/MD is covered in red.
Oh hell yes, 4G everywhere I drive FINALLY!!

Anyone with Axon 7 on T-Mobile and have LTE Speed issues?

I am embarrassed to say what my mobile speeds are. Notification area shows 4G LTE. T-Mobile blames it (of course...) on the fact that this is not a T-Mobile phone and a contributing factor is "network congestion in the Boston area" (about 15 miles west of Boston, around 128).
All other phones in the house are non-T-Mobile neither and all of them (One+ 1, Nexus 5, Nexus 5x, iPhone 7 Plus) show similar ludicrous speeds (below 2 Mbps download; highest was 11.48).
Any idea, similar experience?
Thanks.

Yeah I'm getting the same thing, mine is usually around 6-11 sometimes much lower. Same thing for my Nexus 6p
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Definitely not having that experience over here. Nothing changed when I got this device.

antpaige said:
Yeah I'm getting the same thing, mine is usually around 6-11 sometimes much lower. Same thing for my Nexus 6p
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warBeard_actual said:
Definitely not having that experience over here. Nothing changed when I got this device.
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May I ask which part of the US are both of you located?

sbi1 said:
May I ask which part of the US are both of you located?
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I'm located in Manchester Connecticut
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Hi - I'm getting great speeds, even on band 12 indoors...so T-Mobile would seem to be full of crap in saying the Axon 7 is the issue, unless your handset has an issue? I'm using stock B25 Nougat.
Geographically I'm in the Rocky Mountains in Steamboat Springs, CO. I use MintSIM but it's the same as T-Mobile towers-wise.
One thought I had...maybe you're stuck on a congested band and are not getting carrier aggregation? I do have a sneaking suspicion that the Axon 7 isn't properly doing carrier aggregation...I'm not sure, but it does seem that I'm not getting band 2+12 aggregation though it's hard to say.

North of Stillwater, Oklahoma. No issues here.

It's been up and down for me.

warBeard_actual said:
Definitely not having that experience over here. Nothing changed when I got this device.
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So jealous. You got some awesome throughput there.
I only did several tests over a one day period. Oh-dark-thirty is always the best time of course.
You could see how bad it is when everyone is online after 5pm.
I'm in Los Angeles County. T-Mobile.
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I have had lots of trouble the past couple of days. Super slow speeds and impossible to have lte in my office. Had to switch to 4g to get data. Not sure what's going on, but TMobile is doing something. My coworkers are having issues as well...

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Hi - I'm getting great speeds, even on band 12 indoors...so T-Mobile would seem to be full of crap in saying the Axon 7 is the issue, unless your handset has an issue? I'm using stock B25 Nougat.
Geographically I'm in the Rocky Mountains in Steamboat Springs, CO. I use MintSIM but it's the same as T-Mobile towers-wise.
One thought I had...maybe you're stuck on a congested band and are not getting carrier aggregation? I do have a sneaking suspicion that the Axon 7 isn't properly doing carrier aggregation...I'm not sure, but it does seem that I'm not getting band 2+12 aggregation though it's hard to say.
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OK, so lets assume I am stuck on a congested band - how do 'release' it?
I am on B25 as well.

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OK, so lets assume I am stuck on a congested band - how do 'release' it?
I am on B25 as well.
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Unfortunately there isn't really a way to force a change LTE bands without physically moving yourself to a different geographic area, as far as I know (aside from some pretty deep hacking of the NV memory with QXDM...but I'm not sure if anyone's figured out how to get the Axon 7 into diagnostic mode and/or found the Windows drivers to make it connect...so even this might be impossible).
T-Mobile is in control of what band/cell ID your phone will use, in light of the various cells the phone can "see," I believe. Do you know what band your phone is using? If you're on band 12 in an urban area it's not uncommon for it to be pretty slow as T-Mo doesn't have a lot of spectrum in that range so it can be a bit congested. I've found that when in down in the city my phone can be a lot slower than it is here in the mountains just due (I think) to all the additional competing users.
I'd suggest downloading the app "LTE Discovery" and then checking what band you're on...then take your phone outside or somewhere else if necessary and see if you can get it to latch onto a different cell/band and see if there's any improvement in the Speed Tests. Obviously, this won't fix your core issue but at least you'd know if it's your handset at fault or simply T-Mobile's problem of too many users on too few airwaves.
Also, do you see better results at various times of the day or are the tests pretty much always abysmal?

flyer_andy said:
Unfortunately there isn't really a way to force a change LTE bands without physically moving yourself to a different geographic area, as far as I know (aside from some pretty deep hacking of the NV memory with QXDM...but I'm not sure if anyone's figured out how to get the Axon 7 into diagnostic mode and/or found the Windows drivers to make it connect...so even this might be impossible).
T-Mobile is in control of what band/cell ID your phone will use, in light of the various cells the phone can "see," I believe. Do you know what band your phone is using? If you're on band 12 in an urban area it's not uncommon for it to be pretty slow as T-Mo doesn't have a lot of spectrum in that range so it can be a bit congested. I've found that when in down in the city my phone can be a lot slower than it is here in the mountains just due (I think) to all the additional competing users.
I'd suggest downloading the app "LTE Discovery" and then checking what band you're on...then take your phone outside or somewhere else if necessary and see if you can get it to latch onto a different cell/band and see if there's any improvement in the Speed Tests. Obviously, this won't fix your core issue but at least you'd know if it's your handset at fault or simply T-Mobile's problem of too many users on too few airwaves.
Also, do you see better results at various times of the day or are the tests pretty much always abysmal?
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Thank you for your detailed response!
Indeed, band 12 based on LTE Discovery and unfortunately the slow speed is typical throughout the day, regardless of day/time.
I'll check again (speeds and bands) when I travel.
Thanks again.

in Oconee County SC, T-mobile data is either excellent or non-existent. Anywhere mountainous has virtually no signal. Salem SC, Mtn Rest, SC have zero service at all on Axon 7 on Tmobile. Looking at tower locations I can see why. There are only towers in the most populated areas. Its kind of a letdown to finally have service in my office, yet have nothing at all (no voice, no txt, no email/data) in 30% of my work area. Really hoping Tmob/Sprint deal happens and their networks are merged. mind you, axon 7 will still be useless in that case as well. i still love the axon 7 despite this. Anyone in Upstate SC have a better apn set than the defaults of RR?

kitcostantino said:
in Oconee County SC, T-mobile data is either excellent or non-existent. Anywhere mountainous has virtually no signal. Salem SC, Mtn Rest, SC have zero service at all on Axon 7 on Tmobile. Looking at tower locations I can see why. There are only towers in the most populated areas. Its kind of a letdown to finally have service in my office, yet have nothing at all (no voice, no txt, no email/data) in 30% of my work area. Really hoping Tmob/Sprint deal happens and their networks are merged. mind you, axon 7 will still be useless in that case as well. i still love the axon 7 despite this. Anyone in Upstate SC have a better apn set than the defaults of RR?
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Sounds like the problem is connectivity more than axon 7