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[INFO] Review of the Tablet

Found this on youtube - 2 parts. He reviewed the keyboard as well. Looks very well rounded. I'll be getting one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvxth_Sxfps
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEQqXi-3NpU

Ya, I've been waiting for his 2nd video. It's one of the more comprehensive reviews of this awesome device.

popophobia said:
Found this on youtube - 2 parts. He reviewed the keyboard as well. Looks very well rounded. I'll be getting one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvxth_Sxfps
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEQqXi-3NpU
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Thanks for sharing! Finally a decent review on youtube! It helps making the decision to wait it out a little bit longer. I hope he's right on the price part too!

popophobia said:
Found this on youtube - 2 parts. He reviewed the keyboard as well. Looks very well rounded. I'll be getting one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvxth_Sxfps
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEQqXi-3NpU
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Interesting how he calls it "very intuitive" when there have been people saying its sooo confusing because its not like the Ipad

Outstanding overview, thanks for the link. Except now, of course, I'm even more anxious to get one.
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wynand32 said:
Outstanding overview, thanks for the link. Except now, of course, I'm even more anxious to get one.
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Haha, same here bud

great review, thanks for posting - now I really can't wait until the keyboard arrives

czm said:
great review, thanks for posting - now I really can't wait until the keyboard arrives
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This was the first time I've seen the device with the keyboard attached being used. I can definitively say that I will be buying the dock... If it ever arrives on US soil. With me not having a laptop it should prove useful.

He just posted a new video about the Polaris software.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGSfL6XjcN8

Just watched some of the first video. Shame it's so quiet. I wish google would normalise all the audio on videos uploaded to youtube. Just wanted to comment on a few things he said:
-The @Vibe app is for music and streaming radio, not for games, in the UK. Might be different for other countries.
-It's not lightweight. Lighter than other devices but its still not light.
-You get bad stuttery 1080p mkv's if theyre not encoded properly.
-That green screen camera thing is fixed in the latest firmware.
-The refresh rate of the video recording is bad. So is the fps of any video you record. Hopefully it will get fixed. It's meant to do up to 1080p @30fps.
-The playback and quality of the video streaming via Splashtop is ridiculously good as he says. I was surprised.
-He's also right about needing to have several apps to play various files. Feels odd to switch between them to play different formats but its not a problem.
Nice to see the dock in action. Cant wait to get mine.

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Shame it's so quiet. I wish google would normalise all the audio on videos uploaded to youtube.
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Just an offtopic note: normalising wouldn't help in most cases (one high peek in the whole video will make the sound very quiet even normalised). Making sound louder would in most cases require compression and limiting which is not always wanted and can't be done properly by a machine only (if you want to know more - read about loudness war and audio mastering on Wikipedia). Normalising could also be very bad for videos recorded in silence - you would hear every background noise that was recorded very loudly.
Splashtop looks very interesting. It's a shame it's only for Macs and Windows (I would like to use it on Ubuntu).

Great detailed review. Just watched both part 1 and 2 and has reassured me that this is definitely the tablet I want. All of the negatives that I read on Engadget or Techradar can't remember which it was seem to be non existent in the video as they said it lags quite noticeably behind touch which it didn't really show and looks like it's going to be a great tablet with lots of future potential. Can't wait to save up and get one which looks to be at around the time stock will be back in with all the delays lol

stuntdouble said:
Just watched some of the first video. Shame it's so quiet. I wish google would normalise all the audio on videos uploaded to youtube. Just wanted to comment on a few things he said:
-The @Vibe app is for music and streaming radio, not for games, in the UK. Might be different for other countries.
-It's not lightweight. Lighter than other devices but its still not light.
-You get bad stuttery 1080p mkv's if theyre not encoded properly.
-That green screen camera thing is fixed in the latest firmware.
-The refresh rate of the video recording is bad. So is the fps of any video you record. Hopefully it will get fixed. It's meant to do up to 1080p @30fps.
-The playback and quality of the video streaming via Splashtop is ridiculously good as he says. I was surprised.
-He's also right about needing to have several apps to play various files. Feels odd to switch between them to play different formats but its not a problem.
Nice to see the dock in action. Cant wait to get mine.
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Hi, Sorry, I should have adjust the volume of the video before I uploaded it, thanks for pointing that out.
@Vibe is like an entertainment center, it has Books, games, and Musics, at least that's how it is in Taiwan, not sure about other country.
and you are right, the video recording is really slow and hopefully it gets fixed soon.
Thanks for pointing out the firmware update, I've yet to update mine, will do and see if anything else is different.
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andyxover

[Q] Poor Video Quality?

