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I am unequivocally saying that after many many phones from the G1 and iphone to all the galaxy's , HTC one all the nexus phones and some nokia lumia's the MOTO X is the best phone I have ever had!
Size= awesome screen to phone size ratio
Screen= Those who complain are nitpicking it is totally indistinguishable from a 1080p without a magnifying glass
Hardware= great quality and build...GO USA
Software= Incredible blend of stock with motorolas great features, I use every single one from Moto Assist, touchless, Moto connect on chrome and especially the awesome Active notifications.
Ergonomics= Best in hand feeling of any phone I have ever had
Camera= My camera is actually pretty stellar I have posted some pics on here shots are crisp and clear. ( Also use the twist to launch quite frequently )
Microphones= easily the best and most clear sounds when on the phone. Speaker phone is really really good also
I have no desire to root and love this phone just the way it is!
Any questions just shoot!
Definitely an awesome phone. Camera is good (thanks to the update) but still not quite as good as the GS4 in my opinion, very close though! The only real thing that keeps it from being perfect for me is the non-unlockable bootloader and thus lack of roms/dev community. While rooting and Xposed Framework is nice (although no longer possible after the software update), I found that it lagged the phone a bit.Coming from a GNex, I'm also gonna miss constantly having the latest software. All that said, as a Verizon user who doesn't want to give up their service... I find this to be the best phone on their network.
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Definitely an awesome phone. Camera is good (thanks to the update) but still not quite as good as the GS4 in my opinion, very close though! The only real thing that keeps it from being perfect for me is the non-unlockable bootloader and thus lack of roms/dev community. While rooting and Xposed Framework is nice (although no longer possible after the software update), I found that it lagged the phone a bit.Coming from a GNex, I'm also gonna miss constantly having the latest software. All that said, as a Verizon user who doesn't want to give up their service... I find this to be the best phone on their network.
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thats the caveat for you freakin verizon. Luckily I do not have that issue
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Definitely an awesome phone. Camera is good (thanks to the update) but still not quite as good as the GS4 in my opinion, very close though! The only real thing that keeps it from being perfect for me is the non-unlockable bootloader and thus lack of roms/dev community. While rooting and Xposed Framework is nice (although no longer possible after the software update), I found that it lagged the phone a bit.Coming from a GNex, I'm also gonna miss constantly having the latest software. All that said, as a Verizon user who doesn't want to give up their service... I find this to be the best phone on their network.
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Bootloader is a non-issue for me- this phone definitely does not need a custom ROM. I really don't see how it can be improved at all. I use Xposed and at least on my phone, there is ZERO lag. Indistinguishable from bone stock. Even if we had an unlockable bootloader and 1000 ROMs to choose from, I wouldn't even consider flashing one. And I used to flash a new ROM every week on all my other phones. First phone I've ever had where I didn't want to flash.
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Bootloader is a non-issue for me- this phone definitely does not need a custom ROM. I really don't see how it can be improved at all. I use Xposed and at least on my phone, there is ZERO lag. Indistinguishable from bone stock. Even if we had an unlockable bootloader and 1000 ROMs to choose from, I wouldn't even consider flashing one. And I used to flash a new ROM every week on all my other phones. First phone I've ever had where I didn't want to flash.
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have to agree I haven't even added a messaging app because this phone works so impeccable out of the box!
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have to agree I haven't even added a messaging app because this phone works so impeccable out of the box!
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Yep, didn't I tell ya? Best out of box experience to date.
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Yep, didn't I tell ya? Best out of box experience to date.
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100% all the spec whores are clueless tis phone is the Pinnacle of android
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100% all the spec whores are clueless tis phone is the Pinnacle of android
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Agreed. I feel like this is what Google had in mind all along. This is Android the way it's supposed to be.
I have to agree. It feels premium refined and beer functional
I'm with you guys. This phone is so amazing as stock, I have had this phone for over a month now and I am still positively in love with it. I took the update without hesitation, knowing I would lose the ability to root. Every other phone I've had was rooted and completely reconfigured the day I bought it... I am now enjoying a completely different side of Android.
Everything from performance to stability, comfort to battery life is stellar.
I took my wife and kids to the Star Wars yesterday, the twist to launch camera feature was awesome! Couldn't use flash there and many of the photos came out great... I got more, good, photos than my wife did on her Nikon DSLR camera. I was very pleased at the cameras performance in low light levels.
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moto x is the first android phone i have no complaints about. better than my iphone 5 . just great
Agreed 100%
awesome phone
So happy I purchased this and not the nexus 5
Moto X, Bonobo concert, beautiful picture in low light. I am in love.
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Oh, and while everyone was fumbling with their phones unlocking the screen or looking for camera icon, I took it out of my pocket, turned it on with twist motion without moving my arm or taking my eyes off of the stage, and took 8 shots by holding the screen, and slid the phone back into my pocket like a bad ass. I only wish my orange chrome accent would glow in the dark. This is like the super spy phone.
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Very nice picture! I'm so happy with mine and I agree the camera is very good. I don't see why some are *****ing beside the fact that they just want too
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Very nice picture! I'm so happy with mine and I agree the camera is very good. I don't see why some are *****ing beside the fact that they just want too
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Compared to some phones, iPhone 5 and sgs4, this camera is kinda weak. That being said, I'll gladly take the trade off for easy and fast launch and quick photos that still look more than good enough for me.
I think some people just expect professional quality photos from their smart phones these days... Some phones do... But to the majority of us, this phone takes photos well enough.
And I agree, some people will ***** regardless... If it wasn't the camera it would be something else.
