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Hi everyone,
As i have rooted my Z2, i was able to install Xposed Framework. In Xposed Modes i found a mode which 'force' camera to use full 20 mp (or 15 mp in wide shot) in Superior Auto Mode. I have taken some pics to compare quality but couldn't understand anything. As i know, many of you guys are very interested in photography and know a lot about it, i decided to share some pics with you and let you decide which is better. Here's the link of 4 pics, 2 of them in 8 mp and 2 with 15 mp. (The names of the files indicate 'MP'): https://www.dropbox.com/sh/vvpghc7w187b1ia/_uUAk9NFry
Can provide more shots if needed.
Mano1982 said:
Hi everyone,
As i have rooted my Z2, i was able to install Xposed Framework. In Xposed Modes i found a mode which 'force' camera to use full 20 mp (or 15 mp in wide shot) in Superior Auto Mode. I have taken some pics to compare quality but couldn't understand anything. As i know, many of you guys are very interested in photography and know a lot about it, i decided to share some pics with you and let you decide which is better. Here's the link of 4 pics, 2 of them in 8 mp and 2 with 15 mp. (The names of the files indicate 'MP'): https://www.dropbox.com/sh/vvpghc7w187b1ia/_uUAk9NFry
Can provide more shots if needed.
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Great effort. Somehow I noticed the 15 mp has a wider angle. Generally they look very close and still very good quality for both, maybe different lighting conditions and in daylight too maybe easier to distinguish which is best.
There is a great discussion on quality 8MP and 20MP. Many say 8Mp is better than 20MP, which contain more vivid colors. This video explains a little about!
We could try posting pictures!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFP3Un1mRmY
ASD007 said:
Great effort. Somehow I noticed the 15 mp has a wider angle. Generally they look very close and still very good quality for both, maybe different lighting conditions and in daylight too maybe easier to distinguish which is best.
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Thanks for your feedback, mate Check the folder again, just poster some more shots. As it's night in Norway now, i couldn't take daylight photos. Will do it tomorrow..
BR4DOKYBrazil said:
There is a great discussion on quality 8MP and 20MP. Many say 8Mp is better than 20MP, which contain more vivid colors. This video explains a little about!
We could try posting pictures!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFP3Un1mRmY
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Thanks for your feedback, mate I will take more pictures in daylight tomorrow. Problem is that whenever you enable or disable mod, you have to reboot the phone
Hey can you also let us know what you lost from rooting? DRM etc?
robt772000 said:
Hey can you also let us know what you lost from rooting? DRM etc?
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Or that could stay in one of the other threads about rooting and bootloader and drm and this one could be about pictures. This thread has potential.
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Or that could stay in one of the other threads about rooting and bootloader and drm and this one could be about pictures. This thread has potential.
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I've been here a lot longer than you son. Don't go telling me what to do.
Its still relevant.
robt772000 said:
I've been here a lot longer than you son. Don't go telling me what to do.
Its still relevant.
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Somehow I knew you were going to say that.
The reason I felt brash enough to say something is because half of all my posts since I've been here have been on that exact topic in other threads that explain in detail what is lost and what isn't. I know for a fact there's info available to answer your question without changing the topic of this thread. I'd link them for you but I'm about to watch Game of Thrones.... And don't get so bent out shape, I'm sure you've scolded more than one person in your long tenure here.
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jiggyb21 said:
Somehow I knew you were going to say that.
The reason I felt brash enough to say something is because half of all my posts since I've been here have been on that exact topic in other threads that explain in detail what is lost and what isn't. I know for a fact there's info available to answer your question without changing the topic of this thread. I'd link them for you but I'm about to watch Game of Thrones.... And don't get so bent out shape, I'm sure you've scolded more than one person in your long tenure here.
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Yep no worries. I'm just a fiery biker.
I heard the camera can break from unlocking.
I haven't lost anything that I'm aware of...
robt772000 said:
Yep no worries. I'm just a fiery biker.
I heard the camera can break from unlocking.
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You motivated me to finally put up an avatar.
From my tests and I've done a lot of them since I got the phone last month.
8mp in manual mode with my own settings produced the best results in all lighting conditions. Focusing for me is the z2's greatest problem and one which gets worse the more you increase the resolution.
From the watch photo the OP posted, you can clearly see that the 8mp sample is better focused. At 8mp, everything is better, detail preservation, focus, contrast and dynamic range. Yes you can't zoom in as far as you can with the 15 and 20.7mp snaps but the quality is noticeably better.
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Thanks, very interesting!
Quality is comparable, actually at certain shots SA at 8MP is maybe a more consistently detailed, 15MP is sometimes a little noisier and I don't see much quality edge.