I just received my Google Nexus 10 yesterday. After reading all the great reviews about the video quality I must admit I was shocked how poor it was. Don't get me wrong, it isn't awful by any stretch. The detail is certainly there and there is so much detail it might actually be detriment to the product because I can pick up compression artifacts and pixelization I didn't even know was there on some of my videos. However, this really leads in to what I think the source of the problem is on this device, that is, the black level. The first video I took a look at was Ice Age since it came with the N10. If black level is off on animations they can look washed out and it certainly did in this case. My projector on a 100" screen could actually reflect a better image in my opinion. Moving over to other videos like a 1080p MKV of Battleship displayed some improvement, but the poor black levels were still there. Oh, and I should mention this was with using MX Player.
So, are others seeing something similar? Again, I'm not trying to really downplay the image entirely because the detail is certainly there, but again, I'm disappointed by the black level. Is there possibly a way to adjust it that I'm not aware of? All I can seemingly find is Brightness and that doesn't do enough. Perhaps a gamma control would help? Any guidance from others is appreciated.

U get ice age free with N10?
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verusevo said:
U get ice age free with N10?
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Yes.

2 posts? Troll?

Techie2012 said:
2 posts? Troll?
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Thanks for the welcome. Did people say the same about you when you had 2 posts? Trust me, your accusation is utterly ridiculous. This is simply my first Android device and this was my initial impression. I hoped that there might be some kind of workaround or fix so I simply did a Google search for a Nexus 10 forum and wound up here. As I allued to in my initial post there are plenty of things I like about the device and black level might not be a deal killer, but if there was a way to resolve it, why not pursue it?

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Only 245 posts and a member since February of this year? You must clearly have very little to contribute anywhere since you don't have at least a 1k post count or year+ membership (sarcasm btw; post count and join dates means absolutely nothing in determining a person's status lol)
I believe a few others have mentioned black levels not being optimal on the N10. I myself don't really see it as a problem, but then again I rarely watch videos. I believe Contrast itself might be a better option to modify over Brightness, but I'm pretty sure Contrast isn't adjustable currently.
Possibly when Kernel development matures enough, we may be able to modify screen settings, but I don't think we're there quite yet. Maybe some video players might have an option for adjustments?

Those frequenting here have varying social skills. Be tolerant.
Suggest posting some pics of screen's black level, alongside another device used as a baseline. A thousand words and all that.
Also suggest searching Play store for "display settings" and try out the various widget/apps available.

That's seriously put me off buying this tablet now.
A poor black level can ruin video quality. I know this because my laptops black level is shocking bad, picture below.
Now I might either get a Note 10.1 or wait for something with a high res screen and a good black level.

Haha you guys are funny.
Anyway back to the original question, this device has a LCD screen, and like most LCD TVs, the black is not as black as you'd like or you would see on a PlasmaTV or Amoled screen.
If black levels are highly important to you, i'm sorry to say you bought the wrong device.

Ok, so I took a previous poster's advice and got a hold of an iPad3 with Retina Display and compared it against the N10. The difference was not as significant as I thought it might be. Ultimately, I didn't think either producing razor sharp images with inky blacks and that is because they don't my own HDTV's (LED) in my home along with my home theater projector crush both devices. Why? Well, first, I wasn't aware that the contrast ratio was so poor on all the tablet devices. Most of my other products have something like a 50,000:1 contrast ratio whereas the tablets are around 1000:1, a very big difference. Also, I'm accustomed to watching BluRays on those displays. BluRay quality just doesn't seem to exist on these tablets right now. So was I expecting too much from the N10? Yes.
Spending some time with both devices side-by-side allowed me to sort of critique both on my own terms and decide which one I like best. I'm probably an atypical user so my opinions here are my own and I don't expect others to find the same items valuable.
1. Display - the iPad wins here, but not by as much as I might have thought. Whites are more warm and not as bright on the N10 when compared to the iPad. Blacks are also better on the iPad, but I expected it to be a dramatic difference. It wasn't. I've included some images to this post that will help you see the difference a bit more. There are some images where the difference looks very pronounced, but that is the digital camera really exposing the faults of the N10 and making them appear more significant. I wouldn't say that is the case in reality. Also, something you'll notice from the images is the light leak. It is there on the N10, but not on the iPad. Too bad Samsung couldn't have done a better job here. It would have made it appear as a more quality product.
2. Form Factor - I find the form factor of the iPad better than the N10. I like to use portrait mode more often than most I think and the iPad gives you more space to work from horizontally when doing so. This makes web browsing much easier and I actually feel more cramped using the N10 to browse via landscape. I would MUCH prefer the N10 to have the iPad's shape.
3. Weight - I would have never thought 50 grams or whatever it is would make a difference, but to me it does and the N10 is a clear winner here. After handling both devices for some time I simply enjoyed holding the N10 more. The lightness made for a more enjoyable experience.
4. Rubber Backing - When I saw on this on the N10 I thought it was sort of a gimmick, but I really like it. Again, it just seems to feel more comfortable holding it.
5. Heat - I have no idea why, but the back of the iPad got pretty hot while using it. The N10 had some slight warmth, but ever since I've used it it has stayed relatively cool.
6. Speakers - The N10 really crushes the iPad here. The front two speakers are awesome and can push out good volume. Going back to the iPad with its rear mono speaker almost feels silly in comparison.
7. Web Browsing - The winner here is the iPad. Pages came up more quickly, they are easier to scroll through (only slightly), and are displayed better. In portrait mode the clear winner is the iPad since you have more horizontal space to work with, something I like.
8. Off-axis viewing - Not that you ever really need this because tablets are really made for a one person audience to be looking at the device head-on, but I did notice it. For whatever reason the iPad had a better image once you move off-axis from the device. The N10 was washed out more quickly as you moved off-axis.
9. Bugs - Oh man, Jelly Bean has them. I have essentially the base image on the N10 and I've already seen the battery information incorrect (stuck), freezes, my folders just disappearing after the device becoming frozen, and some other very quirky things. The iPad in comparison was stable. The iPad just feels a bit like driving a Lexus. It doesn't really do much to excite you, but it does what it is designed to do and does it well. The N10 is probably more like a BMW X6. Is it a sports car or an SUV? No one really knows. It does some things that are really neat, but in other categories it sort of falls apart. Just my own silly analogy.
So which will I keep. Based on all the criteria above I would say it is very close and probably a tie in my mind, but I'm leaning toward the N10. I'm not sure why, but I struggle a great deal with going to a closed environment like the iPad is. It feels boring to me and I just think I might enjoy tinkering with the N10 more. If I give it more thought I might change my mind, but for the moment this is where my head is.
I hope all this might help someone. If anyone has any questions about the comparison or the images please feel free to ask.