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So true
Camera is good enough, I spend about a couple minutes on all my photos and touch them up with snapseed. I don't mind and it's definitely worth the trade off for active notifications and touchless control. It's fun and easy to do and when the photo is done it gives it more personality. (Then a well focused sharp shot)
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Guys cant decide between the 2 and i am getting one of them tomorrow not sure which
Basically i care more about the camera i know sony has more megapixels but what is htc 4 ultra megapixel?
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I had an HTC one m7 before I switched to the z1. At first I loved it, very good build quality, water proof and of course the camera is amazing. But I found it to be very slow when taking pictures and the software is full of bloatware most people will never use. The Rom support isn't nearly that of the one (m7 or m8) and I dont really notice that big of a difference between the pictures taken on the z1 and the m8. (I now use the m8) unless your going to be blowing the pictures up the difference is negligible. And the speed in which the m8 takes pictures is probably 3 times faster and I found better low light results. The z2 uses the exact same camera setup as the z1 except for the 4k video. Which is only beneficial if your doing a lot of slow mo shots. Sony has the right idea, their on the right track but their not quite there yet. Maybe on the z3 or even z4 they might get it right. Sony's cybershot division is laughing at what the mobile division is doing with their sensors.. ie not even close to what the potential is. Long story short it's a great piece of hardware but the software has a long way to go. Htc on the other hand has a perfect balance of the two and in my opinion a far superior mobile device. But this is all subjective, my experience may greatly differ from someone else's. If your going into a store, play with them both and find which one caters to your needs the best. All the luck!
On a side note... Not all the z1 or z2 phones are able to have their boot loader unlocked. Some models are impossible to unlocked. If this is important to you, do the research and see which models are sold in your region. And again good luck on your decision.
Edit: I see your in Vancouver, if you get your Sony from a carrier the boot loader will never be able to be unlocked.
And your right wrong section.
I have the Z2 and the M8 right now. Just got the Z2 and its already about to get listed. Had my phone show no signal for the first time in years with the Z2 and tonight I had a conversation with the gf and she said it sounded horrible. She kept asking me to repeat myself and kept saying I cant hear you. I know we talk less and less on our phones but my phone still has to function well as a phone first. Looks like the M8 is going back into my pocket after a fling with the Z2 that has not gone well. My .02
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I had an HTC one m7 before I switched to the z1. At first I loved it, very good build quality, water proof and of course the camera is amazing. But I found it to be very slow when taking pictures and the software is full of bloatware most people will never use. The Rom support isn't nearly that of the one (m7 or m8) and I dont really notice that big of a difference between the pictures taken on the z1 and the m8. (I now use the m8) unless your going to be blowing the pictures up the difference is negligible. And the speed in which the m8 takes pictures is probably 3 times faster and I found better low light results. The z2 uses the exact same camera setup as the z1 except for the 4k video. Which is only beneficial if your doing a lot of slow mo shots. Sony has the right idea, their on the right track but their not quite there yet. Maybe on the z3 or even z4 they might get it right. Sony's cybershot division is laughing at what the mobile division is doing with their sensors.. ie not even close to what the potential is. Long story short it's a great piece of hardware but the software has a long way to go. Htc on the other hand has a perfect balance of the two and in my opinion a far superior mobile device. But this is all subjective, my experience may greatly differ from someone else's. If your going into a store, play with them both and find which one caters to your needs the best. All the luck!
On a side note... Not all the z1 or z2 phones are able to have their boot loader unlocked. Some models are impossible to unlocked. If this is important to you, do the research and see which models are sold in your region. And again good luck on your decision.
Edit: I see your in Vancouver, if you get your Sony from a carrier the boot loader will never be able to be unlocked.
And your right wrong section.
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i have buyer for both phone right now and no i wont be blowing it up just mainly use the camera on instagram thats it. So if bootloader cant be unlocked means no custom rom? right?
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I have the Z2 and the M8 right now. Just got the Z2 and its already about to get listed. Had my phone show no signal for the first time in years with the Z2 and tonight I had a conversation with the gf and she said it sounded horrible. She kept asking me to repeat myself and kept saying I cant hear you. I know we talk less and less on our phones but my phone still has to function well as a phone first. Looks like the M8 is going back into my pocket after a fling with the Z2 that has not gone well. My .02
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wow that sucks i just sold my s5 today. Reason i never had a htc in past 3 or 4 years cause of the battery life? hows the battery on m8? like screentime?
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wow that sucks i just sold my s5 today. Reason i never had a htc in past 3 or 4 years cause of the battery life? hows the battery on m8? like screentime?
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The M8 actually has pretty decent battery life considering its size. Its not as good as the Z2 but thats to be expected, the Z2 has a huge battery. Mine was getting goofy which led me to doing a factory reset and that seemed to help. Im not sure about my screentime right now as Im using the Z2, for now.
To be honest if you ask my opinion here's my life story. My first android phone was an Xperia x10 only had issues with this piece of *beep* than went to HTC with the Incredible S never any problem only started to out date and had to replace a speaker once (easy to do) than bought a Xperia z1 crappy build quality spontaneously screen cracked out of the blue... Sound problems decided to get it fixed... Screen got fixed and speakers as well... One week later scratches were all over the screen (yes I don't use a protection for it, but never did on my HTC Inc S and that hasn't a single scratch on it.) And again speakers start to create noise...