Where this can be very useful however is shooting large resolution full 4:3 frame SA images, as on stock we're limited to 8MP @16:9. It makes sense to give the full 4:3 option, and I'd love to see some 8MP vs. 20MP SA comparisons, if you have the time. :good:
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I've been here a lot longer than you son. Don't go telling me what to do.
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There are lots of us who have been here longer than you son :silly:
Haha. Internet's is fun.
So it was confirmed by a Sony employee that unlocking the bootloader on the Z3C results in the loss of advanced camera algorithms which affect low light photography. This had me wondering whether this is the same on Z2?
It seems the algorithms are protected by the DRM keys and once these are lost the functionality becomes limited.
I unlocked my Z2 just before the root exploit and lost my keys. I didn't notice a drop in camera quality, but did anyone else?
Does this put you off buying a Sony device in the future?
Personally I use a DSLR and my phone is just for quick snaps so it's not a big deal, but for some it will be.
Discuss.
Link to confirmation here.
I after purchase of phone reflected to open bootloader, but nevertheless decided to wait there will be root on the closed boot so far, and I made to myself a backup, strange but for some reason when by missing drm keys, xreality dosn't work, and modify supervivid, and the way so far to restore work or to make working supervivid and xreality on the unblocked bootloader isn't present
I dont think this is generaly true unless we have solid evidance becsuse sony only made the quality dim after BLU on Z1 because it protected sonys methods of image proccessing
They made it untouchable in Z2 so why would they revert to lesser tech again
Also that link doesnt fully conferm much, this may potentialy be a hicup from sony
Edit- now that i think about it.. Since it is new camera tech they may have had to do this due to not being able to lock their content like they did with Z2
It is true I experienced myself after I backed up my TA, First thing I did was unlocked the bootloader and checked the camera quality and yes I saw that camera quality was decreased and I earlier mentioned it before and no one believed me lol, Even though if you think that it doesn't with future updates such as 4.4.4 android L you might see the changes of the camera due to permanent lost of DRM. So we gotta find a root method for Z3.
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It is true I experienced myself after I backed up my TA, First thing I did was unlocked the bootloader and checked the camera quality and yes I saw that camera quality was decreased and I earlier mentioned it before and no one believed me lol, Even though if you think that it doesn't with future updates such as 4.4.4 android L you might see the changes of the camera due to permanent lost of DRM. So we gotta find a root method for Z3.
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Fair enough
Lets hope sony fix this like they did with Z1
I plan to continue buying xperias untill im dead
Envious_Data said:
Fair enough
Lets hope sony fix this like they did with Z1
I plan to continue buying xperias untill im dead
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Haha so true man but since Sony mentioned that they are having their bionz thingy tangled with DRM keys, I don't think they'll ever fix. Only thing is that we'll need have locked bootloader always. Even if I'm upgrading to Z3 I'll be patiently waiting for LB root before I unlock it :laugh: I hope xscha comes to action. He was the one who actually came up with the method. Great guy he is.
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Haha so true man but since Sony mentioned that they are having their bionz thingy tangled with DRM keys, I don't think they'll ever fix. Only thing is that we'll need have locked bootloader always. Even if I'm upgrading to Z3 I'll be patiently waiting for LB root before I unlock it :laugh: I hope xscha comes to action. He was the one who actually came up with the method. Great guy he is.
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Well drm keys have been an xperia problem for a while and funny enough they souly exist to protect other OEMs from stealing from sony
Not realy there to stop users being users
Lets hope they find a new way to protect their new content
How about relocking the bootloader? Will it restore the image quality?
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How about relocking the bootloader? Will it restore the image quality?
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No.It loses BIONZ and X-reality.
effective said:
No.It loses BIONZ and X-reality.
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Restoring a backed up TA partition does though, does it not?(on the z2).
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Restoring a backed up TA partition does though, does it not?(on the z2).
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Can't give you an answer here.Have an ZR and yes it brings the DRM keys back.But for the z2 im not familiar.
I am very, very disappointed about Sony's move. It makes no sense if you come to think of it.
Since I bought it Monday and my country has a strict return policy (good for consumers), I *might* be able to get a new one without explaining what happened.
However, if I can't get a new one, what's the next step? Download a camera mod perhaps?
EDIT: X-Reality WORKS. I am just not sure about BIONZ. And perhaps future Playstation stuff.
Can anyone with a locked bootloader take a picture of a dark room with a candle? That's easy for everyone to reproduce... and we can compare shots.
rodritank said:
I am very, very disappointed about Sony's move. It makes no sense if you come to think of it.
Since I bought it Monday and my country has a strict return policy (good for consumers), I *might* be able to get a new one without explaining what happened.