A lot people seem to crank the brightness even when they don't need it. The N10 with the back light turned up definitely has poor black levels but it's actually pretty decent when below 40%(more comfortable to view also)

I agree. I'm totally unimpressed by the video quality of Nexus 10. Maybe I'm doing something wrong here, but my older Galaxy Tab 2 P3100 had much better video quality than this. The colors are totally messed up and the it just seems bland and boring.
Frankly, I don't think this is an iPad killer in anyway, and I'm not an apple fanboy either. I had to download apps just to get the Volume to a reasonable level eventhough it has stereo. Wow, the ipad claims much less but delivers more, Nexus 10 claims tall but falls short.
Thinking about getting back the iPad 4 if the Nexus doesn't grow on me. Sorry, Nexus. Android has failed you :crying:

JPW1 said:
Most of my other products have something like a 50,000:1 contrast ratio whereas the tablets are around 1000:1, a very big difference.
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The 50,000:1 contrast ratio is actually dynamic contrast ratio. How dark the screen is at it's lowest brightness and how bright the screen is at it's highest brightness. It's really just a marketing gimmick.
The real static contrast ratio could be anywhere between 1000-5000:1. Not a huge difference at all.
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23137918

Looking at your screenshots I can definitely say you have the brightness set waaaayyy to high on the Nexus 10. Turn it down and the picture will be drastically better.

And for the other little problems you have to wait some time. Most of them will be gone with the first good custom roms/kernels. The device is still brand new.

I tried both the Transformers and Ice Age films streaming from google play, and I thought the video was pretty poor. Wifi signal was strong.

Video quality from all the streaming services I've used on Android have relatively poor quality. If you are attempting to benchmark the device's fidelity then I suggest making a high bit rate rip of a Blu-Ray
The high bit rate 1080p and 1440p videos I've seen look pretty great, but I agree videos from streaming services look pretty awful in terms of both blurriness and contrast.
Also, the hardware decoders like most devices do not have as high of picture quality as some software decoder. For instance, for the same video the hw decoder will look softer than the sw decoder in MX Player

4K screen - Who really has noticed a difference?

I came from a Samsung s6 Edge+ and it had a pretty good screen with 518ppi
Sony made a big deal about the 4k screen. But do you really notice it?
When i first got it a few days ago. I was not sure what to expect. Would i notice it or not, because it's not always in 4k.
Theres a lot of people out there saying it's a gimmick and you wont notice it because your eyes cannot see the pixels to notice it.
Well it was the first thing i noticed. The fact i couldn't see any sharp edges on the text. Everything was so smooth and fluid. Even though the pixels on my edge+ are small, and i put it side to side and although its minimal, but i could notice the difference.
I had a friend show me a video on youtube today, it was a good quality video ect. Then i showed him a video about our topic, not talking about the phone. As soon as he watched the video, he right away commented on the screen how it looked so realistic and smooth.
So In my opinion, Yes i can see the difference with a 4k screen. It's not a gimmick. What are your thoughts?

Sure I can see it, problem is that when you've seen the 4k content you can actually notice going back to full hd...

It's the text on the screen most especially ?, it was soooo clean I had to double check on my ex (the OP3T). The difference can clearly been seen. It's a very good display
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The display is amazing

I used ADB to set the display to be 4K all the time. Yes there is a difference, but unless you use really small display scaling/text, it won't be very evident. Still, this is probably one of the sharpest displays available to consumers in the world. You will never see a jagged edge.

pauly92 said:
I came from a Samsung s6 Edge+ and it had a pretty good screen with 518ppi
Sony made a big deal about the 4k screen. But do you really notice it?
When i first got it a few days ago. I was not sure what to expect. Would i notice it or not, because it's not always in 4k.
Theres a lot of people out there saying it's a gimmick and you wont notice it because your eyes cannot see the pixels to notice it.
So In my opinion, Yes i can see the difference with a 4k screen. It's not a gimmick. What are your thoughts?
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You need to smoke something and you'll see the difference haha. It's more or a gimmick and I wished there was more 4k content. But the experience is new and strange. I feel the urge to stick my eyes on the screen to see more details, or use a magnifying glass. But for recreational purposes, it's a cool thing. A neat trick.