Now I got a HTC m8 and I got to tell you never was happier with a phone. Good build quality and still no scratch without glass protection do have prot for the back though. I went to my carrier store earlier in this week and held the x2 in my hand just to see it... I smiled and was happy I didn't took that one. Pretty sure same problems will accure with the screen. Don't like the build quality at all from it
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Hi guys (especially to z3+ users)! I would like to buy a Z series Xperia phone. So far (aside from the Z5), Z3+ is the only Z series that has a 5MP front camera (front cam is one of my criteria in choosing a phone). My other options are M5 and Z2 (but Z2's front camera is only 2MP..) I am also concerned with its overheating issue..is that really true or just a black propaganda? Is this phone worth the money?
By the way, if you will rate your satisfaction of Z3+ from 1 (LOWEST) to 10 (HIGHEST), what will be your score?
Thank you in advance for your opinions!
I suggest you wait until 5'1.1 update shows up. Because now most of us facing poor battery life and heat issue.
You know what, I compare my z3+ with my Z1
Most of the time Z1 open apps faster, despite it's three generations older.
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My z3+ does really have heat issue, and when it gets hot device run slower and start to lag.
I don't have heat problems and it runs smooth from the last update z3+. Yes it gets warm not hot. It's normal if it gets warm a little bit. So far i am satisfied.
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When u buy the phone or if you do it don't put anything in it. Update it first then do a factory reset and then put your app.
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Thank you for your opinions & tips! They're helpful I guess I'll just wait until November or December before I buy Z3+. By then, I hope the price will be less expensive. Z5 seems to be really awesome but I guess its price will be way out of my budget. Haha.
One word answer = Yes
By the way, if you will rate your satisfaction of Z3+ from 1 (LOWEST) to 10 (HIGHEST), what will be your score?
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By the way, if you will rate your satisfaction of Z3+ from 1 (LOWEST) to 10 (HIGHEST), what will be your score?
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4.75/5
0.25 for not having 5.1.1
If you have one of those devices which doesn't overheat so the answer would be yes. In the other hand, It's an expensive brick or toaster. My Z1 was a much better device even 2 years later. The battery last nothing, overheats a LOT (after updating to the latest version is working better but still) and the performance drops significantly. I'm about to returning it because I don't want to wait until Sony decides to give us a proper solution and I can barely use it (I tried all the possible software fixes). The problem is that I don't like other device (maybe Oneplus Two but it's too difficult to get).
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4.75/5
0.25 for not having 5.1.1
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Don't worry. Z3+ is a Z series Xperia. Sooner or later, it will get a software update. This phone is even included in the upcoming Marshmallow update
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If you have one of those devices which doesn't overheat so the answer would be yes. In the other hand, It's an expensive brick or toaster. My Z1 was a much better device even 2 years later. The battery last nothing, overheats a LOT (after updating to the latest version is working better but still) and the performance drops significantly. I'm about to returning it because I don't want to wait until Sony decides to give us a proper solution and I can barely use it (I tried all the possible software fixes). The problem is that I don't like other device (maybe Oneplus Two but it's too difficult to get).
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"When u buy the phone or if you do it don't put anything in it. Update it first then do a factory reset and then put your app. " - trumastanr1
Did you already do what "trumastanr1" suggested?
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"When u buy the phone or if you do it don't put anything in it. Update it first then do a factory reset and then put your app. " - trumastanr1
Did you already do what "trumastanr1" suggested?
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Not for all users works, before last update two factory resets give a usable (not ideal) Z3+, after last update, three repairs and two factory resets give an almost-non-usable device that gets so hot so easily.....
Much of this variation is due to usage difference, so also depends in what is yours....
In general I think my z3c has (a lot) better performance, but I also think some software updates will solve all major issues, still I have to say I'm a little disappointed with this phone...
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Not for all users works, before last update two factory resets give a usable (not ideal) Z3+, after last update, three repairs and two factory resets give an almost-non-usable device that gets so hot so easily.....
Much of this variation is due to usage difference, so also depends in what is yours....
In general I think my z3c has (a lot) better performance, but I also think some software updates will solve all major issues, still I have to say I'm a little disappointed with this phone...
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I see. I hope the future updates will solve its major issues.
Alright you know what caused mine to overheat even after update an app. Took it away now it's fixed.
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Hope for the new update
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Haven't noted much issues with overheating, but I've only played a bit of games here and there on it. Still waiting for a rooted firmware before I make it my daily driver.
I think it is. It's a great phone with one big flaw everyone keeps talking about, and that will probably be fixed at some point.
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Haven't noted much issues with overheating, but I've only played a bit of games here and there on it. Still waiting for a rooted firmware before I make it my daily driver.
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The phone does not need root It's performance is as good as rooted ones.
Uhhm at this point Im really disappointed with this device peformance..It gets really hot even tho after 251 update android 5.0.2...It really sucks If I would compare Z3 and Z3+. My Z3 is way faster..my z3+ are so damn slow...but the design of z3+ is so much better... This is my judge for now..I really hope that a new update is coming and some custom roms will hit online soon. Maybe I will skip this device and buy a Z5...lets see if the update will change my mind
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The phone does not need root It's performance is as good as rooted ones.
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I'm not sure if you've noticed but the process of unlocking the bootloader in order to root the phone removes the DRM keys and diminishes camera performance, amongst other things.
This has nothing to do with performance and everything to do with restoring app backups as helium doesn't work properly on the z3+.
So unless you can suggest a way to do that (as well as installing cerberus on the system partition, uninstalling sony bloatware, spoofing mac addresses for fun and profi etc) then I would make the argument that rooting is required, well at least for me anyway.
Yes I am aware of the pre-rooted kernel by devires, but I'm waiting for dl12345's publicly released solution before taking the plunge.
Am begging for an update that fix heat problem, if this is fixed I can say is totally worth.
In terms of satisfaction, for me it's 9/10 -- for things it can do for me that off-set the negative PR.