However, if I can't get a new one, what's the next step? Download a camera mod perhaps?
EDIT: X-Reality WORKS. I am just not sure about BIONZ. And perhaps future Playstation stuff.
Can anyone with a locked bootloader take a picture of a dark room with a candle? That's easy for everyone to reproduce... and we can compare shots.
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Here are some frome me.
The first 2 are with SAM.
Last one is with Manual.
http://s11.postimg.org/jsbf2f4wj/DSC_0253.jpg
http://s11.postimg.org/3vcn5pcib/DSC_0256.jpg
http://s11.postimg.org/k7ra96g7n/DSC_0257.jpg
effective said:
Here are some frome me.
The first 2 are with SAM.
Last one is with Manual.
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AWESOME man! Will take shots once I get home in a few hours!
Auto 1: imgur .com/O2KGZg0
Auto 2: imgur. com/4zhGSj0
Manual: imgur. com/TMWMOy6
Yes, it "adds" noise. It looks sharper than yours, at the cost of fuzzy noise. Mind taking more shots, dude?
I will inspect the jpeg data now
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Auto 1: imgur .com/O2KGZg0
Auto 2: imgur. com/4zhGSj0
Manual: imgur. com/TMWMOy6
Yes, it "adds" noise. It looks sharper than yours, at the cost of fuzzy noise. Mind taking more shots, dude?
I will inspect the jpeg data now
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Can't open the links.
effective said:
Can't open the links.
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delete the space between imgur and .com. I don't have 10 posts here so I can't post links
rodritank said:
delete the space between imgur and .com. I don't have 10 posts here so I can't post links
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Don't worry ^^ There is nothing wrong with your camera.
rodritank said:
Auto 1: imgur .com/O2KGZg0
Auto 2: imgur. com/4zhGSj0
Manual: imgur. com/TMWMOy6
Yes, it "adds" noise. It looks sharper than yours, at the cost of fuzzy noise. Mind taking more shots, dude?
I will inspect the jpeg data now
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This also happened to my z3 after BL unlock.. lots of noise on pictures specially in low light shots.
If you come to think about it, it's not thaaat bad. It noises just like an iPhone would do (which, for me, isn't a big deal).
It seems the only thing the DRM does is to apply a filter/denoiser/blur to the pics.
Is this related to BIONZ? If BIONZ is a hardware feature, it's most unlikely that an unlocked bootloader would do anything (unless it's like the Xbox 360 and e-fuses).
X-Reality is pretty lame to be honest. It justs "HDRs" all of your images. Nothing too serious. And it only does that to images and movies, not the UI.
Now I am just concerned about future Playstation features like of that stream thing - remote play for PS4.
@effective: did you do anything to your pics? They seem to miss the EXIF data. I wonder if a Locked Bootloader would produce a different JPEG header?
Now that we have gotten past the rooted camera issue, let see what people can do with 20.7 megapixels of sony goodness.
So I'll start.
Taken using the Google camera App photosphere mode
Lambo at the diner!
Burlingtonrox said:
Now that we have gotten past the rooted camera issue, let see what people can do with 20.7 megapixels of sony goodness.
So I'll start.
Taken using the Google camera App photosphere mode
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What do you mean "gotten past" the issue? My understanding is there is no current solution
Burlingtonrox said:
Now that we have gotten past the rooted camera issue, let see what people can do with 20.7 megapixels of sony goodness.
So I'll start.
Taken using the Google camera App photosphere mode
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Looks quite amazing that:good:
Ray_Banci said:
Lambo at the diner!
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Is this on a bootloader locked phone?
King p1n said:
Looks quite amazing that:good:
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Why are there blurred out spots through out the picture? (Like by the graffiti on the rocks.)
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Why are there blurred out spots through out the picture? (Like by the graffiti on the rocks.)
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Same question, do you have any more samples to share in full resolution? Thanks!
Some samples
Hello all.
I've had the device for around 2 weeks now, so I can't say I have mastered it.
My experience says that It is definitely not as easy as an iPhone that you just point and shoot and 9 out of 10 you will get a good photo.
This phone/sensor has great capabilities BUT you need to work on the settings.
Here are some samples from these 2 weeks I have been using it.
:cyclops:
SAMPLES HERE
More will be added in time.
Did you use the default camera app, or maybe some alternatives? I like ProCapture, but the focus speed and overall snappiness is better with stock camera app.
Nice pictures thou, the manual mode selection and exposure compenstaion is really visible.
bengadget said:
Is this on a bootloader locked phone?
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Yes, I don't need root as one doesn't need battery improving tweaks on this phone.
unk3 said:
Why are there blurred out spots through out the picture? (Like by the graffiti on the rocks.)