Yeah there's a difference. My way of explaining it, the experience is surreal. You don't really notice it, but your brain kinda do. I don't know how to really explain this. When I enabled the 4K using adb, I can see that the display is so great, like a printed paper as per said by Erica Griffin - she's very nitpicky when it comes to display. So when this display got an approval from her, it's a big thing.
Watch this video on YouTube if you haven't: Peru 8K.
What I can tell is my head hurts after watching it lol. Now I really hope I can easily move to Peru! Your brain got confused, it knows that what you see on the screen is not real, but the display image reproduction is so damn real that it's like looking through a window rather than a display. When your little friendly brain got confused, you'll get headache. Need some time to getbused to it. So for me, yes it is noticable.
I actually prefer this over Samsung's OLED display. This display kinda produce more colour, it's vibrant but still kind on the eyes. My eyes hurt and get tired after watching something on the S8. With a display this good, I don't even notice this phone's large bezels!

I don't know guys, I'm still on the fence and can't really tell. Maybe it's my eyes lol, or my super high expectations.

I tried watching Peru 8k in YouTube but it kept buffering. Bummer. It looked amazing but experience limited by size of screen.
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Sleepisme said:
Yeah there's a difference. My way of explaining it, the experience is surreal. You don't really notice it, but your brain kinda do. I don't know how to really explain this. When I enabled the 4K using adb, I can see that the display is so great, like a printed paper as per said by Erica Griffin - she's very nitpicky when it comes to display. So when this display got an approval from her, it's a big thing.
Watch this video on YouTube if you haven't: Peru 8K.
What I can tell is my head hurts after watching it lol. Now I really hope I can easily move to Peru! Your brain got confused, it knows that what you see on the screen is not real, but the display image reproduction is so damn real that it's like looking through a window rather than a display. When your little friendly brain got confused, you'll get headache. Need some time to getbused to it. So for me, yes it is noticable.
I actually prefer this over Samsung's OLED display. This display kinda produce more colour, it's vibrant but still kind on the eyes. My eyes hurt and get tired after watching something on the S8. With a display this good, I don't even notice this phone's large bezels!
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Lol I saw this video some time ago and was wowed[emoji23]....
Amazon prime video finally showed a video in 4k HDR and I was left in Wonderland. I could tell the difference in quality right away because some parts other video were in full HD before snapping into 4k mode.
After the adb switch to 4k, the most noticeable difference is how everything's SUPER CLEAR. It's the exact same thing that happened to me when I switched my pc monitor from FHD TO 4K. The text and other elements on the screen are soo defined.
I left it in 4k because it had very little to no effect on my battery and performance. I rather enjoy the full 4k display [emoji16]
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martinezma99 said:
I tried watching Peru 8k in YouTube but it kept buffering. Bummer. It looked amazing but experience limited by size of screen
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Lol I'm having the same issue my house has a slow connection so what I did is I installed TubeMate from its G+ page (to avoid malware etc.) and downloaded the video in native 4K. Took some while but now I have my own collection of 4K videos to show off to friends and family.

Sleepisme said:
Lol I'm having the same issue my house has a slow connection so what I did is I installed TubeMate from its G+ page (to avoid malware etc.) and downloaded the video in native 4K. Took some while but now I have my own collection of 4K videos to show off to friends and family.
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I'm not able to install some apk files, tubemate included. Some apk's work fine though. Did you face this issue.

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I'm not able to install some apk files, tubemate included. Some apk's work fine though. Did you face this issue.
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Actually only one time when I tried to install Alan Walker Theme.apk. I ended up installing using a pc then transfered the .apk into my phone which worked.

Sleepisme said:
Actually only one time when I tried to install Alan Walker Theme.apk. I ended up installing using a pc then transfered the .apk into my phone which worked.
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How did you installed it using the pc, please help.

arjun.arora said:
How did you installed it using the pc, please help.
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I might misunderstood you but here's how to do it.
You just install the .apk on your pc, then transfer the .apk file into your phone's storage once you connect these two devices using usb cable and allow file transfer. Be cautious since some people tinker with the app and change it into malware so install TubeMate .apk only from it's Google+ page. Next, find the file in your phone and execute it within your phone. Make sure beforehand you go to Settings>Lock Screen & Security to toggle on Unknown Sources.