Mainly it loses a point because the native camera app cannot record video 'forever' - the native camera app shuts itself off saying the phone is too hot after about half an hour. However using Google Camera app for video I can record 1080P video basically forever.
But it justifies points with me for the following from the top of my head-
+ Stereo sound recorded with video (coming from iPhone this is MAJOR for me)
+ microSD expandable to 128GB
+ internal SSD is 32GB which is much better starting point
+ OTG capability
+ Waterproof* with capless USB port
+ No buttons on the front (no really, I love this)
+ Call quality sounds better than my old iPhone 6 Plus
+ Decent camera for stills and video
+ Sony take audio seriously, also nice to find a mild dynamic compression option for music
+ Battery stamina modes are useful compared to anything on iOS 8 (I guess same exists on iOS 9 now)
+ If I get a notification on my phone without dismissing it but catch up on my computer - the notification dismisses itself on the phone (unlike iOS where it would never sync like that)
+ 3GB RAM, FWIW this doesn't impress me but hey
+ 64bit so in theory should have some longevity (famous last words)
+ Cheaper eco-system than iOS, no more £17.99 sync cables (I swear my kids chew them or something)
+ Really easy to record the screen (which presumably could also record phone calls - interesting), can also record the screen whilst engaging the selfie camera PiP
Currently on 5.0.2, I do think update to 5.1.1 (or M) will make this phone even better based on how 5.1.1 performs on my Z2 (which was second-hand refurb gateway to my Z3+)
The Z3+ does get warm when it's working hard (Star Wars Uprising) but in general use I don't notice any thermal issues even if they do exist.
Out of all the smart phones I have owned since 2009, my experience with the Z2 has probably been the worst. On paper, the phone looks good. Nice big screen, good battery life, nice camera and water and dust proof to boot. In my mind, it beat all of the competitors at the time. The big problem I have found is the terrible software.
Sony seems to be clueless. Each new build introduced new bugs and didn't squash the old ones. Since Lollipop I have had issues with the screen not locking properly. The phone was constantly unlocking itself in my pocket and pocket dialling my contacts. I had to disable tap to unlock and this stopped that but still the phone wont always lock properly. I will have read a text say, close the application and lock the phone. The screen goes dark but a press of the button and it's unlocked again. No swipe of the screen. When you lock it, it should be locked. Typing out texts, sometimes it will freeze for a moment, then catch up with what I typed. I'm not fast at typing or anything. In fact I'm pretty rubbish lol.
The camera isn't great by any means. My old S3 was just as good and took better low light images. I don't think I will ever get a Sony again. It's a shame as my k700i was a great old phone.
Is it just me or does anyone else have issues with the Z2's dodgy software?
I am satisfied except camera performance.
@5nakedoc , i think it's just you...
I never had the phone unlock by itself, never had a pocket call and never disabled tap to unlock either...
Go to settings --> security --> automatically lock --> choose immediately and it should solve the problem of phone not locking right away when you press power button.
Lags? if you have lags the problem is on your side for sure, i have 55gb of stuff on my phone and i run my cpu at 1.5ghz max most of the time, no lags here.
I never used sony keyboard maybe it has bugs, i use swype in all my android phones, zero lag typing on my z2.
About camera...yeah auto mode sucks, manual mode is better, but camera fv-5 is what does the trick for me. Just try other camera apps...
I would hate to know what you think about the rest of the phone as you said the camera is one of your favourite features :/
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Build quality
Waterproofing
Noise Cancelling
Large friendly screen
Free Speaker!!!
Magnetic charging dock
Quality Sony case
Two stage camera button
Camera
AR app
Background Blur app
The banana dispenser
OK I lied about the last one.
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I don't think an awful lot of it. The software bugs are annoying. That post was just after I got it and before the worst of the bugs began to plague me. Plus the expensive case I bought from Sony direct, failed on two corners and is completely useless now. (Not dropped ever) I think I mentioned that the problems really only started when they updated to Lollipop.
I was unable to locate the setting mentioned above, perhaps you are not running the most recent software but it wasn't where you described or anywhere else that I looked within settings.
Lags may be down to the sheer number of texts I have from that contact. I suspect they number in the thousands. I might try a factory reset when I have an evening spare and see if this helps. I do feel a little sentimental about those texts though but they are backed up to google.
Nope i have not seen any single problm except battery
to me the performance is still a issues even in lollipop update , dont know whether it was android fault or not , i need to restart each 2 days since i can see framedrop which is pretty annoying . Kinda agree , the update also lower the loudness of the speaker , camerawise their superior auto is pretty bad hmm. and my screen sometimes become crazy i dont know before this i dont have this problem i have own z2 since june 2014 , and the problems appear like 2-3 months ago until now.
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The phone was constantly unlocking itself in my pocket and pocket dialling my contacts. I had to disable tap to unlock and this stopped that but still the phone wont always lock properly.
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How about you turn the phone screen away from your body when you place it in your pocket?
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muhammadnajmi96 said:
to me the performance is still a issues even in lollipop update , dont know whether it was android fault or not , i need to restart each 2 days since i can see framedrop which is pretty annoying . Kinda agree , the update also lower the loudness of the speaker , camerawise their superior auto is pretty bad hmm. and my screen sometimes become crazy i dont know before this i dont have this problem i have own z2 since june 2014 , and the problems appear like 2-3 months ago until now.
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Hi Najmi,I'm currently running version 5.1.1,i dont have encountered any issues with this version,I'd like to ask at what android version did you start to have these problems?Thank you
Maybe you should try asking for solutions to each of your problems. I don't like Lollipop either. Its been crap on all but nexus phones. Have you the S5? It became a bugs galore with Lollipop. Every non-nexus smartphone had the awake problem and extended power consumption.