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What you see is a not focused picture stitched into the pano. Third party cameras like google camera sometimes doesn't focus correctly, they don't wait long enough for the focus on this phone.
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Same question, do you have any more samples to share in full resolution? Thanks!
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None that are good.
Burlingtonrox said:
Yes, I don't need root as one doesn't need battery improving tweaks on this phone.
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Since this is on a locked bootloader, I would like to point out that I've created such a topic already in the Themes and Apps section
http://forum.xda-developers.com/z3-compact/themes-apps/post-pictures-xperia-z3-compact-t2889119
There already is a thread for this here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/z3-compact/themes-apps/post-pictures-xperia-z3-compact-t2889119
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Hi all Galaxy Note3 Snapdragon users!
I wanna make thread for users can upload images (REAR + FRONT) with 13 MP size.
I seem Note3 camera isn't better so, even Galaxy S4 camera too.
My brother phone camera (Pantech Vega Secret Node) has better camera which has same feature, same MP.
I not say, camera is worse, but in shot i'm if scale size, it's loss quality higher than other phone camera.
I soon upload result between 2-phone, but i want users upload image, maybe my phone issue?!
Go! Upload, comment.
I hope this thread will be popular.
Sorry for bad english,
Thanks,
@dalisoft!
dalisoft said:
Hi all Galaxy Note3 Snapdragon users!
I wanna make thread for users can upload images (REAR + FRONT) with 13 MP size.
I seem Note3 camera isn't better so, even Galaxy S4 camera too.
My brother phone camera (Pantech Vega Secret Node) has better camera which has same feature, same MP.
I not say, camera is worse, but in shot i'm if scale size, it's loss quality higher than other phone camera.
I soon upload result between 2-phone, but i want users upload image, maybe my phone issue?!
Go! Upload, comment.
I hope this thread will be popular.
Sorry for bad english,
Thanks,
@dalisoft!
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Bro I think it's from your phone, try resetting the camera settings to default.
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Bro I think...
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How do you find this ?? The thread is from 2015 !
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Dejan Sathanas said:
How do you find this ?? The thread is from 2015 !
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Sorry I didn't check the date
To see the comparison , download the rar file from the sendspace link , extract the rar file and compare etc: before_superior1.jpg with after_superior1.jpg or before_manual2.jpg with after_manual2.jpg and so on....also hit thanks if i helped
sendspace link: https://www.sendspace.com/file/1vqlyd
there is def more noise after unlocking.. but not that much of a deal breaker in your examples.. it would be good if you had the chance to go for a more low light situation because it would probably be more apparent there.
but tbh, i cant decide yet which of those pics i like more. There is something more natural/defined about the "unlocked" pics compared to the smoothed out "locked" ones.
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there is def more noise after unlocking.. but not that much of a deal breaker in your examples.. it would be good if you had the chance to go for a more low light situation because it would probably be more apparent there.
but tbh, i cant decide yet which of those pics i like more. There is something more natural/defined about the "unlocked" pics compared to the smoothed out "locked" ones.
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i didnt take photos with lower light because i dont think someone would take a smartphone to take pictures at night
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To see the comparison , download the rar file from the sendspace link , extract the rar file and compare etc: before_superior1.jpg with after_superior1.jpg or before_manual2.jpg with after_manual2.jpg and so on....also hit thanks if i helped
sendspace link: https://www.sendspace.com/file/1vqlyd
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Thanks, that helps me a lot!
It looks like the lost "drm-keys" for the cam is only for the software and makes only the pictures in digital use better and i think with GIMP i have better results if i want better pictures.
soooo i think its not realy worth it if you keep them/ custom rom calls for me
cyrok said:
Thanks, that helps me a lot!
It looks like the lost "drm-keys" for the cam is only for the software and makes only the pictures in digital use better and i think with GIMP i have better results if i want better pictures.
soooo i think its not realy worth it if you keep them/ custom rom calls for me
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right! glad i helped ?
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Nice thanks! I must say the difference in manual is minimal but with locked BL you have noise free image and slightly better colors and exposure. One thing to note is that in superior auto the after unlocked bootloader photos have lower ISO making for a bit bigger difference (First set 1250 vs 1600, second 640 vs 800 ISO, unlocked/locked).
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Nice thanks! I must say the difference in manual is minimal but with locked BL you have noise free image and slightly better colors and exposure. One thing to note is that in superior auto the after unlocked bootloader photos have lower ISO making for a bit bigger difference (First set 1250 vs 1600, second 640 vs 800 ISO, unlocked/locked).
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i didnt change the iso , i put the phone on the exact position and on the exact lightning and took exactly the same photos before and after