Sleepisme said:
Yeah there's a difference. My way of explaining it, the experience is surreal. You don't really notice it, but your brain kinda do. I don't know how to really explain this. When I enabled the 4K using adb, I can see that the display is so great, like a printed paper as per said by Erica Griffin - she's very nitpicky when it comes to display. So when this display got an approval from her, it's a big thing.
Watch this video on YouTube if you haven't: Peru 8K.
What I can tell is my head hurts after watching it lol. Now I really hope I can easily move to Peru! Your brain got confused, it knows that what you see on the screen is not real, but the display image reproduction is so damn real that it's like looking through a window rather than a display. When your little friendly brain got confused, you'll get headache. Need some time to getbused to it. So for me, yes it is noticable.
I actually prefer this over Samsung's OLED display. This display kinda produce more colour, it's vibrant but still kind on the eyes. My eyes hurt and get tired after watching something on the S8. With a display this good, I don't even notice this phone's large bezels!
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Did you watch in 8K or 4K? cause I think HDR kicks in 8K am I right? I downloaded both 8K and 4K and I can see the HDR difference in monitor! I am gonna transfer both files and see.
Need more 4K HDR stuff

chesterr said:
Did you watch in 8K or 4K? cause I think HDR kicks in 8K am I right? I downloaded both 8K and 4K and I can see the HDR difference in monitor! I am gonna transfer both files and see.
Need more 4K HDR stuff
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Honestly I'm not sure how exactly HDR in this phone works ie whether it is turned on all the time or only kicks in if the content supported it. I'm keen towards the second one.
I use professional mode (sRGB) and the colour reproduction is just realistic and outstanding I'm in love with everything I see now ? and HDR is the best under-appreciated thing ever.
I can only watch in 4K since I'm using the phone to both download and watch. Prior to downloading, the max resolution I am allowed to choose is only 4K. I think if you transfer the 8K video into your phone it will be played in only 4K, but the quality is still top-notch.
What I think is worth mentioning here is I realised after enabling 4K all the time, 480p video on YouTube looks sharper and clearer compared to when 4K is disabled.

Sleepisme said:
I might misunderstood you but here's how to do it.
You just install the .apk on your pc, then transfer the .apk file into your phone's storage once you connect these two devices using usb cable and allow file transfer. Be cautious since some people tinker with the app and change it into malware so install TubeMate .apk only from it's Google+ page. Next, find the file in your phone and execute it within your phone. Make sure beforehand you go to Settings>Lock Screen & Security to toggle on Unknown Sources.
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Great, I'll try it out.. Thanks..

Is this one good ? http://www.apkmirror.com/apk/devian...outube-downloader-2-4-3-android-apk-download/

Netflix HDR

In case you haven't read it today, Netflix is now supporting HDR for our XZP's - see Android Police and or Android Authority's articles.

Does anyone know if 4k is also now activated on netflix for the XZP or is it just hdr?

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Does anyone know if 4k is also now activated on netflix for the XZP or is it just hdr?
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4K has been available on the Netflix app for a long time. HDR was the only thing that was missing (which has now been added)

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4K has been available on the Netflix app for a long time. HDR was the only thing that was missing (which has now been added)
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I do not believe this is correct. Do you have a source?

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I do not believe this is correct. Do you have a source?
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What do you think is incorrect? I just finished watching an episode of Daredevil on Netflix in HDR. I didn't see anything in 4K though, but it might be that my preferred series do no come in 4K.

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I do not believe this is correct. Do you have a source?
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Geezus... do a google search :good::good:
https://9to5google.com/2017/08/04/sony-xperia-xz-premium-supports-hdr-streaming-on-netflix/

ishemes said:
What do you think is incorrect? I just finished watching an episode of Daredevil on Netflix in HDR. I didn't see anything in 4K though, but it might be that my preferred series do no come in 4K.
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I was trying to be polite by saying I did not believe that's correct. Netflix's android app does not currently support 4k Playback on any phone. This is a demonstrable fact, it's nothing to do with your preferred series unfortunately.
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What do you think is incorrect? I just finished watching an episode of Daredevil on Netflix in HDR. I didn't see anything in 4K though, but it might be that my preferred series do no come in 4K.
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Geezus... do a google search :good::good:
https://9to5google.com/2017/08/04/sony-xperia-xz-premium-supports-hdr-streaming-on-netflix/
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My ability to use Google is just fine thank you, as is my ability to read/comprehend: The article you linked only mentions HDR support not 4k support for Netflix because unfortunately Netflix does not support 4k Playback for android phones.

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I was trying to be polite by saying I did not believe that's correct. Netflix's android app does not currently support 4k Playback on any phone. This is a demonstrable fact, it's nothing to do with your preferred series unfortunately.
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No 4K is a shame. I was afraid that this is what you meant. I was hoping though that you meant that there was no HDR content. In any case, there is hope. Especially since the stopped allowing their android app to be installed on a rooted phone. So they might get ready to bring some really high quality content to the phones.

It really doesn't matter anyway. Unless you put the phone within 3 inches of your eyeballs you won't see the improvement in detail over 1080p.
Physically impossible,
HDR on the other hand and high bit rate low compression will and does deliver significant improvments

dazza9075 said:
It really doesn't matter anyway. Unless you put the phone within 3 inches of your eyeballs you won't see the improvement in detail over 1080p.
Physically impossible,
HDR on the other hand and high bit rate low compression will and does deliver significant improvments
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It actually is possible.
I downloaded the Peru 8k video in both 1080p and 2160p. While both of them look really nice, I can see more detail in the 2160p one.
It's not like I can see individual pixels, but more like having a brand new prescription compared to my old one. Both let me see pretty clearly, but one is perceptibly clearer.