I would advise you to go back to KK. Its bug-free.
About the camera, I tried indoor image comparison between both phones in auto-mode (I just got both phones and didnt get the time to properly compare the cameras) and the Z2 was clearly better indoors without lighting. Macros and close shots were also better on Z2. Later on I learnt about the Night Scene Mode in Manual mode. No phone could match Z2 at the time. There was a lot of noise but the pictures had more details than what was visible through the naked eyes. Nowadays phones with manual mode can shoot the same type of photos. But comparing the phones that came with Z2 it was the best.
Oh and I used to get 8 hours SoT in KK in 2 days without any root or such thing.
5nakedoc, I regret being in complete disagreement with you. For me, the Z2 has been one of my most appreciated phones. I bought it with Android 4.1.2 and have been updated since then until 4.4.4. I have not kept updating it more because I have a very useful app to my health insurance does not work with Lollipop.
Certainly, I recognize that the lock-release of Lollipop do not like as much as Kit Kat, but with a Xposed framework and modules in kit kat, I have a super performance, without any problem to lock-unlock, even removing the button emergency call and also the one of the camera.
The Stamina mode gives me an excellent performance during the day, coming to the end of the day with an average of 50-70% of battery, using whatsapp usually.
Also the wifi mode based on location works well, etc.
The camera fully satisfy me, and with an optical zoom could be the summum
What else can I want from a phone?
Perhaps you must keep in Kit kat and forget Lollipop experiences. I think there's most stable with old android versions.
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The camera isn't great by any means. My old S3 was just as good and took better low light images.
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You dont know to use camera for sure.Look at my pictures from Z2 on my flickr account and you will see how camera is really good.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/
The Sony Xperia™ Z2 is one awesome device. If it has cons, it would be the speakers, I guess. But that's all. I've been using it since June 2014 and NEVER got those same problems with you.
Get your phone checked instead of coming here and blabbing about how bad it is.
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Hi Najmi,I'm currently running version 5.1.1,i dont have encountered any issues with this version,I'd like to ask at what android version did you start to have these problems?Thank you
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Since Lollipop of course. Latest one also. Fresh install including formatting both internal and external storage. You should compared kitkat and lollipop. That's why I revert back to Kitkat which give me better battery life and louder speaker.
Totally disagree
5nakedoc said:
Out of all the smart phones I have owned since 2009, my experience with the Z2 has probably been the worst. On paper, the phone looks good. Nice big screen, good battery life, nice camera and water and dust proof to boot. In my mind, it beat all of the competitors at the time. The big problem I have found is the terrible software.
Sony seems to be clueless. Each new build introduced new bugs and didn't squash the old ones. Since Lollipop I have had issues with the screen not locking properly. The phone was constantly unlocking itself in my pocket and pocket dialling my contacts. I had to disable tap to unlock and this stopped that but still the phone wont always lock properly. I will have read a text say, close the application and lock the phone. The screen goes dark but a press of the button and it's unlocked again. No swipe of the screen. When you lock it, it should be locked. Typing out texts, sometimes it will freeze for a moment, then catch up with what I typed. I'm not fast at typing or anything. In fact I'm pretty rubbish lol.
The camera isn't great by any means. My old S3 was just as good and took better low light images. I don't think I will ever get a Sony again. It's a shame as my k700i was a great old phone.
Is it just me or does anyone else have issues with the Z2's dodgy software?
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The ONLY thing you have proven with your attitude is that old saying ...
"You can't please ALL the people ALL the time."
Aside from being a techie with over 35 years of computer and phone skills, I've been through dozens of smartphones from the original iPhone to my current Sony Z2. I've RARELY kept any of them for more than 6 months. I've jailbroken or rooted every single one of them (except a Sharp which nobody has been able to root).
IMHO, the Sony Z2 is THE BEST smartphone I've ever carried. I'm NOT saying it's perfect. None of them are perfect. However, having carried and compared Apple, HTC, Samsung, LG, Motorola and Sharp smartphones, I believe that the Sony Z2 has the BEST screen image quality, color accuracy and camera (excluding the Z5). The photos I've captured with my Z2 are so good, I no longer haul around my expensive Hasselblad equipment when I travel. I've blown up my Sony pics and turned them into life-size pieces of artwork. No other smartphone lets you turn it sideways and keep it charged in a magnetic $4 cradle. Very few smartphones since the original Nexus have the ability to program the notification light with different colors. It even feels like a quality device, not a plastic toy.
Sony has been one of the very few manufacturers that embraces developers like the ones on XDA,
instead of trying to stop us from rooting and customizing our phones.
I'm sorry that you don't have the abilities or desire to resolve your Z2 software dislikes.
I'm currently running Mx ROM V7.70 which has Android 5.1.1 plus lots of Z5 apps
and am not having ANY problems with it. Only complaint are 2 apps he adds which I uninstalled.
I'm so happy with my Z2, I'm even passing up the new Z5 (for now anyway) and may keep my Z2 for a second year.
Glenn
P.S. I also have a Sony Smartwatch 3 and am loving how Google keeps improving Android Wear.
Nexus 7 / Sony Z2 / Teclast X98 Air 3G / iPhone 2S
Yea the z2 is by far my favourite smart phone ever. It may have some minor issues here and there, but all in all, it really is a solid device. I've had it for a year and a half now, and I still don't see any devices that I could justify upgrading to (with the exception of the z3, z4, z5). Every other manufacturer would have some sort of drawback in some way. My z2 does everything I need plus more.
Bull Sh*t. Z2 is one of the best phones. If you compare it with Z3 I think design wise Z3 maybe good but other than that I think Z2 is an amazing device.
Display, Battery Life, Software, everything is perfect. Yes Lollipop actually made the phone to die fast. It's all because of the "Mobile Radio Active bug"
If you talk about Camera it all comes to personal experience. I agree it doesn't do well on Superior Auto mode but it does a great job if you tweak the manual mode and you need to know the stuff you're dealing with.
Then again I think Sony kinda ruined HDR mode but I am okay with it.
I can't use single phone for a good year, I upgrade fast, dude this phone I am using for 2 freaking years now. I am more than happy and I'm actually not pleased with any of the phones which was released this year(maybe because of SD810). @Authi it was released with 4.4.2 not 4.1.2
This phone is awesome are you kidding. My only issue is people are always asking what kind of fancy phone that is. Noone in the US even has any idea that Sony even makes phones even though they like the look of it. This is exactly why Sony is losing money because of no marketing presence.
mrsatan said:
This phone is awesome are you kidding. My only issue is people are always asking what kind of fancy phone that is. Noone in the US even has any idea that Sony even makes phones even though they like the look of it. This is exactly why Sony is losing money because of no marketing presence.
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Exactly. Anyone with an interest in phones that has seen my z2, loves it. Even people I know who don't have an interest, when they see all the pros of it, they still comment asking what kind of phone it is. I've said it from day one. Sony makes an incredible device, it's just that nobody knows about them (in North America at least).
5nakedoc said:
Out of all the smart phones I have owned since 2009, my experience with the Z2 has probably been the worst. On paper, the phone looks good. Nice big screen, good battery life, nice camera and water and dust proof to boot. In my mind, it beat all of the competitors at the time. The big problem I have found is the terrible software.
Sony seems to be clueless. Each new build introduced new bugs and didn't squash the old ones. Since Lollipop I have had issues with the screen not locking properly. The phone was constantly unlocking itself in my pocket and pocket dialling my contacts. I had to disable tap to unlock and this stopped that but still the phone wont always lock properly. I will have read a text say, close the application and lock the phone. The screen goes dark but a press of the button and it's unlocked again. No swipe of the screen. When you lock it, it should be locked. Typing out texts, sometimes it will freeze for a moment, then catch up with what I typed. I'm not fast at typing or anything. In fact I'm pretty rubbish lol.
The camera isn't great by any means. My old S3 was just as good and took better low light images. I don't think I will ever get a Sony again. It's a shame as my k700i was a great old phone.
Is it just me or does anyone else have issues with the Z2's dodgy software?
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I have owned a Galaxy S3 before my XPERIA Z2 (and before the Galaxy S3 I owned the x10i). The Samsung phone (not a fanboy of Sony here) was my worst phone EVER. It was faster than my XPERIA x10i, yeah, but I can't relate to anything you say. My XPERIA has NEVER unlocked out of nothing, even with tap to unlock (I know this feature can cause automatic unlocks in your pockets for example). My camera is much and much better than the Galaxy S3. Battery life is also much better. My S3 couldn't hold out a full day, my XPERIA can reach up to 2 days. Freezing? Well it never freezed here only by a faulty third party app.
And you're saying the phone is full of new bugs each update? Which bugs? I haven't seen any major bugs, only on that crappy slow Galaxy, which was freezing all the time because of the heavy Touchwiz software that was running. Okay, I'm exaggerating with all the time, but you know how frustrating it is since your XPERIA has been freezing too. But I haven't experienced one of the problems you describe, my girlfriend owns the XPERIA Z2 too, and she hasn't experienced it too.
I think the source of the problems is you and not the phone and the software that is pre-installed on the phone. Don't take this as a personal attack, because it isn't one.
Cheers.
As a Moto X (1st gen) owner, I really hate these big phones on sale nowadays.
Even the Nexus 5 is way too big in my opinion.
Everything I have seen/heard about the Sony Z5 Compact makes me want to get this phone.
BUT: with no speedy software updates from Sony, and lacking ROM development support in the XDA community, I will never get this phone.
Dev support on the Moto X was already lacking and I will never buy another Motorola phone because of the terrible software support from that company.
When will these manufacturers learn?
Give us unlocked bootloaders, support devs, and provide QUICK software updates to the latest version of Android.
Otherwise, you go on my sh!# list and I will not buy your phones!
As much as I hate Apple, they get that part right!
Sorry that you won't get it because you can't put a custom ROM on it. I can say though, it's better than most phones when comparing just stock. Biggest problems would be ads for me.
But you can still root, install xposed, etc. Just have to unlock the bootloader (which Sony makes it easy to do). There's also a way to get your* DRMs back so the camera doesn't suffer all that much.
*not really your DRMs. just a copy of someone else's or something.
And what was the exact reason for posting you are not buying this phone, in this phones forum?
langeveld024 said:
And what was the exact reason for posting you are not buying this phone, in this phones forum?
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its called attention whoring because nobody gets better from thing like this.
Development will most likely pick up after someone figures out a way to backup the DRM keys.
Phone with "updates and ROM support" vs Small Size
Pick one.
But development isn't that bad at all.
You only have the Z5C at the moment...
In my opinion,
Pros: the only Compact flagship (2015/2016). Excellent battery life (with 720p resolution) specially when gaming.
Contras: the camera photo quality (compared to non-sony phones), slow updates (compared to aosp phones like Nexus/Motorola), DRM is lost when unlocked which is ridiculous.