Xifar said:
It actually is possible.
I downloaded the Peru 8k video in both 1080p and 2160p. While both of them look really nice, I can see more detail in the 2160p one.
It's not like I can see individual pixels, but more like having a brand new prescription compared to my old one. Both let me see pretty clearly, but one is perceptibly clearer.
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My reply didn't last for some reason an I can't be bothered to type it all out again just now but to summarise.
Physics doesn't lie, with normal eye sight on a screen 5.5 in with, 2160 resolution, the range in which you can detect those details, is 3in, beyond that, a typical person can't see those details on such a high PPI screen.
Monitors have a significantly lower PPI so will have a wider range.
To see 4k Improvements on a large TV you need to be within 3 foot. Far beyond what most people have in their living room. But is exactly the maximum distance you will find in any TV shop
What does make a difference is bitrate, HDR, compression artifacts, Contrast ratio, saturation and brightness.
And typically its that that will improve a pictures appearance.
4k alone, physically can't be detected.
It's the new 3D, Designed to fill a marketing departments wet dreams.

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My reply didn't last for some reason an I can't be bothered to type it all out again just now but to summarise.
Physics doesn't lie, with normal eye sight on a screen 5.5 in with, 2160 resolution, the range in which you can detect those details, is 3in, beyond that, a typical person can't see those details on such a high PPI screen.
Monitors have a significantly lower PPI so will have a wider range.
To see 4k Improvements on a large TV you need to be within 3 foot. Far beyond what most people have in their living room. But is exactly the maximum distance you will find in any TV shop
What does make a difference is bitrate, HDR, compression artifacts, Contrast ratio, saturation and brightness.
And typically its that that will improve a pictures appearance.
4k alone, physically can't be detected.
It's the new 3D, Designed to fill a marketing departments wet dreams.
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First mistake is using the term "normal", it should be average. The difference is normal implies what everybody sees, where as average indicates that there is a sliding scale and some see better than others. And just that, not all visual acuity is the same, some are slightly better, some are dramatically better. This applies to a wide variety of factors as well, not just detail.
Second mistake is in assuming the ability to pick out "detail" is the end all be all. The ability to pick out specific details in a static image (say the corner of a building) may in fact be driven by physics (again, using "average" eyesight) however that does not directly correlate into video with moving edges, edge sharpening and pixel bleeding. Just as the ability to pick out detail can be averaged, indicating higher and lower levels of eyesight, sensitivity to motion detection and color balance are also can be judged on a scale. What this says is that the edge of a bright colored building as it moves against the background may have much more than just "detail" to those with heightened visual acuity.

firstly Normal is the perfect description for eye sight that is considered to be optimum, any deviation from that is sub optimal so when one talks about Normal, IE, what is considered perfect, eye sight, that may or may not be the average, but I couldn't give a monkeys about average eyesight, we are talking about the physical limitations of the human eye in a perfect environment.
Secondly, a moving image is even less likely to have higher visible detail. If you are sitting 6 inches away from our tiny 4k screens, the physical limitation of you eye prohibits you from being able to see the individual pixels, you cant see it, in the same way you can see the flag on the moon, even with the most powerful telescopes on earth or even in space, Hubble for instance cant see anything much smaller than a football pitch and yet it can see whole galaxies in what appears to be highly detailed images. your eye can also only see detail in a relatively small portion of your field of view anyway, our eyes are comparatively crap compared to other animals but they are very good multi functional eyes, more of a jack of all trades, master of none.
anyhow, thirdly, you will notice that I did say that the higher bitrate associated with 4K HDR videos along with much better compression algorithms do make a noticeable difference in image quality, which is what you are talking about when talking about colours, contrasts and motion. Its not the 4K that's doing that, its all the goodness that comes with it.
I have this phone, I have several 4K screens of multiple sizes and I can tell you that 4K isn't the be all and end all especially if you sit beyond the optimal distance, if it wasn't for HDR being packaged with 4K it wouldn't be anywhere near as successful as it is. HDR on a OLED is breath taking, hell, even on a decent LCD/LED screen it blows FHD screens out of the water. of course you need a decent HDR TV for that, one that can pump out 1000+ nits.

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Say "cheese", then rate this thread to express how photos taken with the Asus ROG Phone come out. A higher rating indicates that photos offer rich color (without over-saturating), sharp detail (with all subjects in-focus), and appropriate exposure (with even lighting).
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

I haven't been able to play much with the phone, since I haven't got a cover for it yet.
But in the super resolution option, the camera is using 49MP? or is it actually just upscaled resolution from the 12MP? I hope future update will bring 960fps slowmotion.