If I were you I would try to update your X to a custom rom with Marshmallow (I did this with my GF's Moto G 1st gen). She's enjoying Marshmallow while I'm stuck in Laglipop with a Sony auto brightness bug that wash all the colors after unlocking the display (will be fixed by Sony in Android 6)
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thesebastian said:
DRM is lost when unlocked which is ridiculous.
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DRM patch has been out for a week
in my opinion, even with the recent solution available for DRM keys, ROM development will be small.
I don't think the Z5 line has sold that much (snapdragon 810 might be a cause), and probably it will never gain the interest that the Z3 line has. In addition, only in February Sony would start selling the Z5 line (unlocked ) in the US: without fingerprint sensor(!!), too late, too pricey to be sold in volumes that would bring american developers' contribution on xda.
Altough,this is just my personal thoughts.
(apart from that z5c is a good phone)
Samesame.
First and last device im buying from Sony, and not only becaue of their inability to put their horrendous DRM on a separate chip instead of in the regular storage.
It reboots frequently with a flashing red LED, their own software comes with ads, yes, ads in a device that you paid for, the volume rocker is getting sloppy after 3 months and Sony claiming it to be "normal usage" and wont replace it etc.
Nope, not again. Anyone who wants to buy it?
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DRM patch has been out for a week
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Yes but that patch is nothing guaranteed in a future....
Sony should leave the users unlock/lock the bootloader without affecting any phone usage. (Like Motorola do).
I don't care too much about unlocking the bootloader, because AOSP roms that Sony release, have a more (or totally) useless camera firmware and many others things. So Stock ROM is the most stable ROM in the Z5...
If Sony released an official AOSP (extra) firmware 100% stable with quality but without Sony features (like Smartapps, Xperia themes, Camera from lockscreen set to Sony camera, and Jap apps like "Everyday" "Film" "pain", yes the phone is still full of hidden bull****, etc) all would be better.
But for the people who want to root and modify system apps, free unlock of the BL without affecting the phone is a complete deal breaker.
lack of updates? i think sony is one of the rare companies that release so many patches to fix all sorts of things. Since i own the z5c i had like 3-4 updates already and soon marshmallow.
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Yes but that patch is nothing guaranteed in a future....
Sony should leave the users unlock/lock the bootloader without affecting any phone usage. (Like Motorola do).
I don't care too much about unlocking the bootloader, because AOSP roms that Sony release, have a more (or totally) useless camera firmware and many others things. So Stock ROM is the most stable ROM in the Z5...
If Sony released an official AOSP (extra) firmware 100% stable with quality but without Sony features (like Smartapps, Xperia themes, Camera from lockscreen set to Sony camera, and Jap apps like "Everyday" "Film" "pain", yes the phone is still full of hidden bull****, etc) all would be better.
But for the people who want to root and modify system apps, free unlock of the BL without affecting the phone is a complete deal breaker.
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You can disable bloatware in settings>apps
Also, I didn't have any Japanese apps installed on mine so I think it has to do with your region customization.
Feel free to install any other region customization using flashtool
langeveld024 said:
You can disable bloatware in settings>apps
Also, I didn't have any Japanese apps installed on mine so I think it has to do with your region customization.
Feel free to install any other region customization using flashtool
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Not all apps can be disabled though, "Whats new" for example, which is constantly bugging me about updating other bloatware.
And yes, Im aware that you can disable notifications, but should we really have to..?
And (as I said in another topic recently), it's not all about apps in /system. Sometimes you just need aosp stuff like be able to define "default" camera for the lock screen shortcut. etc.
BTW, I hate that "smart apps" app that can't be disabled, only hidden.
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Not all apps can be disabled though, "Whats new" for example, which is constantly bugging me about updating other bloatware.
And yes, Im aware that you can disable notifications, but should we really have to..?
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Well, I don't consider what's new as bloatware since it gives updates for some (to me) important system apps. Though, I disabled notifications too.
I just think it would be better if android phones all had the CM superuser toggle in dev settings by default. So the ones who need root (us) could turn on root when needed and users who are not aware of it (like my grandmother) can't turn it on accidentally.
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Well, I don't consider what's new as bloatware since it gives updates for some (to me) important system apps. Though, I disabled notifications too.
I just think it would be better if android phones all had the CM superuser toggle in dev settings by default. So the ones who need root (us) could turn on root when needed and users who are not aware of it (like my grandmother) can't turn it on accidentally.
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Thing is, we already have a perfectly fine app for updating other apps, Play Store. Sony are even using it for certain apps, so I really dont get why they would need a second app.
Unless theyre bundling malware which is automatically discovered via play store *tinfoilhat on*
After a few months, the Z5 is a BIG dissapointment for me too. Coming from a Note 3 and a OnePlus One, both running a custom ROM based on CM (Temasek's builds), I'm used to see the most annoyings bugs and issues get squashed very rapidly (thanks to nightlies).
With the Z5, running stock firmware, I've learned that bugs and issues will persist for months (since October in certain cases) without a proper fix. Since I got the Z5, the phone received I think 3 or 4 updates. In all cases, all these updates did: more bloat and Sony apps I don't want and need, and had to uninstall.
Bluetooth issues? Still there. Auto-brightness? Still broken. Battery life? Still sub-par and very poor compared to my OnePlus One. UI lag and stuttering? Still exist.
No doubt the Z5 is a great phone (hardware), but the software (firmware) is so plagued with bugs and issues that Sony doesn't seem to judge important enough to fix that, honestly, I'm now considering selling that phone to get something better that actually receives REAL updates and bugfixes. As a first time Xperia owner, the impression it leaves me is that Sony seems very amateurish when it comes to providing a solid firmware that does justice to the very good phones, hardware-wise, they produce... And I've learned yesterday that Samsung (yeah that Samsung that is known for taking forever to update its phones...) is now faster than Sony to update their flagships! Shame
All I hope now it that Marshmallow (if they release it someday...) will be a more decent firmware than Lollipop is, so I can keep that phone one more year without having to replace it. My next phone WON'T be an Xperia though. I never do the same mistake twice
Good for you guys if you're happy with your Z5 (I'm sincerely glad for you), but I'm not. Mine is plagued with problems I've never encountered with any other Android phones I've owned before, even those running nightlies CM12 ROMs. And I still can't figure out why my much slower OnePlus One (Snapdragon 801 Vs 810) felt more snappy and gave me a better Android experience in general (more stable, better UI fluidity, better battery life, less bugs and annoyances, etc.)
By the way, another BIG dissapointement for me: That DRM bull**** that causes the phone to lose functionalities if you ever decide to unlock/root it. Seriously Sony? Why would you prevent me from enjoying better camera processing algorythms, X-Reality and stuff like that just because I need to unlock my bootloader to get root? That's moronic and an ass move.
Think twice guys before getting a Z5, Z5C or Z5P... I thought it looked great too on paper, but in the end that phone is FAR from perfect. It feels more like a "work in progress" to me than a phone I can rely on in my day to day usage, and I'm not blaming the hardware. Sony has A LOT of work to do with its software though. That phone deserves a better firmware.
Same reason why Apple and Samsung do not update their software and/or make it so it slows down previous generation phones... To sell the next big thing. Only difference is Sony is catching up with Apple as far as locking stuff up so people cant fix the bugs. This is the problem with nexus sales, nexus 5 is still amazing because it gives developers the ability to do whatever they want to improve it, but on the other hand it hurt the sales of nexus 6, because most people didn't have the reason to pay that much. Now they have 5x and people don't have the reason to buy 6p unless they are a fan and got the means.
Its all about the mainstream sales, no one gives a **** about high end users like you and I OP, we are a mere 10% of the market and that I think is a generous assumption. All about that paper. Best way you can give the finger to Sony is not buy the phone, yapping about it here only causes devs to steer clear from it and kind of makes you, the OP a part of the problem.
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I might have been a little harsh with my language, so let me also mention that I don't disagree with OP and was merely providing the reason, which is the sales of future product.. I am actually currently looking on amazon to see if I can return mine, though I love the phone, ads and bloatware and the lack of root to be able to remove them without a proper DRM solution (nah I aint risking it for marshmallow) sucks balls, aside that I like Xperia UI and camera stuff very much. I would buy it again in a heartbeat when I see development, but I cant risk the return window.
Phazonclash said:
After a few months, the Z5 is a BIG dissapointment for me too. Coming from a Note 3 and a OnePlus One, both running a custom ROM based on CM (Temasek's builds), I'm used to see the most annoyings bugs and issues get squashed very rapidly (thanks to nightlies).
With the Z5, running stock firmware, I've learned that bugs and issues will persist for months (since October in certain cases) without a proper fix. Since I got the Z5, the phone received I think 3 or 4 updates. In all cases, all these updates did: more bloat and Sony apps I don't want and need, and had to uninstall.
Bluetooth issues? Still there. Auto-brightness? Still broken. Battery life? Still sub-par and very poor compared to my OnePlus One. UI lag and stuttering? Still exist.
No doubt the Z5 is a great phone (hardware), but the software (firmware) is so plagued with bugs and issues that Sony doesn't seem to judge important enough to fix that, honestly, I'm now considering selling that phone to get something better that actually receives REAL updates and bugfixes. As a first time Xperia owner, the impression it leaves me is that Sony seems very amateurish when it comes to providing a solid firmware that does justice to the very good phones, hardware-wise, they produce... And I've learned yesterday that Samsung (yeah that Samsung that is known for taking forever to update its phones...) is now faster than Sony to update their flagships! Shame
All I hope now it that Marshmallow (if they release it someday...) will be a more decent firmware than Lollipop is, so I can keep that phone one more year without having to replace it. My next phone WON'T be an Xperia though. I never do the same mistake twice
Good for you guys if you're happy with your Z5 (I'm sincerely glad for you), but I'm not. Mine is plagued with problems I've never encountered with any other Android phones I've owned before, even those running nightlies CM12 ROMs. And I still can't figure out why my much slower OnePlus One (Snapdragon 801 Vs 810) felt more snappy and gave me a better Android experience in general (more stable, better UI fluidity, better battery life, less bugs and annoyances, etc.)
By the way, another BIG dissapointement for me: That DRM bull**** that causes the phone to lose functionalities if you ever decide to unlock/root it. Seriously Sony? Why would you prevent me from enjoying better camera processing algorythms, X-Reality and stuff like that just because I need to unlock my bootloader to get root? That's moronic and an ass move.
Think twice guys before getting a Z5, Z5C or Z5P... I thought it looked great too on paper, but in the end that phone is FAR from perfect. It feels more like a "work in progress" to me than a phone I can rely on in my day to day usage, and I'm not blaming the hardware. Sony has A LOT of work to do with its software though. That phone deserves a better firmware.
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I totally agree with almost all your points. The battery is the one I don't agree. I'm really happy with the battery life. Specially when playing Hearthstone at 720p.
But. Add to your list the fact that I don't like the Sony camera (firmware or whatever). I used to get much better photo quality with my Nexus 5 with HDR+.
I used that phone as a main camera for a lot of trips and a lot of closeups. Now I'll have a trip in 1 month and if Marshmallow firmware doesn't improve the camera photo quality (seriously 2MP capture more details than 8MP and this one more than 20MP on this phone) I think I'll have to get an alternative camera.
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