bamsemh said:
I haven't been able to play much with the phone, since I haven't got a cover for it yet.
But in the super resolution option, the camera is using 49MP? or is it actually just upscaled resolution from the 12MP? I hope future update will bring 960fps slowmotion.
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it appears that it takes multiple photos at different exposures kind of like an hdr image, but stitches them together in a way that produces an nMP x 4 resulting image, in this case 12MP x 4 = 48MP. Don't know where you got 49, is the sensor maybe like 12.2MP or something?
So anyway, its not a true 48/49MP image, but its not just an upscale either.
I'm sure updates will start rolling out in a few months, it will interesting to see what they can bring. I don't know much about asus phones, but I'ved owned a ton of asus products, and I'm sure the rog phone will at least get something cool :good:

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it appears that it takes multiple photos at different exposures kind of like an hdr image, but stitches them together in a way that produces an nMP x 4 resulting image, in this case 12MP x 4 = 48MP. Don't know where you got 49, is the sensor maybe like 12.2MP or something?
So anyway, its not a true 48/49MP image, but its not just an upscale either.
I'm sure updates will start rolling out in a few months, it will interesting to see what they can bring. I don't know much about asus phones, but I'ved owned a ton of asus products, and I'm sure the rog phone will at least get something cool :good:
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Hopefully you can see the picture. And in the corner it shows 49M. I wish Oneplus 6/T would release their gaming mode for all Androids. It is much better done than the gaming mode asus has.

Yea I see, I'll correct myself. "I don't know where IT got 49
Is gaming mode like when you go to developer settings and enable CPU high performance mode? sounds like it essentially does the same thing... I'n which case I wouldn't care because it will already be way faster than my m7 haha
maybe you could upload some pics with super res on and off, seeing as this is a photo quality thread?

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Yea I see, I'll correct myself. "I don't know where IT got 49
Is gaming mode like when you go to developer settings and enable CPU high performance mode? sounds like it essentially does the same thing... I'n which case I wouldn't care because it will already be way faster than my m7 haha
maybe you could upload some pics with super res on and off, seeing as this is a photo quality thread?
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Sorry for the late reply. Weather have been really boring lately. But this is standard and high resolution sample from this morning.

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Sorry for the late reply. Weather have been really boring lately. But this is standard and high resolution sample from this morning.
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thanks for getting back to us with pics. :good:
the super res image definitely has better detail, and is also darker.

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thanks for getting back to us with pics. :good:
the super res image definitely has better detail, and is also darker.
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I ended up returning the rog phone. Oneplus 6 performs 250% better in online gaming.

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I ended up returning the rog phone. Oneplus 6 performs 250% better in online gaming.
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okay well I hope you enjoy your oneplus, I dont really play online games so I really only cared about its speakers screen and camera. Thanks again for your input! I'm still probably going to try to get one of these :good:

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okay well I hope you enjoy your oneplus, I dont really play online games so I really only cared about its speakers screen and camera. Thanks again for your input! I'm still probably going to try to get one of these :good:
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Go for it, it's a great phone like the colored great sounding speakers, design symmetry which is rare to find now a days. There are a lot of pros going for this phone. I would say it's worth its price, could it have been better? sure!. But the same argument applies to every phone out there.

Rashad83 said:
Go for it, it's a great phone like the colored great sounding speakers, design symmetry which is rare to find now a days. There are a lot of pros going for this phone. I would say it's worth its price, could it have been better? sure!. But the same argument applies to every phone out there.
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I ordered it. Should have it by next week. Very true, every phone has some sort of compromise. on my m7 is was the lack of a qwerty keyboard, and now it will be size/material/cases for me. Man I really love my current case haha
I'll post back when I get the phone and root/setup/etc

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okay well I hope you enjoy your oneplus, I dont really play online games so I really only cared about its speakers screen and camera. Thanks again for your input! I'm still probably going to try to get one of these :good:
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Currently using 1st gen RazerPhone and although the screens a bit dark I was mainly looking to get this phone for Netflix and Google/YouTube Premium. Now I know HDR isn't everything but how is video and sound on this phone for Netflix. With Amoled screen I feel it would be better and curious if any black borders on screen during YouTube or Netflix playback. While also going back to 1080 from 1440.

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Currently using 1st gen RazerPhone and although the screens a bit dark I was mainly looking to get this phone for Netflix and Google/YouTube Premium. Now I know HDR isn't everything but how is video and sound on this phone for Netflix. With Amoled screen I feel it would be better and curious if any black borders on screen during YouTube or Netflix playback. While also going back to 1080 from 1440.
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I'm currently using an m7 and the speakers are definitely blown after all these years (almost 5). I have an ROG phone in transit right now, was supposed to be delivered today but the canada post stike is messing with all the couriers right now so fedex hasn't shipped it yet. probably tomorrow. almost for sure. I will definitely let you know how everything is when I get it though! plus I plan to root it and find mods and see what else the phone is capable of.
In regards to black borders on youtube and netflix, since the phone is 18:9 it will definitely have them on netflix, since everything on there is pretty much all 16:9. Youtube has a mix now of multiple aspect ratios so it depends. I'm sure you could zoom in to crop it to 18:9 but I'd prefer the black borders over that personally. (maybe future phones could have ai that fills in the black with generated content? haha)

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I'm currently using an m7 and the speakers are definitely blown after all these years (almost 5). I have an ROG phone in transit right now, was supposed to be delivered today but the canada post stike is messing with all the couriers right now so fedex hasn't shipped it yet. probably tomorrow. almost for sure. I will definitely let you know how everything is when I get it though! plus I plan to root it and find mods and see what else the phone is capable of.
In regards to black borders on youtube and netflix, since the phone is 18:9 it will definitely have them on netflix, since everything on there is pretty much all 16:9. Youtube has a mix now of multiple aspect ratios so it depends. I'm sure you could zoom in to crop it to 18:9 but I'd prefer the black borders over that personally. (maybe future phones could have ai that fills in the black with generated content? haha)
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I remember TVs doing this and started to watch what I could of blizzcon 2018 where my friends TV was cutting alot of the screen off the picture off as menus where not right as per it's display from the laptop so made everyone wait will I fixed the TV. I agree I'm too use to 16:9 now and although I won't be selling my RazerPhone it will probably always be with me as a 2nd phone in my tech bag as you never know when it's needed plus being on a true unlimited data plan with not tethering limit its handy to just have spare if I need it or someone else needs it if traveling. I'll have to live with some bars as 18:9 is still new but did see this.
Any video letterboxing is moot as the actual size of the video doesn't change relative to a 16:9 screen, and actually the extended width can help for movies that are shot is a wider aspect.

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I remember TVs doing this and started to watch what I could of blizzcon 2018 where my friends TV was cutting alot of the screen off the picture off as menus where not right as per it's display from the laptop so made everyone wait will I fixed the TV. I agree I'm too use to 16:9 now and although I won't be selling my RazerPhone it will probably always be with me as a 2nd phone in my tech bag as you never know when it's needed plus being on a true unlimited data plan with not tethering limit its handy to just have spare if I need it or someone else needs it if traveling. I'll have to live with some bars as 18:9 is still new but did see this.
Any video letterboxing is moot as the actual size of the video doesn't change relative to a 16:9 screen, and actually the extended width can help for movies that are shot is a wider aspect.
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yea exactly, since the video resolution doesn't actually change its just best to live with the bars. you still have to do it when watching 4:3 content on a 16:9 anyway so its kinda like the same thing.

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yea exactly, since the video resolution doesn't actually change its just best to live with the bars. you still have to do it when watching 4:3 content on a 16:9 anyway so its kinda like the same thing.
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Yeah I am currently going through some old Star Trek on Netflix and completely forgot about the 4:3 bars. I will probably drop my pre order once I hear back from Asus regarding their 4G supported bands and if they match my Carriers bands. I don't want a phone which doesn't work on 4G. Plus there's and LTE issues with non partner/devices bought from manufacture direct that don't have their branded image on them may not work. trying to get ThreeUK and Asus to confirm i wont have an issue. Plus I know i have 15 days to return it with Asus but want them to advise if i have to pay p&p to return it if it doesn't do what I need.

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Yeah I am currently going through some old Star Trek on Netflix and completely forgot about the 4:3 bars. I will probably drop my pre order once I hear back from Asus regarding their 4G supported bands and if they match my Carriers bands. I don't want a phone which doesn't work on 4G. Plus there's and LTE issues with non partner/devices bought from manufacture direct that don't have their branded image on them may not work. trying to get ThreeUK and Asus to confirm i wont have an issue. Plus I know i have 15 days to return it with Asus but want them to advise if i have to pay p&p to return it if it doesn't do what I need.
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you can double check, I found that the rog supports 4 of 6 lte bands my carrier offers which means slightly restricted throughput/signal strength in certain areas of the city but still lte everywhere.
try googling your carrier + lte bands and see if you can't find some useful information. also google the bands that it does offer to see which ones are most important and you can use that to make a decision.

Rashad83 said:
Go for it, it's a great phone like the colored great sounding speakers, design symmetry which is rare to find now a days. There are a lot of pros going for this phone. I would say it's worth its price, could it have been better? sure!. But the same argument applies to every phone out there.
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Its a nightmare buying any phone these days with everything done online. I honestly wish that some reviews would actually test and use the devices a bit more rather than the same boring un boxing videos plastered up on YouTube and only a handful of them are actually technical. The ones that are any good are those who start to use the devices as a daily driver for a while.

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Its a nightmare buying any phone these days with everything done online. I honestly wish that some reviews would actually test and use the devices a bit more rather than the same boring un boxing videos plastered up on YouTube and only a handful of them are actually technical. The ones that are any good are those who start to use the devices as a daily driver for a while.
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Just got my phone, I'll test and report back after work. Still need to get a new sim though.
EDIT: so I've been playing around with the phone. I don't have a usb type c connector or a micro sim so theres only so much I've done with it so far but it is impressive. Also for some context, screen on max brightness, rgb logo on colour cycle, and 90hz refresh has used about 25% after 3hrs screen on time. That would have totally drained my old phone
also the wifi is fast on my 5ghz band, 9ms ping and maxed out dl and ul
I did the system update and it made the screen dimmer :/ hope I can fix that after rooting
If theres something specific you'd like to know about just ask

My camera is Not sharp. It looks Like autofocus doesnt work.